As requested, please continue this discussion here.

To review Part 11, go here.

[I started this thread as an extension of the already posted parts 1 thru 11. I was asked by an Orger to do so, as the other one was due to self lock soon. As someone who has not only gone through the loss of our beloved, Prince, I recently suffered the loss of my youngest son, Alex. I understand the importance of talking these things out. It is because of this that the thread has been continued and not left to die out. But, in talking about this very touchy and horribly sad topic, there will be emotion and attitude mixed in. This is normal - but, we as adults still must keep in mind our pain and suffering is not only reserved for us alone, no ... we must remember that we are all dealing with this in our own way. Any rudeness, bitterness towards other members, disgusting and/or baiting posts will be dealt with extremely harshly. I will not tolerate such behavior on this thread - we're better than that. Any reports of violations in this manner will be handled, and not in a lighthearted way, but harshly. Please don't test me on this. Other than that, please discuss this topic with the idea that Prince's family is reading this, because they are. And post with the sensitivity you'd want if this were your sibling or uncle or friend. Thank you - June7]

Thanks for letting us have part 12

Thank you June 7! It is much appreciated.

Ok, so I think the major thing that was discovered this week was when Precioux noticed on 1 of the reports that KJ was listed as an offender and Prince was listed as a victim.

Here is a link to Nelcp777 document that they worked very hard on, and did a great job!

https://docs.google.com/s...=197457494

June7 said:

As requested, please continue this discussion here.

To review Part 11, go here.

Thank you for this, it means a lot...

This may seem a bit off topic, but I am intrigued by the importance of Image to Prince.

Paul made some very good points about image/legacy being more important to him than death. I agree with this statement.

Another orger suggested we start another thread on Image as it pertains to Prince.

I really think he had been somewhat uncomfortable with who he really was as a young man, ie., short, not handsome etc. and he created an image over time (enigmatic, otherwordly, mysterious, swaggy etc.,)which grew out of hand and I think he needed drugs to give him energy to fuel this image.He eventually became his Brand and valued this unreal false self over his flawed real self. I think abuse of opiates also contributed to the unreality of this construct.

Thanks so much, June 7.

(Apologies for the delay - had to go back to Carver documents to find information. I will try and cite the information sources from here on in.)

For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34

1. Agree - Prince was a tyrant. You did what he said or you were out.

2. Agree - Prince was secretive.

3. If Prince had allowed doctors to examine him and directly requested prescriptions for the prescription drugs he needed, perhaps he would still be alive. (Unless someone wanted him dead.)

4. Some people are hoping that the real Prince is not actually dead. Sorry, but if you look closely at photos all the way from the first album 'For Youî period through to the death scene you will see the same ears and hands, and in particular the same thumb joint. It is all the same man. For those who think the real Prince died after Parade/Under the Cherry Moon, examine the ears and hands all the way through and you will see it is the same man. (With plastic surgery to make one person look like another, they focus on the face. The hands and ears in particular are very unique and usually not part of any plastic surgery.)

5. Rooms in Paisley Park are messy in the investigation photos partly because they are performing searches and going through boxes to search for things. So when I see a box of things turned out in the investigation photos I think it is probably due to the investigation. I donít think things would usually have been lying scattered all over the floor (like in the room with the washing machine and P's clothes). I donít think this means the place was not being cleaned regularly.

6. In Investigative Reports #1 page 14 it says swabs for DNA were taken from P's hands and neck items #14,15,16 - I think this is to see if anyone left their DNA on P. I couldnít find the test results for these swabs in the files. (I don't believe the story of KJ dressing P so that he would not be found naked because I know one person can leave DNA on another person and it can be found, so to me it would not have been worth KJ risking leaving DNA on P's body just to dress him.) I wonder if it is standard practice to look for another personís DNA and whether they found anything.

7. Investigative Reports #2 page 59 pt 122 mentions the clothes discarded in the bathroom and they did not appear to have vomit on them (NOTE: THEY WERE ALSO LOOKING FOR VOMIT). The clothes were to be tested but I can't find any test results for these items. (The overlapping numbering of items in the various reports makes it difficult to track down all the items and associated findings.)

8. 20160426 swabs from elevator were taken. Description can be found in Investigative Reports #2 page 19. 'The pattern seen on the metal showed that the liquid substance ran down the metal and there was a small pool of the dried liquid on the floor of the elevator.î

9. Vomit in airways was noted by paramedics and is mentioned in Investigative Reports #1 page 78 pt 14-16. Elsewhere P isnít eating much but probably drinking the grape juice and water so for the vomit to be liquid fits with this (no chunky food present).

10. If a person takes a tablet and feels unwell then they may try to vomit and bring it up. But by this point the tablet needs to have dissolved and be in the stomach, and therefore the drug should show up in the vomit if it is true that the drug was ingested.

11. Investigative Reports #2 page 54 pt 103 - a high amount of Fentanyl in P's blood from the autopsy 67.8 mcg/l, (compared to a cancer patient using a fentanyl patch with 3-5 mcg/l). Urine tests from the autopsy also show Oxycodone and Hydrocodone.Investigative Reports #1 page 39 pt 66 Medical Examiner informs of the fentanyl in P's blood and asks about nasal sprays at the scene. The officers return to PP to retrieve nasal sprays and eye drops, but the reports indicate no fentanyl found on those items from PP.

