Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, there were pics of some food sitting on the table, but it didn't look like the food the Chef said he made the night before.

There are pictures of the food Prince was supposed to eat that night...in the Fridge..

You can clearly see the beet salad....

Weird that there was other food left ..

WHose was it ? It looked like Take Out....

WHo was there the night before eating in that space ?

Princes glasses and a CD were next to the food...But we know the personal Chef made his last meal and it wasnt THAT ONE..

SO WHO was that for ? and were the glasses and CD Staged ?

I must have missed seeing the salad and soup in the fridge, Lovejunky. I will review all of it again in the next few days when I have time. But you make a very good point...who WAS that food on the table for? I saw the glasses and CD too and it just seemed off.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Kornfeld all but confirms this as he was waiting in a room when he heard the scream and went straight to the elevator and saw Prince .According to him, signs of rigor has alrady set in.

So kirk, was apparently already upstairs and had canvased the area prior to the detectives( or was he)?

Statement reads that "while on the second floor during sweep, we noticed a black glove and black colored garment (jacket) lying in the hallway. Kirk was asked it that was normal. He responds that no it is not and that is why he didnt touch it". If Prince is already dressed , why are these things distributed on the floor ( especlally one glove)as if someone was disoriented? Where is the other glove? Did he have this one prior to entering the elevator? Weird. Page 19/ #7

Kirk admits that he could tell that Prince was going thru withdrawal symptoms while on the ride home from the doctor on 4-20-2016. This is around 1700 hours (5pm). Pg 21/#7

Menes said:

Menes said:

So kirk, was apparently already upstairs and had canvased the area prior to the detectives( or was he)?

Statement reads that "while on the second floor during sweep, we noticed a black glove and black colored garment (jacket) lying in the hallway. Kirk was asked it that was normal. He responds that no it is not and that is why he didnt touch it". If Prince is already dressed , why are these things distributed on the floor ( especlally one glove)as if someone was disoriented? Where is the other glove? Did he have this one prior to entering the elevator? Weird. Page 19/ #7

Kirk admits that he could tell that Prince was going thru withdrawal symptoms while on the ride home from the doctor on 4-20-2016. This is around 1700 hours (5pm). Pg 21/#7

Schuelenberg admits that Prince's chief complaint on 4-20 was that he was "antsy" Page 21/#10

Menes said:

Menes said:

Kirk admits that he could tell that Prince was going thru withdrawal symptoms while on the ride home from the doctor on 4-20-2016. This is around 1700 hours (5pm). Pg 21/#7

Schuelenberg admits that Prince's chief complaint on 4-20 was that he was "antsy" Page 21/#10

The elevator is forty feet south of the front door on the west side of the hallway. There is a stairway leading up to the second floor and the elevator is tucked under the stariway. This leaves a small covered waiting type area outside the elevator door. This area is where the body of Prince laid. Page 27/#9.

I think we now a sense of direction, as it was hard to make out north, south, east and west in this place.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Schuelenberg admits that Prince's chief complaint on 4-20 was that he was "antsy" Page 21/#10

The elevator is forty feet south of the front door on the west side of the hallway. There is a stairway leading up to the second floor and the elevator is tucked under the stariway. This leaves a small covered waiting type area outside the elevator door. This area is where the body of Prince laid. Page 27/#9.

I think we now a sense of direction, as it was hard to make out north, south, east and west in this place.

It appears the two medcial patchces (arm and leg) was for the tingling as described by Dr.Schulenberg. Perhaps prescribed. No mention of what they were other than color(white).pg27/#10

Menes said:

Menes said:

The elevator is forty feet south of the front door on the west side of the hallway. There is a stairway leading up to the second floor and the elevator is tucked under the stariway. This leaves a small covered waiting type area outside the elevator door. This area is where the body of Prince laid. Page 27/#9.

I think we now a sense of direction, as it was hard to make out north, south, east and west in this place.

