What happened to that other huge thread? There was some productive and quality discussion on here - I get not wanting leaks to be shared however why not just delete those specific leak-requesting posts? Anyways, I guess I am stoked for this release nonetheless, I don't even care about downloading the leak as I have purchased my boxset and want to explerience the music with the booklets in my hands.

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ForceofNature said:

What happened to that other huge thread? There was some productive and quality discussion on here - I get not wanting leaks to be shared however why not just delete those specific leak-requesting posts? Anyways, I guess I am stoked for this release nonetheless, I don't even care about downloading the leak as I have purchased my boxset and want to explerience the music with the booklets in my hands.

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It got too long.

FunkyStrange said:

Jesus what the hell has happened to this place..

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Give power to people...

New interview with Michael Howe:

https://www.ilikeyouroldstuff.com/news/interview-prince-archivist-michael-howe-on-prince-vault

“I would say the vast majority of The Vault is not officially released,” Howe says. “It’s difficult to quantify, but there is a lot more unreleased material than there is released material - I can tell you that much. As well as Prince music in The Vault, there are sessions with an array of other artists and players whose work intersected with Prince’s work. I can think of one collaboration with an artist in The Vault no one even knows about.

New music aside, I am so STOKED to hear the bootlegged tracks in perfect studio quality, particularly Possessed! COME ON 11/29!!!

Can anyone help on this. Who has the writing credits on Do Yourself a Favour? AFAIK it's a straight up cover & NOT a Prince composition? ..& befor Bart jumps on me I ain't got time to google!

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Can anyone help on this. Who has the writing credits on Do Yourself a Favour? AFAIK it's a straight up cover & NOT a Prince composition? ..& befor Bart jumps on me I ain't got time to google!

The fear of Bart got the better of me !!

https://www.princevault.c...lf_A_Favor

Performer: Prince / 94 EastFirst Released: 30 June 1992 - Minneapolis Genius - featuring Prince album re-issue (If You see Me)Album(s): Minneapolis Genius - Featuring Prince (If You see Me)Symbolic Beginning (If You see Me)The Legends Collection (If You see Me)94 East Featuring Prince (If You see Me)One Man Jam (If You see Me)If You Feel Like Dancin' (If You see Me)The Cookhouse Five (If You see Me)1999 DeluxeWriter(s): Pepé WillieProducer(s): Pepé Willie and Tony Silvester

yello1 said:

New interview with Michael Howe:

https://www.ilikeyouroldstuff.com/news/interview-prince-archivist-michael-howe-on-prince-vault

“I would say the vast majority of The Vault is not officially released,” Howe says. “It’s difficult to quantify, but there is a lot more unreleased material than there is released material - I can tell you that much. As well as Prince music in The Vault, there are sessions with an array of other artists and players whose work intersected with Prince’s work. I can think of one collaboration with an artist in The Vault no one even knows about.

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This is obvious if we're talking about all recordings (incl. concerts, rehearsals, soundchecks, etc.)

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If we're talking about studio outtakes only, then this is not so obvious. So Michael Howe might be saying something interesting, here. I'm not sure.

yello1 said:

Jon Bream writes about the birth of the 1999 album, with a little help by Bobby Z, brilliant as always:

http://www.startribune.com/how-1999-made-prince-a-star-this-album-was-the-turning-point/565432932/

yello1 said:

New interview with Michael Howe:

https://www.ilikeyouroldstuff.com/news/interview-prince-archivist-michael-howe-on-prince-vault

“Even though those two tracks are resolutely of the era, both tracks contain somewhat lamentable rape references. Given the egregiously insensitive candour of the lyrics and our lack of wanting to take creative license by editing or manipulating the tracks, we decided not to include them. Even though we want to shed light on the entire creative period, we certainly don’t want to be inflammatory or insensitive. We didn’t think it was right to include them.”

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I am grateful they chose that path vs. editing por manipulating. I haven't compared note for note with the mixdowns we had on boots, but my impression is that the outtakes here are free of any of the manipulations that upset some of us on past releases.

I guess the subtext here is "in some years, when the Meetoo hysteria has calmed down and our society has grown past this moral crusade, we will hopefully be able to reconsider and release the tracks as they are".

AvocadosMax said:

Michael Howe, do the right thing and release these two tracks ASAP. Just a one-off download.

Releasing a "one-off" download exclusively featuring songs with "lamentable" rape lyrics seems like the worst possible way to approach this, in terms of avoiding negative attention.

I'm glad Howe commented on the glaring omissions of Extraloveable and Lust U Always. We all suspected the reason why, and now it's confirmed. I don't think stand-alone releases for just these songs would be smart at this point, but maybe in the future they can surprise us with them, like the I Feel For You demo.

Perhaps at some point, they will fulfill Prince's wishes and release the best unreleased stuff in a "time capsule" format for all of us to hear, and they can include those tracks.

AvocadosMax said:

Dandroppedadime said:

So what about “I sincerely wanna fuck the taste outta your mouth”? Prince was a sexual lyricist full stop. Double standards and in not releasing them they have actually ‘edited’ Prince!

At least mutual consent is kind of implied within that song, whereas it's not in the unreleased tracks.... because rape, by definition, lacks consent. Even Prince himself knew he pushed the envelope too far with those lyrics, hence their exclusion from any releases.

