ChocolateBox3121 said:

paulludvig said:

The enemas some of you mention earlier, Was that most likely because of the opoid addiction or could have been other illness?

Francis77 said:

CatB said:

Just for the sake of clarity: She didn't find him, it was a security guy, who was also the one who took him to hospital.

It was also never said that it happened 21 April. That was added later for dramatic value.

The story and that date were printed in Ronin Ro's book years before Prince died. Not added later for dramatic affect. fact.

It was also printed in Alex Hahn's book, as mentioned before. Both were printed later (Ro's book in 2011). Years after the incident. Neither did provide records that document the date. Fact.

Furthermore, all "reports" say he was found on 21 April. Not that the incident happened that day.

People like to mystify Prince even more than he did himself and then they are surprised when he dies like a normal human being. No one's doing him a favour with this.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

with all respect, it always seems strange to me when people comment on the "odd" behavior of people close to Prince. Let's face it, Prince was the master of odd behavior...why would we think that those who worked for him, were mentored by him or were involved romantically with him would demonstrate behaviors that would seem 'normal' to those of us who live lives radically different???

He chose or sought out people who would/could validate his 'oddness'....so what do we really expect from them? This goes directly to his addictions (drugs, control, making music, promiscuity): if not enabling, then at least he demanded/expected acceptence of whatever he said (aspirin and wine) or did (bike ride rather than rehab).

In another part of this thread someone commented as to why/how Mani may have figured out he was struggling with addiction. While I cringe at her unethical and cold acts re his money, she never came off as dumb. I don't think it took that much to figure it out...anyone who slept with him could have figured it out.

THIS. But in my view it was rather that those around him were normal. They were people like you and I, merely doing their job. I'm not saying that they were not creative/talented/you name it but that they were/are just human. Many have even said they didn't "get him" and that he was weird, even to them. That they couldn't always follow him but that he was their boss and it was their job.

They were/are human and humans err. That's why speculating or judging now who when why did or did not this or that is like a rocking chair - it gives you something to do but it doesn't get you anywhere.

It is easy now to blame or point the finger and yes, some sure did have their agenda in his life. However, everyone moved on from Prince at some point. It didn't mean that you didn't love him anymore but everyone has the right to move on. It's what he did too.

Astasheiks said:

Camileyun said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Going back to the files, I read somewhere that they allowed KJ to stay at Paisley Park? I was going through the files on my laptop but I can't find it, maybe I overlooked it.

That being said, if they really allowed him to stay, then this was one of the bigger fuck ups. He could've moved stuff, didn't Pahedra say she could hack into computers? They could've deleted evidence that shows that they bought these pills. :/

Pg. 127 "My interview with Kirk Johnson continued to get interrupted so I asked if we could meet again to get more specifics. Kirk said that would be fine. We ended the interview at that time and Kirk asked if he could stay on the property as he did not want to leave. The Sheriff's Office Administration allowed Kirk and his family to stay on the property."

Unbelievable! So they let him end the interview and he lawyers up and they never get the specifics! They let him stay because he "did not want to leave"????!!

rednblue said:

RE: reactions such as some recent responses to Purplefam99.

Agree with Peggyon's request that people react more calmly.

RE: sticking your nose where it doesn't belong + bringing up a grievance from a previous thread

Do yourself a favor and go back and look at the ORIGINAL response to purplefam99, you will see a playful atmosphere. When pf99 continued pushing the ridiculous, race baiting card-pf99 got his/her handed to her. Don't come around here with that shit and there won't be any-keep up on that topic and see where it gets this thread. You've been warned.


FYI the insinuation was that KJ was deemed 'offender' in Prince's death because KJ was black- are you phuecling kidding me?? Prince was black, Phaedra was black, Meron was black....Imma tell you like I told pf99...get a phuecking grip already.

CatB said:

Francis77 said:

The story and that date were printed in Ronin Ro's book years before Prince died. Not added later for dramatic affect. fact.

It was also printed in Alex Hahn's book, as mentioned before. Both were printed later (Ro's book in 2011). Years after the incident. Neither did provide records that document the date. Fact.

Furthermore, all "reports" say he was found on 21 April. Not that the incident happened that day.

People like to mystify Prince even more than he did himself and then they are surprised when he dies like a normal human being. No one's doing him a favour with this.

Sorry Cat, not buying that ODing in an elevator with your clothes on backwards, your home/studio filled with street drugs, enema bags and energy drinks among your last favorite things and no loved ones or family close or interested enough to help constitutes 'dying like a normal human being.'

Astasheiks said:

The enemas some of you mention earlier, Was that most likely because of the opoid addiction or could have been other illness?

