jfenster said:

my issue is with all the games kirk did to avoid dealing with anything

And Meron, Phaedra, etc. But they have to live with themselves and evidently it isn't bothering them.

We all want the "sexy" story, things like he was murdered or he was given phony meds that got him hooked and then he just OD'd on them. I never hear anyone first of all blame the man himself. Prince despite "pain" and we still dont know that degree of pain, he could have JUST got hooked after surgery and then kept spirialing out of control. Like Owen said "Death by YES" Prince surrounded himself with people that couldnt tell him shit, I dont care how close KIRK was, he was a stooge and did the bidding of the man cutting the checks. I am sure that many times Kirk said "NO" but Prince said " I am ok, just get me this" could there have been more health issues, sure, I in fact think something was breaking his body down, but PRINCE was not a person who could just stop, not play, not do shows, and when he found an answer to PAIN he didnt care what the cost was, despite being SMART and anti drug that has nothing to do with this, getting hooked on pain meds is a bit different than PRINCE dealing and smoking crack, so we need to seperate and stop saying the word DRUGS, Prince died from a medication overdose and an addiction to medication that was given to him to deal with pain, stop this died from a "DRUG OVERDOSE" because that is why these medications get a pass as does the medical industry for just not knowing what they are doing. I do not doubt Prince was spirialing out of control, the plane was the warning and it also showed his addiction problem, that he literally took enough of it and was most likely on it during that nights show, so being the private man he was, and lonely, yes PRINCE was fucking lonely stop saying shit like he had people in his life, yeah no fucking shit he had people in his life, but there was a reason he is dead, he had no one around him that could stop him, Kirk was a joke, Judith Hill was clueless, and he had long since pushed others out of his life, Morris Hayes was his closest musician friend and he was out of the picture for years he said. Numerous people who saw him the last year all say "they saw it" or he looked in bad shape, thats not a shock, looking at photos of him now in that last year, he looked terrible, yes hes thin, the fro made him looking thinner or weird, but his eyes were dead, numb, cold. Prince knew that because of who he was, and the way he was in life, he had no way out, the private man was now either going to have to go public with an addiction or he was going to have to figure this out himself, sadly due to his privacy and fear and loneliness he is dead.

Genesia said:

Right on schedule...the loons have arrived and this thread has degenerated to horse shit.

rogifan said:

TurnItUp said:

When I heard about that I thought, when is someone or whoever more people that's involved gonna be arrested for selling to Prince. Fans can of Mac Miller can care about him. I care about Prince and it's sad that nobody's been held accountable even if he did take part in his demise. This has been the best comments on this board about this matter, instead of that "murder" shit! Finally people talking some sense.

Well IF we are supposed to believe it's as simple as Prince was a long time pill addict and illegally got some bad pills that killed him then the only person to be held accountable is dead. The dead person is the one who sought out pills via illegal means and ingested them. Of course as I've said previously no one who offers these simple explanations ever seems to have one for why he was popping pills in the first place.

I believe he was just taking them to maintain his pain. I believe he was terminally ill and that was the only way he could deal with it. I don't believe Prince was an addict.

Thebigpill said:

Genesia said:

Right on schedule...the loons have arrived and this thread has degenerated to horse shit.

iamafan said:

Oh my gosh- this is hilarious. Threads should be locked because they aren’t the truth? I never stated my theory as truth. I stated Sheila texted Kirk (true). That Meron and Kirk’s stories didn’t match (true). Then I speculated cause I don’t believe any of them. I’m not struggling to accept his death. I’ve read the reports just fine. I was just conversing. This is the oddest forum I’ve ever been a part of. Nobody knows the absolute truth. So I guess all posts should be locked. (Unless it correlates with your “truth”.) So funny.

