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Reply #90 posted 04/28/18 7:54am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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ThatWhiteDude said:

It doesn't look like Kirk did his best to help Prince. He acted like there was no problem at all, he told the cops He wasn't aware that Prince was addicted until Moline. He told the doctors in Moline that Prince is doing fine. He wasted time and then called some asshat in Cali. Why not a clinic in Minneapolis? And on top of it, he didn't co-operate with the cops. If you say Prince's arrogance killed him, that's your opinion. But what's up with Kirk? He's so arrogant that He won't admit that He enabled Prince's addiction. He tries to safe His own ass and says He wants to honor his legacy. If I was Prince's Brother, this mofo wouldn't be Welcome at PP anymore



The police investigation report shows incoming calls to PP from Hazeldon.

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Reply #91 posted 04/28/18 7:59am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


It doesn't look like Kirk did his best to help Prince. He acted like there was no problem at all, he told the cops He wasn't aware that Prince was addicted until Moline. He told the doctors in Moline that Prince is doing fine. He wasted time and then called some asshat in Cali. Why not a clinic in Minneapolis? And on top of it, he didn't co-operate with the cops. If you say Prince's arrogance killed him, that's your opinion. But what's up with Kirk? He's so arrogant that He won't admit that He enabled Prince's addiction. He tries to safe His own ass and says He wants to honor his legacy. If I was Prince's Brother, this mofo wouldn't be Welcome at PP anymore



The police investigation report shows incoming calls to PP from Hazeldon.


There was? I must've missed that.
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Reply #92 posted 04/28/18 8:04am

ISaidLifeIsJus
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ThatWhiteDude said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



The police investigation report shows incoming calls to PP from Hazeldon.

There was? I must've missed that.

I thought I saw at least two calls.

I will go back and check. Information overload. I need to screenshot these things from now on.

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Reply #93 posted 04/28/18 8:11am

poppys

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: There was? I must've missed that.

I thought I saw at least two calls.

I will go back and check. Information overload. I need to screenshot these things from now on.

Yes, there were 2 return calls from Hazelden, I think on Meron's phone. Just posted about it too, bottom of last page.


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Reply #94 posted 04/28/18 8:14am

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poppys said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I thought I saw at least two calls.

I will go back and check. Information overload. I need to screenshot these things from now on.

Yes, there were 2 return calls from Hazelden, I think on Meron's phone. Just posted about it too, bottom of last page.


We posted at the same exact time poppys!

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Reply #95 posted 04/28/18 8:21am

leec1

In previous parts to there have been comments pertaining to Prizefight who correctly pinpointed the reasons why Prince died as he did. Various members did not seem to accept Prizefight's posts.

I think the same lack of acceptance took place when HLN ran the How It Really Happened episode on Prince.

I went back and reviewed old posts on the HLN show: Prince: The End February 10, 2017. This show also was correct in various statements made by participants in this show. As examples, Andre Cymone stating Prince sustained injuries and had to take drugs; the investigative reporter Ian Halperin indicating "how did this happen, it was enablers who were greedy.."

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Reply #96 posted 04/28/18 8:22am

poppys

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

poppys said:

Yes, there were 2 return calls from Hazelden, I think on Meron's phone. Just posted about it too, bottom of last page.


We posted at the same exact time poppys!

We synched! highfive

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Reply #97 posted 04/28/18 9:15am

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leec1 said:

In previous parts to there have been comments pertaining to Prizefight who correctly pinpointed the reasons why Prince died as he did. Various members did not seem to accept Prizefight's posts.

I think the same lack of acceptance took place when HLN ran the How It Really Happened episode on Prince.

I went back and reviewed old posts on the HLN show: Prince: The End February 10, 2017. This show also was correct in various statements made by participants in this show. As examples, Andre Cymone stating Prince sustained injuries and had to take drugs; the investigative reporter Ian Halperin indicating "how did this happen, it was enablers who were greedy.."

What I don´t get is how he could still beat people in pingpong and even basketball when he was in so much pain. I understand that those painkillers decreased his pain somewhat, but you´d still have to be very fast and agile to be able to do that, and your hips and hands and arms wouldn´t function properly, painkillers or no painkillers. And you´d have to practice regularly in order to be able to play pingpong that well, or basketball, or guitar, or whatever. If his body was so broken and so much in pain, how did he manage to stay somewhat in shape and as athletic and agile as he was?

