feeluupp said:

The good news is... The Deluxe edition packaging and booklet looks great!

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THIS is what I am waiting for , gorgeous DeLuxe edition...more than happy to pay my £!

feeluupp said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.I am most excited and eager for the 1999 Deluxe Edition.Originals is OK but I'm already bored with it.

Giovanni777 said:

The last two releases were essentially lame. I don't even want either of them, and I'm a hard core fan. I think these diminish his legacy, and he would feel the same. They are releasing these little tid bits, but nothing major (besides the Purple Rain "deluxe" release. Let's hope for the 1999 "deluxe" release.

It was worth it for the NC@U cinematic version and Love thy...will be done.

So is the NC2U Cinematic a touched up version or is it as intended by Prince?

[Edited 7/18/19 11:40am]

darlingnikkkki said:

feeluupp said:

The good news is... The Deluxe edition packaging and booklet looks great!

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The booklet looks great, indeed. Will pick this up eventually. Got the CD already. The vinyl doesn’t look purple to me though.

It's the purple one being shown alongside the standard black one, right? Or no? Maybe my eyesight really is getting *that* bad.

feeluupp said:

renfield said:

I'm not trying to "get into it" with you. And it's totally fine to post sales numbers, whatever they may be. But you do seem to go out of your way every week to bring up how horrible the numbers are. Just post the numbers, there's no reason to constantly bring up N.E.W.S. multiple times per thread. I'm not "butthurt" or taking it persoanlly at all...I got the music...you just seem to obsesses over pointing out how awful the numbers are with every update. That's been established, the dead horse is beaten.

Puts things into perspective on how low this album sold, since N.E.W.S was his lowest selling album of all time, N.E.W.S had NO promotion what so ever, yet look at all the promotion ORIGINALS had...

It's not to keep saying, his sales or low his sales are bad, no not at all. It simply directs the discussion, are the estate going the right path with these releases if there is exteremly little demand for this by the commercial public, or once again should the estate just focus on the hard core fans and create box sets with a higher price point.

Okay, I get your reasoning. There's just usually so much negativity on the Org anymore it makes everything seem extra negative, you know? At any rate, there aren't a ton of archival/posthumous releases doing as well as Originals so these may be more profitable for the estate than we think. The Grateful Dead still release several archival live albums every year, and they all tend to sell just a few tens of thousands of copies (if that). The overhead must be extremely low, and Prince is probably on the higher end of sales totals for these types of albums. And certainly a higher-profile release with a more conventional roll-out could do better than P&AM83 or Originals; 1999 Deluxe won't do millions but I'm sure it will do better than the past two releases. Licensing will ultimately be the big income...these albums are just a bonus and keep the hardcore fans happy.

Hopefully the deluxe editions will boost sales but I doubt it... On Twitter there are many people tweeting how they got an email from the estate saying there is a hold up on the shipments due to a manufacturing problem, and they preordered it in April...

renfield said:

feeluupp said:

Puts things into perspective on how low this album sold, since N.E.W.S was his lowest selling album of all time, N.E.W.S had NO promotion what so ever, yet look at all the promotion ORIGINALS had...

It's not to keep saying, his sales or low his sales are bad, no not at all. It simply directs the discussion, are the estate going the right path with these releases if there is exteremly little demand for this by the commercial public, or once again should the estate just focus on the hard core fans and create box sets with a higher price point.

Okay, I get your reasoning. There's just usually so much negativity on the Org anymore it makes everything seem extra negative, you know? At any rate, there aren't a ton of archival/posthumous releases doing as well as Originals so these may be more profitable for the estate than we think. The Grateful Dead still release several archival live albums every year, and they all tend to sell just a few tens of thousands of copies (if that). The overhead must be extremely low, and Prince is probably on the higher end of sales totals for these types of albums. And certainly a higher-profile release with a more conventional roll-out could do better than P&AM83 or Originals; 1999 Deluxe won't do millions but I'm sure it will do better than the past two releases. Licensing will ultimately be the big income...these albums are just a bonus and keep the hardcore fans happy.

lastdecember said:

As far as sales of any reissues or vault stuff, people can we just accept the fact it’s going to barely sell, face it, even Purple Rain remastered etc...sold a fraction of the original some have said maybe 200,000 overall so accept that nothing from now on will come close to that.