PennyPurple said:

Just remember this for all those who want to speak/have something to say in this thread: if you end up in an argument and fight with someone, that is when the thread will be shut down. Avoid fighting and arguing with others. Best to ignore those who are trying to set you off, people know what they are doing and know what will happen

lastdecember said:

We all want the "sexy" story, things like he was murdered or he was given phony meds that got him hooked and then he just OD'd on them. I never hear anyone first of all blame the man himself. Prince despite "pain" and we still dont know that degree of pain, he could have JUST got hooked after surgery and then kept spirialing out of control. Like Owen said "Death by YES" Prince surrounded himself with people that couldnt tell him shit, I dont care how close KIRK was, he was a stooge and did the bidding of the man cutting the checks. I am sure that many times Kirk said "NO" but Prince said " I am ok, just get me this" could there have been more health issues, sure, I in fact think something was breaking his body down, but PRINCE was not a person who could just stop, not play, not do shows, and when he found an answer to PAIN he didnt care what the cost was, despite being SMART and anti drug that has nothing to do with this, getting hooked on pain meds is a bit different than PRINCE dealing and smoking crack, so we need to seperate and stop saying the word DRUGS, Prince died from a medication overdose and an addiction to medication that was given to him to deal with pain, stop this died from a "DRUG OVERDOSE" because that is why these medications get a pass as does the medical industry for just not knowing what they are doing. I do not doubt Prince was spirialing out of control, the plane was the warning and it also showed his addiction problem, that he literally took enough of it and was most likely on it during that nights show, so being the private man he was, and lonely, yes PRINCE was fucking lonely stop saying shit like he had people in his life, yeah no fucking shit he had people in his life, but there was a reason he is dead, he had no one around him that could stop him, Kirk was a joke, Judith Hill was clueless, and he had long since pushed others out of his life, Morris Hayes was his closest musician friend and he was out of the picture for years he said. Numerous people who saw him the last year all say "they saw it" or he looked in bad shape, thats not a shock, looking at photos of him now in that last year, he looked terrible, yes hes thin, the fro made him looking thinner or weird, but his eyes were dead, numb, cold. Prince knew that because of who he was, and the way he was in life, he had no way out, the private man was now either going to have to go public with an addiction or he was going to have to figure this out himself, sadly due to his privacy and fear and loneliness he is dead.

Such passion and truth. Nothing sexy, just plain truth. I believe he was ill , masking underlying symptoms. He was done, he was a tired man.

AnnaStesia10 said:

PennyPurple said:

leec1 said:

I read Jay Corn's book and I do not recall any statements that Prince's body was moved.

Does anyone else who read this book remember seeing this?

I don't recall seeing it either.

I might have to revisit that statement BUT stuff like that stays at the front of my mind & I seem to recall from whatever official source [?] that he died in another part of the building, his body was washed, dressed in a rush [hence the backwards clothes] & put in the elevator. If anyone else can help clarify that would would great. Apologies if I have got this horribly wrong.

PennyPurple said:

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said: Jay Corn's book is hardly credible in terms of his analysis and mostly includes the already available investigation files anyway. Corn is merely a crass exploiter. But if people are too lazy to simply read through the files themselves, I guess they deserve terrible, self-published 'authors' like Jay Corn.

Oh, I've read thru the files.

strongly disagree with that OperatngThetan. It 's a really useful collection of offical statements etc & fills in many of the gaps. Whatever Jays motives were the book is a great reference point to those interested.

PennyPurple said:

jfenster said:

my issue is with all the games kirk did to avoid dealing with anything

And Meron, Phaedra, etc. But they have to live with themselves and evidently it isn't bothering them.

Meron back on the modelling taril if you follow her insta.

Does anyone recall where the info about him havng to be rushed to hospital in 2010 came from ? From what I can recall it was far beyond having an OD & was a life & death situation. Surely, if accurate that was the time to intervene & save his life.

He lived on the edge, Christopher Tracey was more than a fictional character..it truly represented a big part of who he was.

LoveGalore said:

No person who isn't in the depths of deep addiction has stashes of pills covering every inch of his compound and then also buys street pills that are cut with lethal amounts of fentanyl. Prince was in deep. If you want answers, you go to the people who have them - Sheila E who texted Kirk right as Prince was dying, Kirk who has his so called vault in head and was there deleting files off Prince's computer until 1030pm the night he died and sending pics of the NPG room stairs to the doctor by accident, Meron who was there shredding papers until 1030pm, and Phaedra who somehow got a call before 911 did.

You stated this way better than I have been able to. Although I wasn't sure when the shredding and deleting happened. My brain could be wrong but I thought it was Phaedra that was shredding, and it was after law enforcement left the scene on the 21st.