I mean, I DID notice him being slower than usual at the last concert I saw him but I attributed that to the hip surgery rumors. And besides, he´d still play pingpong with various people after the last time I saw him in concert. I just don´t get that part at all.

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The painkiller use or abuse is one thing, but on the other hand I see a man who deeply cared about his health and used tons of supplements such as ginseng, tribulus terrestris, vitamin D, copper, vitamin C and all kinds of supplements and natural remedies.

It´s sad that his healthy image gets tarnished and he´s being reduced to some sort of drug addict.

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I can´t find prizefight´s posts.....but I´ve already read about him here on the org.

Could you please let me know where I can find his posts? You said previous parts....are you referring to previous parts of this very thread?

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Reply #98 posted 04/28/18 9:43am

206Michelle

pinkcashmere23 said:



KoolEaze said:




PeteSilas said:



i would think there is only so much they could do as musicians, it's occupational hazard, I guess they could wear earplugs but then how well would they hear what they need to hear. someone said here years ago (blackguitarist i think) that Prince was losing his ability to hear high end, which is common, my mentor couldn't hear women's voices (or so his receptionist told me) as well as he used to and he was 75 or so at the time.



Prince also mentioned having vertigo in one of his interviews. I think it was in 2010 or maybe 2011.



It was in an interview with CHUM FM while on tour in Canada 2011. I just heard it a few weeks ago and he said he hoped his epilepsy wasn't coming back because of it.


Do you have a link to thin interview, pink?
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Reply #99 posted 04/28/18 10:05am

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206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

It was in an interview with CHUM FM while on tour in Canada 2011. I just heard it a few weeks ago and he said he hoped his epilepsy wasn't coming back because of it.

Do you have a link to thin interview, pink?

does the vertigo have any affect on the high end hearing loss???

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Reply #100 posted 04/28/18 10:11am

leec1

KoolEaze said:

leec1 said:

In previous parts to there have been comments pertaining to Prizefight who correctly pinpointed the reasons why Prince died as he did. Various members did not seem to accept Prizefight's posts.

I think the same lack of acceptance took place when HLN ran the How It Really Happened episode on Prince.

I went back and reviewed old posts on the HLN show: Prince: The End February 10, 2017. This show also was correct in various statements made by participants in this show. As examples, Andre Cymone stating Prince sustained injuries and had to take drugs; the investigative reporter Ian Halperin indicating "how did this happen, it was enablers who were greedy.."

What I don´t get is how he could still beat people in pingpong and even basketball when he was in so much pain. I understand that those painkillers decreased his pain somewhat, but you´d still have to be very fast and agile to be able to do that, and your hips and hands and arms wouldn´t function properly, painkillers or no painkillers. And you´d have to practice regularly in order to be able to play pingpong that well, or basketball, or guitar, or whatever. If his body was so broken and so much in pain, how did he manage to stay somewhat in shape and as athletic and agile as he was?

I mean, I DID notice him being slower than usual at the last concert I saw him but I attributed that to the hip surgery rumors. And besides, he´d still play pingpong with various people after the last time I saw him in concert. I just don´t get that part at all.

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The painkiller use or abuse is one thing, but on the other hand I see a man who deeply cared about his health and used tons of supplements such as ginseng, tribulus terrestris, vitamin D, copper, vitamin C and all kinds of supplements and natural remedies.

It´s sad that his healthy image gets tarnished and he´s being reduced to some sort of drug addict.

.

I can´t find prizefight´s posts.....but I´ve already read about him here on the org.

Could you please let me know where I can find his posts? You said previous parts....are you referring to previous parts of this very thread?

Prizefight originally posted last year:

Prince Death Investigation Part 3-forum.prince.org/msg/7/442566?&pg=39

Below I am reposting what appeared in No Murder Charges in Prince's Death Investigation Part 7

Reply No. 470 Part 7

Prizefight said, and i quote: "He had a withdrawal in 2010 after surgery. He wrote a song about it. Because he was on meds for so long the withdrawal was gradual paranoia etc. Prince being more extra Prince. Its when he started riding his bike everywhere. Behaviour like that. Withdrawal doesn't always look the same for people who use until the the body starts reacting (vomiting shakes pain etc) thats usually a normal course. Endorphins have been overtaxed so then the nervous system takes a dip and your whole system goes nuts. He wasn't going through withdrawals in my opinion he was overdosing and had no idea. I'm sure he nor those around him told the doctors exactly what he was on because the either didnt know the pills were mislabelled or they knew. I'm not sure. Definitely don't trust anyone."