That's because Purple Rain already sold over 25 million world wide...

The Deluxe edition actually had great 1st week world wide sales, believe it sold 93-95k in it's first week.

Sales wise, Its been 35 years since the Purple Rain era. Its like thinking Perry Como and Bing Crosby would be at the top of the charts in 1984. Its rare the musical artists that can trascend genrations that wide and be at the top 35 years later. Every generation has their own pop culture that they like to spend money on.

4th week proper....

Number 32 in pure sales shifting around 2-2500. Sits around 35-35,5 total to date. Incidentally Piano was 64 in its 4th week. Its 1st week sales were better though but the 'drop off' was much more stark.Legs? Probably not but ya never know!

Deluxe/Vinyl boost next week so i expect another rise of some proportion. 40000 here we come. STILL sold less than Thriller,,,

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spelchek said:

4th week proper....

Number 32 in pure sales shifting around 2-2500. Sits around 35-35,5 total to date. Incidentally Piano was 64 in its 4th week. Its 1st week sales were better though but the 'drop off' was much more stark.Legs? Probably not but ya never know!

Deluxe/Vinyl boost next week so i expect another rise of some proportion. 40000 here we come. STILL sold less than Thriller,,,

[Edited 7/23/19 13:04pm]

Still not selling that well. Don't knw what to say anymore, flop, low sales, before you get a pool of members starting to say no it's the industry all sales are bad, or the ones that get so personal and defensive taking it personal...

With all the promotion they done on this release sales should've been much higher, not even 35,000 in it's 4th week... Not good.

feeluupp said:

spelchek said:

4th week proper....

Number 32 in pure sales shifting around 2-2500. Sits around 35-35,5 total to date. Incidentally Piano was 64 in its 4th week. Its 1st week sales were better though but the 'drop off' was much more stark.Legs? Probably not but ya never know!

Deluxe/Vinyl boost next week so i expect another rise of some proportion. 40000 here we come. STILL sold less than Thriller,,,

[Edited 7/23/19 13:04pm]

Still not selling that well. Don't knw what to say anymore,

How about not saying anything anymore? Thanks.

rdhull said:

feeluupp said:

Still not selling that well. Don't knw what to say anymore,

How about not saying anything anymore? Thanks.

Naw, you can go away though... At least I contribute alot of the news on this site, just look at the threads on the front page.

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WhisperingDandelions said:

rdhull said:

You dont get it. Prince is being shown for the art of the music/creativity lately. Thats what these releases are. They are treating him as jazz musician and not a pop star.

I dunno know, the legacy jazz type releases I have are all pretty intense with being transparent about tape sources, grouping with similar sessions, being neurotic with documenting takes and alternates, chronological arragement of outtakes, liner notes as a necessity and not a premium, etc.

Originals is a cool concept, but the moderately wide timespan covered track by track on shuffle sequencing, the unabashed tape melding, mixing and mashing... It's more posthumous 2pac than Coltrane.

[Edited 7/10/19 3:41am]

Yeah - despite enjoying both P&M and Originals, as well being encouraged by the fact that they're willing to release less mainstream material, what I'd really like to see is the kind of approach that we saw with the Miles Davis "Complete" boxsets. Originals feels a little too niche to have wide appeal beyond the established fan-base, but too arbitrary and "loose" in terms of treatment to satisfy the hardcore. It's occupies an awkward middle-ground for me.

fen said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

I dunno know, the legacy jazz type releases I have are all pretty intense with being transparent about tape sources, grouping with similar sessions, being neurotic with documenting takes and alternates, chronological arragement of outtakes, liner notes as a necessity and not a premium, etc.

