SkipperLove said:

damn, that's weird.

OperatingThetan said:

SkipperLove said:

Thanks. Was this information according to doctors or Prince's staff? I ask because I wonder if he was on something but it didn't result in an overdose. So in other words, he was treated for symptoms of increased drug usage but he didn't take quite enough to overdose. So many dramatic things seem to happen on almost symbolic days. Dying April 21 when SOmetimes it snows in April (a song about the death of a character he played) was written on the same day. And now learning that both his mock overdose picture and a hospital stay happened on the anniversaries of his son's death.

Prince's hospital visit in '96 was on April 21 also. Mayte reportedly found him unconscious in the studio. It's said he'd drank wine and asprin for heart palpitations.

OperatingThetan said:

SkipperLove said:

Thanks. Was this information according to doctors or Prince's staff? I ask because I wonder if he was on something but it didn't result in an overdose. So in other words, he was treated for symptoms of increased drug usage but he didn't take quite enough to overdose. So many dramatic things seem to happen on almost symbolic days. Dying April 21 when SOmetimes it snows in April (a song about the death of a character he played) was written on the same day. And now learning that both his mock overdose picture and a hospital stay happened on the anniversaries of his son's death.

Prince's hospital visit in '96 was on April 21 also. Mayte reportedly found him unconscious in the studio. It's said he'd drank wine and asprin for heart palpitations.

Just for the sake of clarity: She didn't find him, it was a security guy, who was also the one who took him to hospital.

It was also never said that it happened 21 April. That was added later for dramatic value.

OperatingThetan said:

CatB said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

OperatingThetan said:

Prince's hospital visit in '96 was on April 21 also. Mayte reportedly found him unconscious in the studio. It's said he'd drank wine and asprin for heart palpitations.

It still crazy to think to that he thought wine and asprin would help heart palpitations...doesn't make sense

Yes, especially since none of us had ever heard he had heart palpitations (which doesn't necessarily have to mean anything, of course...). Mayte didn't know and one of the other girls from before her time was totally surprised when I mentioned it.

It is also strange that it was red wine. He never drank red wine. When he drank then port.

Strawberrylova123 said:

CatB said:

Just for the sake of clarity: She didn't find him, it was a security guy, who was also the one who took him to hospital.

It was also never said that it happened 21 April. That was added later for dramatic value.

It wasn't added later ,this story has been around since 2002. It was first mentioned in Alex Hahn book

Yes, I know. And that was later. A lot mentioned in his book has been questioned. Many things are still being changed and dismissed, even now, when you talk with the people in question.

I liked it, I like Alex, however there is a lot that's never been verified, like this incident. Just like Roy Bennett's claim that Prince was doing drugs that "was supported by an NPG member who reports that Miko told him that Prince and Miko were snorting cocaine on a regular basis during the Diamonds & Pearls Tour". When Alex wanted to interview Miko for the book Miko didn't even respond. It's a chain of hearsay, like many things in the book. And Miko wasn't even on the Diamonds & Pearls Tour...

Strawberrylova123 said:

OperatingThetan said:

Prince's hospital visit in '96 was on April 21 also. Mayte reportedly found him unconscious in the studio. It's said he'd drank wine and asprin for heart palpitations.

It still crazy to think to that he thought wine and asprin would help heart palpitations...doesn't make sense

You normally don't go to the hospital if it was just wine and aspirin. Didn't he have to have his stomach pumped? It was probably an od. The heart thing was probably just another excuse.

Ok, guys let's try to stay on the topic of the investigation, so we don't have trouble keeping this thread open. Thanks.

[Edited 7/26/18 4:26am]

Agreed that anniversary times can hit people hard, occasionally even dangerously, but in the case of the Buncha Crunch picture, it was also (at least according to this article) the time when Prince opened his Instagram account.

P's "posting frenzy" included jovial captions, e.g. "...in this photo of himself doing an impressive toe touch, the singer challenges us to look inside ourselves and ask, "HOW LONG DO YOU THINK EYE STAYED UP THERE," with a smirking emoji and the eye emoji."

"The 'Purple Rain' singer launched his account only four days ago, and as of Monday afternoon had already posted 88 times. That’s one post every 1.091 hours, in case you were wondering."

PennyPurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

OperatingThetan said: It still crazy to think to that he thought wine and asprin would help heart palpitations...doesn't make sense

You normally don't go to the hospital if it was just wine and aspirin. Didn't he have to have his stomach pumped? It was probably an od. The heart thing was probably just another excuse.

Ok, guys let's try to stay on the topic of the investigation, so we don't have trouble keeping this thread open. Thanks.

[Edited 7/26/18 4:26am]

Agree, wine and aspirin likely stated as they are legal.

Back to the investigation.

Edited to add: Some here seemed to wonder if the Buncha Crunch photo was evidence of questionable people around Prince, e.g. taking/posting that photo of Prince, perhaps unauthorized. I think it's worth considering the following, as well as Danielle Curiel's story (that I noted above) from this article: https://www.gq.com/story/prince-stories

rednblue said:

Agreed that anniversary times can hit people hard, occasionally even dangerously, but in the case of the Buncha Crunch picture, it was also (at least according to this article) the time when Prince opened his Instagram account.

P's "posting frenzy" included jovial captions, e.g. "...in this photo of himself doing an impressive toe touch, the singer challenges us to look inside ourselves and ask, "HOW LONG DO YOU THINK EYE STAYED UP THERE," with a smirking emoji and the eye emoji."

"The 'Purple Rain' singer launched his account only four days ago, and as of Monday afternoon had already posted 88 times. That’s one post every 1.091 hours, in case you were wondering."

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/prince-shared-88-photos-days-instagram/story?id=34747369

RE: reactions such as some recent responses to Purplefam99.

Agree with Peggyon's request that people react more calmly.

Camileyun said:

Just finished reading Judith's interview transcript. I have to say she was very forthcoming with the LE and I was struck by how similar her and Mayte's stories are...both being completely in the dark about Ps drug use. He hid it well from them. It makes me wonder how Mani figured it out (I can't imagine he came out and told her). The other thing that I noticed was just how in control of the narrative P. was, to the extreme.

I think Judith was actually the one who reached out to LE, which is really good, even though Sheila told her not to stay mum. And they could lawyer her up.

SkipperLove said:

Why not specificially?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont believe her "story" to the police.

Got the same question.

Is it that you think even the cleverest of people couldn't hide so much from Judith? Can you elaborate on your doubts?

I don't think the was posed against his consent. If that chocolate overdose picture was not something he wanted, I don't imagine the picture would have stayed up on instagram. When he found out about it, I imagine he would have had it taken down. I think he was keeping himself pretty busy that day on instagram.

rednblue said:

Edited to add: Some here seemed to wonder if the Buncha Crunch photo was evidence of questionable people around Prince, e.g. taking/posting that photo of Prince, perhaps unauthorized. I think it's worth considering the following, as well as Danielle Curiel's story (that I noted above) from this article: https://www.gq.com/story/prince-stories

rednblue said:

Agreed that anniversary times can hit people hard, occasionally even dangerously, but in the case of the Buncha Crunch picture, it was also (at least according to this article) the time when Prince opened his Instagram account.

P's "posting frenzy" included jovial captions, e.g. "...in this photo of himself doing an impressive toe touch, the singer challenges us to look inside ourselves and ask, "HOW LONG DO YOU THINK EYE STAYED UP THERE," with a smirking emoji and the eye emoji."

"The 'Purple Rain' singer launched his account only four days ago, and as of Monday afternoon had already posted 88 times. That’s one post every 1.091 hours, in case you were wondering."

https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/prince-shared-88-photos-days-instagram/story?id=34747369

SkipperLove said:

I don't think the was posed against his consent. If that chocolate overdose picture was not something he wanted, I don't imagine the picture would have stayed up on instagram. When he found out about it, I imagine he would have had it taken down. I think he was keeping himself pretty busy that day on instagram.

Can we please stick to the investigation files. Thank you. We are lucky to get part 12, let's try to make the most of it.

SkipperLove said:

I don't think the was posed against his consent. If that chocolate overdose picture was not something he wanted, I don't imagine the picture would have stayed up on instagram. When he found out about it, I imagine he would have had it taken down. I think he was keeping himself pretty busy that day on instagram.

rednblue said:

Edited to add: Some here seemed to wonder if the Buncha Crunch photo was evidence of questionable people around Prince, e.g. taking/posting that photo of Prince, perhaps unauthorized. I think it's worth considering the following, as well as Danielle Curiel's story (that I noted above) from this article: https://www.gq.com/story/prince-stories

I get that sense, too.