I say it's because of the opioids. They cause a high rate of constipation, there are special medicines that they can take made for opioid constipation. Of course if he would've been under a Drs care, he would've also gotten help for constipation.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Camileyun said:

Pg. 127 "My interview with Kirk Johnson continued to get interrupted so I asked if we could meet again to get more specifics. Kirk said that would be fine. We ended the interview at that time and Kirk asked if he could stay on the property as he did not want to leave. The Sheriff's Office Administration allowed Kirk and his family to stay on the property."

Unbelievable! So they let him end the interview and he lawyers up and they never get the specifics! They let him stay because he "did not want to leave"????!!

Thank you! Yes that is so stupid :/

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CatB said:

It was also printed in Alex Hahn's book, as mentioned before. Both were printed later (Ro's book in 2011). Years after the incident. Neither did provide records that document the date. Fact.

Furthermore, all "reports" say he was found on 21 April. Not that the incident happened that day.

People like to mystify Prince even more than he did himself and then they are surprised when he dies like a normal human being. No one's doing him a favour with this.

Sorry Cat, not buying that ODing in an elevator with your clothes on backwards, your home/studio filled with street drugs, enema bags and energy drinks among your last favorite things and no loved ones or family close or interested enough to help constitutes 'dying like a normal human being.'

That's not how I meant it (although many people die alone and not in pleasant circumstances).

What I meant to say is that Prince was mortal and he was a human being and people needn't be surprised that he didn't vanish in the thin air or take the mother ship home. That's what I meant.

He was a poor creature, a victim of his fame and his own secrecy and there is no use in adding to this by reaching for concidences in dates in his life or spin stories like it was ritual murder, like some have claimed, or that it was something supernatural.

CatB said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Sorry Cat, not buying that ODing in an elevator with your clothes on backwards, your home/studio filled with street drugs, enema bags and energy drinks among your last favorite things and no loved ones or family close or interested enough to help constitutes 'dying like a normal human being.'

That's not how I meant it (although many people die alone and not in pleasant circumstances).

What I meant to say is that Prince was mortal and he was a human being and people needn't be surprised that he didn't vanish in the thin air or take the mother ship home. That's what I meant.

He was a poor creature, a victim of his fame and his own secrecy and there is no use in adding to this by reaching for concidences in dates in his life or spin stories like it was ritual murder, like some have claimed, or that it was something supernatural.

Thanks for the clarification and I appreciated your summation...but IMO the elevator and backwards clothes are powerfully symbolic and I cannot avert my consciousness from the message.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CatB said:

That's not how I meant it (although many people die alone and not in pleasant circumstances).

What I meant to say is that Prince was mortal and he was a human being and people needn't be surprised that he didn't vanish in the thin air or take the mother ship home. That's what I meant.

He was a poor creature, a victim of his fame and his own secrecy and there is no use in adding to this by reaching for concidences in dates in his life or spin stories like it was ritual murder, like some have claimed, or that it was something supernatural.

Thanks for the clarification and I appreciated your summation...but IMO the elevator and backwards clothes are powerfully symbolic and I cannot avert my consciousness from the message.

Fair enough, I understand what you mean. What made me wonder about the scenario was more the way his sleeves are pulled up. This is something I never saw him do in life - on the contrary, he rather liked it when he could pull the sleeves over his hands and clutch them like babies do. And for someone else pulling up those tight sleeves like that - it takes some effort to pull up somebody else's sleeves like this.

It might not be important at all and I don't want to get to deep into the pictures as this is not how I want to remember him but maybe you guys know - who did it and why? To make the wrist monitor or what that was visible?

Those sleeves up are such an a-typical picture of his. It was the first thing that made me ??


What I found remarkable is the way he is positioned right on that sun in the carpet. This is what some may use as "proof" for some ritual or whatever. I found it interesting as in July 2016 I had a dream of him which some fans have interpreted as his funeral. It was a silent conversation in a place full of people saying goodbye and in the dream he was cold and said, "It's like November. I want sunlight." We moved our chairs to the window, so the sun would shine right on his face and he said that's much better. Suddenly the wall was gone and we were sitting with our chairs on an edge. Below I could only see dark waters.

I am aware this sounds like something supernatural too and ever since I've had many dreams with messages (and even music) but when I saw those photos and the way he "points" to the sun, it just reminded me of that dream.

I thought these pictures show where he was pulled to out of the elevator so the EMTs could work on him. There are no photos of how Kirk, Meron and Andrew found him in the elevator. He looks so tired. Nothing sits well with me about his death. To tie it up with a ribbon and say "Geez, we're sorry, but we've got nothing. Bye Bye!" makes me so angry.

