sexton said:

Why ignore a perfectly plausible scenario to reach for far-fetched theories? It makes no sense to me.

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with people as I have nothing to defend. I have no idea what happened to Prince other than he died from a toxicity of Fentanyl. This isn't personal to me, therefore I don't have to insult other people or attack. I was just discussing different theories.

You may believe that any conculsion other than what the CC experts came up with is inane, and that is fine, I couldn't care less. The reason my mind goes to theories is because the central people in the story have given inconsistent stories. That's all.

Have fun ripping this.

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why waasnt Prince more carefull after what happened on the plane???? thats what doesnt make sense

iamafan said:

The text came from Sheila, I don't think there is evidence of Kirk texting her.

My theory... Prince took the pills shortly after he came home (last email I think was 8:04 or something). Meron stated she and Kirk were there until 10:30. I think they found him that night, dead in his bed. I think they dressed him, and put him in the elevator and left. (I know this sounds really creepy, but the whole dynamic between all of them is kinda crazy). Given that Prince was in such dire straits based on Moline and the dr appts, I can't imagine they would not have checked on him in reality.

I too have puzzled as to why they would put him in the elevator. Only thing I can think of is because they didn't want the bed to be the focus of the death scene? (Because it would be noticed he was cleaned up/tampered with?) I also wonder if they wanted Kornfeld to be somewhat of a witness. I am not imlying murder, but more of a "shoot, what do we do now that we screwed with a death scene?". I can't stop thinking coverup of some sort because I can't figure out why Kirk would say he dropped him off at 8:00 when he was at PP until later (according to Meron).

There's a million different scenarios you can conjure up when people tell conflicting stories.

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None of that happened.

When we had threads on this topic before, we were talking facts and they kept getting locked.

Now this thread appears and is mostly falsehoods and it's allowed to stand.

Prince wasn't found in his bed and dragged to the elevator. He wasn't re-dressed. There was no way Kirk and Meron knew he was dead and went home, because of their reaction when they did find him. There was vomit dripping down the inside of the elevator. He was found IN the elevator NOT outside of the elevator. Kirk didn't call or text Sheila, Sheila texted him. There is no cover up.

PennyPurple said:

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said:

None of that happened.

When we had threads on this topic before, we were talking facts and they kept getting locked.

Now this thread appears and is mostly falsehoods and it's allowed to stand.

Prince wasn't found in his bed and dragged to the elevator. He wasn't re-dressed. There was no way Kirk and Meron knew he was dead and went home, because of their reaction when they did find him. There was vomit dripping down the inside of the elevator. He was found IN the elevator NOT outside of the elevator. Kirk didn't call or text Sheila, Sheila texted him. There is no cover up.

Agreed. PennyPurple. There seems to be a tendency in many of these more conspiratorial posts to invent details and to conjecture concerning elements that are already sadly clear. Either there is a need to fabricate due to a lack of acceptance regarding the simple but brutally tragic cause of Prince's death or people are not properly reading the released reports and are debating and questioning misinformation that neither appears in the investigation files or any other reliable reports.

If these comments are let go unchecked, they will be looked up years from now and thought to be the truth.

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but can't stay silent anymore with the falsehoods that are being told.

OperatingThetan said:

Why do naive people think Prince died of pain-killer addiction when it's obvious that Seth Rich gave the Vault tapes to Crowdstrike for Hunter Biden to embezzle out of Ukraine in exchange for Susan Rice telling Van Jones to order the hit?

Seriously, you conspiracy theorists sound as crazy as the guests on an average evening of Hannity or Tucker Carlson.

AnnaStesia10 said:

I think we all just need to chill the funk out and just allow everyone to discuss what is on their mind or what theories or thoughs they may have. We all have a shared appreciation and interest in Prince.

Thanks, Anna.Geez...

I am also a 'veteran' of the Investigation threads and may have a different interpretation than other 'veterans'. It is unfair to be disrespectful to others who may see things differently.

Chilling the Funk out is a great idea.

PeggyO said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

I think we all just need to chill the funk out and just allow everyone to discuss what is on their mind or what theories or thoughs they may have. We all have a shared appreciation and interest in Prince.

Thanks, Anna.Geez...

I am also a 'veteran' of the Investigation threads and may have a different interpretation than other 'veterans'. It is unfair to be disrespectful to others who may see things differently.

Chilling the Funk out is a great idea.

Y'all got the thread you wanted. Shared "appreciation" has nothing to do with respect. Death threads will be death threads.

poppys said:

PeggyO said:

Thanks, Anna.Geez...

