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Reply #120 posted 04/28/18 1:35pm

cloveringold85

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leec1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Who's had a chance to listen to Theo's interview?

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He had a lot of interesting things to say. He said Kirk was at his wits end a lot of times, and would ask Theo if he's ready to come back.

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Theo said that when Prince went to Turks & Caico's, he got a new laptop computer, and Kirk asked Theo for the password (peterbravestrong). So, Kirky had access to Prince's laptop info. eek

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Another thing Theo said (and we said here too), was that it was not like Prince at all to be up early in the morning (8AM), so the fact that Dr. Shulenberg and Andrew were coming that morning, was very unusual.

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Theo also said that when traveling, Prince usually packed his own bag; he didn't want anyone going in his bags.

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He talked a bit about when Prince was getting his master's back and then he went back to WB to produce his last album, which he found to be very odd, since Prince worked so hard to break away from WB. This did not make any sense.

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Theo said that Prince was originally going to produce his album with L.A. Reid, but WB had a better deal. It almost seems as though Phaedra and Van Jones were working together in all of this.

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WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek

I did listen to Theo's interview and what stood out the most to me was his comments on Phaedra being asked by Prince about amounts of money: $1,000,000. Theo's comments suggest that there may be some inconsistencies about money.

I didn't find this surprising. When you have a money manager handling your funds, there is a definite need to have audit practices in place. It didn't sound like this was being done.

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The 1M Prince wanted set aside for Larry's new house. eek

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Theo said the money was never set-aside. When Theo would ask Phaedra about the money, she said they needed that money to pay taxes. confused

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Phaedra did not like paying people, and apparently no one was supervising her. rolleyes

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[Edited 4/28/18 13:42pm]

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Reply #121 posted 04/28/18 1:39pm

PeteSilas

don't know what 'terrible things' prizefight was alluding to but any longtime fan should be familiar with the fact that prince was very difficult all along. Even the teenybopper book written by steven ivory, (first one i ever read on P) didn't hide a lot of the horrible things he did. In fact, Ivory came out after P's death and claimed that Prince said to his bodyguard "did you hear what he wrote about me?" and feigned being held back. I thought the breakedown was written around the time of the Arsenio interview, maybe that was the time that he decided to work it out with a band, i don't know. but he said "we are working on" a song that he seemed to think was important. I think that it's possible prince knew how his story would end, maybe the wb signing was just him not caring anymore about this sphere of existence, judith's statements about how boring a concert was, his own statements about astral travel and talking to dead relatives almost sounds like he wanted to move on. Prince was smart, i think it's very possible he knew his time was limited either way you cut it.

KoolEaze said:

leec1 said:

Prizefight originally posted last year:

Prince Death Investigation Part 3-forum.prince.org/msg/7/442566?&pg=39

Below I am reposting what appeared in No Murder Charges in Prince's Death Investigation Part 7

Reply No. 470 Part 7

Prizefight said, and i quote: "He had a withdrawal in 2010 after surgery. He wrote a song about it. Because he was on meds for so long the withdrawal was gradual paranoia etc. Prince being more extra Prince. Its when he started riding his bike everywhere. Behaviour like that. Withdrawal doesn't always look the same for people who use until the the body starts reacting (vomiting shakes pain etc) thats usually a normal course. Endorphins have been overtaxed so then the nervous system takes a dip and your whole system goes nuts. He wasn't going through withdrawals in my opinion he was overdosing and had no idea. I'm sure he nor those around him told the doctors exactly what he was on because the either didnt know the pills were mislabelled or they knew. I'm not sure. Definitely don't trust anyone."

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Remember the incident with the percocet withdrawal symptoms running around PP naked complaining he was hot, right after his hip surgery, in 2010, which was mentioned in the report?

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She also said:

"Just from looking at pictures I would guestimate other issues (either same hip or the other one) started manifesting as of 2012/13 on. Someone I know assisted him after surgery. Then other people came in and did not take care of him or monitor him. As far as I know, he passed away due to enablers, accidental drug purchase or on purpose? and non-care. There was obviously no one there to tell him to rest and eat. He kept going, probably because he felt scared. There was something wrong at least a year prior. If he was taking fentanyl and no percocet which he was used to, then that started a different host of problems. If you look at him 2010-12, he's in good form. Pay attention to his skin and under eyes and cane usage. After 2012 you can see changes and not just from ageing."

