In red is your suggestion-care to explain yourself as to how your THEORY of KJ being black could have anything to do with him being fingered as the offender? When ALL of the parties were black? Let's hear your rationale behind your thought process. Step up to the plate, and hope you don't shut this thread down by CONTINUING TO PUSH THE ISSUE.
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Well I hope for as much trouble as I've been in this week that this thread won't be shut down now. Seriously. | |
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co-sign....people are emotional on this thread bc it's far more disturbing than the topic of Prince's worst album cover...but everyone needs to take a deep breath. xoxo | |
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PennyPurple said: Well I hope for as much trouble as I've been in this week that this thread won't be shut down now. Seriously. ?? We're just having a discussion. You're good | |
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Prince wanted them COMPLETELY out of his business. He DID NOT want this leaked ANYWHERE. He wanted out of that hospital as soon as possible and the least they knew the better. But the return Jet wasn't ready yet.Yes, and this is where I say someone should've tried to talk some sense into him. The doctor tried several times to no avail. | |
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it is good he is here, helps maintain some sort of balance. Salt and pepper. imo Thanks Purplefam99! I am not against this thread, but I am a bit worried that speculation repeated often enough ends up being taken as fact. As far as music making being an addiction - it was his job. He took that seriously and went to work every day. It was also his hobby, something he loved to do. In that respect he was really lucky. [Edited 7/26/18 15:24pm] The wooh is on the one! | |
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precioux said: In red is your suggestion-care to explain yourself as to how your THEORY of KJ being black could have anything to do with him being fingered as the offender? When ALL of the parties were black? Let's hear your rationale behind your thought process. Step up to the plate, and hope you don't shut this thread down by CONTINUING TO PUSH THE ISSUE.
My 2 posts in part 11 were about the investigative sloppiness And my only point was that sometimes “black on black “ crime Hasn’t been a priority in some police departments and that may have Factored in as reason it was handled so poorly The stuff in red I didn’t type. | |
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purplefam99 said: precioux said: In red is your suggestion-care to explain yourself as to how your THEORY of KJ being black could have anything to do with him being fingered as the offender? When ALL of the parties were black? Let's hear your rationale behind your thought process. Step up to the plate, and hope you don't shut this thread down by CONTINUING TO PUSH THE ISSUE.
My 2 posts in part 11 were about the investigative sloppiness And my only point was that sometimes “black on black “ crime Hasn’t been a priority in some police departments and that may have Factored in as reason it was handled so poorly The stuff in red I didn’t type. I'm looking for the shovel emoticon that is digging a hole deeper. | |
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paulludvig said: purplefam99 said:
it is good he is here, helps maintain some sort of balance. Salt and pepper. imo Thanks Purplefam99! I am not against this thread, but I am a bit worried that speculation repeted often enough ends up being taken as fact. As far as music making being an addiction - it was his job. He took that seriously and went to work every day. It was also his hobby, something he loved to do. In that respect he was really lucky. Agree, and bonatoc (poster) in the ‘prince having hand pain’ thread Puts out a friendly warning about ‘confirmation bias’ constructive criticism Is helpful in threads esp the passionate ones. | |
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Camile and Purplefam can you please stop to continue your feud in the thread? Because this is what Penny meant when she said she doesn't want the thread to get shut down. We are lucky to have the thread and you are derailing it if you keep discussing on what one has said/written or not. | |
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ThatWhiteDude said: Camile and Purplefam can you please stop to continue your feud in the thread? Because this is what Penny meant when she said she doesn't want the thread to get shut down. We are lucky to have the thread and you are derailing it if you keep discussing on what one has said/written or not. I don’t think camile and I have spoken. Thr discussing is about the investigation. And with all due TWD, this interaction is but a blink Compared to the bitter back and forth you and LR would engage in. Fair enough tho I’ll call it done. | |
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ThatWhiteDude said: Camile and Purplefam can you please stop to continue your feud in the thread? Because this is what Penny meant when she said she doesn't want the thread to get shut down. We are lucky to have the thread and you are derailing it if you keep discussing on what one has said/written or not. Dude, Camile is not feuding with Purplefam, please reread this thread. | |
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Then it's precioux with purplefam, my brain mixed it up. | |
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everyone...step away from your computer..... | |
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everyone...step away from your computer..... for how long? | |
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Ok, I don't believe the murder theory and never will. The real Prince IS dead. I can't find the results for the neck and hand swabs either. And I also don't believe that somebody found him dead and left him laying there overnight. The liquid in the elevator confuses me, no narcs were found in it. IF it was purple grape juice, the vomit would be red or purple. (my experience as a mom). Unless of course it was white grape juice then it would be kinda yellowish. I agree no food chunks were seen. Where the vomit landed on the elevator wall, almost looks to me to be projectile vomit. It has not been proven that he had a visitor that night. Judith said it was not unusual for him to use the elevator or to have his clothes on backwards. And what is up with all of your i's before and after words?
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I wanted to thank PennyPurple for trying repeatedly to refocus people on the death investigation thread. Please do not go off on tangents and then discuss these tangential ideas that are of little merit to the investigation. It looks unprofessional and it is time-wasting. It must be exhausting to keep re-focusing folks. This thread will end and we need to be mindful of this. Let's everyone read all the files and get up to speed before just talking about anything and everything.