*

Remember the incident with the percocet withdrawal symptoms running around PP naked complaining he was hot, right after his hip surgery, in 2010, which was mentioned in the report?

*

She also said:

"Just from looking at pictures I would guestimate other issues (either same hip or the other one) started manifesting as of 2012/13 on. Someone I know assisted him after surgery. Then other people came in and did not take care of him or monitor him. As far as I know, he passed away due to enablers, accidental drug purchase or on purpose? and non-care. There was obviously no one there to tell him to rest and eat. He kept going, probably because he felt scared. There was something wrong at least a year prior. If he was taking fentanyl and no percocet which he was used to, then that started a different host of problems. If you look at him 2010-12, he's in good form. Pay attention to his skin and under eyes and cane usage. After 2012 you can see changes and not just from ageing."

"He treated people poorly so that made people less sympathetic towards his pill use."

"To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed."

"

My point is this - is it your job to do something illegal for anyone? No. Do we have a responsibility to each other as humans to do the right thing? I guess that depends on your moral compass and belief systems. But in the regular world, I guess, no, right? Everyman for himself.

Prince set it up that way. And if someone didn't do his bidding someone else would. So, in that respect you are correct. Would you rather do the right thing and not have a paycheck or be a willing enabler?

Prince could also be manipulated and handled. Very few people did that. Theres more to say on the subject but it would be a moot point at this time."

"I agree with all that you've said except yes the inner circle knew it was bad. Severe. As early as ten years ago".

it is illegal to prescribe meds in another person's name. Its been done for years with him.

Coming down the first time from opiod use after the surgery is what prompted "The Breakdown""

"Please allow me to clarify. He was a complicated man he wasn't a saint and he wasn't all Sinner. But he wasn't a person that should be placed on a pedestal as someone who didn't do wrong. He did plenty wrong. But he was also full of light and generosity. It was sometimes given to the wrong people. We are all nuanced individuals and he was great and terrible. Don't discount the good stuff but don't overlook what reality was. He was also an addict. Due to pain but still an addict."

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Reply #101 posted 04/28/18 10:47am

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leec1 said:



KoolEaze said:




leec1 said:


In previous parts to there have been comments pertaining to Prizefight who correctly pinpointed the reasons why Prince died as he did. Various members did not seem to accept Prizefight's posts.



I think the same lack of acceptance took place when HLN ran the How It Really Happened episode on Prince.



I went back and reviewed old posts on the HLN show: Prince: The End February 10, 2017. This show also was correct in various statements made by participants in this show. As examples, Andre Cymone stating Prince sustained injuries and had to take drugs; the investigative reporter Ian Halperin indicating "how did this happen, it was enablers who were greedy.."





What I don´t get is how he could still beat people in pingpong and even basketball when he was in so much pain. I understand that those painkillers decreased his pain somewhat, but you´d still have to be very fast and agile to be able to do that, and your hips and hands and arms wouldn´t function properly, painkillers or no painkillers. And you´d have to practice regularly in order to be able to play pingpong that well, or basketball, or guitar, or whatever. If his body was so broken and so much in pain, how did he manage to stay somewhat in shape and as athletic and agile as he was?


I mean, I DID notice him being slower than usual at the last concert I saw him but I attributed that to the hip surgery rumors. And besides, he´d still play pingpong with various people after the last time I saw him in concert. I just don´t get that part at all.


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The painkiller use or abuse is one thing, but on the other hand I see a man who deeply cared about his health and used tons of supplements such as ginseng, tribulus terrestris, vitamin D, copper, vitamin C and all kinds of supplements and natural remedies.


It´s sad that his healthy image gets tarnished and he´s being reduced to some sort of drug addict.


.


I can´t find prizefight´s posts.....but I´ve already read about him here on the org.


Could you please let me know where I can find his posts? You said previous parts....are you referring to previous parts of this very thread?