"He treated people poorly so that made people less sympathetic towards his pill use."

"To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed."

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My point is this - is it your job to do something illegal for anyone? No. Do we have a responsibility to each other as humans to do the right thing? I guess that depends on your moral compass and belief systems. But in the regular world, I guess, no, right? Everyman for himself.

Prince set it up that way. And if someone didn't do his bidding someone else would. So, in that respect you are correct. Would you rather do the right thing and not have a paycheck or be a willing enabler?

Prince could also be manipulated and handled. Very few people did that. Theres more to say on the subject but it would be a moot point at this time."

"I agree with all that you've said except yes the inner circle knew it was bad. Severe. As early as ten years ago".

it is illegal to prescribe meds in another person's name. Its been done for years with him.

Coming down the first time from opiod use after the surgery is what prompted "The Breakdown""

"Please allow me to clarify. He was a complicated man he wasn't a saint and he wasn't all Sinner. But he wasn't a person that should be placed on a pedestal as someone who didn't do wrong. He did plenty wrong. But he was also full of light and generosity. It was sometimes given to the wrong people. We are all nuanced individuals and he was great and terrible. Don't discount the good stuff but don't overlook what reality was. He was also an addict. Due to pain but still an addict."

Wow, that is indeed interesting. I wasn´t really aware of prizefight´s posts. I wonder what the terrible things were that Prince did.

And I´m curious about the song The Breakdown and its story. Prince repeatedly stressed how much that song meant to him. At first I thought it was just a breakup song but it looks like there was more to it.

edit; What does riding a bicycle have to do with him being paranoid? I don´t understand.

I mean, there are pictures of him riding a bicycle during the Purple Rain tour.

But I agree that he often came across as a paranoid person sometimes, especially when he talked about chemtrails or when he would ramble about linguistic nonsense.

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Reply #122 posted 04/28/18 1:40pm

mnfriend

(answering my own question about part of an interview being pulled; it was with Rolling Stone magazine 2014)

Speaking about his outlook on sex in 2014, he told Rolling Stone: "Yeah, I'm celibate."
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Reply #123 posted 04/28/18 1:41pm

PeteSilas

again, i have to think if he had a crook like phaedra sounds like, he must have been past caring about worldly affairs.

cloveringold85 said:

leec1 said:

I did listen to Theo's interview and what stood out the most to me was his comments on Phaedra being asked by Prince about amounts of money: $1,000,000. Theo's comments suggest that there may be some inconsistencies about money.

I didn't find this surprising. When you have a money manager handling your funds, there is a definite need to have audit practices in place. It didn't sound like this was being done.

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The 1M Prince wanted set aside for Larry's new house. eek

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Theo said the money was never set-aside.

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Phaedra did not like paying people, and apparently no one was supervising her. rolleyes

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Reply #124 posted 04/28/18 2:32pm

laytonian

cloveringold85 said:



laytonian said:


cloveringold85 said:
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WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek






If you're going to accuse people of murder, do your research first so we who DO aren't rolling our eyes atyou. Again. CNN is owned by Time Warner. . Warner Brothers Music is owned by Access and is a completely separate company from Time Warner. . You're welcome. . [Edited 4/28/18 11:43am]

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Excuse me? I was repeating what Theo has said in his interview, so maybe you should address your comments to him.





A link as proof AND a quotation should be in quotation marks, word for word. Paraphrasing makes it your opinion.
And you still shouldn't believe everything without checking it out first, as I just proved to_you.
This is how these stupid conspiracies start.
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Reply #125 posted 04/28/18 2:49pm

disch

while it was interesting to hear Mariah's opinion about Prince's business decisions, my main thought about that was: why was he including this woman -- in her early 20s whose main professional experience prior to that appeared to be part-time modeling -- in negotiations about a multi-million-dollar portfolio? That was honestly more disheartening to me: that he allowed a revolving door of inexperienced people to be involved in this stuff.

Robbajobba said:

cloveringold85 said:

Who's had a chance to listen to Theo's interview?

.

He had a lot of interesting things to say. He said Kirk was at his wits end a lot of times, and would ask Theo if he's ready to come back.

.

Theo said that when Prince went to Turks & Caico's, he got a new laptop computer, and Kirk asked Theo for the password (peterbravestrong). So, Kirky had access to Prince's laptop info. eek

.

