iamafan said:

What happened to Prince is he overdosed on non-prescribed opiods laced with fentanyl. Prince was NOT murdered by no one in his inner circle, not by WB not by his family. NONE of them had anything to gain, the estate has been in shambles since he died, more money going out than coming in. Prince not having a will only complicates things.

Prince was an addict, he struggled with pain and got addicted to vicodin, this was probably going on for many years. Who ever was getting him his pills knew who that was. If on 4/21/16 his took 3 perocets, he probably would not of died, taking 3 perocets laced with fentanyl would and is deadly. Had Prince knew it would of killed him, he would not of taken it. There was IMO an attempt to cover up his addiction, but not his death. The inner circle will have to live with any part of that cover up for the rest of thier lives. Whomever manufactured the pills are resosponsible for Prince's death and of course, so is Prince.

There is no conspiracy here, many things were missed in the investigation, Moline, his hospital visit on 4/15/16, the planning of him going to recovery without walls (when there was a rehab couple miles down the road).

The VERY sad thing is and not mentioned all the often as it should be.... Prince was hours away from getting the help he desperately needed, had he did, he most likely still be here with us.

iamafan said:

I'm sick on the couch with nothing to do, so I have been reading more and more Prince stuff. Have you seen the website called princeinvestigationfile5.com? It has a some interesting info. Like I always thought Kirk dropped Prince off at 8 pm and he was left alone. That website shows that Kirk and Meron was there much later. (According to Meron's testimony). There's also a photo of NPG music club stairs the Kirk sent at 9:48 pm inadvertantly to Michael Schumberg. Of course, he could have been home when he sent it.

Also shares that Sheila E texted Kirk at 2:35 am the day Prince died, so there is obviously a bit of a coverup in terms of when he was discovered. Sheila E apparently said she overhead someone say that Price died in his bedroom and he was taken to the elevator.

Sorry if you guys are all aware of this stuff. I was not, so that is why I am sharing.

[Edited 11/16/19 19:21pm]

It's OK with me but some orgers may be upset with this ongoing conversation...

I think I vaguely remember a text from Sheila and the stairs have been mentioned before.

How late did it say they Kirk and Meron were there?

There has been ongoing speculation about the backwards clothes and the elevator.

rogifan said:

laytonian said:

looby said: I have confirmed that with people who were close to him and knew. His illness was caused by opioids, which damage your liver, cause nausea, weight loss and constipation. Every symptom he was exhibiting but did not recognize. He had a drug problem from the early 2000s. Don't fall for the rumors .

If you're going to throw this out here then how about naming some names.

I was thinking about liver failure as well but there are a couple of symptoms he did not have which are significant:

• nausea
• loss of appetite
• ·fatigue
• diarrhea
• jaundice, a yellowish color of the skin and eyes . He was pale but not jaundiced.
• weight loss
• bruising or bleeding easily
• itching
• edema, or fluid buildup in the legs . He did not have swollen ankles/lower extremities
• ascites, or fluid buildup in the abdomen He did not have ascites, his stomach was flat.

Once again, constipation was from sig. opiate use.

macaylasdad said:

What happened to Prince is he overdosed on non-prescribed opiods laced with fentanyl. Prince was NOT murdered by no one in his inner circle, not by WB not by his family. NONE of them had anything to gain, the estate has been in shambles since he died, more money going out than coming in. Prince not having a will only complicates things.

Prince was an addict, he struggled with pain and got addicted to vicodin, this was probably going on for many years. Who ever was getting him his pills knew who that was. If on 4/21/16 his took 3 perocets, he probably would not of died, taking 3 perocets laced with fentanyl would and is deadly. Had Prince knew it would of killed him, he would not of taken it. There was IMO an attempt to cover up his addiction, but not his death. The inner circle will have to live with any part of that cover up for the rest of thier lives. Whomever manufactured the pills are resosponsible for Prince's death and of course, so is Prince.

There is no conspiracy here, many things were missed in the investigation, Moline, his hospital visit on 4/15/16, the planning of him going to recovery without walls (when there was a rehab couple miles down the road).

The VERY sad thing is and not mentioned all the often as it should be.... Prince was hours away from getting the help he desperately needed, had he did, he most likely still be here with us.

