lastdecember said:

PRINCE was deciding to write a book for this reason...He realized that he was one day going to die, and despite his religious views he still was a nostalgic person who started to actually GROW UP and toss other immature beliefs out the door. Having contemporaries die around you, change people and i know people think PRINCE is from another world, DEATH made Prince a human being. We saw this, and heard this many times, his reaction to MJ's death was to lock himself away, his reactions to Bowie and Vanity, I mean and who knows what was in his mind, addictions, pain, not feeling himself, folks, forget the "James Bond" stuff, He was not murdered, he did not get "fooled" into pills, Prince was so careful with everything you honestly think he would get fooled into taking medication that he did not know? This man read up on everything, he knew the danger, the risk, etc...but he felt he could just break this himself, and he could not.

Yes, I agree. I really enjoyed your previous post as well.

He may have addressed some of these issues in the song, "The Breakdown"

[Edited 11/29/19 8:12am]

lastdecember said:

PRINCE was deciding to write a book for this reason...He realized that he was one day going to die, and despite his religious views he still was a nostalgic person who started to actually GROW UP and toss other immature beliefs out the door. Having contemporaries die around you, change people and i know people think PRINCE is from another world, DEATH made Prince a human being. We saw this, and heard this many times, his reaction to MJ's death was to lock himself away, his reactions to Bowie and Vanity, I mean and who knows what was in his mind, addictions, pain, not feeling himself, folks, forget the "James Bond" stuff, He was not murdered, he did not get "fooled" into pills, Prince was so careful with everything you honestly think he would get fooled into taking medication that he did not know? This man read up on everything, he knew the danger, the risk, etc...but he felt he could just break this himself, and he could not.

Totally agree with this post. I do not believe at all that Prince was suprised by the strength of the pills, at least not the second time (when he died). Of course, I still think whoever made the pills should go to jail for sure, but I do think he somewhat knew what he was doing.

poppys said:

RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:
you have nothing to worry about... you never signed a major label deal...you never produced any hit records or starred in any movies..

"...you wouldnt pass the INITIATION.." ~ Prince aka The Kid

Because people that sign major label deals, produce hit records and star in movies are getting murdered every day...

"...and crack is wack."

LOL

and don't forget the secret society satanic orgy initiations on alters in Quincy Jones 3rd level basement

RJOrion said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

if u never hear from me on the Org again, u know what happened...

you have nothing to worry about... you never signed a major label deal...you never produced any hit records or starred in any movies.. "...you wouldnt pass the INITIATION.." ~ Prince aka The Kid

Yep those are the only people in illuminati want to kill

.

LOL You're blocking your blessings son, you're blocking you're blessings

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

Because people that sign major label deals, produce hit records and star in movies are getting murdered every day...

"...and crack is wack."

LOL

and don't forget the secret society satanic orgy initiations on alters in Quincy Jones 3rd level basement

and chris cornell was murdered cause he was about to reveal a pedo ring

iamafan said:

lastdecember said:

PRINCE was deciding to write a book for this reason...He realized that he was one day going to die, and despite his religious views he still was a nostalgic person who started to actually GROW UP and toss other immature beliefs out the door. Having contemporaries die around you, change people and i know people think PRINCE is from another world, DEATH made Prince a human being. We saw this, and heard this many times, his reaction to MJ's death was to lock himself away, his reactions to Bowie and Vanity, I mean and who knows what was in his mind, addictions, pain, not feeling himself, folks, forget the "James Bond" stuff, He was not murdered, he did not get "fooled" into pills, Prince was so careful with everything you honestly think he would get fooled into taking medication that he did not know? This man read up on everything, he knew the danger, the risk, etc...but he felt he could just break this himself, and he could not.

Totally agree with this post. I do not believe at all that Prince was suprised by the strength of the pills, at least not the second time (when he died). Of course, I still think whoever made the pills should go to jail for sure

Good luck with that...

https://www.boston25news....1005324473

We dont know if he left a Trust or not...they are not part of the Estate.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The motherfucking FACTS of the matter remain...

Prince is DEAD.

Whomever got him the pills that killed him would rather the world think Prince was a fucking junkie, than take responsibility for their actions.