Prizefight originally posted last year:


Prince Death Investigation Part 3-forum.prince.org/msg/7/442566?&pg=39





Below I am reposting what appeared in No Murder Charges in Prince's Death Investigation Part 7



Reply No. 470 Part 7




Prizefight said, and i quote: "He had a withdrawal in 2010 after surgery. He wrote a song about it. Because he was on meds for so long the withdrawal was gradual paranoia etc. Prince being more extra Prince. Its when he started riding his bike everywhere. Behaviour like that. Withdrawal doesn't always look the same for people who use until the the body starts reacting (vomiting shakes pain etc) thats usually a normal course. Endorphins have been overtaxed so then the nervous system takes a dip and your whole system goes nuts. He wasn't going through withdrawals in my opinion he was overdosing and had no idea. I'm sure he nor those around him told the doctors exactly what he was on because the either didnt know the pills were mislabelled or they knew. I'm not sure. Definitely don't trust anyone."


*


Remember the incident with the percocet withdrawal symptoms running around PP naked complaining he was hot, right after his hip surgery, in 2010, which was mentioned in the report?


*


She also said:


"Just from looking at pictures I would guestimate other issues (either same hip or the other one) started manifesting as of 2012/13 on. Someone I know assisted him after surgery. Then other people came in and did not take care of him or monitor him. As far as I know, he passed away due to enablers, accidental drug purchase or on purpose? and non-care. There was obviously no one there to tell him to rest and eat. He kept going, probably because he felt scared. There was something wrong at least a year prior. If he was taking fentanyl and no percocet which he was used to, then that started a different host of problems. If you look at him 2010-12, he's in good form. Pay attention to his skin and under eyes and cane usage. After 2012 you can see changes and not just from ageing."


"He treated people poorly so that made people less sympathetic towards his pill use."


"To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed."


"


My point is this - is it your job to do something illegal for anyone? No. Do we have a responsibility to each other as humans to do the right thing? I guess that depends on your moral compass and belief systems. But in the regular world, I guess, no, right? Everyman for himself.


Prince set it up that way. And if someone didn't do his bidding someone else would. So, in that respect you are correct. Would you rather do the right thing and not have a paycheck or be a willing enabler?


Prince could also be manipulated and handled. Very few people did that. Theres more to say on the subject but it would be a moot point at this time."


"I agree with all that you've said except yes the inner circle knew it was bad. Severe. As early as ten years ago".


it is illegal to prescribe meds in another person's name. Its been done for years with him.


Coming down the first time from opiod use after the surgery is what prompted "The Breakdown""


"Please allow me to clarify. He was a complicated man he wasn't a saint and he wasn't all Sinner. But he wasn't a person that should be placed on a pedestal as someone who didn't do wrong. He did plenty wrong. But he was also full of light and generosity. It was sometimes given to the wrong people. We are all nuanced individuals and he was great and terrible. Don't discount the good stuff but don't overlook what reality was. He was also an addict. Due to pain but still an addict."




Elisa also said there was an incident in 2010 also 😖😞😞
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Reply #102 posted 04/28/18 11:05am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Alas, after such a heavy week or so of ready all the reports etc I can only conclude that the purple mofo died from his own arrogance. He bullied people into getting his pills & I would suggest Kirk was actually trying to balance getting P help whilst trying to not get fired.

In terms of the finacial rip offs etc in the last few months that's another matter.

Bottom line is that he always lived on the edge & beleived in his own super human powers.

So angry BUT will always love him..just huge respect is lost.

It doesn't look like Kirk did his best to help Prince. He acted like there was no problem at all, he told the cops He wasn't aware that Prince was addicted until Moline. He told the doctors in Moline that Prince is doing fine. He wasted time and then called some asshat in Cali. Why not a clinic in Minneapolis? And on top of it, he didn't co-operate with the cops. If you say Prince's arrogance killed him, that's your opinion. But what's up with Kirk? He's so arrogant that He won't admit that He enabled Prince's addiction. He tries to safe His own ass and says He wants to honor his legacy. If I was Prince's Brother, this mofo wouldn't be Welcome at PP anymore

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Reply #103 posted 04/28/18 11:11am

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Rebeljuice said:

PeteSilas said:

i would think there is only so much they could do as musicians, it's occupational hazard, I guess they could wear earplugs but then how well would they hear what they need to hear. someone said here years ago (blackguitarist i think) that Prince was losing his ability to hear high end, which is common, my mentor couldn't hear women's voices (or so his receptionist told me) as well as he used to and he was 75 or so at the time.