Originals is a cool concept, but the moderately wide timespan covered track by track on shuffle sequencing, the unabashed tape melding, mixing and mashing... It's more posthumous 2pac than Coltrane.

[Edited 7/10/19 3:41am]

Yeah - despite enjoying both P&M and Originals, as well being encouraged by the fact that they're willing to release less mainstream material, what I'd really like to see is the kind of approach that we saw with the Miles Davis "Complete" boxsets. Originals feels a little too niche to have wide appeal beyond the established fan-base, but too arbitrary and "loose" in terms of treatment to satisfy the hardcore. It's occupies an awkward middle-ground for me.

The box-sets will come in time. There's a lot of red tape if yall haven't heard.

feeluupp said:

spelchek said:

4th week proper....

Number 32 in pure sales shifting around 2-2500. Sits around 35-35,5 total to date. Incidentally Piano was 64 in its 4th week. Its 1st week sales were better though but the 'drop off' was much more stark.Legs? Probably not but ya never know!

Deluxe/Vinyl boost next week so i expect another rise of some proportion. 40000 here we come. STILL sold less than Thriller,,,

[Edited 7/23/19 13:04pm]

Still not selling that well. Don't knw what to say anymore, flop, low sales, before you get a pool of members starting to say no it's the industry all sales are bad, or the ones that get so personal and defensive taking it personal...

With all the promotion they done on this release sales should've been much higher, not even 35,000 in it's 4th week... Not good.

Not selling that well? The question would be do you think they released this album to sell records? I can answer that for you. They did not. They released it to once again promote the brand 'PRINCE' who's engagement metrics across multiple platforms is among the top artists and can has a profit margin that makes all involved more interested in making and releasing product for the 'PRINCE" brand. No one in music is making money off record sales, the promotion of this record and project should have been an indication to you of how much money the PRINCE brand makes. The reason why there are giant billboards and promotion everywhere is because the metrics say that advertising Prince at this level boosts his whole catalog. People are streaming and buying and watching his ENTIRE catalog. "Originals" and any other release, is only the gateway to the real meat for the labels and streaming services and publishing companies. Counting his record sales is archaic, they opened up a massive marketing budget for a reason, it wasn't to sell records so what is the answer? ENGAGEMENT and PROFIT off the PRINCE brand is HIGH and PROFITABLE. They're fighting to release music from certain era's behind the scenes for a reason. MONEY.

Polo1026 said:

RODSERLING said:

Polo1026 said:

Not selling that well? The question would be do you think they released this album to sell records? I can answer that for you. They did not. They released it to once again promote the brand 'PRINCE' who's engagement metrics across multiple platforms is among the top artists and can has a profit margin that makes all involved more interested in making and releasing product for the 'PRINCE" brand. No one in music is making money off record sales, the promotion of this record and project should have been an indication to you of how much money the PRINCE brand makes. The reason why there are giant billboards and promotion everywhere is because the metrics say that advertising Prince at this level boosts his whole catalog. People are streaming and buying and watching his ENTIRE catalog. "Originals" and any other release, is only the gateway to the real meat for the labels and streaming services and publishing companies. Counting his record sales is archaic, they opened up a massive marketing budget for a reason, it wasn't to sell records so what is the answer? ENGAGEMENT and PROFIT off the PRINCE brand is HIGH and PROFITABLE. They're fighting to release music from certain era's behind the scenes for a reason. MONEY.

Except that the tmrelease of Originals didn't profit at all to the whole catalogue. There was no sales/view improvement of the whole catalogue. . In fact, when they released Manic Monday videos, When Doves Cry and Kiss did twice less views than usual.

