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Reply #240 posted 07/02/20 8:21am

JAYJOE

When do people expect the next song to be released and which do you think it may be?

he might have better luck if he was drummin with his Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #241 posted 07/02/20 9:07am

radicalrojo

JAYJOE said:

When do people expect the next song to be released and which do you think it may be?

If I recall correctly, they released three singles ahead of the 1999 SDE ("International Lover [Take 1]", "Don't Let Him Fool Ya," and "1999 [live]"). So, they'll probably do something similar, spread out over the course of the months.

As for what the next song could be, I'd guess something like "Forever In My Life (Early Vocals)" or the first version of "Strange Relationship. Or they could choose a live recording, like "Sign O' The Times" or maybe "If I Was Your Girlfriend".

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Reply #242 posted 07/02/20 9:17am

Farfunknugin

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I'll bet it's off the live set to showcase the breadth of the release.
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Reply #243 posted 07/02/20 9:34am

spookEElectric

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Reply #244 posted 07/02/20 9:50am

udo

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spookEElectric said:

Bit weird how there’s loads of Parade outtakes included. A Wonderful Day was included on UTCM - it defiantly shouldn’t be part of this package. It makes you wonder how much thought has actually been put into this compilation and whether the people in charge have the right level of knowledge.

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How dare you doubt the expertise of Michael Howe and assorted people coordinating this project!

/sarc

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So I'm glad you noticed.

I hoee we can find some heir address info in the judicial papers to inform them of these issues impairing their pocket...

Other address info for Howe, WR or others is also welcome.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #245 posted 07/02/20 10:32am

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Farfunknugin said:

I'll bet it's off the live set to showcase the breadth of the release.

Possibly. But, don’t you think with the 7” singles set dropping in August...and being it has both versions of “Witness” on it...they’d release that second version as the next single to coincide with that release?
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Reply #246 posted 07/02/20 10:35am

ThirdStrike

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udo said:



spookEElectric said:


Bit weird how there’s loads of Parade outtakes included. A Wonderful Day was included on UTCM - it defiantly shouldn’t be part of this package. It makes you wonder how much thought has actually been put into this compilation and whether the people in charge have the right level of knowledge.

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How dare you doubt the expertise of Michael Howe and assorted people coordinating this project!


/sarc


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So I'm glad you noticed.


I hoee we can find some heir address info in the judicial papers to inform them of these issues impairing their pocket...


Other address info for Howe, WR or others is also welcome.



Wait...first, people complained about the packaging not fitting on a shelf. And now, were complaining about songs being included where they shouldn’t be instead of being excited about getting to hear them in pristine quality?? Talk about an heir of entitlement...😒
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Reply #247 posted 07/02/20 10:38am

Romeoblu

udo said:



spookEElectric said:


Bit weird how there’s loads of Parade outtakes included. A Wonderful Day was included on UTCM - it defiantly shouldn’t be part of this package. It makes you wonder how much thought has actually been put into this compilation and whether the people in charge have the right level of knowledge.

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How dare you doubt the expertise of Michael Howe and assorted people coordinating this project!


/sarc


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So I'm glad you noticed.


I hoee we can find some heir address info in the judicial papers to inform them of these issues impairing their pocket...


Other address info for Howe, WR or others is also welcome.




Wonderful Day could really go on either set. They explained that they wanted to include the Dream Factory and Crystal Ball tracks. I think it's inclusion is justified. If it had been omitted I would have also understood.

The big problem song is All My Dreams. That belongs on both for sure
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Reply #248 posted 07/02/20 10:42am

Strive

We are in the era of streaming services. People can put together their own playlists. There's really no reason to include the same song on two releases unless it is different in some way.

Plenty of content to still be included on Parade Deluxe.

[Edited 7/2/20 10:43am]

Free the music, fire Michael Howe

"When you deny people the option to not pick a side, you may not like the side they'll pick."
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Reply #249 posted 07/02/20 11:17am

JAYJOE

ThirdStrike said:

Farfunknugin said:
I'll bet it's off the live set to showcase the breadth of the release.
Possibly. But, don’t you think with the 7” singles set dropping in August...and being it has both versions of “Witness” on it...they’d release that second version as the next single to coincide with that release?