It is interesting that the medical examiner Dr Strobl is looking for evidence of the drug being administered by a NASAL SPRAY. Perhaps this is due to the extremely high levels found in P's blood in the autopsy - that the high levels would reflect the use of a nasal spray and NOT a tablet. The reports do not make it clear how many of the fake Watson 853 tablets P would need to take in order to achieve the very high levels of fentanyl in his blood. Other people in this forum have pointed out that fentanyl can be delivered by a nasal spray for assassination purposes. I wonder, once it has been inhaled and is in the blood stream, if it will seep into the stomach and thus that fentanyl will also be detected in the stomach.On the other hand, once Dr Strobl find out the various nasal sprays at PP do not show signs of fentanyl, and the fake Vicodin (Watson 853) pills found all over the place are going to be blamed for the 'accidental overdose', then the narrative requires fentanyl to also be present in the stomach test. The autopsy reports take weeks allowing time to say the stomach also tested positive for fentanyl. (Also see point 18&19 below).

12. In the various bottles there are many half tablets, but often the half tablets are not tested for fentanyl. Since Princeís tests on 20160420 and 20160421 test positive for hydrocodone then perhaps this was because some of the half tablets were real Vicodin and this is what he had been taking on those days. However the test on 20160420 shows

-hydrocodone 253ng/ml.

-hydromorphone 87 ng/l.

And the hydromorphone might be Dilaudid, but there is no evidence of any tablets containing hydromorphone in any of the evidence.Now remember that KJ had 'cleaned outî PP when he left P on 20160420 and I think he would have removed not only alcohol, but any prescription type drug that he knew of in PP. And this is probably why we see no Dilaudid at PP.

13. Investigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 106 - 20160420 P appointment with Dr S. 'Pt is a 57 y.o. male who presents with a friend today for feeling antsy. Symptoms started today. He thinks it might be related to stopping Tylenol, the last of which he took this morning. When questioned if the Tylenol contains other ingredients he stated that he did not know. There has been no nausea or vomiting. He has not had any of the neurologic symptoms he had the last time I had seen him. Denies any pain except some mild discomfort in the hip. No diarrhea. Just feeling antsy, anxious and need of something calming. Feels some IVF may help to restore balance. He is open to having some labs done today and expressed concerns about his adrenal glands due to persistent fatigue. Some hoarseness and weakness to his voice. Mild shakiness but no overt tremors. No fevers. No URI symptoms. No cough. No chest pain. No shortness of breath. No palpitations.îInvestigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 107&108 - 20160420 test results - tested positive for opiates, both Hydrocodone (253ng/ml) and Hydromorphone (87ng/ml). No fentanyl.

14. 'Antsyî and symptoms of opiate withdrawal. Narcan/Naloxone is what P was given at Moline, and Buprenophine/Suboxone is what the recovery centre guy Andrew Kornfield had on him. Both work to interfere with opiates and bring on opiate withdrawal symptoms. Dr S says on 20160420 that P was experiencing opiate withdrawal symptoms and P was looking for something to calm him down. He asked for IV fluids. He also asked if the prescription drugs being prescribed could be given intravenously. Dilaudid may be given intravenously so maybe Dilaudid is what he really wanted. Maybe the person visiting him on the evening of 20160420-21 said they were going to bring him Dilaudid and instead put him down.

15. Given this, on 20160420 I donít think P would have reached for the medication that sent him to the emergency room a week earlier (based on the narrative they are trying to sell us).

16. Prince is experiencing MILD hip pain. Donít think he would have needed to use the elevator. In the video at the doctorís office he is walking pretty well. On 20160420 to Dr S there is no mention of the hand pain or pain in his lower right leg.

Note that his cane is in the yellow office (in the photos). If P was in the office and feeling unwell and needed to get to a phone, then the closest landline phone is in that room, and there is also one in his green bedroom. (The other landline phone mentioned is in the kitchen which is downstairs.) There are bathrooms upstairs. I donít see any reason for P to go downstairs. If he was in tremendous pain (doubled over in agony) wouldnít he use his cane to get around? So to be found dead in an elevator on a day from an overdose of pain medication when his hip wasnít causing much pain is strange, unlikely even.

17. His jacket and gloves that he wore on 20160420 were on the floor in the corridor outside the yellow room (office with the upright piano). If he took these off soon after he went to 'his side of townî (around 8pm on 20160420) then I guess we just have to believe that he left them there in the corridor. If a person is feeling really unwell (or perhaps just a bit absent minded) they may leave items randomly on the floor as they wander through their home.

18. Investigative Reports #2 page 97 pt 345 - BCA (Bureau for Criminal Apprehension) 'could not conduct a quantitative test which would determine how much (the quantity) of the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine. For this reason, Item #40 was released to the DEA for additional testing to determine the quantity of fentanyl vs lidocaine. From this the DEA indicated NO OTHER CASES with the same tabletsî (Investigative Reports #2 page 100 pt 367) - in other words anyone else who might have taken this pill didnít end up in the emergency room or dead. And Prince is taking one or two pills only (also note how many half tablets are in his prescription medication bottles - lots). So as mentioned before I believe these tablets were manufactured either to trick P into taking them to bring about his death, or to leave all over PP to make it look like P was a hardcore drug addict. But now that Iíve been reminded of Dr Stroblís question (point 11 above) I'm leaning towards the tablets being planted to frame P. By not stating how many tablets would be needed to achieve the extremely high level of fentanyl in P's blood from the autopsy, I am doubtful that P took these pills and another way of administering fentanyl (like a nasal spray) was intentionally given to him by a person who intended to kill him on 20160420-21.

