luvsexy4all said:

rogifan said:

lastdecember said:

Its a safe gig to play, fans are not going to start anything at PP. It is strange that Kirk is not playing with the NPG at any of the US shows.

Maybe but was he really ever the drummer for the NPG? And I don’t mean someone who filled in when Prince was in between bands.

YES! Kirky was the main drummer for the "Jam Of The Year Tour"

MattyJam said:

Jesse always struck me as having a chip on his shoulder.

he did, envious but really talented in his own right. it's bullshit illegally taping stuff and putting it out there. people's private thoughts should be private unless they decide to make them public. prince wasn't no saint either, especially in his 20's, he hurt a lot of people.

luvsexy4all said:

so no one thinks he made a "damage control" statement after the tape???

Yes, that was what his statement was for, damage control. He really needs to take it up with the person who recorded him, he has to know who it was since they were having a convo with him.

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PennyPurple said:

luvsexy4all said:

so no one thinks he made a "damage control" statement after the tape???

Yes, that was what his statement was for, damage control. He really needs to take it up with the person who recorded him, he has to know who it was since they were having a convo with him.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

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I miss your "Masterpiece" banners & eyerolls

ABro said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, that was what his statement was for, damage control. He really needs to take it up with the person who recorded him, he has to know who it was since they were having a convo with him.

Again Jesse's views on Prince comes as no surprise. He's said that shit since the 80's.

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You can say what ever you want, you can insult, call names whatever, it doesn't change my opinion of Jesse. Jesse just needs to Man up.

The question is, why are you stanning so hard for Jesse? You of all people know what Jesse has said about P. If you and your 'friends' don't want to uninvite Jesse then don't. I'll make sure I won't support the Estate or the PRN Alumni. After all $$$ talk....

ABro said:

I miss your "Masterpiece" banners & eyerolls

Yeah, that's ones not fooling anybody.

PennyPurple said:

ABro said:

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You can say what ever you want, you can insult, call names whatever, it doesn't change my opinion of Jesse. Jesse just needs to Man up.

The question is, why are you stanning so hard for Jesse? You of all people know what Jesse has said about P. If you and your 'friends' don't want to uninvite Jesse then don't. I'll make sure I won't support the Estate or the PRN Alumni. After all $$$ talk....

Stating A Fact is not name calling or insulting.
Don't see you denying it.

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ABro said:

PennyPurple said:

You can say what ever you want, you can insult, call names whatever, it doesn't change my opinion of Jesse. Jesse just needs to Man up.

The question is, why are you stanning so hard for Jesse? You of all people know what Jesse has said about P. If you and your 'friends' don't want to uninvite Jesse then don't. I'll make sure I won't support the Estate or the PRN Alumni. After all $$$ talk....

Stating A Fact is not name calling or insulting.
Don't see you denying it.
Well, how could you? there's reciepts all over this site.

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PennyPurple said:

ABro said:

Stating A Fact is not name calling or insulting.
Don't see you denying it.
Well, how could you? there's reciepts all over this site.

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No answer, of course.

Now you've really lost me, my name is Aaron

I have my own grudge against Jesse because he bailed on the Original7. That album was their best chance to turn the page from the Prince era, but he went into diva mode and renegged on the fellas after agreeing to participate in the project. He came up with some navel gazing bullshit explanation but after he was dragged for filth he admitted that he was about the $$.

If he had been honest from the jump instead of dicking around, I wouldn't have held it against him. Money is important. It broke my heart because he is so damn talented.

So I see this as a pattern with him. Sucks that he was recorded without his consent but I guess somebody wanted to expose him as two faced. I'm sure that former associates will be a lot more careful what they say now.

Since Prince is gone and he was the only one I actually cared about this is a non issue for me.

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Already dealt with some folks. Who is next?

databank said:

babynoz said:

I have my own grudge against Jesse because he bailed on the Original7. That album was their best chance to turn the page from the Prince era, but he went into diva mode and renegged on the fellas after agreeing to participate in the project. He came up with some navel gazing bullshit explanation but after he was dragged for filth he admitted that he was about the $$.

If he had been honest from the jump instead of dicking around, I wouldn't have held it against him. Money is important. It broke my heart because he is so damn talented.

So I see this as a pattern with him. Sucks that he was recorded without his consent but I guess somebody wanted to expose him as two faced. I'm sure that former associates will be a lot more careful what they say now.

Since Prince is gone and he was the only one I actually cared about this is a non issue for me.

Jesse bailed to join D'angelo's band.......

rogifan said:

everybody is entitled to their own thoughts, feelings and opinions; especially those that were directly involved with Prince. Jesse and Prince always had a difficult/complex relationship. Prince had complex and layered relationships with majority of past associates. Yes you can be like brothers and feel the way Jesse feels about P. I have family members i love but i don't deal with or talk to them. It's normal; especially with black folks.

i say all that to say, it's not that big of a deal. them prince defenders are the exact reason why Prince hated the word fan "(short for fanatic). it's borderline insane. if you choose not to support that estate or the celebration, that's your prerogative.

also, jesse bailed cause of disagreements during the recording of the album and when they were trying to tour as far as i know, they didn't even wanna play the new stuff, just the hits. on top of money, etc. etc.

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I agree, well said tab32792!

