Strawberrylova123 said:

for the people who don't feel like downloading the transcripts, here's JUDITH HILLS full interview from the

death investigation.

Judith Hill Statement Transcript

Judith Hill Statement Transcript

es.scribd.com

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Thank you for this

ThatWhiteDude said:

You had to have known the response you were going to get when you posted this, littlemiss.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Welcome

Camileyun said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Here are my to the murder theory: I don't believe it was (well unless there's REAL evidence to that) however, I can't blame anyone who believes it was. I mean, when I read the files for the first time, or listened to Theo's interview, the first thing I thought was: Wow, I don't blame anyone who believes that there was more going on than just trying to hide that people purchased the pills for Prince. Phaedra talked about locking Paisley down, going to the bank. And didn't she sell the WB stuff spotify? (correct me if I'm wrong here).

The way people acted is really fishy to say the least. But like I said, I still say it was accidental and that these people just enabled his addiction. either way, it didn't seem like they cared too much about Prince. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it......or when they did it was too late. and the only good thing after his death they could've done was telling everything they know and did. That's the thing they owe him and his fans, the truth. But they lied and continue to lie.

You know what pisses me off the most? There were people who talked about incidents, they were talking AFTER he died. They talk about incidents but you know what I've never heard in one of these statements? That someone really tried to help. And that is the sad part, he had so many people around him during his life.

Yes Prince was a hard person to help and I bet he would've felt like they're getting in his face if they tried but fuck it. He needed someone who'd do exactly that, someone who can talk the talk AND walk the walk. But there was no one.

I agree with your post...as to what really happened, who knows? I just don't think all scenarios were thoroughly investigated. It's like they determined the outcome and then went back and investigated only those things that backed up their position. The list of questions we all have for them is quite extensive.

Yes they were really lazy if you ask me. I thought our questions will be answered when the files are released, but that's not the case.

littlemissG said:

I am curious what event will stop these investigation thread or is this a permanent fixture on the Org now? How about every one just chill until if/when something new is found. Just a thought.

Many sincere Prince fans who still mourn him find comfort in giving him the respect he deserves by not turning away from uncomfortable questions, a flawed investigation or the reality of his addiction. Every time someone on this thread bemoans the fact that he didn't have any Ride or Die friends or lovers who could help him push back against his addictions...it may prompt others to do the same for a friend or loved one in need. That is a good way to remember Prince, it honors him. It keeps his spirit close and alive.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

littlemissG said:

I am curious what event will stop these investigation thread or is this a permanent fixture on the Org now? How about every one just chill until if/when something new is found. Just a thought.

Many sincere Prince fans who still mourn him find comfort in giving him the respect he deserves by not turning away from uncomfortable questions, a flawed investigation or the reality of his addiction. Every time someone on this thread bemoans the fact that he didn't have any Ride or Die friends or lovers who could help him push back against his addictions...it may prompt others to do the same for a friend or loved one in need. That is a good way to remember Prince, it honors him. It keeps his spirit close and alive.

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

Princes dna was on the bottles. I don’t believe it was a setup. Kirk knew about the bayer bottle, why not take it when he cleaned out PP? Where was Prince during this cleaning? LE failed to follow up on that like so many other things.

I think that KJ tried his best to get to the pills, but Prince was probably in his side of PP and KJ couldn't go in there while Prince was there, so he was unable to obtain the bottles in the black bag.

Fair enough, but Meron stayed beind and did not go to the doctor's appointment. Kirk could have instructed her to get them then. She had plenty of time. Plus, LE never questioned her actions during that time. The interviews alone were conducted in a primitive and unbelievable way. I know they can't force them to talk, but they had them there. They could have swayed Meron with guilt: could have said they needed her help and that she could respect and help Prince by providing information.

Little clues could have helped with determining what happened. Where space heaters on when they left? Was it normal for P not to respond to emails at 11ish. Who was Kirk send photos to?