It appears the two medcial patchces (arm and leg) was for the tingling as described by Dr.Schulenberg. Perhaps prescribed. No mention of what they were other than color(white).pg27/#10

Temp was around 72- 75 degrees thruout. Could possibly affect body temp post -mortem along with other factors; The scope of that "warm to the touch feeling" statement is too hard to quantify ; too many variables.

Menes said:

Menes said:

It appears the two medcial patchces (arm and leg) was for the tingling as described by Dr.Schulenberg. Perhaps prescribed. No mention of what they were other than color(white).pg27/#10

Temp was around 72- 75 degrees thruout. Could possibly affect body temp post -mortem along with other factors; The scope of that "warm to the touch feeling" statement is too hard to quantify ; too many variables.

Meroe has a miraculous vision and ceases communication after giving initial statement, We know the story there. Pg27/#20

Menes said:

Menes said:

Temp was around 72- 75 degrees thruout. Could possibly affect body temp post -mortem along with other factors; The scope of that "warm to the touch feeling" statement is too hard to quantify ; too many variables.

Meroe has a miraculous vision and ceases communication after giving initial statement, We know the story there. Pg27/#20

On south east wall of elevator, there's a splash of fluid under hand rail; Swabs taken. South=back/east=right?

* Someone remember position head/feet were found.

Right now I'm reading KJ's interview zip file 5 page 68. Kirk is saying that it's not unusual for Prince to text or email at 2 or 3 in the morning. How could P text if he didn't have a cell phone?

Page 70 Kirk told the detective that his phone has been blowing up, he asked the detective, how would anybody know (that P had died) the detective said it could be anybody (telling the press).

Page 71 Prince asked KJ for help, that he needed to talk to somebody.


Page 76 Kirk said the samething he was wearing on 4/20 is what he was found in on 4/21

Page 77 It was typical of Prince to use the elevator since he had his hip surgery.

Page 79 The detective recapped and said Prince admitted to you he had a problem and he wanted to try to reach out and get some help? Kirk answered 'Yeah'. Kirk was asked how long has this been going on, and he said he had no idea, he said that he was trying to reach back to people and nobody would tell him anything, (meaning other associates) he thought they were scared to say something.

Page 81, who was closet to P in his circle, KJ answered, Meron, his sister, Larry, Phaedra.

Page 82, they brought Dr. K in, in hopes that Prince would talk to him because Prince asked for help and that is what P wanted.

Not 1 time did they ask KJ where or how Prince was found.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Kornfeld all but confirms this as he was waiting in a room when he heard the scream and went straight to the elevator and saw Prince .According to him, signs of rigor has alrady set in.

So kirk, was apparently already upstairs and had canvased the area prior to the detectives( or was he)?

Statement reads that "while on the second floor during sweep, we noticed a black glove and black colored garment (jacket) lying in the hallway. Kirk was asked it that was normal. He responds that no it is not and that is why he didnt touch it". If Prince is already dressed , why are these things distributed on the floor ( especlally one glove)as if someone was disoriented? Where is the other glove? Did he have this one prior to entering the elevator? Weird. Page 19/ #7

Well that sounds like Kirk was up there, 1 glove could've been in the jacket pocket, it's not unusual to stuff your gloves in your pocket and 1 falls out.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Meroe has a miraculous vision and ceases communication after giving initial statement, We know the story there. Pg27/#20

On south east wall of elevator, there's a splash of fluid under hand rail; Swabs taken. South=back/east=right?

* Someone remember position head/feet were found.

In living area (upstairs) batch found in what appears to be a dressing room; Pills had discriptive number, but was not in prescription bottle. In Prince's bedroom, one pill found in bedding and appeared similar to pill found in dressing room. pg28-#27-30

Menes said:

Menes said:

The elevator is forty feet south of the front door on the west side of the hallway. There is a stairway leading up to the second floor and the elevator is tucked under the stariway. This leaves a small covered waiting type area outside the elevator door. This area is where the body of Prince laid. Page 27/#9.

I think we now a sense of direction, as it was hard to make out north, south, east and west in this place.