19. The DEA looked at phone numbers, credit card statements and packages delivered to PP and could not identify where the counterfeit pills were from. If the DEA had access to all that information, no wonder the Sherriffís office didnít push harder for access to similar information. But this also suggests that the pills didnít arrive at PP through Prince, any of his staff or any of their connections. In other words, the absence of evidence is more proof that the tablets were planted.

20. Meantime on P's computer he performed no searches to find out more about these drugs (they looked between the period 20150314 and 20160423). Instead from the Dr S information we know P was concerned about fatigue and his adrenals, and P also told his chef to not use canola oil due to concern about his adrenals.

21. Investigative Reports #2 page 55 pt 104 - 20160407 Dr S says P 'Feels like pins and needles but does not seem to be waking up like he would expect.' Everyone describes P as someone who doesnít sleep much.

22. Statement Transcripts page 149 -Judith Hill says P said "I enjoy sleeping more these days".

23. Did P know there was morphine in his blood? Is it possible someone had been giving him something to slow him down a bit?

24. In 1996 Oprah asks why Prince lives in Minneapolis, P answers "The cold keeps the bad people out."

25. In the song 'Annie Christian' Prince says heís going to keep moving "I'll live my life in taxi-cabs" and mentions Reagan and Lennon being shot. Some people may think his relentless pace was because he was chasing something. Perhaps he was also making it difficult for certain people to catch him.

26. Statement Transcripts page 193 - Judith Hill says P would wear a particular tank top inside out. Inside out is different to backwards.Investigative Reports #1 page 77 pt 36 & Investigative Reports #2 page 51 pt 84 says P's clothes were on backwards. Elsewhere:

-T-shirt - on backwards;

-Sweatshirt - on backwards (cut when the paramedics attempted CPR);

-Trackpants - on backwards;-Underwear - on normal (forwards - so they might have been prudish satanists, OR trying to associate the event with satanists and so didnít bother with the underwear);

-Socks - inside out;

-Hat - (doesnít say if it was turned inside out).

If you vomit you donít have to have vomit on your clothes. And his clothes were on BACKWARDS, so even if there was evidence of vomit down his front, then you wonít be able to see it because his clothes were taken off him and put back on him backwards once he was lying down dead.

27. Backwards has significant meaning. Prince was well aware of what things sounded like backward and used this in Purple Rain (movie & soundtrack) many times.

28. For those who think Prince was suicidal, back in 1982 in 'Lady Cab Driver' he says 'Trouble winds are blowing, I'm growin' cold, Get me outta here, I feel I'm gonna die'. He has been concerned about living and dying on many occasions.When asked, Judith Hill thought P might be 'fifty fifty' on the question of being suicidal Statement Transcripts page 172.

29. Investigative Reports #2 page 82 pt 265 - After the emergency landing in Moline, Dr Mancha asks if Prince is suicidal and 'he looked directly at her, made eye contact and said "absolutely not!" '. (Aside: a moment earlier he also said he had not been ill recently.)

30. Remember when Prince wrote 'Slave' on his cheek and everyone said it was to do with his contract, and he would say all kinds of random stuff like 'Iím a slave to the truth'. You could say he was being inconsistent. You could say one of these statements is a lie. But there are times when a thing can have multiple meanings. There is a basic level truth, and then a 'secret truth'. Satanists are also big on 'secret truths'.

31. Prince prided himself on hiding double-meanings in plain sight. People thought he was talking about one thing, but the 'secret truth' was really about something else:

-In 'Let's go crazy' there is a lyric 'Electric word life' - so this is about how we are alive due to electricity flowing through us (think of peopleís heart being restarted by a defibrillator, or just think of Frankensteinís monster 'it's alive'). Sure that sounds good. But there is a deeper meaning.

-There is a round building at Paisley Park. They say it was intended as a place to feed the homeless. If that was the case then that is what it would be used for, but that is misdirection. It had a different use.

-At the end of 'Darliní Nikki' and 'Let's go crazy' P says 'the lord is coming soon' and 'he is coming'. If you think he was talking about Jesus Christ, guess again. And this is the reason he no longer played these songs in full after 2003.

32. In The Guardian 23 Jun 2011 'Prince: I'm a musician. I am music.' Prince is quoted as saying "Time is a mind construct. It's not real." In an interview with Larry King Prince said this again and that he doesnít age because he doesnít celebrate birthdays or focus on age. However music transcends space and time. Many musicians talk about hearing music, as though they are tuned in to another world or place. What if early in his life Prince glimpsed an image of his own death scene? - that he would have an afro and be lying down alone in an elevator. It would certainly explain his dislike of elevators, and he hasnít had an afro since he was a teenager. Then later in life, his choosing to wear an afro, and proceed down a certain path would reflect an acceptance of what might be around the corner. This is not being suicidal. It is a form of acceptance that oneís time might be up.