Camileyun said:

Astasheiks said:

The enemas some of you mention earlier, Was that most likely because of the opoid addiction or could have been other illness?

Are you thinking about something specific?

naw

PennyPurple said:

Astasheiks said:

The enemas some of you mention earlier, Was that most likely because of the opoid addiction or could have been other illness?

I say it's because of the opioids. They cause a high rate of constipation, there are special medicines that they can take made for opioid constipation. Of course if he would've been under a Drs care, he would've also gotten help for constipation.

thats what I thinking along the lines of or figured

Valid Point.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

SkipperLove said:

I hear ya. But it is connected IMO. Sort of like tracing the history of Prince's behaving in either self-harming or emotionally confusing ways on important dates in his life (like his fatal overdose on April 21st).

BACK ON TOPIC----

Reading the files, I came to the conclusion that it is more people's behavior after Prince died than their supposed behavior before he died that seemed extremely odd to me --WITH one big exception, the leaving him alone. I started to think about what would keep them from staying with him that night. If the chef is telling the truth, Meron and Kirk discussed Prince-watching shifts. ( I am not sure the chef is telling the truth though but who knows). What changed their minds? Some theories.. Prince fired them so they had no legal right to stay?. Prince threatened to fire them if they stayed (which they should have ignored and stayed any way.) ? Prince threatened to call the police or self harm if they didn't leave him by himself? Prince simply waved his hands and said "now, leave me be" (but why discuss shifts, if it was so easy to just leave him alone)?, Prince had gone through withdrawl alone in the past so they figured he could do again? they did stay with him and he died earlier that night under their watch but it was obviously his own doing so they covered it up?, one of the two folks didn't show for his or her agreed upon 'shift'?.

Most of Judith's account seems authentic but even she has some odd behavior. The day after her "boyfriend's" overdose, she is back in L.A. promoting her work and his performance. The status of their relationship being questionable also stood out.. These two things could be the behavior of someone who was not in any way a girlfriend but more an employee and mentoree. But why lie to the cops about one's status with Prince? The press I get, but why the cops? A couple theories.. Only Prince and Judith knew their personal status, and Judith staying at the hotel was their way of keeping their relationship secretive? Or Judith thought the relationship was more serious than it really was? Or Judith and Prince were in the beginning of a relationshp that hadn't blossomed completely? As for her going back to L.A. maybe Prince convinced her that damage control and keeping true to work commitments is what he wanted her to do because her career was something they both were invested in and he needed someone to help distract the press from any potential questions about the Moline incident. She apparently kept tabs on him from L.A and made phone calls, but her absense from the scene seemed like the absolute opposite of what she should have been doing. But then again, Prince could be convincing.

with all respect, it always seems strange to me when people comment on the "odd" behavior of people close to Prince. Let's face it, Prince was the master of odd behavior...why would we think that those who worked for him, were mentored by him or were involved romantically with him would demonstrate behaviors that would seem 'normal' to those of us who live lives radically different???

He chose or sought out people who would/could validate his 'oddness'....so what do we really expect from them? This goes directly to his addictions (drugs, control, making music, promiscuity): if not enabling, then at least he demanded/expected acceptence of whatever he said (aspirin and wine) or did (bike ride rather than rehab).

In another part of this thread someone commented as to why/how Mani may have figured out he was struggling with addiction. While I cringe at her unethical and cold acts re his money, she never came off as dumb. I don't think it took that much to figure it out...anyone who slept with him could have figured it out.

Everything is a double edged sword. Yes, he was probably addicted to music. But its not the worst addiction to have, and we should be grateful for his sacrifice..even if it wasn't a perfect situation for him in every way. He got a lot of joy from his music, but I am sure it was also a burden. Its like that line from A League of Their Own when Geena Davis says she wants to quit baseball because it got too hard and her coach (Tom Hanks) says "Its supposed to be hard. Hard is what makes it great."

paulludvig said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

with all respect, it always seems strange to me when people comment on the "odd" behavior of people close to Prince. Let's face it, Prince was the master of odd behavior...why would we think that those who worked for him, were mentored by him or were involved romantically with him would demonstrate behaviors that would seem 'normal' to those of us who live lives radically different???

He chose or sought out people who would/could validate his 'oddness'....so what do we really expect from them? This goes directly to his addictions (drugs, control, making music, promiscuity): if not enabling, then at least he demanded/expected acceptence of whatever he said (aspirin and wine) or did (bike ride rather than rehab).

In another part of this thread someone commented as to why/how Mani may have figured out he was struggling with addiction. While I cringe at her unethical and cold acts re his money, she never came off as dumb. I don't think it took that much to figure it out...anyone who slept with him could have figured it out.

