leec1 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

I honestly think the book that Jay Corn did brings together all you need to know. I understand from his social media that a further investigation is under way? Given the age of information we are in the truth will out eventually. One thing that came through from the book was that he did not die in the elevator, his body was moved there.

There are 2 groups that need to be called back in for severe questioning by anyone other than the fuck ups at Carver County - shocking if you have read anyone it btw.

Group 1 - those there at the end & those that clearly covered up:

Sheila E

Kirky J

Meron

Judith Hill

Phaedra

I am sure there were a few more but from memory these were the main ones.

Group 2 - those who worked with him in his final year or so

All of 3rd eye girl

& anyone else you can think of.

Ultimatley it's safe to say that P was highly dependant on meds for years & pushed younger employees / staff of P. Park to get his meds for him - shocking but seemingly true. It's too easy to say they should have intevened but anyone who has been close to an addict knows it's an impossible task.

The thing that we need to know is what the help hapened in the final day, who got the pills, where were they from & what the hell happened after his body was found - why was his body moved etc.

I read Jay Corn's book and I do not recall any statements that Prince's body was moved.

Does anyone else who read this book remember seeing this?

I don't recall seeing it either.

PennyPurple said:

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't recall seeing it either.

Jay Corn's book is hardly credible in terms of his analysis and mostly includes the already available investigation files anyway. Corn is merely a crass exploiter. But if people are too lazy to simply read through the files themselves, I guess they deserve terrible, self-published 'authors' like Jay Corn.

Oh, I've read thru the files.

PennyPurple said:

OperatingThetan said:

PennyPurple said: Jay Corn's book is hardly credible in terms of his analysis and mostly includes the already available investigation files anyway. Corn is merely a crass exploiter. But if people are too lazy to simply read through the files themselves, I guess they deserve terrible, self-published 'authors' like Jay Corn.

Oh, I've read thru the files.

I have also read the files. The problem as stated previously is that there are members making statments in this thread as if they are fact. These members have most likely not read the investigative files completely or have forgotten various facts.

I don't pretend to having a perfect memory. If I was going to state something as fact, I would recheck the information before I posted it.

poppys said:

iamafan said:

I too can’t get past him OD’ing twice in a week.

Get past it and move on with your life. Take what you like about Prince, and make THAT your focus.

Thank you, very well said!!!!!

AnnaStesia10 said:

I dont think there are any facts or evidence that his body was moved into the elevator, just theories and speculations. To make it look like he was trying to get help vs. passing away on his bed or somewhere else in the house of an o.d.

This is why I speculate, feeds the 'narrative'.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

I honestly think the book that Jay Corn did brings together all you need to know. I understand from his social media that a further investigation is under way? Given the age of information we are in the truth will out eventually. One thing that came through from the book was that he did not die in the elevator, his body was moved there.

There are 2 groups that need to be called back in for severe questioning by anyone other than the fuck ups at Carver County - shocking if you have read anyone it btw.

Group 1 - those there at the end & those that clearly covered up:

Sheila E

Kirky J

Meron

Judith Hill

Phaedra

I am sure there were a few more but from memory these were the main ones.

Group 2 - those who worked with him in his final year or so

All of 3rd eye girl

& anyone else you can think of.

Ultimatley it's safe to say that P was highly dependant on meds for years & pushed younger employees / staff of P. Park to get his meds for him - shocking but seemingly true. It's too easy to say they should have intevened but anyone who has been close to an addict knows it's an impossible task.

The thing that we need to know is what the help hapened in the final day, who got the pills, where were they from & what the hell happened after his body was found - why was his body moved etc.

I would love if a further investigation was under way. I have read all the files (that I am aware of), and the fact that Kirk just kept pleading the 5th on everything, and Meron and Phaedra never had to say anything makes me think the investigation was not very complete.

I would love for whoever created those pills to go to jail. Not just for Prince but for all the people that have taken those pills. Of course, Prince could have procured them himself, and if that is the case, then maybe that secret has been taken to his grave.

People can think that Kirk et al were his friends and this is disrespectful. In my view, these people were not friends. (And throw Larry in that group too). I think they are covering their own asses to a degree too. What they're covering, I have no idea. But I think if they truly cared about Prince, they would want whoever created these pills to get their due. I hesitate to call them enablers because I get the impression that if you didn't help Prince get whatever he wanted, you were cut out. So if you wanted to keep your job, you did as told.

And, why is Phaedra even in the picture? I thought she had been fired a year prior? I was always confused as to why she was the one that arranged the whole botched Kornfeld thing.

And, to all of those that are telling me and others to move on, why are you even on this thread? You seem to already know what happened to Prince, isn't this thread keeping you from moving on? You all congratulate each other on your snappy comments- its really funny and stops nobody from having original thoughts.

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looby said:

poppys said:

Get past it and move on with your life. Take what you like about Prince, and make THAT your focus.

Thank you, very well said!!!!!

Thanks. Prince was about life, not death. As we all should be. That is the example he set for us.