I am also a 'veteran' of the Investigation threads and may have a different interpretation than other 'veterans'. It is unfair to be disrespectful to others who may see things differently.

Chilling the Funk out is a great idea.

Y'all got the thread you wanted. Shared "appreciation" has nothing to do with respect. Death threads will be death threads.

I do not see any posters on this thread who have disrespected Prince.

Conversations such as these will cease under one condition and I'm sure you can guess what that is.

PeggyO said:

poppys said:

Y'all got the thread you wanted. Shared "appreciation" has nothing to do with respect. Death threads will be death threads.

I do not see any posters on this thread who have disrespected Prince.

Conversations such as these will cease under one condition and I'm sure you can guess what that is.

I have no idea what "that" is. As far as Prince goes, we all know he would be disgusted with all this shit talking being called "respect". Carry on and pretend this is "appreciation and interest". What a load.

herb4 said:

poppys said:

PeggyO said:

I do not see any posters on this thread who have disrespected Prince.

Conversations such as these will cease under one condition and I'm sure you can guess what that is.

I have no idea what "that" is. As far as Prince goes, we all know he would be disgusted with all this shit talking being called "respect". Carry on and pretend this is "appreciation and interest". What a load.

Wow

PeggyO said:

poppys said:

I have no idea what "that" is. As far as Prince goes, we all know he would be disgusted with all this shit talking being called "respect". Carry on and pretend this is "appreciation and interest". What a load.

Wow

Yeah, some of us don't beat around the bush.

PeggyO said:

poppys said:

PeggyO said:

I do not see any posters on this thread who have disrespected Prince.

Conversations such as these will cease under one condition and I'm sure you can guess what that is.

I have no idea what "that" is. As far as Prince goes, we all know he would be disgusted with all this shit talking being called "respect". Carry on and pretend this is "appreciation and interest". What a load.

I have been around the org for a loooong time. (This was not always my login. I have had a few as I would take breaks and then forget my userid.)

Anyway, I think Prince was pretty disgusted with the Org when he was alive, and I am sure he would be in death. Unfortunately, it is part of being a public figure. Not to mention he was a very controversial public figure, but he obviously monitored these boards. Part of why I would take breaks is because of the tenor of this forum.

Anyway, I appreciate Prince to pieces. His music has been a huge part of my life and I have been an avid fan for about 35 years. I have many great memories that involve his music, be it concerts, driving around and listening to the radio, and just drowning things out in life and listening to him in my room.

I am also interested in Prince. I don't think anyone would doubt he is/was an enigma. For instance, I would have never thought he would die without a will given his tendency toward control. But, either he died without a will or he hid it, or someone destroyed it.

However, it is human nature to discuss what is not understood. The problem here is the same as what you see in politics. People feel they 'know' things, and those that don't agree are bad people, are stupid, etc. Just because I feel Kirk and Meron (and others) are liars doesn't mean I don't appreciate Prince, or I am naive, or I am loony.

Its unfortunate that people are so married to their ideas that they cannot have dialogue. No idea why they would be on a forum. Sounds like a waste of energy to be so angry about people having thoughts and opinions.

(I am coming back to clarify the paragraph below. I have quoted one post as a reply, but my comments below are not about this individual post per se, it is more about the attitude of people that have to lash out when someone has an opinion different than there's)

But, bullying will not keep me away, nor insults. See, your words can't hurt me. It shows more about you than it does about me. So enjoy yourselves and your sense of superiority and your vast knowledge of everything. Meanwhile, I will enjoy my life and my ability to think and have discussions with others.

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Bullying and insults my azz. I say my piece, just as you do. You are welcome to enjoy your life. No one is keeping you away. Whatever you post on a public forum, expect "discussion". My opinion is just as valid as yours, whatever cred you claim.

poppys said:

But, bullying will not keep me away, nor insults. See, your words can't hurt me. It shows more about you than it does about me. So enjoy yourselves and your sense of superiority and your vast knowledge of everything. Meanwhile, I will enjoy my life and my ability to think and have discussions with others.

Bullying and insults my azz. I say my piece, just as you do. You are welcome to enjoy your life. No one is keeping you away. Whatever you post on a public forum, expect "discussion". My opinion is just as valid as yours, whatever cred you claim.

I apologize for inadvertantly singling out your post and making it seem like my post was written based entirely on your comment. I edited my previous post and clarified what I was referring to.

I quoted your post previously more in reference to the 'appreciation and interest' comment you had made. Then I just kept typing and was speaking more in the general tone I have come across today.