The absolute control freak that was our Prince, supposedly left no Will, no Trust, Hell, no fucking random song with his final wishes embedded.

Meanwhile, his fortune and everything he worked his motherfucking ass off, so hard for, is being devoured by the very people he railed against in one form or another, during his lifetime.

Can we shift gears a second and talk about the Paisly Park photos that surfaced?

I had never seen them until fairly recently and was a little suprised at the state of the place.

herb4 said:

Can we shift gears a second and talk about the Paisly Park photos that surfaced?

I had never seen them until fairly recently and was a little suprised at the state of the place.

Prince(r.i.p.) was in the middle of a renovation to turn PP into a museum.

herb4 said:

Can we shift gears a second and talk about the Paisly Park photos that surfaced?

I had never seen them until fairly recently and was a little suprised at the state of the place.

It was a mess, wasn't it?

Did you also see the photo's of the cars down below in the garage? Some had flat tires, and probably at least an 1 inch of dirt and dust on them.

laytonian said:

looby said:

@laytonian. you just can't say as if it's fact, that "he had no other illness or wasn't being treated for anything else" because we don't know that, unless we were there ourselves and knew the man personally, or was his personal physician. No one is immune from illness, I don't care who you are! We are all human, and suffer from illness at one time or another, and Prince was no exception.

[Edited 11/16/19 12:23pm]

I have confirmed that with people who were close to him and knew. His illness was caused by opioids, which damage your liver, cause nausea, weight loss and constipation. Every symptom he was exhibiting but did not recognize. He had a drug problem from the early 2000s. Don't fall for the rumors .

I agree.

Opioids can cause the following:

To varying degrees, the narcotic analgesics in the opiate class can cause side effects that include:

• Drowsiness
• Nausea
• Vomiting
• Constipation

Side effects such as these can lead to a decrease in appetite, slowed digestion and weight loss, over time. In addition, opiate dependence and, especially, addiction can often result in dramatic weight loss when people begin to engage in drug seeking behavior more often than eating properly.

PennyPurple said:

herb4 said:

Can we shift gears a second and talk about the Paisly Park photos that surfaced?

I had never seen them until fairly recently and was a little suprised at the state of the place.

It was a mess, wasn't it?

Did you also see the photo's of the cars down below in the garage? Some had flat tires, and probably at least an 1 inch of dirt and dust on them.

It's a garage that no one really used, not sure if cleaning the garage was priority since the last 4 months of his life he was either on the road, hospital, withdrawl or ill. Fair to say he was busy.

macaylasdad said:

PennyPurple said:

It was a mess, wasn't it?

Did you also see the photo's of the cars down below in the garage? Some had flat tires, and probably at least an 1 inch of dirt and dust on them.

It's a garage that no one really used, not sure if cleaning the garage was priority since the last 4 months of his life he was either on the road, hospital, withdrawl or ill. Fair to say he was busy.

Not like HE cleaned the garage. He used the garage. He drove.

PennyPurple said:

macaylasdad said:

It's a garage that no one really used, not sure if cleaning the garage was priority since the last 4 months of his life he was either on the road, hospital, withdrawl or ill. Fair to say he was busy.

Not like HE cleaned the garage. He used the garage. He drove.

They brought the Bentley and white BMW sports car up to be displayed. They are now beautiful and shiny

benni said:

laytonian said:

looby said: I have confirmed that with people who were close to him and knew. His illness was caused by opioids, which damage your liver, cause nausea, weight loss and constipation. Every symptom he was exhibiting but did not recognize. He had a drug problem from the early 2000s. Don't fall for the rumors .

I agree.

Opioids can cause the following:

To varying degrees, the narcotic analgesics in the opiate class can cause side effects that include:

• Drowsiness
• Nausea
• Vomiting
• Constipation

Side effects such as these can lead to a decrease in appetite, slowed digestion and weight loss, over time. In addition, opiate dependence and, especially, addiction can often result in dramatic weight loss when people begin to engage in drug seeking behavior more often than eating properly.