My wife tells me I suffer the same problem.

ya, that was what i was trying to say, i think i'm getting it too and i'm not even married.

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Reply #104 posted 04/28/18 11:13am

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Who's had a chance to listen to Theo's interview?

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He had a lot of interesting things to say. He said Kirk was at his wits end a lot of times, and would ask Theo if he's ready to come back.

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Theo said that when Prince went to Turks & Caico's, he got a new laptop computer, and Kirk asked Theo for the password (peterbravestrong). So, Kirky had access to Prince's laptop info. eek

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Another thing Theo said (and we said here too), was that it was not like Prince at all to be up early in the morning (8AM), so the fact that Dr. Shulenberg and Andrew were coming that morning, was very unusual.

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Theo also said that when traveling, Prince usually packed his own bag; he didn't want anyone going in his bags.

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He talked a bit about when Prince was getting his master's back and then he went back to WB to produce his last album, which he found to be very odd, since Prince worked so hard to break away from WB. This did not make any sense.

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Theo said that Prince was originally going to produce his album with L.A. Reid, but WB had a better deal. It almost seems as though Phaedra and Van Jones were working together in all of this.

.

WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek

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Reply #105 posted 04/28/18 11:14am

PeteSilas

petalthecat said:

PeteSilas said:

most likely that's how it is, if you've ever burned yourself out bad enough, you know it ain't no goddamn alzheimers fucking with your brain functioning, you're just exhausted.

It doesn't always mean you're doped up or high. Some chronic pain conditions and especially medications can cause "brain fog". I take anti seizure meds and get this occasionally. I can stand in front of a door for 30 seconds cos i can't remember how to open it.

i've been there in work situations and i was only 32, nothing to do with age, i was practically a walking zombie.. i learned not to let people do that to me, they were "friends" too like our man had around him.

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Reply #106 posted 04/28/18 11:15am

pinkcashmere23

206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

It was in an interview with CHUM FM while on tour in Canada 2011. I just heard it a few weeks ago and he said he hoped his epilepsy wasn't coming back because of it.

Do you have a link to thin interview, pink?

Not offhand. I came across it on Facebook.

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Reply #107 posted 04/28/18 11:18am

PeteSilas

poppys said:

There were return calls to Meron from Hazelden which is in Minn, so it looks like they were making calls figuring out what to do. The week between Moline and the end was crucial. It seems like everyone, including Prince, was dragging their feet. I think they did want to help him but it would have taken something extreme to do it, like kidnapping him outta Paisley, and then what? You can't force an adult to get treatment, can you?

ya, that's what i've been saying, i've had alcoholics in my family, it's exhausting dealing with it, my sister would tell me "it's my fuckin' life" but when she had nowhere to go she always brought the chaos to me. It was the most draining thing i've ever been through. Prince however, was at least at one time aware of the dangers and he was a very intelligent guy, maybe he figured he would just go as far as he could maybe it was true, just maybe, he had done everything he came to do.

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Reply #108 posted 04/28/18 11:23am

manabean84

KoolEaze said:

leec1 said:

In previous parts to there have been comments pertaining to Prizefight who correctly pinpointed the reasons why Prince died as he did. Various members did not seem to accept Prizefight's posts.

I think the same lack of acceptance took place when HLN ran the How It Really Happened episode on Prince.

I went back and reviewed old posts on the HLN show: Prince: The End February 10, 2017. This show also was correct in various statements made by participants in this show. As examples, Andre Cymone stating Prince sustained injuries and had to take drugs; the investigative reporter Ian Halperin indicating "how did this happen, it was enablers who were greedy.."

What I don´t get is how he could still beat people in pingpong and even basketball when he was in so much pain. I understand that those painkillers decreased his pain somewhat, but you´d still have to be very fast and agile to be able to do that, and your hips and hands and arms wouldn´t function properly, painkillers or no painkillers. And you´d have to practice regularly in order to be able to play pingpong that well, or basketball, or guitar, or whatever. If his body was so broken and so much in pain, how did he manage to stay somewhat in shape and as athletic and agile as he was?

I mean, I DID notice him being slower than usual at the last concert I saw him but I attributed that to the hip surgery rumors. And besides, he´d still play pingpong with various people after the last time I saw him in concert. I just don´t get that part at all.