Very well said. I also think that it's not just those that manufactured the pills, but also those who got them for him.

casi1 said:

Snake said:

Just Watched 2010 Concert: Just makes me wonder what really happened to his health between 2010 where he was looking his usual self but at the end of 3rd eye girl started wearing the fro and looking deteriorated. He knew he was on his way out Why he started popping out Albums like crazy as he did during the symbol years as soon as he got the new contract in 2013 with WB suddenly gone.

The world will never know. I think that one day, someone in the purple circle will tell us the truth (the same way Princess Diana’s circle peeps are still writing books nowadays) but even then, the info might not be 100%. We will never know. I agree with you that something changed after 2010, but whatever that was, it started sliding rapidly downhill in early 2015. I’m thinking either dirty pill use increased or some kind of terminal illness that stopped being treated in 2014-ish. If it were dirty pills, I would have expected a few obvious performance issues during appearances but he could have been high functioning. Who knows. My personal opinion is that P was depressed, embarrassed about the addiction, was headed to rehab and knew it, and felt like he had done all that he was here to do. He had just peed in a cup for testing...and he had to know what results would show. The whole world would know that he was abusing pills and what would we, the fans, think. Can’t control the current situation so find another way to control it. I don’t believe that he thought those particular pills were ‘fine’ given that he refused to name the source of them at the hospital near Quad Cities. I just think he was done. In hindsight, I feel like the only way he would have survived that night is if someone close to him risked pissing him off and ending the relationship forever by intervening/kidnapping his @ss and physically taking him to Recovery Without Walls. Years later, P might have enjoyed the mystery of the ‘wheres Prince?’ saga but at that moment, I’m sure he would have been angry AF. This is all just my opinion. He was clearly in some kind of physical pain, but was it the hips or the hands? Or both. I have the feeling that his hips were better than they had been in years but his hand pain was significant. [Edited 11/16/19 8:45am]

They wouldnt need to kidnap P to take him to Recovery Without Walls.

It is not an inpatient treatment program, thus the name, Recovery Without Walls.

P was in total control, as usual.

iamafan said:

laytonian said:

Nope. He had no other illness except what the opioids were doing to his body. He was not being treated for any other disease. Logic tells us that he wouldn't have gone to Dr S and undergone a full battery of blood/urine tests. He had no clue what was in one pill versus another, as evidenced by these events:
1 - Asking for a legal opioid from Dr S (in Kirk's name). The only reason to do that is to compare the street drugs to the prescription version. They were both identical, as confirmed by the cursory examination of the pills by the Moline hospital pharmacist.
2 - There was no fentanyl in his system per the 4/20 tests yet very few of the legal pills had been taken.
3 - It would take very few of the illegal pills to kill him, since an amount of fentanyl equal to three grains of salt would have been fatal. Imagine what one or two of those pills would have contained.

Regarding Number 1, if he got the legal Opiod in Kirk's name, then why didn't he take the recently prescribed one if he had trouble discerning legal from street the night he died? The Moline pharmacy only tested one pill from that Bayer bottle, and it was found to be Norco. But who knows what he really took.

Not sure what you mean about number 2. The fact he didn't have fentanyl in his system on the 20th doesn't mean he didn't take fentanyl-laced pills the night of Moline. Fentanyl stays in your system 24-72 hours depending on what they test (unless it is hair, which results would not have come back that fast). It would have been out of his system by the 20th.

I read a very detailed transcript of what happened in Moline and what was found at Paisley Park (that was released due to FOIA. I am sure you guys have all read it, I just came across it). While at the hospital, he denied being sick or recently being sick. I found it intersting though that they found clindamycin and an anti-viral had been prescribed April 19th from CVS, and the pills were found in the trash at PP. The name of who was prescribed them was redacted, but assuming it was Prince.

It's all just heartbreaking. I know people die every day, but he was one special person.

Not true.

The pill was NEVER tested in Moline. It was only given a visual inspection.

PeggyO said:

It's OK with me but some orgers may be upset with this ongoing conversation...

I think I vaguely remember a text from Sheila and the stairs have been mentioned before.

How late did it say they Kirk and Meron were there?

There has been ongoing speculation about the backwards clothes and the elevator.

I think it said they both left around 10:00 pm.

Remember, Sheila was probably in California when she sent that text to Kirk, and I think it is a 2 hour difference with MN.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeggyO said:

It's OK with me but some orgers may be upset with this ongoing conversation...

I think I vaguely remember a text from Sheila and the stairs have been mentioned before.