I agree on the effects not sure I agree on the timeline, early 2000's saw him touring heavily especially Musicology which took him through 2004 and some of 05, and then he was right back in 06. To me it was his disapperance after Lotus this is the timeline that people say he had the surgery, its interesting how no one has ever come forward and said they operated on his hip. Very interesting since its argued that there is where he started on pain medication and it just got stronger and stronger. Another side effect with fentanyl is it stops your breathing, this was how Prince died, not too many, just no air. Again its debated what was he doing about his clothing etc..why was he in the elevator and we will never know we can only speculate that he could not breathe and was trying to get out of the building for air and to a phone or somewhere he would be noticed sadly.

[Edited 12/1/19 13:14pm]

PeggyO said:

lastdecember said:

He had the hip procedure/surgery in 2010.

He had access to a nearby phone as Kirk was in frequent contact with him

Per his second wife, Manuela, he had a problem with pain pills during their marriage. (2001-2006)

[Edited 12/1/19 13:18pm]

lastdecember said:

PRINCE was deciding to write a book for this reason...He realized that he was one day going to die, and despite his religious views he still was a nostalgic person who started to actually GROW UP and toss other immature beliefs out the door. Having contemporaries die around you, change people and i know people think PRINCE is from another world, DEATH made Prince a human being. We saw this, and heard this many times, his reaction to MJ's death was to lock himself away, his reactions to Bowie and Vanity, I mean and who knows what was in his mind, addictions, pain, not feeling himself, folks, forget the "James Bond" stuff, He was not murdered, he did not get "fooled" into pills, Prince was so careful with everything you honestly think he would get fooled into taking medication that he did not know? This man read up on everything, he knew the danger, the risk, etc...but he felt he could just break this himself, and he could not.

Yes! Yes, I do! I think that because the pills Prince took that fateful day, for all intents and purposes were made to look like and represent "real" prescription drugs but in actuality contained high levels of the killer drug FENTANYL So a trusting person, of the source they got those pills from, could/would most certainly have been FOOLED into taking them, not knowing.

And that whole, "Prince was so careful about everything" is purely nothing short of extremely questionable, given the reality of all the things that have happened since.

I do know, believe and will say this, the TRUTH about what really happened to Prince, is out there and WILL BE TOLD because the Prince I know and love, wouldn't have that any other motherfucking way!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

We dont know if he left a Trust or not...they are not part of the Estate.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The motherfucking FACTS of the matter remain...

Prince is DEAD.

Whomever got him the pills that killed him would rather the world think Prince was a fucking junkie, than take responsibility for their actions.

The absolute control freak that was our Prince, supposedly left no Will, no Trust, Hell, no fucking random song with his final wishes embedded.

Meanwhile, his fortune and everything he worked his motherfucking ass off, so hard for, is being devoured by the very people he railed against in one form or another, during his lifetime.

Yes, this is very well true.

lastdecember said:

benni said:

I agree.

Opioids can cause the following:

To varying degrees, the narcotic analgesics in the opiate class can cause side effects that include:

• Drowsiness
• Nausea
• Vomiting
• Constipation

Side effects such as these can lead to a decrease in appetite, slowed digestion and weight loss, over time. In addition, opiate dependence and, especially, addiction can often result in dramatic weight loss when people begin to engage in drug seeking behavior more often than eating properly.

I agree on the effects not sure I agree on the timeline, early 2000's saw him touring heavily especially Musicology which took him through 2004 and some of 05, and then he was right back in 06. To me it was his disapperance after Lotus this is the timeline that people say he had the surgery, its interesting how no one has ever come forward and said they operated on his hip. Very interesting since its argued that there is where he started on pain medication and it just got stronger and stronger. Another side effect with fentanyl is it stops your breathing, this was how Prince died, not too many, just no air. Again its debated what was he doing about his clothing etc..why was he in the elevator and we will never know we can only speculate that he could not breathe and was trying to get out of the building for air and to a phone or somewhere he would be noticed sadly.

All you need is 1 & that 1 had so much fentanyl in it that it would have killed several Elephants at once.

lastdecember said:

benni said:

I agree.

Opioids can cause the following:

To varying degrees, the narcotic analgesics in the opiate class can cause side effects that include:

• Drowsiness
• Nausea
• Vomiting
• Constipation

Side effects such as these can lead to a decrease in appetite, slowed digestion and weight loss, over time. In addition, opiate dependence and, especially, addiction can often result in dramatic weight loss when people begin to engage in drug seeking behavior more often than eating properly.