-

-

The painkiller use or abuse is one thing, but on the other hand I see a man who deeply cared about his health and used tons of supplements such as ginseng, tribulus terrestris, vitamin D, copper, vitamin C and all kinds of supplements and natural remedies.

It´s sad that his healthy image gets tarnished and he´s being reduced to some sort of drug addict.

.

I can´t find prizefight´s posts.....but I´ve already read about him here on the org.

Could you please let me know where I can find his posts? You said previous parts....are you referring to previous parts of this very thread?

After my husband had back surgery and was on pain killers, he was able to do things physically that he shouldn't have been doing and wouldn't have been able to do without the meds. The meds took away the pain enough so that he felt "okay" but also because he was high on them so it really didn't bother him even if he did feel the pain. Being on pain meds actually hurt his healing rather than helping because he was able to do things that he shouldn't have been doing per doctors orders so he could heal properly.

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I am a dove
I'm your conscious
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Reply #109 posted 04/28/18 11:42am

Robbajobba

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cloveringold85 said:

Who's had a chance to listen to Theo's interview?

.

He had a lot of interesting things to say. He said Kirk was at his wits end a lot of times, and would ask Theo if he's ready to come back.

.

Theo said that when Prince went to Turks & Caico's, he got a new laptop computer, and Kirk asked Theo for the password (peterbravestrong). So, Kirky had access to Prince's laptop info. eek

.

Another thing Theo said (and we said here too), was that it was not like Prince at all to be up early in the morning (8AM), so the fact that Dr. Shulenberg and Andrew were coming that morning, was very unusual.

.

Theo also said that when traveling, Prince usually packed his own bag; he didn't want anyone going in his bags.

.

He talked a bit about when Prince was getting his master's back and then he went back to WB to produce his last album, which he found to be very odd, since Prince worked so hard to break away from WB. This did not make any sense.

.

Theo said that Prince was originally going to produce his album with L.A. Reid, but WB had a better deal. It almost seems as though Phaedra and Van Jones were working together in all of this.

.

WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek

Mariah Brown in her interview also says how she thought it was odd that Prince chose WB over LA Reid, and that it was Phaedra who was pushing him towards WB. Who knows? Maybe Phaedra had some kind of private deal with WB? Or maybe WB was just a better deal for Prince, and - now that he'd 'won' in his decades long battle with WB, he thought it would be magnanimous to do a new album with them, or he was doing it for old times sake, or something...

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laytonian

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WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek







If you're going to accuse people of murder, do your research first so we who DO aren't rolling our eyes atyou. Again.


CNN is owned by Time Warner.
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Warner Brothers Music is owned by Access and is a completely separate company from Time Warner.
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You're welcome.
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I can't remember who the post was by but I remember, I think after he had just passed I was looking at a post that reviewed a PP show he did in 2009. In fact my sister and I attended that show and it was the last time I saw Prince in concert. It would have been October 23 or 2r or around there. I remember this because it was right around my birthday on October 21st . Anyway the reason I bring it up is because I remember a post by someone saying during Purple Rain at the end of the night Prince cried out God is alive or God is real!!! Or something . I remember him saying it.
this poster said it really freaked him out. Something in how desperate Prince sounded REALLY unnerved this person. In retrospect I do think some people were trying to warn us or trying to intervene or trying in some way to bring attention to Prince's situation. It struck me how this person recognized a Panic in Prince's voice that I didn't detect. Looking back I'm imagining they probably knew more about was going on
and wanted to sound the alarm bells.
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I can't remember who the post was by but I remember, I think after he had just passed I was looking at a post that reviewed a PP show he did in 2009. In fact my sister and I attended that show and it was the last time I saw Prince in concert. It would have been October 23 or 2r or around there. I remember this because it was right around my birthday on October 21st . Anyway the reason I bring it up is because I remember a post by someone saying during Purple Rain at the end of the night Prince cried out God is alive or God is real!!! Or something . I remember him saying it.
this poster said it really freaked him out. Something in how desperate Prince sounded REALLY unnerved this person. In retrospect I do think some people were trying to warn us or trying to intervene or trying in some way to bring attention to Prince's situation. It struck me how this person recognized a Panic in Prince's voice that I didn't detect. Looking back I'm imagining they probably knew more about was going on
and wanted to sound the alarm bells.

