Just Watched 2010 Concert: Just makes me wonder what really happened to his health between 2010 where he was looking his usual self but at the end of 3rd eye girl started wearing the fro and looking deteriorated. He knew he was on his way out Why he started popping out Albums like crazy as he did during the symbol years as soon as he got the new contract in 2013 with WB suddenly gone.

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Snake said:

I (and most of us) have wondered the same... If you look at his 2010 performances, he was dancing like he used to (mostly)... spins, twirls, crossing legs, etc. I believe he had surgery around 2008/2009. This was also the time when someone close was very concerned about his pain killer use... even posted here. Fast forward to the 3rd Eye Girl phase, and he looked great up until around early 2015... looked healthy and had a full face in the Arsenio Show. Then he declined dramatically and lost much weight, especially in the face.

I saw Prince's epic show at Paisley Park in October of 2009. It was very obvious at that performance that something was wrong with him physically. Granted, it was a three-hour show - but by the second half, he was limping noticeably. I mean, to the point that he was almost dragging his left foot. I can see it in my mind's eye as clearly as if it were yesterday.

His hip problems are not a "narrative" - they are fact. He had a surgical scar on his left hip. That kind of thing doesn't happen by accident or as a result of something inconsequential.

People ask, "How could he perform at such a high level if he was in pain?" I'll tell you how. When you are a performer, no matter how awful you feel the second before you hit that stage or how awful you feel the second after you make your exit, you do what you need to do when you're out there. I have delivered performances when my throat was absolutely on fire or I had a terrible cough or a fever. I just put a cough drop in my cheek and went on. (Yes, I once performed an entire play with a cough drop in my mouth and no one was the wiser.) Maybe it's adrenaline, maybe it's professionalism, maybe it's love. People are depending on you - you just find a way until you absolutely can't, anymore.

I firmly believe that had Prince had proper pain management (and hadn't had to resort to illicit sources), he would be alive today. What we really don't know is why he didn't have that. Was it pride? Shame? Fear of people knowing he was struggling and having that blow his mystique?

That is the part we really don't know.

here's what hapened.....he was given the first warning on the plane.....God dont give u more than a warning/ chance.......and took him when Prince didnt heed the warning.

antonb said:

It’s quite easily done, my mum did the same, took painkillers etc, and got addicted to them. Prince must have been in pain, but tried to carry on with self medicating. And eventually took to much in one dose,

Except that isn't what happened. He didn't take "too much in one dose." He took something that had no effective dose, because it was an unregulated, uncontrolled, illegal substance. A pill that was pressed by a criminal and purchased on the street or over the internet. Prince died because he had no fucking clue what he was taking. He might just as well have sat in Paisley Park, put a gun to his own head, and played Russian roulette.

Giovanni777 said:

laytonian said:

Genesia said:

Genesia said:

Genesia said:

I firmly believe that had Prince had proper pain management (and hadn't had to resort to illicit sources), he would be alive today. What we really don't know is why he didn't have that. Was it pride? Shame? Fear of people knowing he was struggling and having that blow his mystique?

That is the part we really don't know.

It's probably easier to pop a pill than see a chiropractor and if you're doing it to alleviate physical pain you don't think of it as being drug dependent or a drug addict.

rogifan said:

Madhouse6 said:

The amount he had in his body and also the the incident the previous week he knew he could go on his own terms. My own feeling is that he was terminal, taking stronger and stronger meds, he was badly constipated, probably depressed and decide that as he probably didn’t have long went out on his terms. 21st a full Pink/Cherry moon and we all now how interested he was in moon phases and numbers (2+1+4)

Sadly, I believe you're correct. 😢

He trusted the wrong people!

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mk456 said:

mk456 said:

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Cycling is mostly fine for your hips unless you're doing a silly amount of it, and the corporate media would get a lot more money from selling sensation over a rather drab painkiller overdose story.

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LOL. Oh man, take a step back and look at yourself. Like all conspiracy theorists you're correctly identifying a problem with the world and jumping to an insane diagnosis. Prince's last full band gig was a private party for a Russian billionaire, he wasn't fighting to take down any secret elite cabals.

As for Warner Brothers, do you realise how small the music business has become this past 20 years? Prince's work is worth a pittance on the scale of things.

Having said all that, the deletion of the instagram post caption, that has always left me wondering as well. It actually happened.

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Genesia said:

antonb said:

It’s quite easily done, my mum did the same, took painkillers etc, and got addicted to them. Prince must have been in pain, but tried to carry on with self medicating. And eventually took to much in one dose,

Except that isn't what happened. He didn't take "too much in one dose." He took something that had no effective dose, because it was an unregulated, uncontrolled, illegal substance. A pill that was pressed by a criminal and purchased on the street or over the internet. Prince died because he had no fucking clue what he was taking. He might just as well have sat in Paisley Park, put a gun to his own head, and played Russian roulette.

Still the same, just what i said, he thought he was taking painkillers so he could carry on living the life he wanted. That it had too much substance in it, was by the by, thats the risk you take buying or taking drugs from iilegal means. He wasnt stupid, he will have known it was illegal. And did reach out for help from that doctor, but it turned out it was too late. He was trying to carry on being Prince, still doing shows , still recording but he realised it wasnt possible and he needed to sort himself out by reaching out to that specialist doctor that flew out. He left it too late.

For what it's worth remember this. P was fully to blame - issues with meds are well documented from 2010 onwards...am I right in thinking he nearly died in 2010 too?