Anyway, didn't mean to single you out in that way.

iamafan said:

poppys said:

But, bullying will not keep me away, nor insults. See, your words can't hurt me. It shows more about you than it does about me. So enjoy yourselves and your sense of superiority and your vast knowledge of everything. Meanwhile, I will enjoy my life and my ability to think and have discussions with others.

Bullying and insults my azz. I say my piece, just as you do. You are welcome to enjoy your life. No one is keeping you away. Whatever you post on a public forum, expect "discussion". My opinion is just as valid as yours, whatever cred you claim.

I apologize for inadvertantly singling out your post and making it seem like my post was written based entirely on your comment. I edited my previous post and clarified what I was referring to.

I quoted your post previously more in reference to the 'appreciation and interest' comment you had made. Then I just kept typing and was speaking more in the general tone I have come across today.

Anyway, didn't mean to single you out in that way.

Thank you for that, especially since I've never even replied to you or called you loony, etc. Beaucoup projection going on there.

poppys said:

iamafan said:

I apologize for inadvertantly singling out your post and making it seem like my post was written based entirely on your comment. I edited my previous post and clarified what I was referring to.

I quoted your post previously more in reference to the 'appreciation and interest' comment you had made. Then I just kept typing and was speaking more in the general tone I have come across today.

Anyway, didn't mean to single you out in that way.

Thank you for that, especially since I've never even replied to you or called you loony, etc. Beaucoup projection going on there.

Not projection, my post was just referencing what someone else said earlier in the thread. As I said, I kinda lumped all my thoughts into that one post, but unfortunately it was quoting a post of yours.

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AnnaStesia10 said:

Can we just get back on topic and move it along to the next. So any other new theories or ideas, even if said here before but worth revisiting, on what the hell happened to Prince? I too can't reconcile the Moline incident to him still taking more pills on April 20/21st. To me he either was so "out of it" due to sleep deprivation and pain that he rolled the dice and just wanted relief, or he took a chance too because rehab help was coming to his door the next morning and he didnt wanna start that without one last time taking the pills, or he willfully took something that he knew could kill him because he thought after the next day his business may all come out. Or there was foul play and someone killed him. Think about what scenario makes the most sense to you from the facts presented and what you just know in life and from your gut. Unless we gain new evidence OR Kirk, Meron, Phaedra or anyone else in his inner circle or friends or family speak up, I know we will never ever know what really went down. So since we are speculating, for me I go back and forth on what could have happened that night. We all know he was using pain pills now. We know what was in his system when he died. I go back and forth from it was a sad accidental overdose for he did not know what was in the pills to he knew what he was doing that night and didnt care due to the magnitude of his pain and what was about to happen the next day. I used to think he was murdered, hell could still be true. But for me I've left that notion and feel more it was just a grave accident or an intentional choice.

He was given Narcan at Moline and that reversed the opiates which places a person in withdrawal.

My theory only:

He went home after Moline and took opiates again but not enough to be completely comfortable. He stated to Dr. S that he felt antsy. I think he was in mild-to- mod withdrawal much of the week, was not sleeping, trying to do 'damage control' with media and fans. And this is my opinion, only...but I also think he had an underlying illness.

When Kirk dropped him off on the 21st, he likely took something to relieve the withdrawal.Afterwards

he spent some time on the computer emailing till 8:00pm.

It is my opinion, he weighed his options and may not have seen himself getting better, performing etc.

It is my opinion that he took an overdose.

(We can all have a different opinion, but let's not attack each other)

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PeggyO said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

Can we just get back on topic and move it along to the next. So any other new theories or ideas, even if said here before but worth revisiting, on what the hell happened to Prince? I too can't reconcile the Moline incident to him still taking more pills on April 20/21st. To me he either was so "out of it" due to sleep deprivation and pain that he rolled the dice and just wanted relief, or he took a chance too because rehab help was coming to his door the next morning and he didnt wanna start that without one last time taking the pills, or he willfully took something that he knew could kill him because he thought after the next day his business may all come out. Or there was foul play and someone killed him. Think about what scenario makes the most sense to you from the facts presented and what you just know in life and from your gut. Unless we gain new evidence OR Kirk, Meron, Phaedra or anyone else in his inner circle or friends or family speak up, I know we will never ever know what really went down. So since we are speculating, for me I go back and forth on what could have happened that night. We all know he was using pain pills now. We know what was in his system when he died. I go back and forth from it was a sad accidental overdose for he did not know what was in the pills to he knew what he was doing that night and didnt care due to the magnitude of his pain and what was about to happen the next day. I used to think he was murdered, hell could still be true. But for me I've left that notion and feel more it was just a grave accident or an intentional choice.