How late did it say they Kirk and Meron were there?

There has been ongoing speculation about the backwards clothes and the elevator.

I think it said they both left around 10:00 pm.

Remember, Sheila was probably in California when she sent that text to Kirk, and I think it is a 2 hour difference with MN.

Oh, yeah...thx!

My money is on some sort of liver issue brought on by the years of pill usage - then an accidental OD when couldn't procure enough legal ones. They're quite difficult to obtain legally, even for someone with Prince's clout.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

iamafan said:

Regarding Number 1, if he got the legal Opiod in Kirk's name, then why didn't he take the recently prescribed one if he had trouble discerning legal from street the night he died? The Moline pharmacy only tested one pill from that Bayer bottle, and it was found to be Norco. But who knows what he really took.

Not sure what you mean about number 2. The fact he didn't have fentanyl in his system on the 20th doesn't mean he didn't take fentanyl-laced pills the night of Moline. Fentanyl stays in your system 24-72 hours depending on what they test (unless it is hair, which results would not have come back that fast). It would have been out of his system by the 20th.

I read a very detailed transcript of what happened in Moline and what was found at Paisley Park (that was released due to FOIA. I am sure you guys have all read it, I just came across it). While at the hospital, he denied being sick or recently being sick. I found it intersting though that they found clindamycin and an anti-viral had been prescribed April 19th from CVS, and the pills were found in the trash at PP. The name of who was prescribed them was redacted, but assuming it was Prince.

It's all just heartbreaking. I know people die every day, but he was one special person.

Not true.

The pill was NEVER tested in Moline. It was only given a visual inspection.

Sorry, you are right. It says it was sent to the pharmacist who said it was Norco. My mistake.

PennyPurple said:

macaylasdad said:

What happened to Prince is he overdosed on non-prescribed opiods laced with fentanyl. Prince was NOT murdered by no one in his inner circle, not by WB not by his family. NONE of them had anything to gain, the estate has been in shambles since he died, more money going out than coming in. Prince not having a will only complicates things.

Prince was an addict, he struggled with pain and got addicted to vicodin, this was probably going on for many years. Who ever was getting him his pills knew who that was. If on 4/21/16 his took 3 perocets, he probably would not of died, taking 3 perocets laced with fentanyl would and is deadly. Had Prince knew it would of killed him, he would not of taken it. There was IMO an attempt to cover up his addiction, but not his death. The inner circle will have to live with any part of that cover up for the rest of thier lives. Whomever manufactured the pills are resosponsible for Prince's death and of course, so is Prince.

There is no conspiracy here, many things were missed in the investigation, Moline, his hospital visit on 4/15/16, the planning of him going to recovery without walls (when there was a rehab couple miles down the road).

The VERY sad thing is and not mentioned all the often as it should be.... Prince was hours away from getting the help he desperately needed, had he did, he most likely still be here with us.

Very well said. I also think that it's not just those that manufactured the pills, but also those who got them for him.

Very true... Someone knows something and 3+ years later still is not talking. I guess Prince's privacy is worth more than the justice that should be served to those additionally responsible for his death

Though I prefer transparency as I think it is healing, this does not seem to be the decision.

People can tell when the real truth is being shared and I don't think we are quite there yet.

I've made my peace with that.

PeggyO said:

rogifan said:

If you're going to throw this out here then how about naming some names.

I was thinking about liver failure as well but there are a couple of symptoms he did not have which are significant:

• nausea
• loss of appetite
• ·fatigue
• diarrhea
• jaundice, a yellowish color of the skin and eyes . He was pale but not jaundiced.
• weight loss
• bruising or bleeding easily
• itching
• edema, or fluid buildup in the legs . He did not have swollen ankles/lower extremities
• ascites, or fluid buildup in the abdomen He did not have ascites, his stomach was flat.

Once again, constipation was from sig. opiate use.

1. We don't know this
2. He looked very thin to me
3. He looked very tired to me as well and his memoir writer assistant guy said he seemed fatigued. Others have commented on his "low energy" and what have you. His last tour was centered around him being seated and having a stripped down show.
4. We don't know this
5. To the contrary. He did seem to have a yellowish tint towards the end (to me). He also routinely wore a lot of makeup.
6. Check
7. WE don't know
8. Don't know
9. True I guess. Although I don't recall really seeing his legs and he was wearing flares and loose fitting pants a lot but I'll be generous and say "no"
10. I couldn't really see his stomach either but let's assume it was fine.