Hey folks - can you imagine the "trash talk" we'd hear had the conversations of Morris, Jesse, JellyBean, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, Wendy, Lisa, BrownMark, Matt Fink, Sheila E, Miko...etc, etc, etc. been secretly and ILLEGALLY recorded throughout the last 40 years??!!! Come on!!!!!!!! This is just ridiculous.

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The conversation was deceptivley and illegally recorded - period, end of discussion. It would never be permissible as evidence in a court of law as recordings can be edited and "doctored", and legal action can also be taken against someone who records conversations without the participant's knowledge.

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Regarding the April celebration....I have no doubt that every single associate performing at that event has talked "trash" about Prince during and after their time with him. Hell, they've even discussed grievances "on the record" in the past. Prince was an extremely gifted musician, but also complicated and often very difficult to work with - we all know this.

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violetcrush said:

Hey folks - can you imagine the "trash talk" we'd hear had the conversations of Morris, Jesse, JellyBean, Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, Wendy, Lisa, BrownMark, Matt Fink, Sheila E, Miko...etc, etc, etc. been secretly and ILLEGALLY recorded throughout the last 40 years??!!! Come on!!!!!!!! This is just ridiculous.

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The conversation was deceptivley and illegally recorded - period, end of discussion. It would never be permissible as evidence in a court of law as recordings can be edited and "doctored", and legal action can also be taken against someone who records conversations without the participant's knowledge.

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Regarding the April celebration....I have no doubt that every single associate performing at that event has talked "trash" about Prince during and after their time with him. Hell, they've even discussed grievances "on the record" in the past. Prince was an extremely gifted musician, but also complicated and often very difficult to work with - we all know this.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

endiadj said:

My opinion is that the whole situation is unfortunate. It's unfortunate that Jesse still appears to be harboring some resentments towards Prince(and others). It's unfortunate that Prince and Jesse never got the chance(or will never get another) to make their relationship more amicable. And its unfortunate that someone felt the need to record and post to the world a private conversation they had with Jesse. I assume that Jesse looked at that person as being a "friend", so them recording and posting their conversation is a pretty fucked up betrayal.


Now, having said that stuff, without Prince there most likely wouldn't be a Jesse Johnson. And Jesse should never ever forget that. I do understand that(and have voiced it many times on here)business wise, Prince seems to have done some people dirty. But still, without Prince, that whole Minneapolis camp would never have become what it did. Straight up, ALL them cats owe a debt of gratitude towards Prince...

lastdecember said:

Lets be real here this is also the same thing that is going on with KIRK J. the reality of why KIRKY J has not been at the recent NPG touring shows in the states is the fact that they are worried of the reaction to him from LOYALS, how woud it be if at an NPG concert a whole big thing started with booing and heckling from the crowd that Kirk J was responsible for his death. (...)

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- Well, I am glad he isnt performing with the NPG because I never liked his drumming, but he played with them in some concerts after Michael B quit and I dont remember this kind of thing happening.

pennylover said:

The original members of the Time, all 7, reunited for a residency at the Flamingo in Las Vegas in 2008?

You could upgrade your ticket for a VIP Meet and Greet in a roped off area after the show. We took a picture with The Time, and Morris disppeared and the others hung out. I had Jesse sign my "What Time Is It?" record and my Jesse Johnson's Revue record. I asked him about Prince and he had nothing negative to say. But when I asked who he was influenced by as a guitarist:

"Hendrix? Brothers Johnson? Prince?" He responded "no, no and no; I'm influenced by me"

For those who have never met The Time in person, something you'll find peculiar. Other than Jellybean and Jimmy Jam, they're all very short. As a 5'8" man, I was taller than Jesse, Monte, and towered over Morris. It may say differently on the internet, but I think I was taller than all of them other than Jellybean and Jimmy Jam - both towered over me...

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Jesse's response on Facebook over this fiasco.

Text from Prince read:
Jesse the people you are dealing with are beneath you. People want me, you, and Morris. Just wanted you to know you are much more than that. I love you and I’m proud of you. I have something I want you to have. Prince
I never called, I never spoke to him. Now I’ll never have that opportunity again...my loss forever.

Wow,when Prince wrote "the people you are dealing with are beneath you.....you are much more than that",I guess he was referring to D'Angelo and his band?

also,is anyone else curious about what Prince was going to give to Jesse?

dodgers1970 said:

The original members of the Time, all 7, reunited for a residency at the Flamingo in Las Vegas in 2008?

You could upgrade your ticket for a VIP Meet and Greet in a roped off area after the show. We took a picture with The Time, and Morris disppeared and the others hung out. I had Jesse sign my "What Time Is It?" record and my Jesse Johnson's Revue record. I asked him about Prince and he had nothing negative to say. But when I asked who he was influenced by as a guitarist:

"Hendrix? Brothers Johnson? Prince?" He responded "no, no and no; I'm influenced by me"

For those who have never met The Time in person, something you'll find peculiar. Other than Jellybean and Jimmy Jam, they're all very short. As a 5'8" man, I was taller than Jesse, Monte, and towered over Morris. It may say differently on the internet, but I think I was taller than all of them other than Jellybean and Jimmy Jam - both towered over me...

Interesting.

I knew that Jesse and Monte were somewhat short, but i had absolutely no ideal that Morris was the height that he is. I read you comments and immediately Googled "Morris Day's height". And it say's that he's 5'7. In looking at photos of Morris, he looks way taller. I have seen The Time in concert(in the 80's), but i couldn't really tell how tall each member was.


Anyway, my bad for going off topic. Carry on...