-For Prince dying at age 57 is good because 5+7 is 12, a good number. 1+2=3 is also ok.

-And dying on 20160421 is also ok, sort of, because that works out as =2+1+6+4+2+1 =16 = 1+6 = 7.

And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.

To be clear I do NOT believe Prince was suicidal; I do not believe Prince was intentionally taking fentanyl; and I do not believe Prince took fentanyl on 20160420-21 in an attempt to take his own. Life. Instead I believe at least one person visited Prince that night and caused the overdose with the intention of taking Princeís life. And then his clothes were removed and put on backwards to claim this death as a ritual death for satanic purposes. However I also believe Prince had been a committed Christian in the last part of his life.

And let's not forget his last Instragram "Just when you thought you were safe" (deleted soon after his death). Prince did not feel safe. He knew certain people wanted him dead. Prince was not suicidal. Prince was intentionally poisoned.

And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.

33. I know this sounds like a downer, however Christianís do not fear death because they know where they are going. For certain.So when I think of Prince I think he is very busy preparing for 'let all the choirs and angels sing'.

For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34

[Edited 7/29/18 1:02am]

[Edited 7/29/18 1:03am]

NOt a fan of your username. Facedown and the date of his death? Really? As for your first statement, do we have any proof he forced anyone against their will to do anything so obviously illegal for him? One of his managers was asked for medicine. He got him tylenol. This upset Prince but did it lead to the man's termination? Getting doctor appointments is not illegal. The prescription in Kirk's name might be illegal, but since Kirk never got in trouble for it, it must not have been that illegal. What motive did people have for killing the man? WB? Warner Brothers barely promoted his music after his death. His music is not a massive moneymaker for streaming services.

facedown20160421 said:

(Apologies for the delay ñ had to go back to Carver documents to find information. I will try and cite the information sources from here on in.)

For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34

1. Agree - Prince was a tyrant. You did what he said or you were out.

2. Agree - Prince was secretive.

3. If Prince had allowed doctors to examine him and directly requested prescriptions for the prescription drugs he needed, perhaps he would still be alive. (Unless someone wanted him dead.)

4. Some people are hoping that the real Prince is not actually dead. Sorry, but if you look closely at photos all the way from the first album ìFor Youî period through to the death scene you will see the same ears and hands, and in particular the same thumb joint. It is all the same man. For those who think the real Prince died after Parade/Under the Cherry Moon, examine the ears and hands all the way through and you will see it is the same man. (With plastic surgery to make one person look like another, they focus on the face. The hands and ears in particular are very unique and usually not part of any plastic surgery.)

5. Rooms in Paisley Park are messy in the investigation photos partly because they are performing searches and going through boxes to search for things. So when I see a box of things turned out in the investigation photos I think it is probably due to the investigation. I donít think things would usually have been lying scattered all over the floor (like in the room with the washing machine and Pís clothes). I donít think this means the place was not being cleaned regularly.

6. In Investigative Reports #1 page 14 it says swabs for DNA were taken from Pís hands and neck items #14,15,16 ñ I think this is to see if anyone left their DNA on P. I couldnít find the test results for these swabs in the files. (I donít believe the story of KJ dressing P so that he would not be found naked because I know one person can leave DNA on another person and it can be found, so to me it would not have been worth KJ risking leaving DNA on Pís body just to dress him.) I wonder if it is standard practice to look for another personís DNA and whether they found anything.

7. Investigative Reports #2 page 59 pt 122 mentions the clothes discarded in the bathroom and they did not appear to have vomit on them (NOTE: THEY WERE ALSO LOOKING FOR VOMIT). The clothes were to be tested but I canít find any test results for these items. (The overlapping numbering of items in the various reports makes it difficult to track down all the items and associated findings.)

8. 20160426 swabs from elevator were taken. Description can be found in Investigative Reports #2 page 19. ìThe pattern seen on the metal showed that the liquid substance ran down the metal and there was a small pool of the dried liquid on the floor of the elevator.î

9. Vomit in airways was noted by paramedics and is mentioned in Investigative Reports #1 page 78 pt 14-16. Elsewhere P isnít eating much but probably drinking the grape juice and water so for the vomit to be liquid fits with this (no chunky food present).

10. If a person takes a tablet and feels unwell then they may try to vomit and bring it up. But by this point the tablet needs to have dissolved and be in the stomach, and therefore the drug should show up in the vomit if it is true that the drug was ingested.

11. Investigative Reports #2 page 54 pt 103 ñ a high amount of Fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy 67.8 mcg/l, (compared to a cancer patient using a fentanyl patch with 3-5 mcg/l). Urine tests from the autopsy also show Oxycodone and Hydrocodone.Investigative Reports #1 page 39 pt 66 Medical Examiner informs of the fentanyl in Pís blood and asks about nasal sprays at the scene. The officers return to PP to retrieve nasal sprays and eye drops, but the reports indicate no fentanyl found on those items from PP.