Why was Bremer there so fast? I thought they weren't appointed SA until Tyka filed a petition for such a couple of days after the 21st?

It seems that LE from Carver simply gave up in their investigation. Investigative Report #2, the last pages are results from the DEA about the pill composition and the DEA not seeing pills in similar composition. It abruptly stops.

So, where is the DEA investigation? They are concerned with the supply and manufacturing of the pills. I am not sure if federal investigation reports are public record. If the investigation is closed, perhaps a Freedom Of Information Act request can be done for the records.

Lastly, why were not all files released? 2 years later, and the only thing that has come out of this is the agreement and fine on Dr. S. for the prescription. And mind you, he admitted to that. LE did not have to do much work for that.

Crazy the way this has been handled. Not very diligent, no due process or professionalism. I am thankful that they were respectfull to Prince and the handling of his body. In addition to controlling the photos and video so the media could not exploit it.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think that KJ tried his best to get to the pills, but Prince was probably in his side of PP and KJ couldn't go in there while Prince was there, so he was unable to obtain the bottles in the black bag.

Fair enough, but Meron stayed beind and did not go to the doctor's appointment. Kirk could have instructed her to get them then. She had plenty of time. Plus, LE never questioned her actions during that time. The interviews alone were conducted in a primitive and unbelievable way. I know they can't force them to talk, but they had them there. They could have swayed Meron with guilt: could have said they needed her help and that she could respect and help Prince by providing information.

Little clues could have helped with determining what happened. Where space heaters on when they left? Was it normal for P not to respond to emails at 11ish. Who was Kirk send photos to?

Why was Bremer there so fast? I thought they weren't appointed SA until Tyka filed a petition for such a couple of days after the 21st?

I believe Bremer had a long-standing relationship with Prince re asset-management; perhaps they showed up to act in the best interests of their client...then, their formal appointment just continued the relationship. BTW, IF Prince had had a Will, I'm sure Bremer would have known...I would bet real money that they asked him if he had an estate plan (and probably urged him to have one) before he died.

Bodhitheblackdog said:[quote]

littlemissG said:

I am curious what event will stop these investigation thread or is this a permanent fixture on the Org now? How about every one just chill until if/when something new is found. Just a thought.

Many sincere Prince fans who still mourn him find comfort in giving him the respect he deserves by not turning away from uncomfortable questions, a flawed investigation or the reality of his addiction. Every time someone on this thread bemoans the fact that he didn't have any Ride or Die friends or lovers who could help him push back against his addictions...it may prompt others to do the same for a friend or loved one in need. That is a good way to remember Prince, it honors him. It keeps his spirit close and alive.

[/quote

I love this Bohdi, thank you.

PennyPurple said:

Here is a link to Nelcp777 document that they worked very hard on, and did a great job!

https://docs.google.com/s...=197457494

Ok, so far, I've gotten to line#32

Here's a few notes:

1. Bayer and Aleeve bottles both contained Prince's DNA on them ( there were at LEAST 2 major profiles, why wasn't anyone else in the immediate cirle tested/gotten from a public source for their DNA, if they could list Prince's they should've retrieved at LEAST KJ's.)

2. On the bottle that contained ONLY LIDOCAINE pills, Prince's DNA was NOT found.

3.REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS ONE... Per search warrant (pg 96 of 113) liquid on elevator was NOT ANAYLZED ??????????



as I go, I will throw these questions out there for everyone's input.




THANKS NELCP7777!!!!!

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Camileyun said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

littlemissG said:

I am curious what event will stop these investigation thread or is this a permanent fixture on the Org now? How about every one just chill until if/when something new is found. Just a thought.

Many sincere Prince fans who still mourn him find comfort in giving him the respect he deserves by not turning away from uncomfortable questions, a flawed investigation or the reality of his addiction. Every time someone on this thread bemoans the fact that he didn't have any Ride or Die friends or lovers who could help him push back against his addictions...it may prompt others to do the same for a friend or loved one in need. That is a good way to remember Prince, it honors him. It keeps his spirit close and alive.