The reason I don't believe the published story line is nobody has had to give those answers. Have police talked to Sheila E about whey she oddly texted Kirk in the middle of the night? What did the text say? No idea why the stairs were photographed. No idea why nobody has forced them to talk. If Prince was my family member, I would be losing my mind for the lack of justice. Maybe justice isn't the right word because Prince obviously took the pills and had a major problem. But the total lack of true investigation is shocking. Nobody is held accountable and everyone can just lie.

As a side note, I also found it interesting that during the Moline trip, Kirk just coughs up to Judith "oh my gosh, Prince's problem must have been way worse than ever thought", like it was a surprise. Connsidering he just put two doctor's in precarious positions by falsely procuring pills for Prince, he obviously knew there was a big problem. And those are the only instances we know of. So many of Kirk's actions scream cover up. And I am not saying in terms of murder, I am just saying in general.

Again, if these three wanted true justice for Prince, they would be trying to help instead of hinder. And of course, these dealers need to be off the streets.

And, just as a follow up...

I have no idea how difficult addiction or pain management are, I am very lucky that I have not had to experience either.

What breaks my heart is if all of Prince's addiction did stem from pain, I just wish he would have gotten both hips replaced (assuming that was the origin of pain) and eliminated the root of the pain management problem. I don't think he could ever kick the pills without the pain being eliminated.

I was thinking yesterday about how I would jump off the top of swingsets and such as a kid, and that hurt like hell. No idea how he jumped off those speakers in heels year after year. Not to mention I am guessing he was double jointed given his ability as an adult to do the splits and such. Being hypermobile can cause a lot of pain as well over time.

When I was sick the last couple weeks, I did a lot of reading and watched a lot of concert footage. I miss his music terribly. I miss really good funk. What's on the radio is garbage in comparison in my opinion.

LoveGalore said:

No person who isn't in the depths of deep addiction has stashes of pills covering every inch of his compound and then also buys street pills that are cut with lethal amounts of fentanyl. Prince was in deep. If you want answers, you go to the people who have them - Sheila E who texted Kirk right as Prince was dying, Kirk who has his so called vault in head and was there deleting files off Prince's computer until 1030pm the night he died and sending pics of the NPG room stairs to the doctor by accident, Meron who was there shredding papers until 1030pm, and Phaedra who somehow got a call before 911 did.

Where is your source that Meron and Kirk were deleting files at 10:30 pm the night P passed??


Where is your source that Phaedra was called before 911??

This is fiction, and not fact.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

LoveGalore said:

No person who isn't in the depths of deep addiction has stashes of pills covering every inch of his compound and then also buys street pills that are cut with lethal amounts of fentanyl. Prince was in deep. If you want answers, you go to the people who have them - Sheila E who texted Kirk right as Prince was dying, Kirk who has his so called vault in head and was there deleting files off Prince's computer until 1030pm the night he died and sending pics of the NPG room stairs to the doctor by accident, Meron who was there shredding papers until 1030pm, and Phaedra who somehow got a call before 911 did.

Where is your source that Meron and Kirk were deleting files at 10:30 pm the night P passed??


Where is your source that Phaedra was called before 911??

This is fiction, and not fact.

You're right - I have no idea what Meron and Kirk were doing together in the office. I'm sure it was totally legitimate. I'm sure they were deleting the files after he died when they realized the cops hadn't seized P's laptop. My bad.

And Phaedra was called that very night, rather than them calling 911 to have Prince admitted to the hospital when he should've been given the fact he was sick and doped to hell on drugs so bad he needed several anti-anxiety meds prescribed.

Mumio said:

Just remember this for all those who want to speak/have something to say in this thread: if you end up in an argument and fight with someone, that is when the thread will be shut down. Avoid fighting and arguing with others. Best to ignore those who are trying to set you off, people know what they are doing and know what will happen

That goes for everyone that has somethng to say in this thread - not just conspiracy theorists with little to no information beyond speculation. Those with the wildest claims are the most worried about being shut down. Why is that? I think it's because they know it's not right to spread rumors about someone they supposedly "respect". Mostly for their own entertainment. And for throwing people who actually knew Prince under the bus.

LoveGalore said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Where is your source that Meron and Kirk were deleting files at 10:30 pm the night P passed??


Where is your source that Phaedra was called before 911??

This is fiction, and not fact.

You're right - I have no idea what Meron and Kirk were doing together in the office. I'm sure it was totally legitimate. I'm sure they were deleting the files after he died when they realized the cops hadn't seized P's laptop. My bad.