That's what I thought also, which I hope does happen as it's the best version to me!

he might have better luck if he was drummin with his Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #250 posted 07/02/20 11:20am

JorisE73

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So with Crucial, are we getting the original take or the saxophone version?


I once heard there was version with no sax and no guitar, maybe we'll get that.
But see, this is what I don't understand, Crucial was also released then why put this version on there and not the Dream Factory version of Crystal Ball?!
Howe's excuse that it was already released and we can now make our own Camille, Dream Factory and Crystal Ball sequences is just bullshit.

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Reply #251 posted 07/02/20 11:26am

JorisE73

Vannormal said:

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We're not paying for 8 CD's or 13 LP + DVD alone,

but also a 120 pages book that goes with it,

including notes by ;

- Dave Chapelle & photographer Matthew Bitton

- Lenny Kravitz

- Susan Rogers

- Daphne A. Brooks

- William R. Kenan Jr. (professor of African American & American,Women's Gender & Sexuality Studies - Yale Univ.)

- Andrea Swensson

- Duane Tudahl

- unseen photos by Jeff Katz

- Prince handwritten lyrics

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honestly, the only interesting things in there for me are Susan Rogers bit, Jeff Katz photos and Prince's handwritten lyrics, the rest just seems filler to warrant a 120 page book.
I don;t see a need for some piece by William R. Kenan Jr. (professor of African American & American,Women's Gender & Sexuality Studies - Yale Univ.) maybe Lenny has some insight (wasn't he one of the Coco(a) boys?)

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Reply #252 posted 07/02/20 11:26am

JorisE73

eyewishuheaven said:

"Here, dude! Have a million in cash!"

"Won't fit nicely on my shelf!" lol

lol lol
Put it in a CD case (absolutely NO digipack tho) that would make him happy.

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Reply #253 posted 07/02/20 12:02pm

Vannormal

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olb99 said:

ForceofNature said:

The "ultra compressed remaster" came from Prince and Josh Welton before he even died


Josh Welton died?!? When? How?











Ok, that wasn't funny. I'll have a coffee, now.

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ROTFLOL

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Reply #254 posted 07/02/20 12:30pm

Strive

JorisE73 said:

Strive said:

So with Crucial, are we getting the original take or the saxophone version?


I once heard there was version with no sax and no guitar, maybe we'll get that.
But see, this is what I don't understand, Crucial was also released then why put this version on there and not the Dream Factory version of Crystal Ball?!
Howe's excuse that it was already released and we can now make our own Camille, Dream Factory and Crystal Ball sequences is just bullshit.


I don't agree with them but it seems like they are yielding the songs included on Crystal Ball to Sony. So we're getting a different version of Crucial (whether it's the saxophone version or an earlier version we don't know about) and the 7 inch mix of Crystal Ball while songs that were included in their final form on Crystal Ball are being left off.

Anthology: 1995-2010 had Dream Factory.

Free the music, fire Michael Howe

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Reply #255 posted 07/02/20 1:18pm

FrankieCoco1

Matt Everitt’s interview with Michael Howe (well part of it) was on today’s Shaun Keaveny’s BBC 6 Music show in the UK (at about the 1 hour 44 minute mark on the link below).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/pro...s/m000khwj (log in required to listen again)

Nothing new really, may be some people won’t know about how Prince wrote the lyrics to Sign O’ The Times, after waking up in LA during an earthquake and being inspired to write it from things written in the LA Times.
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Reply #256 posted 07/02/20 1:21pm

thedoorkeeper

I gotta say I like those songs with "Frankenstein" mixes - particularly RoadHouse Garden.
They work for me.
Guess ignorance IS bliss.
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Reply #257 posted 07/02/20 1:32pm

funkaholic1972

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Ramzoo said:

Kares said:

The SOTT SDE CD box is €113.- on amazon.it at the moment, if anyone is looking for a good deal...

Indeed.

https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/deal/this-weeks-box-set-and-reissue-deals-90/#more-159579

Thanks, minutes before reading this I had ordered the box for €154. Quickly cancelled that order and ordered it from the Italian site now. Never made €40 so fast and easy!

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
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Reply #258 posted 07/02/20 2:59pm

parker

Strive said:

JorisE73 said:


I once heard there was version with no sax and no guitar, maybe we'll get that.
But see, this is what I don't understand, Crucial was also released then why put this version on there and not the Dream Factory version of Crystal Ball?!
Howe's excuse that it was already released and we can now make our own Camille, Dream Factory and Crystal Ball sequences is just bullshit.


I don't agree with them but it seems like they are yielding the songs included on Crystal Ball to Sony. So we're getting a different version of Crucial (whether it's the saxophone version or an earlier version we don't know about) and the 7 inch mix of Crystal Ball while songs that were included in their final form on Crystal Ball are being left off.

Anthology: 1995-2010 had Dream Factory.

There's no mention of them not releasing those because of Sony. They could have included Feel U Up, but didn't becasue as Howe mentioned, the master for that recording is already released. I think they're including Crucial because it's longer, and different enough from what was released by Prince. Everything else on Crystal Ball are very slight variations. It's true, you can't make an exact copy of those unreleased albums, but the time and place to release those album specific tracks, are on releases of those actual albums, hopefully at some point after SOTT SDE is sold out, and OOP.

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Reply #259 posted 07/02/20 5:19pm

JudasSmile

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Kares said:

The SOTT SDE CD box is €113.- on amazon.it at the moment, if anyone is looking for a good deal...


I just pre-ordered it, thanks for posting about it. ~£103 is a great price.

U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took.
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Reply #260 posted 07/02/20 5:37pm

Ramzoo

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funkaholic1972 said:



Ramzoo said:




Kares said:


The SOTT SDE CD box is €113.- on amazon.it at the moment, if anyone is looking for a good deal...



Indeed.



https://www.superdeluxeedition.com/deal/this-weeks-box-set-and-reissue-deals-90/#more-159579



Thanks, minutes before reading this I had ordered the box for €154. Quickly cancelled that order and ordered it from the Italian site now. Never made €40 so fast and easy!


You owe me a commission.
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Reply #261 posted 07/02/20 6:54pm

dsimp8

lust said:

dsimp8 said:

I really wanted the full size book after buying the Cds. I contacted Paisley Park via email and asked about getting a full sized book. They said they couldn't sell me one but that I was not the only person to contact them about it and to be assured that feedback was being provided to decsion makers. Looks like they were right !

So, basically it’s your fault that Udo is having a meltdown over shelves! lol

Yep...that's on me I guess !!!

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Reply #262 posted 07/02/20 8:15pm

LoveGalore

JorisE73 said:

Strive said:

So with Crucial, are we getting the original take or the saxophone version?


I once heard there was version with no sax and no guitar, maybe we'll get that.
But see, this is what I don't understand, Crucial was also released then why put this version on there and not the Dream Factory version of Crystal Ball?!
Howe's excuse that it was already released and we can now make our own Camille, Dream Factory and Crystal Ball sequences is just bullshit.

Probably cuz Prince only saw fit to release a snippet of Crucial whereas Crystal Ball was the definitive mix.

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Reply #263 posted 07/02/20 9:16pm

andrewm7

One part of the Sign o the Times experience that is missing from the box is an aftershow recording with Madhouse. The complete "New Morning" club recording or the set at "the Fine Line" would certainly would certainly make for a nice record store day surprise biggrin

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Reply #264 posted 07/02/20 9:25pm

udo

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andrewm7 said:

One part of the Sign o the Times experience that is missing from the box is an aftershow recording with Madhouse. The complete "New Morning" club recording or the set at "the Fine Line" would certainly would certainly make for a nice record store day surprise biggrin

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yeahthat

Madhouse is missing in action...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #265 posted 07/02/20 10:46pm

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andrewm7 said:

One part of the Sign o the Times experience that is missing from the box is an aftershow recording with Madhouse. The complete "New Morning" club recording or the set at "the Fine Line" would certainly would certainly make for a nice record store day surprise biggrin

Yes, that´s a great idea. However, what I miss the most in this set , and it is my only complaint, is that we won´t get a full SOTT concert on DVD. I mean so far we have video of almost every show at least as a bootleg video, or even an official release, except for the SOTT tour. Most bootleg footage that I´ve seen from that is in poor or mediocre quality. I understand that there are copyright and quality issues but still, the set just feels incomplete to me without a full SOTT show. The concert movie is great, and the NYE show at Paisley is pretty good, too, but still.....it would´ve been nice to have a DVD of the proper SOTT show.