It appears the two medcial patchces (arm and leg) was for the tingling as described by Dr.Schulenberg. Perhaps prescribed. No mention of what they were other than color(white).pg27/#10

No I read where those were the leads that the EMT's placed to see if there was heartbeat, and it was flatlined. They were going to do the defibulator but the EMT's said they had a flatline.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

So kirk, was apparently already upstairs and had canvased the area prior to the detectives( or was he)?

Statement reads that "while on the second floor during sweep, we noticed a black glove and black colored garment (jacket) lying in the hallway. Kirk was asked it that was normal. He responds that no it is not and that is why he didnt touch it". If Prince is already dressed , why are these things distributed on the floor ( especlally one glove)as if someone was disoriented? Where is the other glove? Did he have this one prior to entering the elevator? Weird. Page 19/ #7

Well that sounds like Kirk was up there, 1 glove could've been in the jacket pocket, it's not unusual to stuff your gloves in your pocket and 1 falls out.

True, want to see if another glove was found further on down in reports. But he (KJ) was up there prior to detectives.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

It appears the two medcial patchces (arm and leg) was for the tingling as described by Dr.Schulenberg. Perhaps prescribed. No mention of what they were other than color(white).pg27/#10

No I read where those were the leads that the EMT's placed to see if there was heartbeat, and it was flatlined. They were going to do the defibulator but the EMT's said they had a flatline.

ok. Thanks.

Menes said:

Menes said:

On south east wall of elevator, there's a splash of fluid under hand rail; Swabs taken. South=back/east=right?

* Someone remember position head/feet were found.

In living area (upstairs) batch found in what appears to be a dressing room; Pills had discriptive number, but was not in prescription bottle. In Prince's bedroom, one pill found in bedding and appeared similar to pill found in dressing room. pg28-#27-30

So far pills are found in two rooms:Prince's bedroom and room adjacent to his bedroom.It appears these rooms are on the north-east side of the building. I think Purplefam99 pointed us in that direction?

Menes said:

Menes said:

Meroe has a miraculous vision and ceases communication after giving initial statement, We know the story there. Pg27/#20

On south east wall of elevator, there's a splash of fluid under hand rail; Swabs taken. South=back/east=right?

* Someone remember position head/feet were found.

SE would've been on the control panel if you were inside the elevator facing the doors, The doors actually face east (?) so because North would've been to the left if you were facing inside door. So yes I would say that splash would be SE.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Well that sounds like Kirk was up there, 1 glove could've been in the jacket pocket, it's not unusual to stuff your gloves in your pocket and 1 falls out.

True, want to see if another glove was found further on down in reports. But he (KJ) was up there prior to detectives.

Sounds like it. Andrew said KJ was gone for about 15 minutes then came back and looked nervous and took Meron with him.

Menes said:

Menes said:

In living area (upstairs) batch found in what appears to be a dressing room; Pills had discriptive number, but was not in prescription bottle. In Prince's bedroom, one pill found in bedding and appeared similar to pill found in dressing room. pg28-#27-30

So far pills are found in two rooms:Prince's bedroom and room adjacent to his bedroom.It appears these rooms are on the north-east side of the building. I think Purplefam99 pointed us in that direction?

Apparently a blood sample was taken the night before Prince died and was to be analyzed for toxicology to compare with sample taken at autopsy. Who took this sample? Dr Schulenberg? And why? Page30#49

Menes said:

Menes said:

So far pills are found in two rooms:Prince's bedroom and room adjacent to his bedroom.It appears these rooms are on the north-east side of the building. I think Purplefam99 pointed us in that direction?

Apparently a blood sample was taken the night before Prince died and was to be analyzed for toxicology to compare with sample taken at autopsy. Who took this sample? Dr Schulenberg? And why? Page30#49

Dr. S took it for testing. That's when it showed slight anemia and a UA showed hydrocodone and hydromorphone.

Menes said:

Menes said:

So far pills are found in two rooms:Prince's bedroom and room adjacent to his bedroom.It appears these rooms are on the north-east side of the building. I think Purplefam99 pointed us in that direction?