There are arguments that can be made about why they should be released anyway for the sake of posterity, but I get why they want to avoid the potential controversy and bad press at the moment. If it prevents some Prince fans from feeling uneasy or reliving bad memories, then at least some good came out of this.

databank said:

yello1 said:

New interview with Michael Howe:

https://www.ilikeyouroldstuff.com/news/interview-prince-archivist-michael-howe-on-prince-vault

“Even though those two tracks are resolutely of the era, both tracks contain somewhat lamentable rape references. Given the egregiously insensitive candour of the lyrics and our lack of wanting to take creative license by editing or manipulating the tracks, we decided not to include them. Even though we want to shed light on the entire creative period, we certainly don’t want to be inflammatory or insensitive. We didn’t think it was right to include them.”

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I am grateful they chose that path vs. editing por manipulating. I haven't compared note for note with the mixdowns we had on boots, but my impression is that the outtakes here are free of any of the manipulations that upset some of us on past releases.

I guess the subtext here is "in some years, when the Meetoo hysteria has calmed down and our society has grown past this moral crusade, we will hopefully be able to reconsider and release the tracks as they are".

Like a half Batman/Joker hybrid I am off two minds about this.

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1. Let's not let the lyrics overshadow and become THE negative focal point of this glorious new release. We finally have a box set of the caliber we have been wanting, let's not have anything spoil it...

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2. They should move out of the way and let the art speak for itself. That's what Prince would have done.*

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*Or would he? He often censored his own material, or completely reworked/released songs to navigate new roads in space and time..

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Let me ask you all this: Would you rather these songs with the word rape edited out, or not released at all?

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would target or any other outlet put out the deluxe set thansgiving night?,,cause i might just go there after 6pm

"12 must-hear tunes unearthed from Prince's vault for '1999' reissue": http://www.startribune.co...565432942/

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Here's the track that Bream mentions as possibly having inspired "Yah, You Know": https://www.youtube.com/w...sM_rBhRcpI

skywalker said:

databank said:

“Even though those two tracks are resolutely of the era, both tracks contain somewhat lamentable rape references. Given the egregiously insensitive candour of the lyrics and our lack of wanting to take creative license by editing or manipulating the tracks, we decided not to include them. Even though we want to shed light on the entire creative period, we certainly don’t want to be inflammatory or insensitive. We didn’t think it was right to include them.”

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I am grateful they chose that path vs. editing por manipulating. I haven't compared note for note with the mixdowns we had on boots, but my impression is that the outtakes here are free of any of the manipulations that upset some of us on past releases.

I guess the subtext here is "in some years, when the Meetoo hysteria has calmed down and our society has grown past this moral crusade, we will hopefully be able to reconsider and release the tracks as they are".

Like a half Batman/Joker hybrid I am off two minds about this.

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1. Let's not let the lyrics overshadow and become THE negative focal point of this glorious new release. We finally have a box set of the caliber we have been wanting, let's not have anything spoil it...

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2. They should move out of the way and let the art speak for itself. That's what Prince would have done.*

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*Or would he? He often censored his own material, or completely reworked/released songs to navigate new roads in space and time..

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Let me ask you all this: Would you rather these songs with the word rape edited out, or not released at all?

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I'm surprised they didn't just fade the tracks out before Prince gets to the monologues. Both songs run a little long anyway, you could play 3/4 of what exists and still have a classic pop song.

https://variety.com/2019/...203415514/

BartVanHemelen said:

"12 must-hear tunes unearthed from Prince's vault for '1999' reissue": http://www.startribune.co...565432942/

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Here's the track that Bream mentions as possibly having inspired "Yah, You Know": https://www.youtube.com/w...sM_rBhRcpI

Interesting, I can hear the similarities but it's hardly the most original riff or rhythm and my theory is that Yah, You Know is his first attempt at adapting Freeze Frame by J Geils Band, which eventually culminated in Lets Go Crazy.

It must have hurt him that a band from Minnesota who are a generation (at least) older than him, and who were also supporting the Rolling Stones at the gig he was getting boo-d off stage, were having big hits at the time. In reaction he made a song making fun of white Minnesotans as a laugh, but also as the first step towards adapting and incorporating what they were doing in order to have hit singles.

Just a theory. I mean, it was recorded six months after the gig so it might not be the case at all.

Interview with Bobby Z. in French: http://muziq.fr/prince-no...e-bobby-z/

Regarding Extraloveable. Wasnt it recorded after the sessions because he states "Hey Dez, do you like my band?" etc. in a tease for Dez leaving the fold. Dez left after the 1999 tour. So why would they include it on a 1999 re-release?

rdhull said:

Regarding Extraloveable. Wasnt it recorded after the sessions because he states "Hey Dez, do you like my band?" etc. in a tease for Dez leaving the fold. Dez left after the 1999 tour. So why would they include it on a 1999 re-release?

Originally tracking 1982, some 1983 overdubs.

I think the songs with the word rape in it should be included, I understand why they aren't but they're making the wrong choices here. He already chose not to release them, it's just archaelogy at this point, and he already sang about putting him in prison for thought crime in Electric Chair.


Also Wonderful Ass 1983 version should be on here, because it blows the other version out of the water imho.

dustoff said:

AvocadosMax said:

Michael Howe, do the right thing and release these two tracks ASAP. Just a one-off download.

Releasing a "one-off" download exclusively featuring songs with "lamentable" rape lyrics seems like the worst possible way to approach this, in terms of avoiding negative attention.

Do the one-off download and dogear all profits from the download to benefit a local women's shelter in the Minneapolis area. Win-win.

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