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Reply #113 posted 04/28/18 12:18pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:




The police investigation report shows incoming calls to PP from Hazeldon.



There was? I must've missed that.

I thought I saw at least two calls.

I will go back and check. Information overload. I need to screenshot these things from now on.



The Hazelden calls are because they (KJ & Meron) called Crystal and she started helping with finding a treatment center

ETA assistants name
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Reply #114 posted 04/28/18 12:48pm

leec1

cloveringold85 said:

Who's had a chance to listen to Theo's interview?

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He had a lot of interesting things to say. He said Kirk was at his wits end a lot of times, and would ask Theo if he's ready to come back.

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Theo said that when Prince went to Turks & Caico's, he got a new laptop computer, and Kirk asked Theo for the password (peterbravestrong). So, Kirky had access to Prince's laptop info. eek

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Another thing Theo said (and we said here too), was that it was not like Prince at all to be up early in the morning (8AM), so the fact that Dr. Shulenberg and Andrew were coming that morning, was very unusual.

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Theo also said that when traveling, Prince usually packed his own bag; he didn't want anyone going in his bags.

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He talked a bit about when Prince was getting his master's back and then he went back to WB to produce his last album, which he found to be very odd, since Prince worked so hard to break away from WB. This did not make any sense.

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Theo said that Prince was originally going to produce his album with L.A. Reid, but WB had a better deal. It almost seems as though Phaedra and Van Jones were working together in all of this.

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WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek

I did listen to Theo's interview and what stood out the most to me was his comments on Phaedra being asked by Prince about amounts of money: $1,000,000. Theo's comments suggest that there may be some inconsistencies about money.

I didn't find this surprising. When you have a money manager handling your funds, there is a definite need to have audit practices in place. It didn't sound like this was being done.

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Reply #115 posted 04/28/18 12:48pm

Krystalkisses

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leec1 said:



KoolEaze said:




leec1 said:


In previous parts to there have been comments pertaining to Prizefight who correctly pinpointed the reasons why Prince died as he did. Various members did not seem to accept Prizefight's posts.



I think the same lack of acceptance took place when HLN ran the How It Really Happened episode on Prince.



I went back and reviewed old posts on the HLN show: Prince: The End February 10, 2017. This show also was correct in various statements made by participants in this show. As examples, Andre Cymone stating Prince sustained injuries and had to take drugs; the investigative reporter Ian Halperin indicating "how did this happen, it was enablers who were greedy.."





What I don´t get is how he could still beat people in pingpong and even basketball when he was in so much pain. I understand that those painkillers decreased his pain somewhat, but you´d still have to be very fast and agile to be able to do that, and your hips and hands and arms wouldn´t function properly, painkillers or no painkillers. And you´d have to practice regularly in order to be able to play pingpong that well, or basketball, or guitar, or whatever. If his body was so broken and so much in pain, how did he manage to stay somewhat in shape and as athletic and agile as he was?


I mean, I DID notice him being slower than usual at the last concert I saw him but I attributed that to the hip surgery rumors. And besides, he´d still play pingpong with various people after the last time I saw him in concert. I just don´t get that part at all.


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The painkiller use or abuse is one thing, but on the other hand I see a man who deeply cared about his health and used tons of supplements such as ginseng, tribulus terrestris, vitamin D, copper, vitamin C and all kinds of supplements and natural remedies.


It´s sad that his healthy image gets tarnished and he´s being reduced to some sort of drug addict.


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I can´t find prizefight´s posts.....but I´ve already read about him here on the org.


Could you please let me know where I can find his posts? You said previous parts....are you referring to previous parts of this very thread?




Prizefight originally posted last year:


Prince Death Investigation Part 3-forum.prince.org/msg/7/442566?&pg=39





Below I am reposting what appeared in No Murder Charges in Prince's Death Investigation Part 7



Reply No. 470 Part 7




Prizefight said, and i quote: "He had a withdrawal in 2010 after surgery. He wrote a song about it. Because he was on meds for so long the withdrawal was gradual paranoia etc. Prince being more extra Prince. Its when he started riding his bike everywhere. Behaviour like that. Withdrawal doesn't always look the same for people who use until the the body starts reacting (vomiting shakes pain etc) thats usually a normal course. Endorphins have been overtaxed so then the nervous system takes a dip and your whole system goes nuts. He wasn't going through withdrawals in my opinion he was overdosing and had no idea. I'm sure he nor those around him told the doctors exactly what he was on because the either didnt know the pills were mislabelled or they knew. I'm not sure. Definitely don't trust anyone."