I can't definitively rule any of these symptoms out and, to the contrary, can confirm several of them.

Liver issues make the most sense to me. Occam's Razor and all that.

One of the weirdest things to me was the rough and fairly unkempt nature of that fro. Prince was meticulous about his appearance and definitely his hair. Quite often, that shit was loose, unshaped and kind of let go. The timing of that heavily staged, doctored and touched up passport photo was odd in a "hey, look at me! I'm fine " way. The sudden rush to gather together a memoir felt odd.

There were also noticeable bags under his (sometimes glassy) eyes and, yeah, I get he was in his mid 50's, but they seemed to come on FAST. And the "wait a few days before you WASTE your prayers" is eerie. Some of the lyrics on AoA grab me.

It wasn't suicide or murder. It was an accident but I still think there was a little more going on.

herb4 said:

PeggyO said:

I was thinking about liver failure as well but there are a couple of symptoms he did not have which are significant:

• nausea
• loss of appetite
• ·fatigue
• diarrhea
• jaundice, a yellowish color of the skin and eyes . He was pale but not jaundiced.
• weight loss
• bruising or bleeding easily
• itching
• edema, or fluid buildup in the legs . He did not have swollen ankles/lower extremities
• ascites, or fluid buildup in the abdomen He did not have ascites, his stomach was flat.

Once again, constipation was from sig. opiate use.

1. We don't know this
2. He looked very thin to me
3. He looked very tired to me as well and his memoir writer assistant guy said he seemed fatigued. Others have commented on his "low energy" and what have you. His last tour was centered around him being seated and having a stripped down show.
4. We don't know this
5. To the contrary. He did seem to have a yellowish tint towards the end (to me). He also routinely wore a lot of makeup.
6. Check
7. WE don't know
8. Don't know
9. True I guess. Although I don't recall really seeing his legs and he was wearing flares and loose fitting pants a lot but I'll be generous and say "no"
10. I couldn't really see his stomach either but let's assume it was fine.

I can't definitively rule any of these symptoms out and, to the contrary, can confirm several of them.

Liver issues make the most sense to me. Occam's Razor and all that.

One of the weirdest things to me was the rough and fairly unkempt nature of that fro. Prince was meticulous about his appearance and definitely his hair. Quite often, that shit was loose, unshaped and kind of let go. The timing of that heavily staged, doctored and touched up passport photo was odd in a "hey, look at me! I'm fine " way. The sudden rush to gather together a memoir felt odd.

There were also noticeable bags under his (sometimes glassy) eyes and, yeah, I get he was in his mid 50's, but they seemed to come on FAST. And the "wait a few days before you WASTE your prayers" is eerie. Some of the lyrics on AoA grab me.

It wasn't suicide or murder. It was an accident but I still think there was a little more going on.

he was an addict that got illegal pills that killed him...that's what was going on... This happens everyday within the US, Prince was a celebrity that's why it gets/got the attention that it did.

onlyforaminute said:

I don't know who mac Miller is but 3 people were arrested for selling him the fentanyl laced counterfeit oxy that killed him. There are pages and pages online on how rampant it is. Nothing about it is uncommon or unique. It's a bit disheartening to keep saying this is all about preserving his image, seems pointless at this juncture. All you're left with is an eve growing list of conspiracies.

When I heard about that I thought, when is someone or whoever more people that's involved gonna be arrested for selling to Prince. Fans can of Mac Miller can care about him. I care about Prince and it's sad that nobody's been held accountable even if he did take part in his demise. This has been the best comments on this board about this matter, instead of that "murder" shit! Finally people talking some sense.

PeggyO said:

rogifan said:

If you're going to throw this out here then how about naming some names.

I thought about liver failure/damage, but usually a person becomes fairly jaundiced (yellow) and develops a very large abdomen with fluid, called ascites. Just a thought.

Constipation was caused by the opiates.

Well I would say the same thing to someone claiming he had cancer or aids or whatever from inside sources. Who? Kirk? Tyka? Kiran? Sheila?a bodyguard? A chef?

TurnItUp said:

onlyforaminute said:

I don't know who mac Miller is but 3 people were arrested for selling him the fentanyl laced counterfeit oxy that killed him. There are pages and pages online on how rampant it is. Nothing about it is uncommon or unique. It's a bit disheartening to keep saying this is all about preserving his image, seems pointless at this juncture. All you're left with is an eve growing list of conspiracies.