[/quote I love this Bohdi, thank you.

You're welcome!

dupe/sorry

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I've only read a portion of Judith's transcript that Strawberryluva put up (thank you), and I'm starting to think it's an Abbott and Costello skit! I understand it was a stressful situation, but the LE sounds like a trainee on his first day on the job! And I know for sure who drove P. and Judith to the airport!!
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Krystalkisses said:

WTF?????? https://ig.me/1JmCtwkD1OmZSAa

seen this many times before...but not until this time did it occur to me....if Prince didn't have a cell phone, WTF TOOK THIS PIC AND POSTED IT???? Even if it wasn't 'a phone' that took this image- there's no way HE DID!...was anyone ASKED about this? NO.

precioux said:

Krystalkisses said:

WTF?????? https://ig.me/1JmCtwkD1OmZSAa

seen this many times before...but not until this time did it occur to me....if Prince didn't have a cell phone, WTF TOOK THIS PIC AND POSTED IT???? Even if it wasn't 'a phone' that took this image- there's no way HE DID!...was anyone ASKED about this? NO.

another great catch...you're ON FIRE!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

nelcp777 said:

Fair enough, but Meron stayed beind and did not go to the doctor's appointment. Kirk could have instructed her to get them then. She had plenty of time. Plus, LE never questioned her actions during that time. The interviews alone were conducted in a primitive and unbelievable way. I know they can't force them to talk, but they had them there. They could have swayed Meron with guilt: could have said they needed her help and that she could respect and help Prince by providing information.

Little clues could have helped with determining what happened. Where space heaters on when they left? Was it normal for P not to respond to emails at 11ish. Who was Kirk send photos to?

Why was Bremer there so fast? I thought they weren't appointed SA until Tyka filed a petition for such a couple of days after the 21st?

I believe Bremer had a long-standing relationship with Prince re asset-management; perhaps they showed up to act in the best interests of their client...then, their formal appointment just continued the relationship. BTW, IF Prince had had a Will, I'm sure Bremer would have known...I would bet real money that they asked him if he had an estate plan (and probably urged him to have one) before he died.

Bodhi, I'm going to throw this in here while I'm thinking of it- otherwise I will forget. In the Asoc Artists forum, there is a thread insinuating Mayte may make a documentary ( or something). I watched this interview with her. She said Prince either ALWAYS had a will in place, and if one wasn't in place- her words- "Any time he was sick or not feeling well, he made sure one was in place".

precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I believe Bremer had a long-standing relationship with Prince re asset-management; perhaps they showed up to act in the best interests of their client...then, their formal appointment just continued the relationship. BTW, IF Prince had had a Will, I'm sure Bremer would have known...I would bet real money that they asked him if he had an estate plan (and probably urged him to have one) before he died.

Bodhi, I'm going to throw this in here while I'm thinking of it- otherwise I will forget. In the Asoc Artists forum, there is a thread insinuating Mayte may make a documentary ( or something). I watched this interview with her. She said Prince either ALWAYS had a will in place, and if one wasn't in place- her words- "Any time he was sick or not feeling well, he made sure one was in place".

I don't disbelieve this and, in fact, I think there was also a Will in place while he was married to his second wife. I do believe we either missed or discounted the impact the second divorce had on him. If the talk is to be believed, the marriage to M2 may have imploded over his drug use which was spiraling out of control. I also believe this period saw his subtle but progressive distancing from the JW's and an embrace of what Prince called celebacy...in short, he was DETACHING from the things that may have given structure to his life. Without those guard rails...manipulating how he felt mentally and physically with drugs assumed an ever increasing place of importance in his life. In the last few days (particularly in the notes of Dr. S) his detachment from his reality was stunning and horrific.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yep....I remember you and I chatting about this, Bodhi. That is why her settlement was so generous (house in Canada worth millions, 3 mil seed money for charity, etc.). Not saying she would have blackmailed him but I would bet that Prince was painfully aware of how she could do some serious damage to his image.