You'd have to be privy to other metrics. Trust me when I tell you executives are extremely happy with the engagement of the Prince brand and are readying several more Prince releases. The only issue I can say is coming for sure is potentially competing releases and diluting the Prince brand because others don't want to wait out for their turn.

I'm just gonna say this, I was at Sony this week, I saw certain reports. They're 1000% ready for more Prince. More than you can imagine. A lot is coming because it's a successful venture. WAY more profitable than almost anything in current music.

Polo1026 said:

RODSERLING said:

Polo1026 said: Except that the tmrelease of Originals didn't profit at all to the whole catalogue. There was no sales/view improvement of the whole catalogue. . In fact, when they released Manic Monday videos, When Doves Cry and Kiss did twice less views than usual.

You'd have to be privy to other metrics. Trust me when I tell you executives are extremely happy with the engagement of the Prince brand and are readying several more Prince releases. The only issue I can say is coming for sure is potentially competing releases and diluting the Prince brand because others don't want to wait out for their turn.

I'm just gonna say this, I was at Sony this week, I saw certain reports. They're 1000% ready for more Prince. More than you can imagine. A lot is coming because it's a successful venture. WAY more profitable than almost anything in current music.

Hoping you are a genuine poster & the info is true?!

Regardless, certain fans need to stop collapsing into a puddle of tears if each vault release doesn't make it into the top 5 or whatever in the 1st week...can spot the older fans a mile off! It's pathetic, especially in an age of streaming & longer term branding + spin off sales for the main catalogue that 'sales' are now considered the be all & end all measure of 'success'.

Polo1026 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Polo1026 said:

You'd have to be privy to other metrics. Trust me when I tell you executives are extremely happy with the engagement of the Prince brand and are readying several more Prince releases. The only issue I can say is coming for sure is potentially competing releases and diluting the Prince brand because others don't want to wait out for their turn.

I'm just gonna say this, I was at Sony this week, I saw certain reports. They're 1000% ready for more Prince. More than you can imagine. A lot is coming because it's a successful venture. WAY more profitable than almost anything in current music.

Hoping you are a genuine poster & the info is true?!

Regardless, certain fans need to stop collapsing into a puddle of tears if each vault release doesn't make it into the top 5 or whatever in the 1st week...can spot the older fans a mile off! It's pathetic, especially in an age of streaming & longer term branding + spin off sales for the main catalogue that 'sales' are now considered the be all & end all measure of 'success'.

Love Prince and am in the music business. I'll tell you straight up labels are making the most money on streaming service deals. Those deals can be reduced/increased monthly, so when a Prince album drops and although Prince may have small sales in terms of actual album+streaming, Prince has a fan base that will sample the new music and then STAY on his music and stream his catalog. There's a lot of staying power within his base of fans and that makes a monumental difference to streaming services and to the rates a publisher/label can make for his catalog.

An example would be a person may listen to Cardi B's Bodak Yellow and maybe two or three other Cardi songs and get off the app or her page. Prince fans will listen to an entire album and then make a playlist and then listen to his singles or off shoot projects and proabably subscribe to the service to keep their music together. Prince's supposed small fanbase is impacting the App for much longer than the many of the bigger artists today. The metrics bear that to be true and the amount of money put into Originals promotional material when we know Prince albums don't sell well, should be an indication to all of us of what is really happening and the value of the Prince Brand right now.

Prince's estate management will be key in the next few years. They have to make smart releases and don't allow competing releases or a dilution of his catalog. They've got a whole lot of material that was salvaged from his vault. If they're smart, they can grow his catalog and it's value for years and years.

Polo1026 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Hoping you are a genuine poster & the info is true?!

Regardless, certain fans need to stop collapsing into a puddle of tears if each vault release doesn't make it into the top 5 or whatever in the 1st week...can spot the older fans a mile off! It's pathetic, especially in an age of streaming & longer term branding + spin off sales for the main catalogue that 'sales' are now considered the be all & end all measure of 'success'.