I agree on the effects not sure I agree on the timeline, early 2000's saw him touring heavily especially Musicology which took him through 2004 and some of 05, and then he was right back in 06. To me it was his disapperance after Lotus this is the timeline that people say he had the surgery, its interesting how no one has ever come forward and said they operated on his hip. Very interesting since its argued that there is where he started on pain medication and it just got stronger and stronger. Another side effect with fentanyl is it stops your breathing, this was how Prince died, not too many, just no air. Again its debated what was he doing about his clothing etc..why was he in the elevator and we will never know we can only speculate that he could not breathe and was trying to get out of the building for air and to a phone or somewhere he would be noticed sadly.

I was talking strictly about the side effects, but I agree with you about hte timeline issue. I'm thinking it was around the end of 2009 and beginning of 2010 that everything kind of went sideways for Prince. It was around that time that he disappeared for awhile, but then he came back and I believe he released "Cause & Effect" when he came back. He seemed to move real well during that time, as one would after first having surgery, but then around 2014/2015 is when I started noticing that he wasn't quite dancing the way he used to, but I put that off to age. At 54, I sure don't move the way I used to when I was in my 40s, 30s, and 20s. Heck getting out of bed can be a feat of accomplishment any more.

PennyPurple said:

lastdecember said:

I agree on the effects not sure I agree on the timeline, early 2000's saw him touring heavily especially Musicology which took him through 2004 and some of 05, and then he was right back in 06. To me it was his disapperance after Lotus this is the timeline that people say he had the surgery, its interesting how no one has ever come forward and said they operated on his hip. Very interesting since its argued that there is where he started on pain medication and it just got stronger and stronger. Another side effect with fentanyl is it stops your breathing, this was how Prince died, not too many, just no air. Again its debated what was he doing about his clothing etc..why was he in the elevator and we will never know we can only speculate that he could not breathe and was trying to get out of the building for air and to a phone or somewhere he would be noticed sadly.

All you need is 1 & that 1 had so much fentanyl in it that it would have killed several Elephants at once.

Yep.

This is a picture of how much fentanyl it takes to be fatal:





This is 2 mg of Fentanyl, which is a lethal dose to most people.

A lot of interesting discussion. Given Prince's tendency toward control, you would have expected things would always be orderly, that he would tolerate nothing less. But looking at the photos of his house/garage/vault, it doesn't seem like that was how he lived. Question is, did he not care because of the addiction, or was PP always like that and we just didn't know because there were never any photographs? (That I have seen).

(I recognize he would not clean the garage, but I would think he would make others do it if he noticed tires were flat and things looked dirty).

I personally can't get past that bedroom he lived in. I know I only saw a piece of it from the pictures, but certainly did not seem like a room someone would choose to live in when there were other beautiful options.

Regarding the Fentanyl, they don't know how many pills he took, did he? Like was it one pill with a mega dose of it or did he take multiple pills?

iamafan said:

A lot of interesting discussion. Given Prince's tendency toward control, you would have expected things would always be orderly, that he would tolerate nothing less. But looking at the photos of his house/garage/vault, it doesn't seem like that was how he lived. Question is, did he not care because of the addiction, or was PP always like that and we just didn't know because there were never any photographs? (That I have seen).

(I recognize he would not clean the garage, but I would think he would make others do it if he noticed tires were flat and things looked dirty).

I personally can't get past that bedroom he lived in. I know I only saw a piece of it from the pictures, but certainly did not seem like a room someone would choose to live in when there were other beautiful options.

Regarding the Fentanyl, they don't know how many pills he took, did he? Like was it one pill with a mega dose of it or did he take multiple pills?

Prince(r.i.p) was in the process of renovation of his sprawling estate PP to turn into a musuem. Plus the place was ransacked for evidence.

It was nothing wrong with residing in "the green room"(with a calming atmosphere) that Prince(r.i.p.)switched to from the elaborate white room(with it's busy architect features) .

[Edited 12/2/19 13:11pm]

Genesia said:

PeggyO said:

He was likely found and redressed by someone(s) who cared about his dignity. They may have been in a rush and just put the clothes on without checking.