So now his music making is reduced to an addiction? I wonder what's left of him once you're done? Addiction, only addiction.

I am not saying the weird dates were supernatural. I was just speculating whether Prince was more vulnerable on certain important days in his history/life. Its not supernatural. Its human to feel a certain way on the anniversary of your child's death or on the day you recorded a song that meant something special. . If he didn't ocassionally feel worse on particular days, I would surmise there was something really wrong.

CatB said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Sorry Cat, not buying that ODing in an elevator with your clothes on backwards, your home/studio filled with street drugs, enema bags and energy drinks among your last favorite things and no loved ones or family close or interested enough to help constitutes 'dying like a normal human being.'

That's not how I meant it (although many people die alone and not in pleasant circumstances).

What I meant to say is that Prince was mortal and he was a human being and people needn't be surprised that he didn't vanish in the thin air or take the mother ship home. That's what I meant.

He was a poor creature, a victim of his fame and his own secrecy and there is no use in adding to this by reaching for concidences in dates in his life or spin stories like it was ritual murder, like some have claimed, or that it was something supernatural.

Oh, I wasn't referring to you. There's a whole bunch of fans out there who want to make all of Prince's life a supernatural story and they are obsessed with dates, especially with finding links to 21 April.

SkipperLove said:

I am not saying the weird dates were supernatural. I was just speculating whether Prince was more vulnerable on certain important days in his history/life. Its not supernatural. Its human to feel a certain way on the anniversary of your child's death or on the day you recorded a song that meant something special. . If he didn't ocassionally feel worse on particular days, I would surmise there was something really wrong.

CatB said:

That's not how I meant it (although many people die alone and not in pleasant circumstances).

What I meant to say is that Prince was mortal and he was a human being and people needn't be surprised that he didn't vanish in the thin air or take the mother ship home. That's what I meant.

He was a poor creature, a victim of his fame and his own secrecy and there is no use in adding to this by reaching for concidences in dates in his life or spin stories like it was ritual murder, like some have claimed, or that it was something supernatural.

Camileyun said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince was in complete damage control and Kirky J's kicked in also.

Yes! It seemed like a reflex action, like he was stuck in one gear all the time, the control the narrative gear. He seemed oblivious to his own well being and went straight for damage control, as you said,... immediately, before the fog cleared! He had to have been here before, IMO.

Prince wanted them COMPLETELY out of his business. He DID NOT want this leaked ANYWHERE. He wanted out of that hospital as soon as possible and the least they knew the better. But the return Jet wasn't ready yet.

rednblue said:

RE: reactions such as some recent responses to Purplefam99.

Agree with Peggyon's request that people react more calmly.

Thank you both Peggyon and Rednblue for the request for calm.

To others, my post in the last of part 11 was not any "card playing"

it was simply suggested, as a possible component, that may have lead to a faulty investigation.

Camileyun said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Thank you! Yes that is so stupid :/

When you consider this interview took place a couple hours after pronouncing P. dead, it's more than stupid, it's outrageous!! How could they have possibly known, at that point, that KJ wasn't some international serial killer, systematically killing off rock and roll icons, much less someone ready to cover their own tracks when they left?!!

Yes, they did a lot of fuck ups and this was one of the biggest. "Oh, Mr Johnson we refer to you as an offender in this case but you can stay at Paisley Park if you want to, we trust you that you don't touch anything here, have a nice day!" That's what they could've said to him before they left because this is what it looks like.

Oh and then theo tells them that phaedra told him she can hack into computers and stuff like that, and they forgot to take Prince's laptop with them. And the only thing they could say about that was that they regret it Like, seriousyl, how incompetent can people be? This is ridiculous.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

SkipperLove said:

I hear ya. But it is connected IMO. Sort of like tracing the history of Prince's behaving in either self-harming or emotionally confusing ways on important dates in his life (like his fatal overdose on April 21st).

BACK ON TOPIC----

Reading the files, I came to the conclusion that it is more people's behavior after Prince died than their supposed behavior before he died that seemed extremely odd to me --WITH one big exception, the leaving him alone. I started to think about what would keep them from staying with him that night. If the chef is telling the truth, Meron and Kirk discussed Prince-watching shifts. ( I am not sure the chef is telling the truth though but who knows). What changed their minds? Some theories.. Prince fired them so they had no legal right to stay?. Prince threatened to fire them if they stayed (which they should have ignored and stayed any way.) ? Prince threatened to call the police or self harm if they didn't leave him by himself? Prince simply waved his hands and said "now, leave me be" (but why discuss shifts, if it was so easy to just leave him alone)?, Prince had gone through withdrawl alone in the past so they figured he could do again? they did stay with him and he died earlier that night under their watch but it was obviously his own doing so they covered it up?, one of the two folks didn't show for his or her agreed upon 'shift'?.