Another thing Theo said (and we said here too), was that it was not like Prince at all to be up early in the morning (8AM), so the fact that Dr. Shulenberg and Andrew were coming that morning, was very unusual.

.

Theo also said that when traveling, Prince usually packed his own bag; he didn't want anyone going in his bags.

.

He talked a bit about when Prince was getting his master's back and then he went back to WB to produce his last album, which he found to be very odd, since Prince worked so hard to break away from WB. This did not make any sense.

.

Theo said that Prince was originally going to produce his album with L.A. Reid, but WB had a better deal. It almost seems as though Phaedra and Van Jones were working together in all of this.

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WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek

Mariah Brown in her interview also says how she thought it was odd that Prince chose WB over LA Reid, and that it was Phaedra who was pushing him towards WB. Who knows? Maybe Phaedra had some kind of private deal with WB? Or maybe WB was just a better deal for Prince, and - now that he'd 'won' in his decades long battle with WB, he thought it would be magnanimous to do a new album with them, or he was doing it for old times sake, or something...

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Reply #126 posted 04/28/18 2:51pm

poppys

PeteSilas said:

don't know what 'terrible things' prizefight was alluding to but any longtime fan should be familiar with the fact that prince was very difficult all along. Even the teenybopper book written by steven ivory, (first one i ever read on P) didn't hide a lot of the horrible things he did. In fact, Ivory came out after P's death and claimed that Prince said to his bodyguard "did you hear what he wrote about me?" and feigned being held back.

I thought the breakedown was written around the time of the Arsenio interview, maybe that was the time that he decided to work it out with a band, i don't know. but he said "we are working on" a song that he seemed to think was important.

I think that it's possible prince knew how his story would end, maybe the wb signing was just him not caring anymore about this sphere of existence, judith's statements about how boring a concert was, his own statements about astral travel and talking to dead relatives almost sounds like he wanted to move on. Prince was smart, i think it's very possible he knew his time was limited either way you cut it.


Yeah Pete, I thought of some of those things too. There is a documented tradition of foreshadowing that a person/spirit feels when they are going to pass, some more than others of course. A good friend of mine got hit on a bicycle years ago in NYC, total accident. The week before he died he was acting very testy, out of character. He was usually so easy going.

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Reply #127 posted 04/28/18 2:52pm

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laytonian said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Excuse me? I was repeating what Theo has said in his interview, so maybe you should address your comments to him.

A link as proof AND a quotation should be in quotation marks, word for word. Paraphrasing makes it your opinion. And you still shouldn't believe everything without checking it out first, as I just proved to_you. This is how these stupid conspiracies start. You're welcome.

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Reply #128 posted 04/28/18 2:58pm

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mnfriend said:

(answering my own question about part of an interview being pulled; it was with Rolling Stone magazine 2014) Speaking about his outlook on sex in 2014, he told Rolling Stone: "Yeah, I'm celibate."


I remember that. Maybe for a while, like before he got with Judith. lol Timing is right around when that interview was done. Think he always had side interests, my opinion, whether he was acting on them as much, IDK.

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Reply #129 posted 04/28/18 2:58pm

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disch said:

while it was interesting to hear Mariah's opinion about Prince's business decisions, my main thought about that was: why was he including this woman -- in her early 20s whose main professional experience prior to that appeared to be part-time modeling -- in negotiations about a multi-million-dollar portfolio? That was honestly more disheartening to me: that he allowed a revolving door of inexperienced people to be involved in this stuff.

Robbajobba said:

Mariah Brown in her interview also says how she thought it was odd that Prince chose WB over LA Reid, and that it was Phaedra who was pushing him towards WB. Who knows? Maybe Phaedra had some kind of private deal with WB? Or maybe WB was just a better deal for Prince, and - now that he'd 'won' in his decades long battle with WB, he thought it would be magnanimous to do a new album with them, or he was doing it for old times sake, or something...

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I just finished listening to Mariah Brown's interview. I didn't get the impression that she was handling any of Prince's business affairs, in terms of his music. Mariah said she was running errands, shopping and getting food for Prince and would assist with dinners, which was prepared by the cook, Ray Roberts.

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One thing that stood out is when she said that after Prince had passed, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron basically cut her out and started acting weird and would not return phone calls.