I think it was simple and done with care.

I have said from the beginning that I believe he going to bed, took the pills, then realized he was in trouble, threw his clothes back on in whatever way he could, and was going for help. He didn't make it.

this makes most sense. I mean, when you take off clothes they naturally go inside out a lot of the time. I wake up all the time put my sleep pants back on and they're inside out.

lastdecember said:

benni said:

I agree.

Opioids can cause the following:

To varying degrees, the narcotic analgesics in the opiate class can cause side effects that include:

• Drowsiness
• Nausea
• Vomiting
• Constipation

Side effects such as these can lead to a decrease in appetite, slowed digestion and weight loss, over time. In addition, opiate dependence and, especially, addiction can often result in dramatic weight loss when people begin to engage in drug seeking behavior more often than eating properly.

I agree on the effects not sure I agree on the timeline, early 2000's saw him touring heavily especially Musicology which took him through 2004 and some of 05, and then he was right back in 06. To me it was his disapperance after Lotus this is the timeline that people say he had the surgery, its interesting how no one has ever come forward and said they operated on his hip. Very interesting since its argued that there is where he started on pain medication and it just got stronger and stronger. Another side effect with fentanyl is it stops your breathing, this was how Prince died, not too many, just no air. Again its debated what was he doing about his clothing etc..why was he in the elevator and we will never know we can only speculate that he could not breathe and was trying to get out of the building for air and to a phone or somewhere he would be noticed sadly.

BUT Somebody knows because Im sure there are Video Cameras everywhere! Poor Prince fell uncounsious and there was nobody there to revive him when he still had a chance to live, cant believe he was already gone for 6 hours when he was found.

iamafan said:

I personally can't get past that bedroom he lived in.

It looked like a normal real bedroom from someone with questionable taste, who didn't spend a lot of time there and didn't like objects. It didn't fit the image, and looked too real and human but that's not any indication of a degrading physical/mental state. So Prince lived like a real person, he tossed stuff in bags, left crap on the floor, didn't bother to throw away the old thing of deoderant or whatever it was. Not sure that speaks to a mental or physical state so much as a tired man who lived minimal and wasn't creating a home vibe there. It looked more like production office. Most of Paisley Park looked depressing to me, and not like it was thriving or being very lived in either, but whatever, he had other homes to do the showroom decor, house beautiful thing, when he wanted that.

lavendardrummachine said:

iamafan said:

I personally can't get past that bedroom he lived in.

It looked like a normal real bedroom from someone with questionable taste, who didn't spend a lot of time there and didn't like objects. It didn't fit the image, and looked too real and human but that's not any indication of a degrading physical/mental state. So Prince lived like a real person, he tossed stuff in bags, left crap on the floor, didn't bother to throw away the old thing of deoderant or whatever it was. Not sure that speaks to a mental or physical state so much as a tired man who lived minimal and wasn't creating a home vibe there. It looked more like production office. Most of Paisley Park looked depressing to me, and not like it was thriving or being very lived in either, but whatever, he had other homes to do the showroom decor, house beautiful thing, when he wanted that.

I felt the same way.

Maybe he was renovating or what have you so, OK, fine. I don't pretend to know. But this man was immaculate in his approach to almost everything - his hair, his clothes, his make up, his environment - all of it. The pix I saw looked less like someone who was moving shit around and gearing up ofr a project and more like someone who'd lost interest and had built a big lonely castle/palace that brought him no joy.

I saw it reflected later in his life with his make up, hair and even in things like ceding control to the younger people he was surrounding himself with.

I dunno.

I've known an opiate user or two in my day and let's just say that housekeeping is not a priority. Maybe he was tired. He always had a lot on his plate so maybe PP was on a temporary back burner or he was spreading hinself too thin. I still can't shake the idea that he was not feeling right and that it wasn't all down to drug addiction. I honeslty think that was secondary and that he wasn't at all in Amy Whinehouse, Cobain, Keith Richards territory but something more...tame, I guess.

People get ideas in thier heads of what a junkie or an addict is but there are degrees. They're not all drooling unproductive zombies. Not by a LONG shot. A LOT of people take pain medicine and run law firms, doctors offices, run for office, fight fires and on and on. If you work in an office of any sort, I promise you there are people on pain meds or xanax there and you will never know.