Most of Judith's account seems authentic but even she has some odd behavior. The day after her "boyfriend's" overdose, she is back in L.A. promoting her work and his performance. The status of their relationship being questionable also stood out.. These two things could be the behavior of someone who was not in any way a girlfriend but more an employee and mentoree. But why lie to the cops about one's status with Prince? The press I get, but why the cops? A couple theories.. Only Prince and Judith knew their personal status, and Judith staying at the hotel was their way of keeping their relationship secretive? Or Judith thought the relationship was more serious than it really was? Or Judith and Prince were in the beginning of a relationshp that hadn't blossomed completely? As for her going back to L.A. maybe Prince convinced her that damage control and keeping true to work commitments is what he wanted her to do because her career was something they both were invested in and he needed someone to help distract the press from any potential questions about the Moline incident. She apparently kept tabs on him from L.A and made phone calls, but her absense from the scene seemed like the absolute opposite of what she should have been doing. But then again, Prince could be convincing.

with all respect, it always seems strange to me when people comment on the "odd" behavior of people close to Prince. Let's face it, Prince was the master of odd behavior...why would we think that those who worked for him, were mentored by him or were involved romantically with him would demonstrate behaviors that would seem 'normal' to those of us who live lives radically different???

He chose or sought out people who would/could validate his 'oddness'....so what do we really expect from them? This goes directly to his addictions (drugs, control, making music, promiscuity): if not enabling, then at least he demanded/expected acceptence of whatever he said (aspirin and wine) or did (bike ride rather than rehab).

In another part of this thread someone commented as to why/how Mani may have figured out he was struggling with addiction. While I cringe at her unethical and cold acts re his money, she never came off as dumb. I don't think it took that much to figure it out...anyone who slept with him could have figured it out.

that^^^^^^^^

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

So now his music making is reduced to an addiction? I wonder what's left of him once you're done? Addiction, only addiction.

Huh? Stop trying to find an arguement in everything a poster says. It's getting old. We get it, you don't like this thread, so move on.

it is good he is here, helps maintain some sort of balance. Salt and pepper. imo

precioux said:

rednblue said:

RE: reactions such as some recent responses to Purplefam99.

Agree with Peggyon's request that people react more calmly.

RE: sticking your nose where it doesn't belong + bringing up a grievance from a previous thread

Do yourself a favor and go back and look at the ORIGINAL response to purplefam99, you will see a playful atmosphere. When pf99 continued pushing the ridiculous, race baiting card-pf99 got his/her handed to her. Don't come around here with that shit and there won't be any-keep up on that topic and see where it gets this thread. You've been warned.


FYI the insinuation was that KJ was deemed 'offender' in Prince's death because KJ was black- are you phuecling kidding me?? Prince was black, Phaedra was black, Meron was black....Imma tell you like I told pf99...get a phuecking grip already.

i don't feel that i pushed. i just offered a suggestion as to why the investigation may have been handled so

poorly.

CatB said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks for the clarification and I appreciated your summation...but IMO the elevator and backwards clothes are powerfully symbolic and I cannot avert my consciousness from the message.

Fair enough, I understand what you mean. What made me wonder about the scenario was more the way his sleeves are pulled up. This is something I never saw him do in life - on the contrary, he rather liked it when he could pull the sleeves over his hands and clutch them like babies do. And for someone else pulling up those tight sleeves like that - it takes some effort to pull up somebody else's sleeves like this.

It might not be important at all and I don't want to get to deep into the pictures as this is not how I want to remember him but maybe you guys know - who did it and why? To make the wrist monitor or what that was visible?

Those sleeves up are such an a-typical picture of his. It was the first thing that made me ??


What I found remarkable is the way he is positioned right on that sun in the carpet. This is what some may use as "proof" for some ritual or whatever. I found it interesting as in July 2016 I had a dream of him which some fans have interpreted as his funeral. It was a silent conversation in a place full of people saying goodbye and in the dream he was cold and said, "It's like November. I want sunlight." We moved our chairs to the window, so the sun would shine right on his face and he said that's much better. Suddenly the wall was gone and we were sitting with our chairs on an edge. Below I could only see dark waters.

I am aware this sounds like something supernatural too and ever since I've had many dreams with messages (and even music) but when I saw those photos and the way he "points" to the sun, it just reminded me of that dream.

Awww, I love hearing stuff like that!