It is interesting that the medical examiner Dr Strobl is looking for evidence of the drug being administered by a NASAL SPRAY. Perhaps this is due to the extremely high levels found in Pís blood in the autopsy ñ that the high levels would reflect the use of a nasal spray and NOT a tablet. The reports do not make it clear how many of the fake Watson 853 tablets P would need to take in order to achieve the very high levels of fentanyl in his blood. Other people in this forum have pointed out that fentanyl can be delivered by a nasal spray for assassination purposes. I wonder, once it has been inhaled and is in the blood stream, if it will seep into the stomach and thus that fentanyl will also be detected in the stomach.On the other hand, once Dr Strobl find out the various nasal sprays at PP do not show signs of fentanyl, and the fake Vicodin (Watson 853) pills found all over the place are going to be blamed for the ìaccidental overdoseî, then the narrative requires fentanyl to also be present in the stomach test. The autopsy reports take weeks allowing time to say the stomach also tested positive for fentanyl. (Also see point 18&19 below).

12. In the various bottles there are many half tablets, but often the half tablets are not tested for fentanyl. Since Princeís tests on 20160420 and 20160421 test positive for hydrocodone then perhaps this was because some of the half tablets were real Vicodin and this is what he had been taking on those days. However the test on 20160420 shows

-hydrocodone 253ng/ml.

-hydromorphone 87 ng/l.

And the hydromorphone might be Dilaudid, but there is no evidence of any tablets containing hydromorphone in any of the evidence.Now remember that KJ had ìcleaned outî PP when he left P on 20160420 and I think he would have removed not only alcohol, but any prescription type drug that he knew of in PP. And this is probably why we see no Dilaudid at PP.

13. Investigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 106 - 20160420 P appointment with Dr S. ìPt is a 57 y.o. male who presents with a friend today for feeling antsy. Symptoms started today. He thinks it might be related to stopping Tylenol, the last of which he took this morning. When questioned if the Tylenol contains other ingredients he stated that he did not know. There has been no nausea or vomiting. He has not had any of the neurologic symptoms he had the last time I had seen him. Denies any pain except some mild discomfort in the hip. No diarrhea. Just feeling antsy, anxious and need of something calming. Feels some IVF may help to restore balance. He is open to having some labs done today and expressed concerns about his adrenal glands due to persistent fatigue. Some hoarseness and weakness to his voice. Mild shakiness but no overt tremors. No fevers. No URI symptoms. No cough. No chest pain. No shortness of breath. No palpitations.îInvestigative Reports #2 page 56 pt 107&108 ñ 20160420 test results ñ tested positive for opiates, both Hydrocodone (253ng/ml) and Hydromorphone (87ng/ml). No fentanyl.

14. ìAntsyî and symptoms of opiate withdrawal. Narcan/Naloxone is what P was given at Moline, and Buprenophine/Suboxone is what the recovery centre guy Andrew Kornfield had on him. Both work to interfere with opiates and bring on opiate withdrawal symptoms. Dr S says on 20160420 that P was experiencing opiate withdrawal symptoms and P was looking for something to calm him down. He asked for IV fluids. He also asked if the prescription drugs being prescribed could be given intravenously. Dilaudid may be given intravenously so maybe Dilaudid is what he really wanted. Maybe the person visiting him on the evening of 20160420-21 said they were going to bring him Dilaudid and instead put him down.

15. Given this, on 20160420 I donít think P would have reached for the medication that sent him to the emergency room a week earlier (based on the narrative they are trying to sell us).

16. Prince is experiencing MILD hip pain. Donít think he would have needed to use the elevator. In the video at the doctorís office he is walking pretty well. On 20160420 to Dr S there is no mention of the hand pain or pain in his lower right leg.

Note that his cane is in the yellow office (in the photos). If P was in the office and feeling unwell and needed to get to a phone, then the closest landline phone is in that room, and there is also one in his green bedroom. (The other landline phone mentioned is in the kitchen which is downstairs.) There are bathrooms upstairs. I donít see any reason for P to go downstairs. If he was in tremendous pain (doubled over in agony) wouldnít he use his cane to get around? So to be found dead in an elevator on a day from an overdose of pain medication when his hip wasnít causing much pain is strange, unlikely even.

17. His jacket and gloves that he wore on 20160420 were on the floor in the corridor outside the yellow room (office with the upright piano). If he took these off soon after he went to ìhis side of townî (around 8pm on 20160420) then I guess we just have to believe that he left them there in the corridor. If a person is feeling really unwell (or perhaps just a bit absent minded) they may leave items randomly on the floor as they wander through their home.

18. Investigative Reports #2 page 97 pt 345 - BCA (Bureau for Criminal Apprehension) ìcould not conduct a quantitative test which would determine how much (the quantity) of the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine. For this reason, Item #40 was released to the DEA for additional testing to determine the quantity of fentanyl vs lidocaine. From this the DEA indicated NO OTHER CASES with the same tabletsî (Investigative Reports #2 page 100 pt 367) ñ in other words anyone else who might have taken this pill didnít end up in the emergency room or dead. And Prince is taking one or two pills only (also note how many half tablets are in his prescription medication bottles ñ lots). So as mentioned before I believe these tablets were manufactured either to trick P into taking them to bring about his death, or to leave all over PP to make it look like P was a hardcore drug addict. But now that Iíve been reminded of Dr Stroblís question (point 11 above) I'm leaning towards the tablets being planted to frame P. By not stating how many tablets would be needed to achieve the extremely high level of fentanyl in Pís blood from the autopsy, I am doubtful that P took these pills and another way of administering fentanyl (like a nasal spray) was intentionally given to him by a person who intended to kill him on 20160420-21.