Vicodin is the 12th most prescribed medication in the U.S.

If it rendered people totaly helpless, the entire nation would crumble.

When I look at those PP pix, I see "I'll get around to it one day" not the "No, we do not use milk crates for furniture in MY bedroom" that I've come to associate with Prince. Maybe I'm way off. It could be nothing more than a peek behind the curtain.

herb4 said:

lavendardrummachine said:

It looked like a normal real bedroom from someone with questionable taste, who didn't spend a lot of time there and didn't like objects. It didn't fit the image, and looked too real and human but that's not any indication of a degrading physical/mental state. So Prince lived like a real person, he tossed stuff in bags, left crap on the floor, didn't bother to throw away the old thing of deoderant or whatever it was. Not sure that speaks to a mental or physical state so much as a tired man who lived minimal and wasn't creating a home vibe there. It looked more like production office. Most of Paisley Park looked depressing to me, and not like it was thriving or being very lived in either, but whatever, he had other homes to do the showroom decor, house beautiful thing, when he wanted that.

I felt the same way.

Maybe he was renovating or what have you so, OK, fine. I don't pretend to know. But this man was immaculate in his approach to almost everything - his hair, his clothes, his make up, his environment - all of it. The pix I saw looked less like someone who was moving shit around and gearing up ofr a project and more like someone who'd lost interest and had built a big lonely castle/palace that brought him no joy.

I saw it reflected later in his life with his make up, hair and even in things like ceding control to the younger people he was surrounding himself with.

I dunno.

I've known an opiate user or two in my day and let's just say that housekeeping is not a priority. Maybe he was tired. He always had a lot on his plate so maybe PP was on a temporary back burner or he was spreading hinself too thin. I still can't shake the idea that he was not feeling right and that it wasn't all down to drug addiction. I honeslty think that was secondary and that he wasn't at all in Amy Whinehouse, Cobain, Keith Richards territory but something more...tame, I guess.

People get ideas in thier heads of what a junkie or an addict is but there are degrees. They're not all drooling unproductive zombies. Not by a LONG shot. A LOT of people take pain medicine and run law firms, doctors offices, run for office, fight fires and on and on. If you work in an office of any sort, I promise you there are people on pain meds or xanax there and you will never know.

Vicodin is the 12th most prescribed medication in the U.S.

If it rendered people totaly helpless, the entire nation would crumble.

When I look at those PP pix, I see "I'll get around to it one day" not the "No, we do not use milk crates for furniture in MY bedroom" that I've come to associate with Prince. Maybe I'm way off. It could be nothing more than a peek behind the curtain.

From what I understood, he just didn't have a lot of staff working at PP the last few years. Mainly Kirk, his cook, and a few others, but no regular cleaning crew. I think Kirk was responsible for the upkeep of PP.

As for his bedroom, he could have stayed in there for nostalgia reasons. What I mean by that, is that I'm sure the green bedroom was a lot like the bedrooms he grew up in. We often feel comfortable with those things we knew from childhood. The shine of the glitz and glammer may have worn off and he preferred somewhere he could just be Prince and didn't have to be the persona he created.

Snake said:

lastdecember said:

I agree on the effects not sure I agree on the timeline, early 2000's saw him touring heavily especially Musicology which took him through 2004 and some of 05, and then he was right back in 06. To me it was his disapperance after Lotus this is the timeline that people say he had the surgery, its interesting how no one has ever come forward and said they operated on his hip. Very interesting since its argued that there is where he started on pain medication and it just got stronger and stronger. Another side effect with fentanyl is it stops your breathing, this was how Prince died, not too many, just no air. Again its debated what was he doing about his clothing etc..why was he in the elevator and we will never know we can only speculate that he could not breathe and was trying to get out of the building for air and to a phone or somewhere he would be noticed sadly.

BUT Somebody knows because Im sure there are Video Cameras everywhere! Poor Prince fell uncounsious and there was nobody there to revive him when he still had a chance to live, cant believe he was already gone for 6 hours when he was found.

Prince{r.i.p.} had ---- shut off the surveillance cameras.