When I heard about that I thought, when is someone or whoever more people that's involved gonna be arrested for selling to Prince. Fans can of Mac Miller can care about him. I care about Prince and it's sad that nobody's been held accountable even if he did take part in his demise. This has been the best comments on this board about this matter, instead of that "murder" shit! Finally people talking some sense.

Well IF we are supposed to believe it's as simple as Prince was a long time pill addict and illegally got some bad pills that killed him then the only person to be held accountable is dead. The dead person is the one who sought out pills via illegal means and ingested them. Of course as I've said previously no one who offers these simple explanations ever seems to have one for why he was popping pills in the first place.

herb4 said:

PeggyO said:

I was thinking about liver failure as well but there are a couple of symptoms he did not have which are significant:

• nausea
• loss of appetite
• ·fatigue
• diarrhea
• jaundice, a yellowish color of the skin and eyes . He was pale but not jaundiced.
• weight loss
• bruising or bleeding easily
• itching
• edema, or fluid buildup in the legs . He did not have swollen ankles/lower extremities
• ascites, or fluid buildup in the abdomen He did not have ascites, his stomach was flat.

Once again, constipation was from sig. opiate use.

1. We don't know this
2. He looked very thin to me
3. He looked very tired to me as well and his memoir writer assistant guy said he seemed fatigued. Others have commented on his "low energy" and what have you. His last tour was centered around him being seated and having a stripped down show.
4. We don't know this
5. To the contrary. He did seem to have a yellowish tint towards the end (to me). He also routinely wore a lot of makeup.
6. Check
7. WE don't know
8. Don't know
9. True I guess. Although I don't recall really seeing his legs and he was wearing flares and loose fitting pants a lot but I'll be generous and say "no"
10. I couldn't really see his stomach either but let's assume it was fine.

I can't definitively rule any of these symptoms out and, to the contrary, can confirm several of them.

Liver issues make the most sense to me. Occam's Razor and all that.

One of the weirdest things to me was the rough and fairly unkempt nature of that fro. Prince was meticulous about his appearance and definitely his hair. Quite often, that shit was loose, unshaped and kind of let go. The timing of that heavily staged, doctored and touched up passport photo was odd in a "hey, look at me! I'm fine " way. The sudden rush to gather together a memoir felt odd.

There were also noticeable bags under his (sometimes glassy) eyes and, yeah, I get he was in his mid 50's, but they seemed to come on FAST. And the "wait a few days before you WASTE your prayers" is eerie. Some of the lyrics on AoA grab me.

It wasn't suicide or murder. It was an accident but I still think there was a little more going on.

Totally agree on the hair- I saw some pictures of him taken in the months leading up to his death and I was surprised he left the house given how meticulous he usually looked.

Regarding the liver stuff, the report from the Quad Cities hospital said his stomach was NOT distended, his eyes were normal (not the pupils, but the white part), and I would assume they would have noted if he was bloated/retaining water or had odd bruising. (Especially given they gave him IV fluids, you would think they would have noted/checked for water retention and such first.) Plus, if they had noted any physical evidence of liver/kidney damage, they would have used it to convince him to get the blood work instead of the hypothethical "drugs can cause liver and kidney damage, you should see if yours are damaged". Based on that, if he did have liver damage, it would seem it was in the early stages. (I am not a doctor, just guessing here.)

[Edited 11/17/19 11:14am]

[Edited 11/17/19 11:15am]

I can recall seeing pics of Prince, around the time that people were wondering what was going on with him, where his face looked puffy at times, and his stomach did look a little larger. There were also pics that I saw of him where he looked very thin and gaunt also, where his neck and face was really thin, and he seemed really tired and frail, so I don't know, but it's obvious that fans knew that something was going on with him health wise, because they said so.

rogifan said:

herb4 said:

Snips galore!

darlingnikkkki said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Snips galore!

laytonian said:

littlemissG said:

The coroner report confirm he had a hip replacement.

Correction. The medical examiner report said only that he had a scar on his left hip and one on his lower right leg. In other words, scars but the ME did not say what was done. The full coroner report (autopsy results) will not be released until 2046.

He didn't have a replacement. I forget exactly what it was called, he refused the replacement, even after Morris Day specifically suggested he have it since his went so well.