Love Prince and am in the music business. I'll tell you straight up labels are making the most money on streaming service deals. Those deals can be reduced/increased monthly, so when a Prince album drops and although Prince may have small sales in terms of actual album+streaming, Prince has a fan base that will sample the new music and then STAY on his music and stream his catalog. There's a lot of staying power within his base of fans and that makes a monumental difference to streaming services and to the rates a publisher/label can make for his catalog.

An example would be a person may listen to Cardi B's Bodak Yellow and maybe two or three other Cardi songs and get off the app or her page. Prince fans will listen to an entire album and then make a playlist and then listen to his singles or off shoot projects and proabably subscribe to the service to keep their music together. Prince's supposed small fanbase is impacting the App for much longer than the many of the bigger artists today. The metrics bear that to be true and the amount of money put into Originals promotional material when we know Prince albums don't sell well, should be an indication to all of us of what is really happening and the value of the Prince Brand right now.

Prince's estate management will be key in the next few years. They have to make smart releases and don't allow competing releases or a dilution of his catalog. They've got a whole lot of material that was salvaged from his vault. If they're smart, they can grow his catalog and it's value for years and years.

Great info Polo & I hope you stick around & ignore the short-sighted dinosaurs on here!

RODSERLING said:

Polo1026 said:

You'd have to be privy to other metrics. Trust me when I tell you executives are extremely happy with the engagement of the Prince brand and are readying several more Prince releases. The only issue I can say is coming for sure is potentially competing releases and diluting the Prince brand because others don't want to wait out for their turn.

I'm just gonna say this, I was at Sony this week, I saw certain reports. They're 1000% ready for more Prince. More than you can imagine. A lot is coming because it's a successful venture. WAY more profitable than almost anything in current music.

Then Sony should have put in their rééditions at least the b sides from each album. Technically they bought it, so why are they seating on it? Hell, they didn't even bother to release a greatest hits from the 95/2010 era, which could have gathered a lot of attention from the music critic and the audience.

coulda, woulda, shoulda....same arguments levelled at P with damn near every release & can be levelled at any release for any artists..ever! Let it go, estate is a mess & will be for years to come BUT there is hope!

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Polo1026 said:

Love Prince and am in the music business. I'll tell you straight up labels are making the most money on streaming service deals. Those deals can be reduced/increased monthly, so when a Prince album drops and although Prince may have small sales in terms of actual album+streaming, Prince has a fan base that will sample the new music and then STAY on his music and stream his catalog. There's a lot of staying power within his base of fans and that makes a monumental difference to streaming services and to the rates a publisher/label can make for his catalog.

An example would be a person may listen to Cardi B's Bodak Yellow and maybe two or three other Cardi songs and get off the app or her page. Prince fans will listen to an entire album and then make a playlist and then listen to his singles or off shoot projects and proabably subscribe to the service to keep their music together. Prince's supposed small fanbase is impacting the App for much longer than the many of the bigger artists today. The metrics bear that to be true and the amount of money put into Originals promotional material when we know Prince albums don't sell well, should be an indication to all of us of what is really happening and the value of the Prince Brand right now.

Prince's estate management will be key in the next few years. They have to make smart releases and don't allow competing releases or a dilution of his catalog. They've got a whole lot of material that was salvaged from his vault. If they're smart, they can grow his catalog and it's value for years and years.

Great info Polo & I hope you stick around & ignore the short-sighted dinosaurs on here!

Yep.Great info indeed Polo. Very interesting and insightful so thanks.

I noticed his monthly followers/listeners on Spotify (the only one i have) increased from around 7.2 million to 7.9 since the June 21st release. i have no clue what this means really but the 'Prince Brand' didnt suffer for it!

Incidentally i know physical sales are not that important anymore but HDD has Originals back up to 9 on the sales chart due to Deluxe/Vinyl. Billboard to follow Tues/Wednesday

Polo1026 said: