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Reply #420 posted 06/09/20 3:49am

VaultCurator

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SquirrelMeat said:

If they went with Utrect from the 21st June for the audio, they could theretically fit it onto one CD, as the show was shorter due to the heavy rain.

I can't see them using Utrect for the DVD as they shows were outdoor and SET looked poor in daylight. Plus the weather was lousy for the first three days of that run.

I don't remember seeing any signiifcant camera set up at any of the Utrect shows. Nothing to the degree of pro set up for the Rotterdam and Antwerp shows.



I'm not too familiar with the live shows. I've just checked a clip of the VOD. 1999 and Kiss were also in the live set. We're they both played regularly on the Sign tour? Were they played at Utrect. I'd check myself but I'm travelling atm.
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Reply #421 posted 06/09/20 4:03am

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VaultCurator said:

SquirrelMeat said:

If they went with Utrect from the 21st June for the audio, they could theretically fit it onto one CD, as the show was shorter due to the heavy rain.

I can't see them using Utrect for the DVD as they shows were outdoor and SET looked poor in daylight. Plus the weather was lousy for the first three days of that run.

I don't remember seeing any signiifcant camera set up at any of the Utrect shows. Nothing to the degree of pro set up for the Rotterdam and Antwerp shows.

I'm not too familiar with the live shows. I've just checked a clip of the VOD. 1999 and Kiss were also in the live set. We're they both played regularly on the Sign tour? Were they played at Utrect. I'd check myself but I'm travelling atm.



The rain was terrible on the 21st. The hits medley was played, but 'Forever in My Life' was dropped, bring the show in at under 85 minutes. But the performance was fantastic.

Personally, I'd be more than happy for this, IF it meant a extra disc could be used for other unreleased material. That said, it wouldn't be the definitive tour set list. but it could be argued nothing will top the movie anyway.

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Reply #422 posted 06/09/20 4:04am

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Wow, these deluxe compilations - esp this latest one if confirmed - are a big hot mess. I'm going to do my own 'album' edits of vault stuff based on the 'prince vault' material put on lUbe tube. That's U as in You smile

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Reply #423 posted 06/09/20 4:08am

Apollo85

Gotta have Cosmic Day on there. Come on Estate.

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Reply #424 posted 06/09/20 4:11am

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SquirrelMeat said:

The rain was terrible on the 21st. The hits medley was played, but 'Forever in My Life' was dropped, bring the show in at under 85 minutes. But the performance was fantastic.


Personally, I'd be more than happy for this, IF it meant a extra disc could be used for other unreleased material. That said, it wouldn't be the definitive tour set list. but it could be argued nothing will top the movie anyway.

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It'd be a shame though if Forever In My Life is missing on this set. It was a highlight of the Utrecht shows. This may just be my memory making things better than they were, but I think the flashing lighters on the beat started in Utrecht. Prince made sure to get the band members from backstage to have a look at it. It doesn't come across as well in the movie (which was giant missed opportunity imo, overdubbing the audio and lipsynching and to add insult to injury those vignettes inbetween that take any momentum out of the thing) but it was magical.

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Reply #425 posted 06/09/20 4:21am

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LoveGalore said:

Well at least we know the estate draws the line at rape, but calling a girl a "retard" is worth charging money for.

You think those are on par, do you?
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Reply #426 posted 06/09/20 4:46am

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Assuming the list for the moment in true, then this release would allow us to compile every configuration of 'Dream Factory', using all previously released tracks. With one exception. The guitar interlude known as 'Wendy'.

However, 'Wendy' is 1:01 in length. Which is exactly the same length as the track 'Colors' in this new track listing. hmmm

If 'Colors' is 'Wendy', then it could be a deliberate attempt to navigate this difficult time for 'eras' by putting everything out that was fitted together at some point. It would also explain why 'All My Dreams' would be included here, rather than in it's Parade recorded time period.

Of course, it begs the question about doing the same for 'Crystal Ball', but with some tracks yet to be declared, if we get Rebirth Of The Flesh, then we can complete a form of 'Crystal Ball' as well.

Sure there will be some who want the segue links, alarm clock removals ect and maybe those could be used in Record Day type releases, but essentially, this package would allow is to complete all configurations of Dream Factory, Camille and Crystal Ball in a single shot, plus have additional vault material.

Maybe it's not so random after all.

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Reply #427 posted 06/09/20 4:50am

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TwiliteKid said:

LoveGalore said:
Well at least we know the estate draws the line at rape, but calling a girl a "retard" is worth charging money for.
You think those are on par, do you?


Well eggplant is emoji for a dick. So you never know what Wendy had in mind

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Reply #428 posted 06/09/20 5:03am

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SOOOO EXCITED by this news!!! Hopefully the banjo version of U Got The Look shows up!

"I like to watch."
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Reply #429 posted 06/09/20 5:05am

tab32792

I clearly saw it says Four with Sheila E solo. So....that’s the 20th. Not the 21st. What are you talking about?


SquirrelMeat said:



VaultCurator said:


SquirrelMeat said:

If they went with Utrect from the 21st June for the audio, they could theretically fit it onto one CD, as the show was shorter due to the heavy rain.

I can't see them using Utrect for the DVD as they shows were outdoor and SET looked poor in daylight. Plus the weather was lousy for the first three days of that run.

I don't remember seeing any signiifcant camera set up at any of the Utrect shows. Nothing to the degree of pro set up for the Rotterdam and Antwerp shows.



I'm not too familiar with the live shows. I've just checked a clip of the VOD. 1999 and Kiss were also in the live set. We're they both played regularly on the Sign tour? Were they played at Utrect. I'd check myself but I'm travelling atm.



The rain was terrible on the 21st. The hits medley was played, but 'Forever in My Life' was dropped, bring the show in at under 85 minutes. But the performance was fantastic.

Personally, I'd be more than happy for this, IF it meant a extra disc could be used for other unreleased material. That said, it wouldn't be the definitive tour set list. but it could be argued nothing will top the movie anyway.

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Reply #430 posted 06/09/20 5:09am

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And there’s way too many tracks from pre 86 so it makes no sense. Once again, they’re throwing shit on here that don’t fit & once again, the Revolution will be interviewed ad nauseam saying this was their album even though outside of strange relationship & it’s gonna be a beautiful night, the released album is 90% solo material
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Reply #431 posted 06/09/20 5:18am

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tab32792 said:

I clearly saw it says Four with Sheila E solo. So....that’s the 20th. Not the 21st. What are you talking about? SquirrelMeat said:



The rain was terrible on the 21st. The hits medley was played, but 'Forever in My Life' was dropped, bring the show in at under 85 minutes. But the performance was fantastic.

Personally, I'd be more than happy for this, IF it meant a extra disc could be used for other unreleased material. That said, it wouldn't be the definitive tour set list. but it could be argued nothing will top the movie anyway.



2 different things. I'm just saying that if they used the 21st, they could theoretically fit it on one disc, freeing up space for other material. I don't think they will. I'll happly take the 20th. I'd always like official releases of gigs I attended. Personally, I thought the 19th was the best of the Utrect run.

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Reply #432 posted 06/09/20 5:21am

tab32792

Ohhhh ok. Maybe they’ll go with a Rotterdam show? Who knows. Long as we get an actual concert from the tour I’m happy.


SquirrelMeat said:



tab32792 said:


I clearly saw it says Four with Sheila E solo. So....that’s the 20th. Not the 21st. What are you talking about? SquirrelMeat said:




The rain was terrible on the 21st. The hits medley was played, but 'Forever in My Life' was dropped, bring the show in at under 85 minutes. But the performance was fantastic.

Personally, I'd be more than happy for this, IF it meant a extra disc could be used for other unreleased material. That said, it wouldn't be the definitive tour set list. but it could be argued nothing will top the movie anyway.






2 different things. I'm just saying that if they used the 21st, they could theoretically fit it on one disc, freeing up space for other material. I don't think they will. I'll happly take the 20th. I'd always like official releases of gigs I attended. Personally, I thought the 19th was the best of the Utrect run.

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Reply #433 posted 06/09/20 5:22am

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SOOOO EXCITED by this news!!! Hopefully the banjo version of U Got The Look shows up!

eek A banjo version of U Got The Look exists?!

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Reply #434 posted 06/09/20 5:26am

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tab32792 said:

Ohhhh ok. Maybe they’ll go with a Rotterdam show? Who knows. Long as we get an actual concert from the tour I’m happy. SquirrelMeat said:



2 different things. I'm just saying that if they used the 21st, they could theoretically fit it on one disc, freeing up space for other material. I don't think they will. I'll happly take the 20th. I'd always like official releases of gigs I attended. Personally, I thought the 19th was the best of the Utrect run.



The Rotterdam or Antwerp shows would make a lot of sense as they had the full production set up in preperation for the movie recording. This was hastily arranged after the rain issues in Utrect and the decision to cancel the outdoor shows in the UK the same week.