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Reply #130 posted 04/28/18 3:00pm

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poppys said:

mnfriend said:

(answering my own question about part of an interview being pulled; it was with Rolling Stone magazine 2014) Speaking about his outlook on sex in 2014, he told Rolling Stone: "Yeah, I'm celibate."


I remember that. Maybe for a while, like before he got with Judith. lol Timing is right around when that interview was done. Think he always had side interests, my opinion, whether he was acting on them as much, IDK.

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Celibate, for the time being. lol

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Reply #131 posted 04/28/18 3:15pm

disch

Handling, no. Involved: well, she described being in the room when some negotiations were going on involving his catalogue. I think there was a pattern of Prince hiring people to do jobs they were probably minimally qualified for to start (office work etc), and then if he liked them he'd dump ever more responsibility on them, including things inolving money. (That wasn't specifically the situation with Mariah, but with others).

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And there was an awful lot of palace intrigue around PP: this person hates that person, etc. It just sounded very chaotic and honestly somewhat unprofessional to me generally.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

while it was interesting to hear Mariah's opinion about Prince's business decisions, my main thought about that was: why was he including this woman -- in her early 20s whose main professional experience prior to that appeared to be part-time modeling -- in negotiations about a multi-million-dollar portfolio? That was honestly more disheartening to me: that he allowed a revolving door of inexperienced people to be involved in this stuff.

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I just finished listening to Mariah Brown's interview. I didn't get the impression that she was handling any of Prince's business affairs, in terms of his music. Mariah said she was running errands, shopping and getting food for Prince and would assist with dinners, which was prepared by the cook, Ray Roberts.

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One thing that stood out is when she said that after Prince had passed, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron basically cut her out and started acting weird and would not return phone calls.

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Reply #132 posted 04/28/18 3:22pm

LilaLiebe

poppys said:

PeteSilas said:

don't know what 'terrible things' prizefight was alluding to but any longtime fan should be familiar with the fact that prince was very difficult all along. Even the teenybopper book written by steven ivory, (first one i ever read on P) didn't hide a lot of the horrible things he did. In fact, Ivory came out after P's death and claimed that Prince said to his bodyguard "did you hear what he wrote about me?" and feigned being held back.

I thought the breakedown was written around the time of the Arsenio interview, maybe that was the time that he decided to work it out with a band, i don't know. but he said "we are working on" a song that he seemed to think was important.

I think that it's possible prince knew how his story would end, maybe the wb signing was just him not caring anymore about this sphere of existence, judith's statements about how boring a concert was, his own statements about astral travel and talking to dead relatives almost sounds like he wanted to move on. Prince was smart, i think it's very possible he knew his time was limited either way you cut it.


Yeah Pete, I thought of some of those things too. There is a documented tradition of foreshadowing that a person/spirit feels when they are going to pass, some more than others of course. A good friend of mine got hit on a bicycle years ago in NYC, total accident. The week before he died he was acting very testy, out of character. He was usually so easy going.

I'm so glad someone mentioned about this because, when I've read some of the things Prince said in the months/weeks before his passing, I'm always reminded of the months and the week my own mother passed. My mother had multiple serious health issues and had for a number of years, even had a kidney transplant and numerous surgeries including heart surgeries. Despite all she'd gone through she was basically stable and 'doing well' for her circumstances - but in the months prior to her passing, she'd often make statements like "Always remember I love you" and "Always remember me as loving you" which would immediately make me nervous and concerned and I'd ask her repeated questions about whether something else or more was going on in terms of her health and she'd say "No, no. I just love you and want you to know that" and reassure me she was doing fine. She was a very loving, affectionate woman and mother so it wasnt her expressing love that got me concerned, it was more her tone of voice and just this...feeling...I'd get when she'd talk that way. Then, after her passing, our family discovered she'd been reaching out to various people she'd not spoken to in years, even a few that we thought she'd never speak to again because of the circumstances surrounding the ending of her relationship with them. Yet, she was regularly keeping in touch with them and WE NEVER KNEW IT. Not until after her death. She'd also speak a lot about missing her mother and father, dreaming of them and of the house she grew up in as a child, stuff like that. The last few days of her life she was very sick and slept a lot, and my sister was sitting in the hospital with her while Mom slept and my sister told me Mom was dreaming and talking in her sleep and she said "Oh it's so beautiful!" and was smiling and saying other things like she was talking to people. She passed late that same night.