19. The DEA looked at phone numbers, credit card statements and packages delivered to PP and could not identify where the counterfeit pills were from. If the DEA had access to all that information, no wonder the Sherriffís office didnít push harder for access to similar information. But this also suggests that the pills didnít arrive at PP through Prince, any of his staff or any of their connections. In other words, the absence of evidence is more proof that the tablets were planted.

20. Meantime on Pís computer he performed no searches to find out more about these drugs (they looked between the period 20150314 and 20160423). Instead from the Dr S information we know P was concerned about fatigue and his adrenals, and P also told his chef to not use canola oil due to concern about his adrenals.

21. Investigative Reports #2 page 55 pt 104 - 20160407 Dr S says P 'Feels like pins and needles but does not seem to be waking up like he would expect.' Everyone describes P as someone who doesnít sleep much.

22. Statement Transcripts page 149 -Judith Hill says P said "I enjoy sleeping more these days".

23. Did P know there was morphine in his blood? Is it possible someone had been giving him something to slow him down a bit?

24. In 1996 Oprah asks why Prince lives in Minneapolis, P answers "The cold keeps the bad people out."

25. In the song 'Annie Christian' Prince says heís going to keep moving "I'll live my life in taxi-cabs" and mentions Reagan and Lennon being shot. Some people may think his relentless pace was because he was chasing something. Perhaps he was also making it difficult for certain people to catch him.

26. Statement Transcripts page 193 - Judith Hill says P would wear a particular tank top inside out. Inside out is different to backwards.Investigative Reports #1 page 77 pt 36 & Investigative Reports #2 page 51 pt 84 says Pís clothes were on backwards. Elsewhere:

-T-shirt - on backwards;

-Sweatshirt - on backwards (cut when the paramedics attempted CPR);

-Trackpants - on backwards;-Underwear ñ on normal (forwards ñ so they might have been prudish satanists, OR trying to associate the event with satanists and so didnít bother with the underwear);

-Socks - inside out;

-Hat - (doesnít say if it was turned inside out).

If you vomit you donít have to have vomit on your clothes. And his clothes were on BACKWARDS, so even if there was evidence of vomit down his front, then you wonít be able to see it because his clothes were taken off him and put back on him backwards once he was lying down dead.

27. Backwards has significant meaning. Prince was well aware of what things sounded like backward and used this in Purple Rain (movie & soundtrack) many times.28. For those who think Prince was suicidal, back in 1982 in ìLady Cab Driverî he says ìTrouble winds are blowingí, Iím growiní cold, Get me outta here, I feel Iím gonna dieî. He has been concerned about living and dying on many occasions.When asked, Judith Hill thought P might be ìfifty fiftyî on the question of being suicidal Statement Transcripts page 172.

29. Investigative Reports #2 page 82 pt 265 ñ After the emergency landing in Moline, Dr Mancha asks if Prince is suicidal and ìhe looked directly at her, made eye contact and said "absolutely not!" . (Aside: a moment earlier he also said he had not been ill recently.)

30. Remember when Prince wrote ìSlaveî on his cheek and everyone said it was to do with his contract, and he would say all kinds of random stuff like ìIím a slave to the truthî. You could say he was being inconsistent. You could say one of these statements is a lie. But there are times when a thing can have multiple meanings. There is a basic level truth, and then a ìsecret truthî. Satanists are also big on ìsecret truthsî.

31. Prince prided himself on hiding double-meanings in plain sight. People thought he was talking about one thing, but the ìsecret truthî was really about something else:-In ìLetís go crazyî there is a lyric ìElectric word lifeî ñ so this is about how we are alive due to electricity flowing through us (think of peopleís heart being restarted by a defibrillator, or just think of Frankensteinís monster ìitís aliveî). Sure that sounds good. But there is a deeper meaning. -There is a round building at Paisley Park. They say it was intended as a place to feed the homeless. If that was the case then that is what it would be used for, but that is misdirection. It had a different use.-At the end of ìDarliní Nikkiî and ìLetís go crazyî P says ìthe lord is coming soonî and ìhe is comingî. If you think he was talking about Jesus Christ, guess again. And this is the reason he no longer played these songs in full after 2003.

32. In The Guardian 23 Jun 2011 ìPrince: I'm a musician. I am music. Prince is quoted as saying "Time is a mind construct. It's not real." In an interview with Larry King Prince said this again and that he doesnít age because he doesnít celebrate birthdays or focus on age. However music transcends space and time. Many musicians talk about hearing music, as though they are tuned in to another world or place. What if early in his life Prince glimpsed an image of his own death scene? - that he would have an afro and be lying down alone in an elevator. It would certainly explain his dislike of elevators, and he hasnít had an afro since he was a teenager. Then later in life, his choosing to wear an afro, and proceed down a certain path would reflect an acceptance of what might be around the corner. This is not being suicidal. It is a form of acceptance that oneís time might be up.

-For Prince dying at age 57 is good because 5+7 is 12, a good number. 1+2=3 is also ok.

-And dying on 20160421 is also ok, sort of, because that works out as =2+1+6+4+2+1 =16 = 1+6 = 7.

And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.