Apparently a blood sample was taken the night before Prince died and was to be analyzed for toxicology to compare with sample taken at autopsy. Who took this sample? Dr Schulenberg? And why? Page30#49

The heavy: 5-9-2016; Toxicology report back. Levels of prescription medication found(hydrocdone) in urine but none in blood. Blood contained high level of fentannyl; 67.8 MCG per liter of blood. Page31#60

* How long does hydrocone stay in ones urine and subsequently detected? Why would it be detected in the urine and not the blood? We have some information here to determine to a degree, how much, when , and what.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Apparently a blood sample was taken the night before Prince died and was to be analyzed for toxicology to compare with sample taken at autopsy. Who took this sample? Dr Schulenberg? And why? Page30#49

The heavy: 5-9-2016; Toxicology report back. Levels of prescription medication found(hydrocdone) in urine but none in blood. Blood contained high level of fentannyl; 67.8 MCG per liter of blood. Page31#60

* How long does hydrocone stay in ones urine and subsequently detected? Why would it be detected in the urine and not the blood? We have some information here to determine to a degree, how much, when , and what.

I don't think Dr. S. tested for it in the blood? Someone told the ME to compare the 2.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Apparently a blood sample was taken the night before Prince died and was to be analyzed for toxicology to compare with sample taken at autopsy. Who took this sample? Dr Schulenberg? And why? Page30#49

The heavy: 5-9-2016; Toxicology report back. Levels of prescription medication found(hydrocdone) in urine but none in blood. Blood contained high level of fentannyl; 67.8 MCG per liter of blood. Page31#60

* How long does hydrocone stay in ones urine and subsequently detected? Why would it be detected in the urine and not the blood? We have some information here to determine to a degree, how much, when , and what.

Interesting this one: 5-9-2016 " Spoke to Chief Deptuty Kamerdu and Sheriff Olson about news from blood analysis. Explained that needed to return to PP and search the building again looking for items that could contain the drug, fentanyl". Page31 #61

Is this after they had already taken the pills that Det Wagner found in the two rooms for testing? Is it the same pills?

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

The heavy: 5-9-2016; Toxicology report back. Levels of prescription medication found(hydrocdone) in urine but none in blood. Blood contained high level of fentannyl; 67.8 MCG per liter of blood. Page31#60

* How long does hydrocone stay in ones urine and subsequently detected? Why would it be detected in the urine and not the blood? We have some information here to determine to a degree, how much, when , and what.

I don't think Dr. S. tested for it in the blood? Someone told the ME to compare the 2.

He didnt, ( the ME did). As to the second part ( re: hydrcodone) information is available about an average metabolic rate/time in urine and blood. There was another report I saw concerning what was the amount of Hydrcodone in the urine. I want see if it was in this official report.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Apparently a blood sample was taken the night before Prince died and was to be analyzed for toxicology to compare with sample taken at autopsy. Who took this sample? Dr Schulenberg? And why? Page30#49

The heavy: 5-9-2016; Toxicology report back. Levels of prescription medication found(hydrocdone) in urine but none in blood. Blood contained high level of fentannyl; 67.8 MCG per liter of blood. Page31#60

* How long does hydrocone stay in ones urine and subsequently detected? Why would it be detected in the urine and not the blood? We have some information here to determine to a degree, how much, when , and what.

Zipfile 5 page 127 Dr. S says he did do a drug screen but that test had not came back yet. He said he always runs confirmation tests, and that will tell you any drug in the blood.

And I think when those tests came back they were sent to the ME.

[Edited 6/25/18 18:30pm]

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't think Dr. S. tested for it in the blood? Someone told the ME to compare the 2.

He didnt, ( the ME did). As to the second part ( re: hydrcodone) information is available about an average metabolic rate/time in urine and blood. There was another report I saw concerning what was the amount of Hydrcodone in the urine. I want see if it was in this official report.

*sidenote* On 5-10, (less than 30 days after the death) , Sherriff Olson had already made arrangements for Bremer bank( administrator) to come to the house? Didn't know that as I wasn't keeping up with the estate thread. That was quick. Is this because of the will/ cremation and so forth? It's not that important to me but was curious.