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Sorry so long but I believe that it's true that people have an innate feeling, or premonition, or something, about when their passing is near, whether that be due to longstanding illness or suddenly, like an accident or unknown medical condition (i.e. aneurysm. I know I spelled that wrong). So I too think Prince knew, in some way that he either didn't or did (I believe he did) recognize.

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Reply #133 posted 04/28/18 3:24pm

poppys

disch said:

Handling, no. Involved: well, she described being in the room when some negotiations were going on involving his catalogue. I think there was a pattern of Prince hiring people to do jobs they were probably minimally qualified for to start (office work etc), and then if he liked them he'd dump ever more responsibility on them, including things inolving money. (That wasn't specifically the situation with Mariah, but with others).

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And there was an awful lot of palace intrigue around PP: this person hates that person, etc. It just sounded very chaotic and honestly somewhat unprofessional to me generally.

They were assistants, no one handled P.

Everywhere I've ever worked, up and down the $$ chain has palace intrigue, that is a given no matter how "professional" the facade.

As far as his hiring style, I'd say bingo!

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Reply #134 posted 04/28/18 3:33pm

poppys

LilaLiebe said:

poppys said:


Yeah Pete, I thought of some of those things too. There is a documented tradition of foreshadowing that a person/spirit feels when they are going to pass, some more than others of course. A good friend of mine got hit on a bicycle years ago in NYC, total accident. The week before he died he was acting very testy, out of character. He was usually so easy going.


I'm so glad someone mentioned about this because, when I've read some of the things Prince
said in the months/weeks before his passing, I'm always reminded of the months and the week my own mother passed. My mother had multiple serious health issues and had for a number of years, even had a kidney transplant and numerous surgeries including heart surgeries.

Despite all she'd gone through she was basically stable and 'doing well' for her circumstances - but in the months prior to her passing, she'd often make statements like "Always remember I love you" and "Always remember me as loving you" which would immediately make me nervous and concerned and I'd ask her repeated questions about whether something else or more was going on in terms of her health and she'd say "No, no. I just love you and want you to know that" and reassure me she was doing fine.

She was a very loving, affectionate woman and mother so it wasnt her expressing love that got me concerned, it was more her tone of voice and just this...feeling...I'd get when she'd talk that way. Then, after her passing, our family discovered she'd been reaching out to various people she'd not spoken to in years, even a few that we thought she'd never speak to again because of the circumstances surrounding the ending of her relationship with them. Yet, she was regularly keeping in touch with them and WE NEVER KNEW IT. Not until after her death.

She'd also speak a lot about missing her mother and father, dreaming of them and of the house she grew up in as a child, stuff like that. The last few days of her life she was very sick and slept a lot, and my sister was sitting in the hospital with her while Mom slept and my sister told me Mom was dreaming and talking in her sleep and she said "Oh it's so beautiful!" and was smiling and saying other things like she was talking to people. She passed late that same night.

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Sorry so long but I believe that it's true that people have an innate feeling, or premonition, or something, about when their passing is near, whether that be due to longstanding illness or suddenly, like an accident or unknown medical condition (i.e. aneurysm. I know I spelled that wrong). So I too think Prince knew, in some way that he either didn't or did (I believe he did) recognize.

What a lovely insightful post. Good to speak about this. hug

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Reply #135 posted 04/28/18 3:38pm

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Lovejunky said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

This is the topic. I feel Prince died for his fans.

I get where you are coming from ChocolateBox3121

Thanks! I post song lyrics of Prince's literally saying he would "DIE 4 US" on a Prince DEATH Investigation thread and get called out for derailing a thread. disbelief

Makes me wonder who is really a fan of his here. rolleyes

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Reply #136 posted 04/28/18 3:48pm

disch

i think the issue is that you posted the ENTIRE lyrics to that song multiple times, not just once. As fans, we all know the lyrics.