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co-sign and RESPECT to Penny! | |
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I wanted to add one more thing. Let's talk to each other respectfully, keep our "fights" off-line, put our heads together and as a group try to make some progress. Many people working on this will guarantee progress but folks need to feel safe. Better to attract alot of folks who have great ideas, but do not want to be put down by a few. | |
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Thanks but Penny is about to give up. AND, this isn't my thread. I didn't start it, nor did I ask for it to be started.
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Great thought, Peggyon. I want to revisit something I posted a day or two ago. There seems to be a consenses here that the investigation was handled poorly. We need legal advice, preferably from an experienced lawyer or tuned-in observer in MN, who could guide us in the pressure tactics that might have a shot at getting the case looked at again. Every day I read of folks who have raised tons of money on Go Fund Me because they have a compelling story. I think the death of Prince is a compeling story. A Go Fund Me Page for a Private Investigator? We need to brain-storm how we can move this quest for truth onward...with power and grace.
Love is Patient...and Perseveres.
PS: it makes me wonder why none of his associates, inner circle, mentees or relatives have thought of this...we may need a whole new thread for that question. [Edited 7/26/18 19:19pm] | |
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I'll take a stab at it. I wonder if it was a large amount of saliva. When I have vomited in the past, I have produced alot of saliva first. He could have been leaning against the walls of the elevator and "thrown up" the saliva/drool. I would need to consult with a professional to determine if Fentanyl would have circulated to his saliva/drool/vomit. | |
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I see your point, wonder if one of the lawyers here could assist with this? I get the idea that his associates have known about Prince's issues for some time and will not likely pursue this. IDK, maybe they feel they are protecting his Legacy, showing respect etc. I think many were somewhat intimidated by his powerful personality. I did not realize that folks wanted to re-open the investigation. Maybe folks like Latin, Trivial Pursuit, Operating Thetan, Life is Just a Game would have insight?
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Ok, I don't believe the murder theory and never will. The real Prince IS dead. I can't find the results for the neck and hand swabs either. And I also don't believe that somebody found him dead and left him laying there overnight. The liquid in the elevator confuses me, no narcs were found in it. IF it was purple grape juice, the vomit would be red or purple. (my experience as a mom). Unless of course it was white grape juice then it would be kinda yellowish. I agree no food chunks were seen. Where the vomit landed on the elevator wall, almost looks to me to be projectile vomit. It has not been proven that he had a visitor that night. Judith said it was not unusual for him to use the elevator or to have his clothes on backwards. And what is up with all of your i's before and after words?
In Facedown 's, item 18, we've talked about this before, but the DEA said they were not necessarily surprised that no other pills with the exact composition of Ps pills have been found since many of these pill manufacturers put whatever is available in the pills as filler. Also, I'm having a hard time believing the DEA could not quantify the amount of fentanyl in the pills vs. lidocaine. I would think that would not be impossible for a Drug Agency laboratory. Why would they not release that information? | |
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LOL! - 'add one more thing' - are you done with your lecture?
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I'll take a stab at it. I wonder if it was a large amount of saliva. When I have vomited in the past, I have produced alot of saliva first. He could have been leaning against the walls of the elevator and "thrown up" the saliva/drool. I would need to consult with a professional to determine if Fentanyl would have circulated to his saliva/drool/vomit. You would think his saliva would contain even a small amount of fentanyl since the pill or pills were in his mouth, even for a short time. Who knows. You made a great point. | |
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But that would be a HUGE amount of saliva. I thought that it could be a drink that was thrown but no cup or glass was found. If it was someone else's vomit, surely Prince would have not just left it there and would have someone clean it up?.. I mean who would want to use the elevator where vomit was that dripped down the wall where you push the buttons? People have said that he hated elevators, but Judith and I believe Kirk said it wasn't unusual for him to use the elevator. He did have that party there and someone else could've used the elevator and vomited in it. But that should''ve been cleaned up AND LE said that it looked 'wet' and vomit was in his mouth. He could have vomited and then took the pills?? | |
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You would think his saliva would contain even a small amount of fentanyl since the pill or pills were in his mouth, even for a short time. Who knows. You made a great point. Yeah, I get your point. I thought they swabbed this "stuff" several days later as they had missed it. Was the test a conclusively "No Fentanyl"? If so, someone said he may have been dope-sick (thrown up the saliva/vomit), taken the Fentanyl for relief and then passed out. I think he took the Fentanyl, knew it would be awhile (minutes) before it took effect, got in the elevator fow whatever reason, felt nauseated/unsteady, vomited or heavily drooled, then slumped down and collapsed. | |
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The DNA on the Welch's grape bottle did not match Prince's DNA as per warrants/subponea results. (Neither was his DNA found on the 'only lidocaine pills' bottle.) Being the water was next to his bed, and the subtance was basically clear liquid-it could've been the water. In regards to throwing up, then taking a pill, it is possible, especially if the withdrawls had gotten that bad...but not probable | |
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