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Reply #435 posted 06/09/20 5:42am

LoveGalore

I'm shocked Train is on here and not Originals 2. I like that they aren't just giving us the version of bootlegs we already have (Crucial, Big Tall Wall, etc). Some of the choices seem a bit much - don't need 3 versions of APIH, a Crystal Ball and Wonderful Day single mix?, And I'm glad we can finally hear Promise 2 B True and Blanche. Very surprised to not see Rebirth, Cosmic, or Wally. Those seem like no brainers. If M Howe thought the fans would hate not having Colleen, what makes him think it isn't an oversight to not have Data Bank/Girl/Can't/Funk suite or the preciously mentioned songs...
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Reply #436 posted 06/09/20 5:48am

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tab32792 said:

And there’s way too many tracks from pre 86 so it makes no sense. Once again, they’re throwing shit on here that don’t fit & once again, the Revolution will be interviewed ad nauseam saying this was their album even though outside of strange relationship & it’s gonna be a beautiful night, the released album is 90% solo material


Those songs were slated for what became Sign o the Times so it makes sense.
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Reply #437 posted 06/09/20 5:53am

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Just please include a show on the DVD that we can't find on Youtube. the New Years show at Paisley is great but we have all seen it. The reheasal show at First Ave is great but we have seen it. Oddly I have never found any of the SOTT shows in Europe online. Parade yes, Lovesexy yes, but strangly no SOTT shows. Why???

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Reply #438 posted 06/09/20 5:57am

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If this list is complete, I’m extremely disappointed
There could have been more on it
I don’t need 3 versions of apih
Or two versions of Big Tall Wall
As much as I love Wonderful Day, it should be on a parade deluxe not sott
No Rebirth is a CRIME
No Joy alt intro is a CRIME
Along with Cosmic Day, Wally, Flesh tracks etc
Guess my faith in Howe and crew is gone after the wonderful 1999 deluxe
minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam
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Reply #439 posted 06/09/20 6:10am

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LoveGalore said:

tab32792 said:
And there’s way too many tracks from pre 86 so it makes no sense. Once again, they’re throwing shit on here that don’t fit & once again, the Revolution will be interviewed ad nauseam saying this was their album even though outside of strange relationship & it’s gonna be a beautiful night, the released album is 90% solo material
Those songs were slated for what became Sign o the Times so it makes sense.


Except Prince wrote 500 songs for the project. That is according to Q magazine in their greatest albums ever feature. Totally plausible since P could have written, recorded 500 songs in 1986. He was esp prolific around this time, sometimes recording 2 songs in a day and not touring much.

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Reply #440 posted 06/09/20 6:12am

LoveGalore

revolution75 said:

If this list is complete, I’m extremely disappointed
There could have been more on it
I don’t need 3 versions of apih
Or two versions of Big Tall Wall
As much as I love Wonderful Day, it should be on a parade deluxe not sott
No Rebirth is a CRIME
No Joy alt intro is a CRIME
Along with Cosmic Day, Wally, Flesh tracks etc
Guess my faith in Howe and crew is gone after the wonderful 1999 deluxe


I think it is fair to include songs here that were intended for Dream Factory or Crystal Ball and Wonderful Day was present on at least one version of DF (though why do we need a 7" mix of a lame song anyway).

I feel a lot less intrigued and excited for this one than I did 1999 SDE which felt like it had so much to show us.
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Reply #441 posted 06/09/20 6:17am

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LoveGalore said:

revolution75 said:

If this list is complete, I’m extremely disappointed
There could have been more on it
I don’t need 3 versions of apih
Or two versions of Big Tall Wall
As much as I love Wonderful Day, it should be on a parade deluxe not sott
No Rebirth is a CRIME
No Joy alt intro is a CRIME
Along with Cosmic Day, Wally, Flesh tracks etc
Guess my faith in Howe and crew is gone after the wonderful 1999 deluxe


I think it is fair to include songs here that were intended for Dream Factory or Crystal Ball and Wonderful Day was present on at least one version of DF (though why do we need a 7" mix of a lame song anyway).

I feel a lot less intrigued and excited for this one than I did 1999 SDE which felt like it had so much to show us.



Exactly! I felt like 1999 was a step in the right direction.
For a lot of us, SOTT is our fav album
To omit songs like Rebirth is just disrespectful
Especially when we know that these songs exist and were intended for Crystal Ball or DF
minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam
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Reply #442 posted 06/09/20 6:17am

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Apollo85 said:

sulls said:

SOOOO EXCITED by this news!!! Hopefully the banjo version of U Got The Look shows up!

eek A banjo version of U Got The Look exists?!