Nola said:

nelcp777 said:

Actually, they missed a lot. Even the interviews were not controlled and key questions were not asked.The computer was just one of many things overlooked. They had to go back and swap the elevator.

Even if there was strong predication or reasonable doubt to charge someone, there are so many blunders that the case would be hard to defend.

It seems once they had the cause of death, the attention turned onto who supplied the pills.

Maybe we as fans are more interested on how this happened to Prince and his actions? That is not neccessarily a bad thing.

Also, (and bear with me - I haven't looked at the pictures in awhile - I may be wrong), wasn't there an interview with the chef who said he had prepared dinner for Prince the night before he died and left it in the fridge for him, and he was 'sad' to see it hadn't been touched when he returned to PP several days after the death? There was food left out on the table untouched, but if he left the food in the fridge and it was still there untouched several days later? It was just another thing that gave me pause at the time I first read the reports and saw the pictures. But like I say, I could be remembering wrong. I should have another look at all of it to remind myself of the things I thought were 'off' when I first saw the reports and pictures.

Zipfile 5 Page 137. Meron says that she does go up there to get something to eat for her. She said she does grab stuff for her when she is in. (food) That is when she was being question about the Chef.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

The heavy: 5-9-2016; Toxicology report back. Levels of prescription medication found(hydrocdone) in urine but none in blood. Blood contained high level of fentannyl; 67.8 MCG per liter of blood. Page31#60

* How long does hydrocone stay in ones urine and subsequently detected? Why would it be detected in the urine and not the blood? We have some information here to determine to a degree, how much, when , and what.

Zipfile 5 page 127 Dr. S says he did do a drug screen but that test had not came back yet. He said he always runs confirmation tests, and that will tell you any drug in the blood.

And I think when those tests came back they were sent to the ME.

[Edited 6/25/18 18:30pm]

Mmm, page 31 # 60 said this toxicology report was from ME. Im not talking about the one from the night before his death with this post. There are two different ones.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

The heavy: 5-9-2016; Toxicology report back. Levels of prescription medication found(hydrocdone) in urine but none in blood. Blood contained high level of fentannyl; 67.8 MCG per liter of blood. Page31#60

* How long does hydrocone stay in ones urine and subsequently detected? Why would it be detected in the urine and not the blood? We have some information here to determine to a degree, how much, when , and what.

Zipfile 5 page 127 Dr. S says he did do a drug screen but that test had not came back yet. He said he always runs confirmation tests, and that will tell you any drug in the blood.

And I think when those tests came back they were sent to the ME.

[Edited 6/25/18 18:30pm]

OMG Penny, you're amazing!

Menes said:

Menes said:

He didnt, ( the ME did). As to the second part ( re: hydrcodone) information is available about an average metabolic rate/time in urine and blood. There was another report I saw concerning what was the amount of Hydrcodone in the urine. I want see if it was in this official report.

*sidenote* On 5-10, (less than 30 days after the death) , Sherriff Olson had already made arrangements for Bremer bank( administrator) to come to the house? Didn't know that as I wasn't keeping up with the estate thread. That was quick. Is this because of the will/ cremation and so forth? It's not that important to me but was curious.

Is that when they opened the vault?

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Zipfile 5 page 127 Dr. S says he did do a drug screen but that test had not came back yet. He said he always runs confirmation tests, and that will tell you any drug in the blood.

And I think when those tests came back they were sent to the ME.

[Edited 6/25/18 18:30pm]

Mmm, page 31 # 60 said this toxicology report was from ME. Im not talking about the one from the night before his death with this post. There are two different ones.

Here it is> 5-12-2016 Dr. Strobel(ME) states that the blood sample taken the night before ( I assume by Dr/ S ) had no fentanyl in it but she asked about nasal sprays found at the scene, as snorting it was the current method of fentanyl abuse. Detective states that nasal spray and eye drops were found> He doesn't say if fentanyl was found in either.page 32 #66