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

Just finished reading Judith's interview transcript. I have to say she was very forthcoming with the LE and I was struck by how similar her and Mayte's stories are...both being completely in the dark about Ps drug use. He hid it well from them. It makes me wonder how Mani figured it out (I can't imagine he came out and told her). The other thing that I noticed was just how in control of the narrative P. was, to the extreme.

I think Judith was actually the one who reached out to LE, which is really good, even though Sheila told her not to stay mum. And they could lawyer her up.

Yes. At the beginning of Judith's interview, Detective Nelson thanks Judith for reaching out.

Going back to the files, I read somewhere that they allowed KJ to stay at Paisley Park? I was going through the files on my laptop but I can't find it, maybe I overlooked it.

That being said, if they really allowed him to stay, then this was one of the bigger fuck ups. He could've moved stuff, didn't Pahedra say she could hack into computers? They could've deleted evidence that shows that they bought these pills. :/

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

I don't think the was posed against his consent. If that chocolate overdose picture was not something he wanted, I don't imagine the picture would have stayed up on instagram. When he found out about it, I imagine he would have had it taken down. I think he was keeping himself pretty busy that day on instagram.

Can we please stick to the investigation files. Thank you. We are lucky to get part 12, let's try to make the most of it.

Sorry Penny! It's so easy to get onto these things (e.g. posted photo that some think may speak to the character of the people around P, painful anniversaries that may leave a person more vulnerable to substance use, etc.).

Again very sorry!

Speaking of Judith's testimony, the sleepiness comments jumped out at me, as they did at some others.

As with MMJAS, they came back to me when reading a Rolling Stone article on fentanyl and the music industry.

"On tour in Florida a few years ago, singer-songwriter Todd Snider was looking for OxyContin to help with shoulder and back pain. The dealer didn’t have any, but did give him a fentanyl patch and lollipop. Snider immediately felt the difference. 'All the other drugs wake me up,' he says, 'but this one knocked me out.' "

https://www.rollingstone....ty-666019/

I hear ya. But it is connected IMO. Sort of like tracing the history of Prince's behaving in either self-harming or emotionally confusing ways on important dates in his life (like his fatal overdose on April 21st).

BACK ON TOPIC----

Reading the files, I came to the conclusion that it is more people's behavior after Prince died than their supposed behavior before he died that seemed extremely odd to me --WITH one big exception, the leaving him alone. I started to think about what would keep them from staying with him that night. If the chef is telling the truth, Meron and Kirk discussed Prince-watching shifts. ( I am not sure the chef is telling the truth though but who knows). What changed their minds? Some theories.. Prince fired them so they had no legal right to stay?. Prince threatened to fire them if they stayed (which they should have ignored and stayed any way.) ? Prince threatened to call the police or self harm if they didn't leave him by himself? Prince simply waved his hands and said "now, leave me be" (but why discuss shifts, if it was so easy to just leave him alone)?, Prince had gone through withdrawl alone in the past so they figured he could do again? they did stay with him and he died earlier that night under their watch but it was obviously his own doing so they covered it up?, one of the two folks didn't show for his or her agreed upon 'shift'?.

Most of Judith's account seems authentic but even she has some odd behavior. The day after her "boyfriend's" overdose, she is back in L.A. promoting her work and his performance. The status of their relationship being questionable also stood out.. These two things could be the behavior of someone who was not in any way a girlfriend but more an employee and mentoree. But why lie to the cops about one's status with Prince? The press I get, but why the cops? A couple theories.. Only Prince and Judith knew their personal status, and Judith staying at the hotel was their way of keeping their relationship secretive? Or Judith thought the relationship was more serious than it really was? Or Judith and Prince were in the beginning of a relationshp that hadn't blossomed completely? As for her going back to L.A. maybe Prince convinced her that damage control and keeping true to work commitments is what he wanted her to do because her career was something they both were invested in and he needed someone to help distract the press from any potential questions about the Moline incident. She apparently kept tabs on him from L.A and made phone calls, but her absense from the scene seemed like the absolute opposite of what she should have been doing. But then again, Prince could be convincing.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

I don't think the was posed against his consent. If that chocolate overdose picture was not something he wanted, I don't imagine the picture would have stayed up on instagram. When he found out about it, I imagine he would have had it taken down. I think he was keeping himself pretty busy that day on instagram.