Version where he and Sheila talk about playing a banjo

"I like to watch."
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Reply #443 posted 06/09/20 6:21am

LoveGalore

revolution75 said:

LoveGalore said:



I think it is fair to include songs here that were intended for Dream Factory or Crystal Ball and Wonderful Day was present on at least one version of DF (though why do we need a 7" mix of a lame song anyway).

I feel a lot less intrigued and excited for this one than I did 1999 SDE which felt like it had so much to show us.



Exactly! I felt like 1999 was a step in the right direction.
For a lot of us, SOTT is our fav album
To omit songs like Rebirth is just disrespectful
Especially when we know that these songs exist and were intended for Crystal Ball or DF


I have to believe that Rebirth is one of the omitted songs so far. Right? That has to be the case - they wouldn't hold that song back. That would make zero sense, it was such a prominent song for the era. Hell he was rehearsing the song with the band and aspects made it into the live show so surely it's there.

Interesting we don't see 101 or Come Home. At the very least I'll be interested in hearing what the methodology behind this compilation was.

I don't mean to sound ungrateful - lotta cool shit on here I really can't wait to hear. But also the most puzzling questions as to why certain things are missing.
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Reply #444 posted 06/09/20 6:28am

mediumdry

Interesting how people think that what leaked, which has a lot of missing track numbers, is the definitive list and complain. Personally, it seems like this set will be great, with quite a few tracks I haven't heard and finally good quality versions of some I have. (next to stuff we already have good quality versions of)

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it seems the goal is to release all the tracks from Dream Factory, Crystal Ball, Camille and Sign of the Times, which is the right approach afaic. And it adds some more goodies, including possibly a concert from The Netherlands I attended. Add a dvd of a Sign Of The Times show, which has never properly been released to this day (unlike most of his other tours of those years), it's an exciting looking set. Can't wait for the full reveal!

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Reply #445 posted 06/09/20 6:30am

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Rebirth is such a blatant omission that I'm confident it's one of the not-shown tracks thus far.

Now I wish I could have the same confidence for the other essentials like Cosmic Day, Wally, Coco Boys, Witness 4 The Prosecution (October 86')

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Reply #446 posted 06/09/20 6:31am

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mediumdry said:

Interesting how people think that what leaked, which has a lot of missing track numbers, is the definitive list and complain. Personally, it seems like this set will be great, with quite a few tracks I haven't heard and finally good quality versions of some I have. (next to stuff we already have good quality versions of)

.

it seems the goal is to release all the tracks from Dream Factory, Crystal Ball, Camille and Sign of the Times, which is the right approach afaic. And it adds some more goodies, including possibly a concert from The Netherlands I attended. Add a dvd of a Sign Of The Times show, which has never properly been released to this day (unlike most of his other tours of those years), it's an exciting looking set. Can't wait for the full reveal!

Exactly. Let's wait for the final official tracklist before we start getting too worked up.

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Reply #447 posted 06/09/20 6:35am

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LoveGalore said:

tab32792 said: Those songs were slated for what became Sign o the Times so it makes sense.


Except Prince wrote 500 songs for the project. That is according to Q magazine in their greatest albums ever feature. Totally plausible since P could have written, recorded 500 songs in 1986. He was esp prolific around this time, sometimes recording 2 songs in a day and not touring much.

Magazines like Q just print 'legend' stories. They don't exactly strive for Duane Tudahl levels of research. Prince was recording constantly, I think it's unlikely you could list 500 songs and say they were all definitely for SOTT.

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Reply #448 posted 06/09/20 6:51am

LoveGalore

mediumdry said:

Interesting how people think that what leaked, which has a lot of missing track numbers, is the definitive list and complain. Personally, it seems like this set will be great, with quite a few tracks I haven't heard and finally good quality versions of some I have. (next to stuff we already have good quality versions of)


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it seems the goal is to release all the tracks from Dream Factory, Crystal Ball, Camille and Sign of the Times, which is the right approach afaic. And it adds some more goodies, including possibly a concert from The Netherlands I attended. Add a dvd of a Sign Of The Times show, which has never properly been released to this day (unlike most of his other tours of those years), it's an exciting looking set. Can't wait for the full reveal!


Asking prince fans to not get worked up is like asking water to not be wet.
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Reply #449 posted 06/09/20 6:55am

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If this list is complete

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How many fucking times do we need to say IT IS NOT.

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The list I posted contains the track numbers as shown by Questlove. Now, can you count to 100? Can you spot the missing ones?

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Sheesh.

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