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As for the connection to his death: that song was recorded in 1983, as part of the purple rain project. I don't know that he was foreshadowing his own demise 33 years later.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Lovejunky said:

I get where you are coming from ChocolateBox3121

Thanks! I post song lyrics of Prince's literally saying he would "DIE 4 US" on a Prince DEATH Investigation thread and get called out for derailing a thread. disbelief

Makes me wonder who is really a fan of his here. rolleyes

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Reply #137 posted 04/28/18 3:58pm

poppys

disch said:

i think the issue is that you posted the ENTIRE lyrics to that song multiple times, not just once. As fans, we all know the lyrics. *this

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As for the connection to his death: that song was recorded in 1983, as part of the purple rain project. I don't know that he was foreshadowing his own demise 33 years later.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Thanks! I post song lyrics of Prince's literally saying he would "DIE 4 US" on a Prince DEATH Investigation thread and get called out for derailing a thread. disbelief poor chocolate pat

Makes me wonder who is really a fan of his here. rolleyes

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Reply #138 posted 04/28/18 4:13pm

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PeteSilas said:

80tomato said:

In one of the bathroom pics there is a medication for ringing in the ears

i would think there is only so much they could do as musicians, it's occupational hazard, I guess they could wear earplugs but then how well would they hear what they need to hear. someone said here years ago (blackguitarist i think) that Prince was losing his ability to hear high end, which is common, my mentor couldn't hear women's voices (or so his receptionist told me) as well as he used to and he was 75 or so at the time.

Yes true, we lose ability to hear higher frequencies as we age. Trust me. I'm a doctor. And for a super[hero] like Prince he would have been more cognizant than most. No doubt he would have found it a tad depressing, but for every cloud there's a silver lining: No more nasty cymbal crashes or shrieking sopranos.

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Reply #139 posted 04/28/18 4:14pm

PeteSilas

ya, so it goes back to the nebulous idea of fate. bruce lee stated he'd die at 32 and he did, the spirit does know. Honestly, probably a lot of us feel worse about what happened than prince would have. He may have been fully prepared and i never got the idea the man was the type to live in fear of the end.

poppys said:

LilaLiebe said:


I'm so glad someone mentioned about this because, when I've read some of the things Prince
said in the months/weeks before his passing, I'm always reminded of the months and the week my own mother passed. My mother had multiple serious health issues and had for a number of years, even had a kidney transplant and numerous surgeries including heart surgeries.

Despite all she'd gone through she was basically stable and 'doing well' for her circumstances - but in the months prior to her passing, she'd often make statements like "Always remember I love you" and "Always remember me as loving you" which would immediately make me nervous and concerned and I'd ask her repeated questions about whether something else or more was going on in terms of her health and she'd say "No, no. I just love you and want you to know that" and reassure me she was doing fine.

She was a very loving, affectionate woman and mother so it wasnt her expressing love that got me concerned, it was more her tone of voice and just this...feeling...I'd get when she'd talk that way. Then, after her passing, our family discovered she'd been reaching out to various people she'd not spoken to in years, even a few that we thought she'd never speak to again because of the circumstances surrounding the ending of her relationship with them. Yet, she was regularly keeping in touch with them and WE NEVER KNEW IT. Not until after her death.

She'd also speak a lot about missing her mother and father, dreaming of them and of the house she grew up in as a child, stuff like that. The last few days of her life she was very sick and slept a lot, and my sister was sitting in the hospital with her while Mom slept and my sister told me Mom was dreaming and talking in her sleep and she said "Oh it's so beautiful!" and was smiling and saying other things like she was talking to people. She passed late that same night.

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Sorry so long but I believe that it's true that people have an innate feeling, or premonition, or something, about when their passing is near, whether that be due to longstanding illness or suddenly, like an accident or unknown medical condition (i.e. aneurysm. I know I spelled that wrong). So I too think Prince knew, in some way that he either didn't or did (I believe he did) recognize.

What a lovely insightful post. Good to speak about this. hug

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Reply #140 posted 04/28/18 4:16pm

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disch said:

i'd add that, in fairness, he died due to some choice he himself made. I can't put 100% of the responsibility on his handlers; he was a grown man.

He was a grown man with a serious problem and the people closest to him pointed him towards the dark and gave him a little shove...

Nope. He was in control of his destiny at every turn and unfortunately for him surrounded by yes men. That being said, willpower alone won't conquer addiction.

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Reply #141 posted 04/28/18 4:19pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

disch said: He was a grown man with a serious problem and the people closest to him pointed him towards the dark and gave him a little shove...

Nope. He was in control of his destiny at every turn and unfortunately for him surrounded by yes men. That being said, willpower alone won't conquer addiction.