Btw, really enjoying the conversations here...so many insightful, respectful Prince fans!

Since when did airing someone's dirty laundry become a sign of respect?

facedown20160421 said:

17. His jacket and gloves that he wore on 20160420 were on the floor in the corridor outside the yellow room (office with the upright piano). If he took these off soon after he went to ìhis side of townî (around 8pm on 20160420) then I guess we just have to believe that he left them there in the corridor. If a person is feeling really unwell (or perhaps just a bit absent minded) they may leave items randomly on the floor as they wander through their home.

18. Investigative Reports #2 page 97 pt 345 - BCA (Bureau for Criminal Apprehension) ìcould not conduct a quantitative test which would determine how much (the quantity) of the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine. For this reason, Item #40 was released to the DEA for additional testing to determine the quantity of fentanyl vs lidocaine. From this the DEA indicated NO OTHER CASES with the same tabletsî (Investigative Reports #2 page 100 pt 367) ñ in other words anyone else who might have taken this pill didnít end up in the emergency room or dead. And Prince is taking one or two pills only (also note how many half tablets are in his prescription medication bottles ñ lots). So as mentioned before I believe these tablets were manufactured either to trick P into taking them to bring about his death, or to leave all over PP to make it look like P was a hardcore drug addict. But now that Iíve been reminded of Dr Stroblís question (point 11 above) I'm leaning towards the tablets being planted to frame P. By not stating how many tablets would be needed to achieve the extremely high level of fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy, I am doubtful that P took these pills and another way of administering fentanyl (like a nasal spray) was intentionally given to him by a person who intended to kill him on 20160420-21.

29. Investigative Reports #2 page 82 pt 265 ñ After the emergency landing in Moline, Dr Mancha asks if Prince is suicidal and ìhe looked directly at her, made eye contact and said "absolutely not!" . (Aside: a moment earlier he also said he had not been ill recently.)

17.- Let's take into consideration in the docs when an associate was asked about Prince's history and it was stated in 2009 he was coming off of Percocet, 'felt hot', and subsequently was 'running around naked'. That said, it is possible- since Prince stated on 4/20/16 ' I can't kick this', and was withdrawing again...he 'felt hot', threw off his jacket and gloves with no thought...etc.

18. Again, Prince's DNA was found on the bottles, if not on the pills as well (nelcp777?? can you verify the DNA was on the actual pills- that's how it appears on the google doc as opposed to the pill BOTTLES that were tested further down in the google doc.)

Bottom line, the illicit pills were not planted.

29. Prince 'boldly' stated ' absolutely not' when asked if he wanted to harm himself.... if we're taking him at his word, remember Dr. Mancha also caught him in a lie about 'mixing pillls' and confronted him on his choice of words then as well.

precioux said:

Bodhi, I'm going to throw this in here while I'm thinking of it- otherwise I will forget. In the Asoc Artists forum, there is a thread insinuating Mayte may make a documentary ( or something). I watched this interview with her. She said Prince either ALWAYS had a will in place, and if one wasn't in place- her words- "Any time he was sick or not feeling well, he made sure one was in place".

From what I recall both "wills" with the X's were handwritten.

precioux said:

facedown20160421 said:

17. His jacket and gloves that he wore on 20160420 were on the floor in the corridor outside the yellow room (office with the upright piano). If he took these off soon after he went to ìhis side of townî (around 8pm on 20160420) then I guess we just have to believe that he left them there in the corridor. If a person is feeling really unwell (or perhaps just a bit absent minded) they may leave items randomly on the floor as they wander through their home.