Then again, I guess if there was decent quality live material from that tour then Prince wouldn´t have had to reshoot most of the SOTT movie at Paisley Park.

" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #266 posted 07/03/20 12:17am

andrewm7

KoolEaze said:

still.....it would´ve been nice to have a DVD of the proper SOTT show.

Then again, I guess if there was decent quality live material from that tour then Prince wouldn´t have had to reshoot most of the SOTT movie at Paisley Park.

^ That raises another interesting point smile We know that a big chunk of well lit film was shot at the Chanhassen Dinner Theartre for pickups and closeups without an audience. I wonder if there was a complete run through of the set? Even if it were only a few songs it would make a cool extra and might not be "copyright owned" as part and parcel of the SOTT film. smile

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Reply #267 posted 07/03/20 12:59am

KoolEaze

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andrewm7 said:

KoolEaze said:

still.....it would´ve been nice to have a DVD of the proper SOTT show.

Then again, I guess if there was decent quality live material from that tour then Prince wouldn´t have had to reshoot most of the SOTT movie at Paisley Park.

^ That raises another interesting point smile We know that a big chunk of well lit film was shot at the Chanhassen Dinner Theartre for pickups and closeups without an audience. I wonder if there was a complete run through of the set? Even if it were only a few songs it would make a cool extra and might not be "copyright owned" as part and parcel of the SOTT film. smile

Oops, my bad. I thought it was filmed at Paisley. wink Been a long time since the last time I read the credits.

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Reply #268 posted 07/03/20 1:01am

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I really don't under stand why some of you completely fail to understand the basics.

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1. According to Michael Howe just about anything connected to the movie is unavailable due to the rights being a massive clusterfuck. That apparently includes the audio recordings of any of the three dates used in the movie, so it seems they tried to get the rights to use one of them as the source for the live recordings on SOTT SDE, otherwise why would he even know. Which means that the recording we're getting might not be up to the best technical standards.

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2. The movie does not contain any significant footage filmed in Rotterdam or Antwerp. 90/95% of the movie is phony footage filmed at PP or elsewhere (i.e. the UGTL video).

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3. Despite the claims of some I very much doubt the footage filmed in Europe was good enough. The few bits of it stand out in the Blu-ray, as they have heavy grain.

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4. The lack of quality WRT the movie footage is completely irrelevant when it comes to VIDEO footage of other SOTT tour dates. It is entirely possible that one or more dates were filmed professionally with multiple VIDEO cameras (not talking about consumer hardware, talking about PRO hardware). However, no such footage has ever leaked and there are AFAIK no (contemporary) reports of such footage being shot at any of the dates. (Then again, that 1999 concert video was a complete surprise as well, IIRC.) I don't think those shows used video screens, so no video filmed for those exists. Our best hope of "genuine" concert footage is the kind of video made for Prince's post-show review, which is most likely done by having a single camera at the mixing desk. But if that exists and if there is a tape with such footage in the vault, who knows what state it is in and whether this is even watchable for non-hardcore fans.

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The real frustating bit is of course that whatever footage etc. there is of those final three shows that were taped for the movie, it is apparently off-limits to anyone. Because the recent German Blu-ray made it painfully clear that all they had access to was the movie and the handful of promo photos they used. Which means that whatever else is in the vault from those three dates will likely remain unseen unless some rich benefactor turns up to untangle the rights mess (i.e. pays the right amount to the right people).

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Reply #269 posted 07/03/20 1:40am

Vannormal

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dsimp8 said:

lust said:

dsimp8 said: So, basically it’s your fault that Udo is having a meltdown over shelves! lol

Yep...that's on me I guess !!!

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"Poor Poor Lonely Udo"

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