Some here make everything about him into a soap opera that they can embroider manufactured fantasy details into. His personal life, his death details, his privacy as a human being. Nothing really to do with the man or the artist at all. Nothing but a fetish that feeds them somehow, and a sad fetish at that. No wonder he called some of his fans fanatics, they are. And almost 4 years later, they are still feeding the negative, and getting off on it.

iamafan said:

macaylasdad said:

Makes sense... I can buy that, the one loose pill that was found in the bed is suspect to me. What i don't understand is... WHY? They move him to the elevator, what did that accomplish? Prince was still dead from an OD, they had to know he OD? Why not call the paramedics? If there was a cover-up? None of those people involved had anything to gain from Prince's death? As for Shelia (who I don't trust AT ALL) apprantently she was estranged from Prince for years, why would Kirk text her (Kirk if you are reading this, can you explain why?) Was those text messages ever recovered and has any asked Shelia about it? Ugh, so many questions I have!

The text came from Sheila, I don't think there is evidence of Kirk texting her.

My theory... Prince took the pills shortly after he came home (last email I think was 8:04 or something). Meron stated she and Kirk were there until 10:30. I think they found him that night, dead in his bed. I think they dressed him, and put him in the elevator and left.

No. In the pictures of the elevator, there were clear stains by the button panel of what looked like saliva or liquid, as if someone was regurgitating or coughing something up onto it. Prince unfortunately died in the elevator. His body was not moved. There was a trail of clothing leading from his room to the the hallway. Gloves, jacket, etc. He most likely was rushing in a panic since he realized what happened. It was too late.

AnnaStesia10 said:

His untimely death is part of his life narrative now. Yeah we all know Prince is more than what happened to him - his music, his art, that is what is so important. But I feel there are some here that still cannot get that because he means so much to us we cannot fully accept what went down with him. That does not mean we are obsessed and it is a fetish thing. We all have lives here. Prince's death happened, there is no denial there. However there are still so many unanswered questions surronding his death. Hence why topics like this here still are coming up on the Org and FB, etc. The convo will never fully end.

No one's death is untimely - you die when you die. You're saying if Prince had died in a car wreck or something like that you would be able to let go? I very much doubt that.

His spirit deserves the privacy and mystery that all human death deserves. But you and others insist on making it your personal business and manufacture immature reasons why you need to go over and over and over it, adding and subtracting whatever details you want and trying to pretend it's real. That is totally about a hole inside you, we all have them. Really has nothing to do with Prince.

So you will continue to create false narratives and people like me will continue to say this is not a positive thing to do. That's fine.

AnnaStesia10 said:

His untimely death is part of his life narrative now. Yeah we all know Prince is more than what happened to him - his music, his art, that is what is so important. But I feel there are some here that still cannot get that because he means so much to us we cannot fully accept what went down with him. That does not mean we are obsessed and it is a fetish thing. We all have lives here. Prince's death happened, there is no denial there. However there are still so many unanswered questions surronding his death. Hence why topics like this here still are coming up on the Org and FB, etc. The convo will never fully end.

poppys said:

No one's death is untimely - you die when you die. You're saying if Prince had died in a car wreck or something like that you would be able to let go? I very much doubt that.

His spirit deserves the privacy and mystery that all human death deserves. But you and others insist on making it your personal business and manufacture immature reasons why you need to go over and over and over it, adding and subtracting whatever details you want and trying to pretend it's real. That is totally about a hole inside you, we all have them. Really has nothing to do with Prince.

So you will continue to create false narratives and people like me will continue to say this is not a positive thing to do. That's fine.

AnnaStesia10 said:

Whatever poppys. You can say and believe what you want all day long. You are trying to stir up mess on this thread. We can just agree to disagree thats all.

Interesting that my voice is the one you describe as "stirrng up mess on this thread". I'm not alone here either.

Aren't we all supposed to be able to post our views on Prince's death? Or it is because I'm not in the mosh pit of gory detail lovers, details that have been rehashed on like 100 threads now? You mind your business, and I mind mine. You can't scold me into not speaking on the thread, not gonna happen.

[Edited 11/23/19 9:46am]

TrcikyChristopher said:

iamafan said:

The text came from Sheila, I don't think there is evidence of Kirk texting her.

My theory... Prince took the pills shortly after he came home (last email I think was 8:04 or something). Meron stated she and Kirk were there until 10:30. I think they found him that night, dead in his bed. I think they dressed him, and put him in the elevator and left.

No. In the pictures of the elevator, there were clear stains by the button panel of what looked like saliva or liquid, as if someone was regurgitating or coughing something up onto it. Prince unfortunately died in the elevator. His body was not moved. There was a trail of clothing leading from his room to the the hallway. Gloves, jacket, etc. He most likely was rushing in a panic since he realized what happened. It was too late.

Some of the reasons I question that Prince was running to the elevator to get help:

-No one was present at Paisley that night.Who was he running to? Why not phone?

-why take the time to put on a jacket, hat and socks if you are dying., esp socks?? You would just run.