Amen.

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Reply #142 posted 04/28/18 4:21pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

disch said: He was a grown man with a serious problem and the people closest to him pointed him towards the dark and gave him a little shove...

Nope. He was in control of his destiny at every turn and unfortunately for him surrounded by yes men. That being said, willpower alone won't conquer addiction.

Thanks for saying this. I think this should be one of the big lessons of Prince's death...addicts need treatment. Getting off drugs is not a do-it-yourself/one-man-band kind of thing.Addiction is a brain DISEASE...

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Reply #143 posted 04/28/18 4:22pm

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poppys said:

What a lovely insightful post. Good to speak about this. hug

Thank you poppys, you are kind and thank you for reading and replying. hug I know I rambled in my prior post but it's so hard to condense everything concisely to something most people (hopefully) will read. But I just agree so much with you and those that say that there is a foreshadowing, in whatever way or however recognized, before a soul passes and I know I witnessed that happening with my mom...and I feel like I see that same type of thing when I look over Prince's behavior and what he said, etc in the time period before he left us.

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I meant to tell you in my earlier post that I'm sorry for your loss of your friend. rose

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Reply #144 posted 04/28/18 4:24pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

i would think there is only so much they could do as musicians, it's occupational hazard, I guess they could wear earplugs but then how well would they hear what they need to hear. someone said here years ago (blackguitarist i think) that Prince was losing his ability to hear high end, which is common, my mentor couldn't hear women's voices (or so his receptionist told me) as well as he used to and he was 75 or so at the time.

Yes true, we lose ability to hear higher frequencies as we age. Trust me. I'm a doctor. And for a super[hero] like Prince he would have been more cognizant than most. No doubt he would have found it a tad depressing, but for every cloud there's a silver lining: No more nasty cymbal crashes or shrieking sopranos.

lol My ex is a professional musician. The tinnitus is what he hates.

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Reply #145 posted 04/28/18 4:29pm

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PeteSilas said:

ya, so it goes back to the nebulous idea of fate. bruce lee stated he'd die at 32 and he did, the spirit does know. Honestly, probably a lot of us feel worse about what happened than prince would have. He may have been fully prepared and i never got the idea the man was the type to live in fear of the end.

I agree. I think his faith was strong as was his belief that there was more beyond this life and that it was an inevitable part of the human experience. I wish I had his faith and peace about whatever comes next.

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Reply #146 posted 04/28/18 4:34pm

poppys

LilaLiebe said:

poppys said:

What a lovely insightful post. Good to speak about this. hug

Thank you poppys, you are kind and thank you for reading and replying. hug I know I rambled in my prior post but it's so hard to condense everything concisely to something most people (hopefully) will read. But I just agree so much with you and those that say that there is a foreshadowing, in whatever way or however recognized, before a soul passes and I know I witnessed that happening with my mom...and I feel like I see that same type of thing when I look over Prince's behavior and what he said, etc in the time period before he left us.

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I meant to tell you in my earlier post that I'm sorry for your loss of your friend. rose


Thank you. It made me remember Aart today and he was a really special person. From Netherlands. heart

I had some similar experiences with my mother. She was pouring over really old group photos of her relatives.

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Reply #147 posted 04/28/18 4:42pm

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disch said:

i think the issue is that you posted the ENTIRE lyrics to that song multiple times, not just once. As fans, we all know the lyrics.

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As for the connection to his death: that song was recorded in 1983, as part of the purple rain project. I don't know that he was foreshadowing his own demise 33 years later.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Thanks! I post song lyrics of Prince's literally saying he would "DIE 4 US" on a Prince DEATH Investigation thread and get called out for derailing a thread. disbelief

Makes me wonder who is really a fan of his here. rolleyes

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That comment right there shows that U just DON'T get it. I'm done . rolleyes

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #148 posted 04/28/18 4:45pm

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poppys said:

disch said:

i think the issue is that you posted the ENTIRE lyrics to that song multiple times, not just once. As fans, we all know the lyrics. *this

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As for the connection to his death: that song was recorded in 1983, as part of the purple rain project. I don't know that he was foreshadowing his own demise 33 years later.

* falloff

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"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #149 posted 04/28/18 5:07pm

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Sooo Tyka is lurking around on Apollonia's IG page almost as if she's saying "I'm watching you and what you say ..." hmmm

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