Can we please stick to the investigation files. Thank you. We are lucky to get part 12, let's try to make the most of it.

SkipperLove said:

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

I hear ya. But it is connected IMO. Sort of like tracing the history of Prince's behaving in either self-harming or emotionally confusing ways on important dates in his life (like his fatal overdose on April 21st).

BACK ON TOPIC----

Reading the files, I came to the conclusion that it is more people's behavior after Prince died than their supposed behavior before he died that seemed extremely odd to me --WITH one big exception, the leaving him alone. I started to think about what would keep them from staying with him that night. If the chef is telling the truth, Meron and Kirk discussed Prince-watching shifts. ( I am not sure the chef is telling the truth though but who knows). What changed their minds? Some theories.. Prince fired them so they had no legal right to stay?. Prince threatened to fire them if they stayed (which they should have ignored and stayed any way.) ? Prince threatened to call the police or self harm if they didn't leave him by himself? Prince simply waved his hands and said "now, leave me be" (but why discuss shifts, if it was so easy to just leave him alone)?, Prince had gone through withdrawl alone in the past so they figured he could do again? they did stay with him and he died earlier that night under their watch but it was obviously his own doing so they covered it up?, one of the two folks didn't show for his or her agreed upon 'shift'?.

Most of Judith's account seems authentic but even she has some odd behavior. The day after her "boyfriend's" overdose, she is back in L.A. promoting her work and his performance. The status of their relationship being questionable also stood out.. These two things could be the behavior of someone who was not in any way a girlfriend but more an employee and mentoree. But why lie to the cops about one's status with Prince? The press I get, but why the cops? A couple theories.. Only Prince and Judith knew their personal status, and Judith staying at the hotel was their way of keeping their relationship secretive? Or Judith thought the relationship was more serious than it really was? Or Judith and Prince were in the beginning of a relationshp that hadn't blossomed completely? As for her going back to L.A. maybe Prince convinced her that damage control and keeping true to work commitments is what he wanted her to do because her career was something they both were invested in and he needed someone to help distract the press from any potential questions about the Moline incident. She apparently kept tabs on him from L.A and made phone calls, but her absense from the scene seemed like the absolute opposite of what she should have been doing. But then again, Prince could be convincing.

PennyPurple said:

Can we please stick to the investigation files. Thank you. We are lucky to get part 12, let's try to make the most of it.

with all respect, it always seems strange to me when people comment on the "odd" behavior of people close to Prince. Let's face it, Prince was the master of odd behavior...why would we think that those who worked for him, were mentored by him or were involved romantically with him would demonstrate behaviors that would seem 'normal' to those of us who live lives radically different???

He chose or sought out people who would/could validate his 'oddness'....so what do we really expect from them? This goes directly to his addictions (drugs, control, making music, promiscuity): if not enabling, then at least he demanded/expected acceptence of whatever he said (aspirin and wine) or did (bike ride rather than rehab).

In another part of this thread someone commented as to why/how Mani may have figured out he was struggling with addiction. While I cringe at her unethical and cold acts re his money, she never came off as dumb. I don't think it took that much to figure it out...anyone who slept with him could have figured it out.

Camileyun said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I just realized what I wrote was basically what you already said

Camileyun said:

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[Edited 7/25/18 16:36pm]

So you read it? Did you notice how almost from the minute P. comes to, his wheels start spinning on controlling the situation - he doesn't miss a beat! Amazing. [Edited 7/25/18 18:04pm]

Prince was in complete damage control and Kirky J's kicked in also.

ThatWhiteDude said:

CatB said:

OperatingThetan said:

SkipperLove said: Prince's hospital visit in '96 was on April 21 also. Mayte reportedly found him unconscious in the studio. It's said he'd drank wine and asprin for heart palpitations.

Just for the sake of clarity: She didn't find him, it was a security guy, who was also the one who took him to hospital.

It was also never said that it happened 21 April. That was added later for dramatic value.

The story and that date were printed in Ronin Ro's book years before Prince died. Not added later for dramatic affect. fact.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

paulludvig said:

So now his music making is reduced to an addiction? I wonder what's left of him once you're done? Addiction, only addiction.

Huh? Stop trying to find an arguement in everything a poster says. It's getting old. We get it, you don't like this thread, so move on.