He was given Narcan at Moline and that reversed the opiates which places a person in withdrawal.

My theory only:

He went home after Moline and took opiates again but not enough to be completely comfortable. He stated to Dr. S that he felt antsy. I think he was in mild-to- mod withdrawal much of the week, was not sleeping, trying to do 'damage control' with media and fans. And this is my opinion, only...but I also think he had an underlying illness.

When Kirk dropped him off on the 21st, he likely took something to relieve the withdrawal. Afterwards he spent some time on the computer emailing till 8:00pm.

It is my opinion, he weighed his options and may not have seen himself getting better, performing etc.

It is my opinion that he took an overdose.

(We can all have a different opinion, but let's not attack each other)

My opinion is this is 100% unprovable fan fiction.

The bigger question is - why do you obsess on going to these unknowable lengths? What's in it for you? There is something inside the need to speculate Prince's death down to this kind of detail. And it is not positive - at all. Prince would hate this. It's a sickness of it's own - maybe it's that simple. Calling this respect is ridiculous.

iamafan said:

I too can’t get past him OD’ing twice in a week.

Get past it and move on with your life. Take what you like about Prince, and make THAT your focus.

It's a public forum.

Why are you so obssessed with me? I'm finding it kinda flattering. I love the

attention and can't wait to post again.

poppys said:

PeggyO said:

He was given Narcan at Moline and that reversed the opiates which places a person in withdrawal.

My theory only:

He went home after Moline and took opiates again but not enough to be completely comfortable. He stated to Dr. S that he felt antsy. I think he was in mild-to- mod withdrawal much of the week, was not sleeping, trying to do 'damage control' with media and fans. And this is my opinion, only...but I also think he had an underlying illness.

When Kirk dropped him off on the 21st, he likely took something to relieve the withdrawal. Afterwards he spent some time on the computer emailing till 8:00pm.

It is my opinion, he weighed his options and may not have seen himself getting better, performing etc.

It is my opinion that he took an overdose.

(We can all have a different opinion, but let's not attack each other)

My opinion is this is 100% unprovable fan fiction.

The bigger question is - why do you obsess on going to these unknowable lengths? What's in it for you? There is something inside the need to speculate Prince's death down to this kind of detail. And it is not positive - at all. Prince would hate this. It's a sickness of it's own - maybe it's that simple. Calling this respect is ridiculous.

I honestly think the book that Jay Corn did brings together all you need to know. I understand from his social media that a further investigation is under way? Given the age of information we are in the truth will out eventually. One thing that came through from the book was that he did not die in the elevator, his body was moved there.

There are 2 groups that need to be called back in for severe questioning by anyone other than the fuck ups at Carver County - shocking if you have read anyone it btw.

Group 1 - those there at the end & those that clearly covered up:

Sheila E

Kirky J

Meron

Judith Hill

Phaedra

I am sure there were a few more but from memory these were the main ones.

Group 2 - those who worked with him in his final year or so

All of 3rd eye girl

& anyone else you can think of.

Ultimatley it's safe to say that P was highly dependant on meds for years & pushed younger employees / staff of P. Park to get his meds for him - shocking but seemingly true. It's too easy to say they should have intevened but anyone who has been close to an addict knows it's an impossible task.

The thing that we need to know is what the help hapened in the final day, who got the pills, where were they from & what the hell happened after his body was found - why was his body moved etc.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

I honestly think the book that Jay Corn did brings together all you need to know. I understand from his social media that a further investigation is under way? Given the age of information we are in the truth will out eventually. One thing that came through from the book was that he did not die in the elevator, his body was moved there.

There are 2 groups that need to be called back in for severe questioning by anyone other than the fuck ups at Carver County - shocking if you have read anyone it btw.

Group 1 - those there at the end & those that clearly covered up:

Sheila E

Kirky J

Meron

Judith Hill

Phaedra

I am sure there were a few more but from memory these were the main ones.

Group 2 - those who worked with him in his final year or so

All of 3rd eye girl

& anyone else you can think of.

Ultimatley it's safe to say that P was highly dependant on meds for years & pushed younger employees / staff of P. Park to get his meds for him - shocking but seemingly true. It's too easy to say they should have intevened but anyone who has been close to an addict knows it's an impossible task.

The thing that we need to know is what the help hapened in the final day, who got the pills, where were they from & what the hell happened after his body was found - why was his body moved etc.

I read Jay Corn's book and I do not recall any statements that Prince's body was moved.

Does anyone else who read this book remember seeing this?