-He was in withdrawal on 4/20 and could have easily 'thrown up' on the elevator wall on the way back from Dr. S. before getting to his room.

-That exudate (vomit?) was never tested.

leec1 said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh, I've read thru the files.

I have also read the files. The problem as stated previously is that there are members making statments in this thread as if they are fact. These members have most likely not read the investigative files completely or have forgotten various facts.

I don't pretend to having a perfect memory. If I was going to state something as fact, I would recheck the information before I posted it.

Exactly. I like to stick to the facts, not assumptions. That's why I spoke up.

AnnaStesia10 said:

Whatever poppys. You can say and believe what you want all day long. You are trying to stir up mess on this thread. We can just agree to disagree thats all.

poppys said:

Interesting that my voice is the one you describe as "stirrng up mess on this thread". I'm not alone here either.

Aren't we all supposed to be able to post our views on Prince's death? Or it is because I'm not in the mosh pit of gory detail lovers, details that have been rehashed on like 100 threads now? You mind your business, and I mind mine. You can't scold me into not speaking on the thread, not gonna happen.

AnnaStesia10 said:

But yet you are on this thread reading the gory details. So it is apparent to me you do like discussing this topic. So yeah, you are right where u need to be.

Nope, I skim the gory details. I've read them countless times before, and the stuff that gets added is very predictable, easy to follow along. Especially since it's all manufactured bullshit.

I have as much right to be on this thread and say what I want as anyone else does. So you can't kick me out that way either. Nice try though.

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PeggyO said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

I could be wrong, but I thought that nobody knew what the stuff was on the elevator? I know they got a swab a few days later, but I don't know that I ever saw the results? I also never heard of anyone saying the elevator smelled like vomit. Given how warm it was in PP when he was found, I am thinking it would've smelled terrible if there was vomit in there.

PeggyO, totally agree that he would not have put his socks and hat on if he was running for help. Lets go back to Moline for a minute...

From JH's testimony, he went back to his bag, came back, had a few bites to eat, then went blank. It was like there was no 'in-between'. He never gave any indication of panic. If he knew he was in trouble, he never let on or screamed for help. He was 'there' one minute and not the next. I doubt PP was any different. Based on the first OD, it didn't seem like he knew when things got bad, it just hit him. So I have a hard time thinking there was time or he would have the cognitive ability to put on socks, hat, whatever and run to the elevator. (Or even just run to the elevator).

For those of you that like to stick to facts, the only FACTS are that Prince died of a Fentanyl OD. No witnesses, no facts. (And even then, the truth isn't always told). Your 'facts' are no truer than our theories.

my issue is with all the games kirk did to avoid dealing with anything

OperatingThetan said:

Prince was found in exactly the same clothing he was pictured wearing to the doctors the day before on CCTV camera. There is no evidence he undressed and dressed again. The most likely explanation is that he passed away in the clothes he was already wearing, hence the socks. There are no great mysteries here. Prince either passed away suddenly in the elevator or was running to the elevator for help because he didn't carry a cellphone and was attempting to make his way to the nearest phone at Paisley. There's simply no reason to have Prince vomiting in the elevator earlier unless you are reaching to create a conspiracy theory. We all know how Prince died and what killed him. It's now a global epedemic. I understand that it's hard to accept but that is not an excuse to create morbid fan fiction or cook up warped scenarios with no legitimate basis in fact or credibility.

Thank you, I agree with you.

iamafan said:

I could be wrong, but I thought that nobody knew what the stuff was on the elevator? I know they got a swab a few days later, but I don't know that I ever saw the results? I also never heard of anyone saying the elevator smelled like vomit. Given how warm it was in PP when he was found, I am thinking it would've smelled terrible if there was vomit in there.

PeggyO, totally agree that he would not have put his socks and hat on if he was running for help. Lets go back to Moline for a minute...

From JH's testimony, he went back to his bag, came back, had a few bites to eat, then went blank. It was like there was no 'in-between'. He never gave any indication of panic. If he knew he was in trouble, he never let on or screamed for help. He was 'there' one minute and not the next. I doubt PP was any different. Based on the first OD, it didn't seem like he knew when things got bad, it just hit him. So I have a hard time thinking there was time or he would have the cognitive ability to put on socks, hat, whatever and run to the elevator. (Or even just run to the elevator).

For those of you that like to stick to facts, the only FACTS are that Prince died of a Fentanyl OD. No witnesses, no facts. (And even then, the truth isn't always told). Your 'facts' are no truer than our theories.

The facts are in the investigative files, along with pictures, and the amount of fentanyl in his blood. There is no reason to have a 'theory' when there are facts.

His clothes were the same that he had on when he went to Dr. S office, there is a video of that. He did not have his coat and gloves on, because when he got back from the Dr.'s office he took them off and left them in the hall in his personal quarters.

Some people said he never took the elevator because he hates elevator's. Judith Hill said he used it all the time.

Some people say someone had to get those pills for him, because he didn't drive. Judith Hill said he drove them around at all hours during the night. In Prince's book, Dan said Prince drove. Prince drove him around and he seen Prince driving around.