18. Investigative Reports #2 page 97 pt 345 - BCA (Bureau for Criminal Apprehension) ìcould not conduct a quantitative test which would determine how much (the quantity) of the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine. For this reason, Item #40 was released to the DEA for additional testing to determine the quantity of fentanyl vs lidocaine. From this the DEA indicated NO OTHER CASES with the same tabletsî (Investigative Reports #2 page 100 pt 367) ñ in other words anyone else who might have taken this pill didnít end up in the emergency room or dead. And Prince is taking one or two pills only (also note how many half tablets are in his prescription medication bottles ñ lots). So as mentioned before I believe these tablets were manufactured either to trick P into taking them to bring about his death, or to leave all over PP to make it look like P was a hardcore drug addict. But now that Iíve been reminded of Dr Stroblís question (point 11 above) I'm leaning towards the tablets being planted to frame P. By not stating how many tablets would be needed to achieve the extremely high level of fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy, I am doubtful that P took these pills and another way of administering fentanyl (like a nasal spray) was intentionally given to him by a person who intended to kill him on 20160420-21.

29. Investigative Reports #2 page 82 pt 265 ñ After the emergency landing in Moline, Dr Mancha asks if Prince is suicidal and ìhe looked directly at her, made eye contact and said "absolutely not!" . (Aside: a moment earlier he also said he had not been ill recently.)

17.- Let's take into consideration in the docs when an associate was asked about Prince's history and it was stated in 2009 he was coming off of Percocet, 'felt hot', and subsequently was 'running around naked'. That said, it is possible- since Prince stated on 4/20/16 ' I can't kick this', and was withdrawing again...he 'felt hot', threw off his jacket and gloves with no thought...etc.

18. Again, Prince's DNA was found on the bottles, if not on the pills as well (nelcp777?? can you verify the DNA was on the actual pills- that's how it appears on the google doc as opposed to the pill BOTTLES that were tested further down in the google doc.)

Bottom line, the illicit pills were not planted.

29. Prince 'boldly' stated ' absolutely not' when asked if he wanted to harm himself.... if we're taking him at his word, remember Dr. Mancha also caught him in a lie about 'mixing pillls' and confronted him on his choice of words then as well.

re your last point, those who criticize this on-going 'conversation' (this thread) bc some of our observations may not be witnessed or are deductions based on life or professional experiences rather than provable 'fact' should consider that even the physicians who interacted with Prince (Drs. Mancha and S.) asked pro-forma questions, and could not 'prove' the veracity of Prince's answers....yet they based their 'treatment plans' and/or medical advice on his BS responses!

paulludvig said:

Who is airing "dirty laundry", paul? I believe this dirty laundry you are referencing was "aired" by the MN LE, no? This is a discussion about it. If you don't like it, I know you are aware of how to avoid the discussion/topic/"dirty laundry airing".

precioux said:

When I read the doc, I could have sworn the caps were tested for dna. The pills were tested for contents. Only pills that varied in appearance were tested.

And ANOTHER thing...referencing CatB’s Reply #1909 on thread 11.

Prince in the MelB’s interview states ‘I celebrate the day I die’ then ‘the family ‘ puts on a ‘Celebration ‘ each year on the DAY OF HIS DEATH-not his birthday...co-ink-y-dink?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yes! You just jogged my memory...Mayte stressed that ‘even if he had to just scribble it down’...’if he even felt a little sick, he made sure SOMETHING was in writing’. She does not believe for a second there was not even a scribble (in same interview)
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PennyPurple said:

Thank you! Looking forward to going through this.

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Here is a link to Nelcp777 document that they worked very hard on, and did a great job!

https://docs.google.com/s...=197457494

Thank you! Looking forward to going through this.

Nelcp777 YOU ROCK! This is enormously helpful and you are generous and thoughtful to pull it together.

precioux said:

Since Prince posted the picture to both his official Instagram and twitter accounts, the reasonable assumption is that he asked someone else to take the picture, then posted it himself. Prince never deleted this post either (there are numerous deleted tweets), so he must've approved it.

I agree that it is macabre in retrospect, but Prince obviously felt it was amusing at the time.