To be clear I do NOT believe Prince was suicidal; I do not believe Prince was intentionally taking fentanyl; and I do not believe Prince took fentanyl on 20160420-21 in an attempt to take his own. Life. Instead I believe at least one person visited Prince that night and caused the overdose with the intention of taking Princeís life. And then his clothes were removed and put on backwards to claim this death as a ritual death for satanic purposes. However I also believe Prince had been a committed Christian in the last part of his life.

And with the way the world is going perhaps it is a better thing to NOT be around for the next chapter.

33. I know this sounds like a downer, however Christianís do not fear death because they know where they are going. For certain.So when I think of Prince I think he is very busy preparing for 'let all the choirs and angels sing'.

For more info see Prince's Death Investigation: Part 11" page 34

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He was never ugly. Owen Husney said that when he met him he thought he was gorgeous. But songs like Lady Cab Driver make me think he never thought of himself as handsome. "Kind of cute" is how he referred to himself in SOmething in the Water. So your point is very valid. However, I never thought his image was intended to be unflawed. He admitted many of his flaws publically. Never admitted drug usage but he admitted that he had a mean side, he admitted that he made mistakes in the past. I think the "image" is more that of someone untouchable, in control, strong, and always on point physically and professionally.

peggyon said:

This may seem a bit off topic, but I am intrigued by the importance of Image to Prince.

Paul made some very good points about image/legacy being more important to him than death. I agree with this statement.

Another orger suggested we start another thread on Image as it pertains to Prince.

I really think he had been somewhat uncomfortable with who he really was as a young man, ie., short, not handsome etc. and he created an image over time (enigmatic, otherwordly, mysterious, swaggy etc.,)which grew out of hand and I think he needed drugs to give him energy to fuel this image.He eventually became his Brand and valued this unreal false self over his flawed real self. I think abuse of opiates also contributed to the unreality of this construct.

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I just tried to find an article to re-read about the 80's recordings in which MJ talked about Prince and the possibility that he might commit suicide one day.

One has to see it in the context of the time, so I don't think this was anything that applied in 2016 but I still find it interesting that both basically died from the same - loss of control over their life and not being able to ask for help. Being surrounded by Yes-sayers and (knowingly or not) enablers.

I thought the "Independent" would be an OK source but then I saw a "funny" mistake in the article...



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-jackson-prince-death-mean-nasty-new-recordings-a7103971.html



"The tapes obtained by The Mirror were recorded three decades ago for Prince’s 1988 autobiography Moonwalker.


“I don’t like to be compared to Prince at all. I have proven myself since I was real little. It’s not fair,” Jackson said."



Ouch. He doesn't like to be compared to P and gets just that. Now P is even the author of his autobiography.

That recording has been discredited by the folks who worked on the documentary about MJ. Regardless if its true or not, what MJ said in 1988 may not apply to later interactions with Prince. I have to say -- although I don't think MJ was a pedophile, I do think he had a mean side that is often sugarcoated by his fans and the press. Probably a lovely man overall but I have heard him badmouth Madonna, have read about him being pretty cold with Jermaine, has seen him firing people for mistakes, supposedly was quoted as saying some anti-semitic stuff, seen him sabotage Jackson 5 reunions, and I suspect he could be just as competitive and petty as Prince (really if anyone started the supposed "beef" between him and Prince, it was actually him when he kind of sabotaged Prince at the James Brown concert and later badmouthed Purple Rain by publically saying the music was just ok but that Prince was bad in it and he didn't like him.

CatB said:

I just tried to find an article to re-read about the 80's recordings in which MJ talked about Prince and the possibility that he might commit suicide one day.

One has to see it in the context of the time, so I don't think this was anything that applied in 2016 but I still find it interesting that both basically died from the same - loss of control over their life and not being able to ask for help. Being surrounded by Yes-sayers and (knowingly or not) enablers.

I thought the "Independent" would be an OK source but then I saw a "funny" mistake in the article...



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/michael-jackson-prince-death-mean-nasty-new-recordings-a7103971.html



"The tapes obtained by The Mirror were recorded three decades ago for Prince’s 1988 autobiography Moonwalker.


“I don’t like to be compared to Prince at all. I have proven myself since I was real little. It’s not fair,” Jackson said."



Ouch. He doesn't like to be compared to P and gets just that. Now P is even the author of his autobiography.

SkipperLove said:

Ironically, Kirk not taking the bayer bottle that people knew was associated with a previous overdose and attempting to hide it, is exactly what makes it seem like it was NOT a set-up. His name on prescriptions that could so easily be traced back to him doesn't reek of a set-up either. A set-up usually is thought out much better than that. Everything around Kirk's behavior reeks of incompetency, stress-induced mistakes, indecisiveness, and pressure to keep secrets even after the man's death. If Kirk was telling the truth to Manuela about cleaning out the drugs, he might have felt he had to do it in the parts of Paisley Park he could sneak around in and not be seen by Prince himself, so he missed the bulk of the drugs as a result.

nelcp777 said:

SkipperLove said:

NOt a fan of your username. Facedown and the date of his death? Really? As for your first statement, do we have any proof he forced anyone against their will to do anything so obviously illegal for him? One of his managers was asked for medicine. He got him tylenol. This upset Prince but did it lead to the man's termination? Getting doctor appointments is not illegal. The prescription in Kirk's name might be illegal, but since Kirk never got in trouble for it, it must not have been that illegal. What motive did people have for killing the man? WB? Warner Brothers barely promoted his music after his death. His music is not a massive moneymaker for streaming services.