The creation of a purple mystery, creating a superhero image of timelessness, protecting the brand of Prince, not wanting to worry those around, intense need for privacy etc led to many dark tales of how he acted & self managed. It's tragic, it's brutal & it hurts like hell BUT just accept that he was human, had his faults & behaved like many people who were dependent on meds. He was surrounded by "yes" men & women because he designed it that way...any sign of resistance & you were gone.

100% agree that Kirky J , Phaedra , Jill & Meron need to be questioned fully again - probably more so on the shredding of documents & the stuff they bloody stole! However the upshot is that P made his choices & paid the price.

I am just so thankful for all he gave us & consider myself blessed to have lived in the era of Prince in real time.

Genesia said:

I saw Prince's epic show at Paisley Park in October of 2009. It was very obvious at that performance that something was wrong with him physically. Granted, it was a three-hour show - but by the second half, he was limping noticeably. I mean, to the point that he was almost dragging his left foot. I can see it in my mind's eye as clearly as if it were yesterday.

His hip problems are not a "narrative" - they are fact. He had a surgical scar on his left hip. That kind of thing doesn't happen by accident or as a result of something inconsequential.

People ask, "How could he perform at such a high level if he was in pain?" I'll tell you how. When you are a performer, no matter how awful you feel the second before you hit that stage or how awful you feel the second after you make your exit, you do what you need to do when you're out there. I have delivered performances when my throat was absolutely on fire or I had a terrible cough or a fever. I just put a cough drop in my cheek and went on. (Yes, I once performed an entire play with a cough drop in my mouth and no one was the wiser.) Maybe it's adrenaline, maybe it's professionalism, maybe it's love. People are depending on you - you just find a way until you absolutely can't, anymore.

I firmly believe that had Prince had proper pain management (and hadn't had to resort to illicit sources), he would be alive today. What we really don't know is why he didn't have that. Was it pride? Shame? Fear of people knowing he was struggling and having that blow his mystique?

That is the part we really don't know.

Amen to this. The amount of artists who perform through pain is incalculable. If it's a physical performance it will take it's toll. It's the equivalent of asking an elite sports person to perform multiple times per week instead of once every weekend. Look at Gaga, she sufferes from an incredibly debilitating condition + she recently fell off stage which was horrific to see. Add the pressure of letting a huge audience / hardcore fans down, ticket agency potential to sue, record company pressure etc - is it any wonder a quick pop of a pill seems like the lesser of 2 evils?

TrcikyChristopher said:

mk456 said:

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Jesus Tap-dancing Christ....

No kidding. This is pathetic. Some people need some serious help.

LOL. Oh man, take a step back and look at yourself. Like all conspiracy theorists you're correctly identifying a problem with the world and jumping to an insane diagnosis. Prince's last full band gig was a private party for a Russian billionaire, he wasn't fighting to take down any secret elite cabals.

As for Warner Brothers, do you realise how small the music business has become this past 20 years? Prince's work is worth a pittance on the scale of things.

Having said all that, the deletion of the instagram post caption, that has always left me wondering as well. It actually happened.

Wonder no more. There's an image of the entire Tweet from Prince, not changed to make people speculate what was really going on.

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endiadj said:

Dauphin said:

Genesia said:

I saw Prince's epic show at Paisley Park in October of 2009. It was very obvious at that performance that something was wrong with him physically. Granted, it was a three-hour show - but by the second half, he was limping noticeably. I mean, to the point that he was almost dragging his left foot. I can see it in my mind's eye as clearly as if it were yesterday.

His hip problems are not a "narrative" - they are fact. He had a surgical scar on his left hip. That kind of thing doesn't happen by accident or as a result of something inconsequential.

People ask, "How could he perform at such a high level if he was in pain?" I'll tell you how. When you are a performer, no matter how awful you feel the second before you hit that stage or how awful you feel the second after you make your exit, you do what you need to do when you're out there. I have delivered performances when my throat was absolutely on fire or I had a terrible cough or a fever. I just put a cough drop in my cheek and went on. (Yes, I once performed an entire play with a cough drop in my mouth and no one was the wiser.) Maybe it's adrenaline, maybe it's professionalism, maybe it's love. People are depending on you - you just find a way until you absolutely can't, anymore.

I firmly believe that had Prince had proper pain management (and hadn't had to resort to illicit sources), he would be alive today. What we really don't know is why he didn't have that. Was it pride? Shame? Fear of people knowing he was struggling and having that blow his mystique?

That is the part we really don't know.

I was at that show and I will support your story. I saw that also. Infact, I don't remember if it was after the first main set, or just before purple rain, but he was up against the speakers in very noticeable pain. But then he went out and magic happened.

Thanks. I didn't see where he was against the speakers (I was off to one side of the stage and he may have been hidden from me, at that point), but I totally believe you.

And, yes - that show was absolutely magical. It is the one show I would (almost) kill to have a recording of. Sadly, I don't believe one exists - except, perhaps, in the vault.

I think it was a tragedy and an episode of missadventure. Prince, we all know, was a VERY mentally strong person. He was also VERY proud and hated the idea of anyone knowing he was weak/sick/addicted/slipping, etc. He also strongly distrusted medicine and doctors, being a Jehovah's Witness. He thought, foolishly, that he could 'weather the storm' of any illness/sickness/physical pain, etc., privately and "under the table". Therefore, he procured drugs secretely from sketchy sources. That evening as he was alone in Paisley Park he was in a bit of pain and decided to take a few what-he-thought were painkillers. What he accidentaly took was laced with Fentanyl...and this killed him.

Also, he was busy, planning concerts, writing a biography, etc., at he time of his passing. Also, he was discovered outside the elevator on Level 1...a random place to take one's life. I think he was trying to get help (remember Prince had no cell phone)...

Accidental Drug Overdose.

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