And Phaedra was called that very night, rather than them calling 911 to have Prince admitted to the hospital when he should've been given the fact he was sick and doped to hell on drugs so bad he needed several anti-anxiety meds prescribed.

I think it was stated in someone's "testimony" that Phaedra was shredding documents after the police left on the 21st.

Also regarding Phaedra, I believe she was called on the 20th (day prior to police involvement) to arrange substance abuse treatment with Kornfeld. I don't know that she was called the night of the 20th. I believe Kirk called her when Prince was "found" the morning of the 21st while Kornfeld called 911.

I'm not sure why anyone would have called 911 on the 20th during the day. I don't think you can force someone into the hospital to help with withdrawal. Yeah, its all a bummer that he didn't get treatment immediately, but I personally don't think he was interested in treatment anyway.

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iamafan said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't recall seeing it either.

I might have to revisit that statement BUT stuff like that stays at the front of my mind & I seem to recall from whatever official source [?] that he died in another part of the building, his body was washed, dressed in a rush [hence the backwards clothes] & put in the elevator. If anyone else can help clarify that would would great. Apologies if I have got this horribly wrong.

I don't think there is an official source stating Prince was redressed etc.

It just makes sense to a number of people. OD's can be messy, requiring some clean-up.

It also falls in line with the narrative that Prince had no idea what had happened and got fully dressed to 'get help'

The rest of the narrative was Prince :

-had no idea where these drugs came from

-no idea what was in them

-took a 'spiked pill' unknowingly

I don't buy it. It is a way for those in 'the know' to relieve Prince of his contribution and protect legacy.

There is not an official source stating that Prince had been redressed, moved, etc. because that is not what happened. It makes sense to 'what people'? The fans who are trying to change the narrative, to what they want to believe?

Phaedra was involved because they reached out to her for help on finding a rehab place. They were in contact with Phaedra all the time updating her on his condition.

The phone records show that Phaedra was one of the first people Kirk called after finding him in the elevator. Andrew was on his phone calling 911.

No where was it written that Kirk and Meron was already deleting files and shredding while Prince was still alive.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

There is not an official source stating that Prince had been redressed, moved, etc. because that is not what happened. It makes sense to 'what people'? The fans who are trying to change the narrative, to what they want to believe?

Phaedra was involved because they reached out to her for help on finding a rehab place. They were in contact with Phaedra all the time updating her on his condition.

The phone records show that Phaedra was one of the first people Kirk called after finding him in the elevator. Andrew was on his phone calling 911.

No where was it written that Kirk and Meron was already deleting files and shredding while Prince was still alive.

I don't really have a 'dog in this race', but there have been so many inconsistencies and

lies, that many, including myself, have looked deeper. The backwards clothing has never made sense to me and still does not.

Why were Sheila and Kirk in contact at that time of the night?

It was stated that Phaedra, Kirk and Meron were using What's Ap to communicate later (To hide their communiques).Who's to say that did not happen that night as it is a widely used Ap.

The records show Sheila sent Kirk a text but it was never answered by Kirk.

Everything that happened that last week is not a conspiracy.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The records show Sheila sent Kirk a text but it was never answered by Kirk.

Everything that happened that last week is not a conspiracy.

[Edited 11/24/19 8:47am]

We can agree to disagree.

Personally, I don't have an opinion on any shredding but I do think it is odd

that Sheila is texting Kirk at MN (In CA)

[Edited 11/24/19 9:00am]

PennyPurple said:

There is not an official source stating that Prince had been redressed, moved, etc. because that is not what happened. It makes sense to 'what people'? The fans who are trying to change the narrative, to what they want to believe?

Phaedra was involved because they reached out to her for help on finding a rehab place. They were in contact with Phaedra all the time updating her on his condition.

The phone records show that Phaedra was one of the first people Kirk called after finding him in the elevator. Andrew was on his phone calling 911.

No where was it written that Kirk and Meron was already deleting files and shredding while Prince was still alive.

Phaedra wasn't working for Prince for a very long time before this event. KJ himself said he didn't know Prince had an addiction problem until Moline. So, the fact Phaedra is involved at all is, yes, quite bizarre. Why would Phaedra be anywhere near that conversation - she didn't work for him, she didn't work in addiction medicine. Why would Phaedra be one of the first people you call? Just makes no sense.