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Princes dna was on the bottles. I don’t believe it was a setup. Kirk knew about the bayer bottle, why not take it when he cleaned out PP? Where was Prince during this cleaning? LE failed to follow up on that like so many other things.

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SkipperLove said:

Ironically, Kirk not taking the bayer bottle that people knew was associated with a previous overdose and attempting to hide it, is exactly what makes it seem like it was NOT a set-up. His name on prescriptions that could so easily be traced back to him doesn't reek of a set-up either. A set-up usually is thought out much better than that. Everything around Kirk's behavior reeks of incompetency, stress-induced mistakes, indecisiveness, and pressure to keep secrets even after the man's death. If Kirk was telling the truth to Manuela about cleaning out the drugs, he might have felt he had to do it in the parts of Paisley Park he could sneak around in and not be seen by Prince himself, so he missed the bulk of the drugs as a result.

nelcp777 said:

SkipperLove said: Princes dna was on the bottles. I don’t believe it was a setup. Kirk knew about the bayer bottle, why not take it when he cleaned out PP? Where was Prince during this cleaning? LE failed to follow up on that like so many other things.

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Skipper, I agree with your comments. Perhaps the files that were not released for Kirk and Meron contain more information that what has been released. LE did not do a thorough job during interviews and follow up leads.

Once pills were found during the initial search, PP should not have been released to the Bremer/family.

As for the allegation of Kirk, Phaedra and Meron destroying/shredding things, cell phone pings could help with that. If the 3 were pinging on the same cell tower nearest PP, at the same time, that would allow investigators to dig deeper. I don't think they went past the 21st for cell records (I could be wrong).

Lastly, detectives should have attended the memorial at PP. This is a norm. It helps them see if anything is odd. I am dumbfounded on how simple investigative work was not completed. And I am not saying this to be disrespectful.

nelcp777 said:

Princes dna was on the bottles. I don’t believe it was a setup. Kirk knew about the bayer bottle, why not take it when he cleaned out PP? Where was Prince during this cleaning? LE failed to follow up on that like so many other things.

I think that KJ tried his best to get to the pills, but Prince was probably in his side of PP and KJ couldn't go in there while Prince was there, so he was unable to obtain the bottles in the black bag.

PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

Princes dna was on the bottles. I don’t believe it was a setup. Kirk knew about the bayer bottle, why not take it when he cleaned out PP? Where was Prince during this cleaning? LE failed to follow up on that like so many other things.

I think that KJ tried his best to get to the pills, but Prince was probably in his side of PP and KJ couldn't go it there while Prince was there, so he was unable to obtain the bottles in the black bag.

this whole scenario with LE dropping the ball all over the field makes one wonder if they EVER thoroughly investigate a death where drugs are involved...I mean, if they couldn't bring their A Game for Prince...what would they do for an unknown, homeless or poor person? It's gut wrenching.

Krystalkisses said:

WTF?????? https://ig.me/1JmCtwkD1OmZSAa

That's terrible.

Here are my to the murder theory: I don't believe it was (well unless there's REAL evidence to that) however, I can't blame anyone who believes it was. I mean, when I read the files for the first time, or listened to Theo's interview, the first thing I thought was: Wow, I don't blame anyone who believes that there was more going on than just trying to hide that people purchased the pills for Prince. Phaedra talked about locking Paisley down, going to the bank. And didn't she sell the WB stuff spotify? (correct me if I'm wrong here).

The way people acted is really fishy to say the least. But like I said, I still say it was accidental and that these people just enabled his addiction. either way, it didn't seem like they cared too much about Prince. I'm sorry, but that's how I see it......or when they did it was too late. and the only good thing after his death they could've done was telling everything they know and did. That's the thing they owe him and his fans, the truth. But they lied and continue to lie.

You know what pisses me off the most? There were people who talked about incidents, they were talking AFTER he died. They talk about incidents but you know what I've never heard in one of these statements? That someone really tried to help. And that is the sad part, he had so many people around him during his life.

Yes Prince was a hard person to help and I bet he would've felt like they're getting in his face if they tried but fuck it. He needed someone who'd do exactly that, someone who can talk the talk AND walk the walk. But there was no one.

ThatWhiteDude said:

That picture was posted by Prince in 2015. Creepy to see it now. But it was definitely his body. I think he even tweeted about being introduced to those candies and loving them. (although I doubt he was able to consume that many of them towards the end.) Not sure why he was painted yellow though or who else thought it was funny to shoot that picture with him. Prince's macabre side definitely.

Krystalkisses said:

WTF?????? https://ig.me/1JmCtwkD1OmZSAa

SkipperLove said:

for the people who don't feel like downloading the transcripts, here's JUDITH HILLS full interview from the

death investigation.

Judith Hill Statement Transcript

Judith Hill Statement Transcript

es.scribd.com

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Thank you Strawberry! That's a great help.

littlemissG said:

I am curious what event will stop these investigation thread or is this a permanent fixture on the Org now? How about every one just chill until if/when something new is found. Just a thought.

How about people who don't want to discuss this until something new is found just don't visit this thread. Just a thought.