*


Remember the incident with the percocet withdrawal symptoms running around PP naked complaining he was hot, right after his hip surgery, in 2010, which was mentioned in the report?


*


She also said:


"Just from looking at pictures I would guestimate other issues (either same hip or the other one) started manifesting as of 2012/13 on. Someone I know assisted him after surgery. Then other people came in and did not take care of him or monitor him. As far as I know, he passed away due to enablers, accidental drug purchase or on purpose? and non-care. There was obviously no one there to tell him to rest and eat. He kept going, probably because he felt scared. There was something wrong at least a year prior. If he was taking fentanyl and no percocet which he was used to, then that started a different host of problems. If you look at him 2010-12, he's in good form. Pay attention to his skin and under eyes and cane usage. After 2012 you can see changes and not just from ageing."


"He treated people poorly so that made people less sympathetic towards his pill use."


"To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed."


"


My point is this - is it your job to do something illegal for anyone? No. Do we have a responsibility to each other as humans to do the right thing? I guess that depends on your moral compass and belief systems. But in the regular world, I guess, no, right? Everyman for himself.


Prince set it up that way. And if someone didn't do his bidding someone else would. So, in that respect you are correct. Would you rather do the right thing and not have a paycheck or be a willing enabler?


Prince could also be manipulated and handled. Very few people did that. Theres more to say on the subject but it would be a moot point at this time."


"I agree with all that you've said except yes the inner circle knew it was bad. Severe. As early as ten years ago".


it is illegal to prescribe meds in another person's name. Its been done for years with him.


Coming down the first time from opiod use after the surgery is what prompted "The Breakdown""


"Please allow me to clarify. He was a complicated man he wasn't a saint and he wasn't all Sinner. But he wasn't a person that should be placed on a pedestal as someone who didn't do wrong. He did plenty wrong. But he was also full of light and generosity. It was sometimes given to the wrong people. We are all nuanced individuals and he was great and terrible. Don't discount the good stuff but don't overlook what reality was. He was also an addict. Due to pain but still an addict."





Wow! Thanks so much for posting all that leec1. All of that was incredibly telling. I believe all of that was the truth.
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Reply #116 posted 04/28/18 1:19pm

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leec1 said:

KoolEaze said:

What I don´t get is how he could still beat people in pingpong and even basketball when he was in so much pain. I understand that those painkillers decreased his pain somewhat, but you´d still have to be very fast and agile to be able to do that, and your hips and hands and arms wouldn´t function properly, painkillers or no painkillers. And you´d have to practice regularly in order to be able to play pingpong that well, or basketball, or guitar, or whatever. If his body was so broken and so much in pain, how did he manage to stay somewhat in shape and as athletic and agile as he was?

I mean, I DID notice him being slower than usual at the last concert I saw him but I attributed that to the hip surgery rumors. And besides, he´d still play pingpong with various people after the last time I saw him in concert. I just don´t get that part at all.

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The painkiller use or abuse is one thing, but on the other hand I see a man who deeply cared about his health and used tons of supplements such as ginseng, tribulus terrestris, vitamin D, copper, vitamin C and all kinds of supplements and natural remedies.

It´s sad that his healthy image gets tarnished and he´s being reduced to some sort of drug addict.

.

I can´t find prizefight´s posts.....but I´ve already read about him here on the org.

Could you please let me know where I can find his posts? You said previous parts....are you referring to previous parts of this very thread?

Prizefight originally posted last year:

Prince Death Investigation Part 3-forum.prince.org/msg/7/442566?&pg=39

Below I am reposting what appeared in No Murder Charges in Prince's Death Investigation Part 7

Reply No. 470 Part 7

Prizefight said, and i quote: "He had a withdrawal in 2010 after surgery. He wrote a song about it. Because he was on meds for so long the withdrawal was gradual paranoia etc. Prince being more extra Prince. Its when he started riding his bike everywhere. Behaviour like that. Withdrawal doesn't always look the same for people who use until the the body starts reacting (vomiting shakes pain etc) thats usually a normal course. Endorphins have been overtaxed so then the nervous system takes a dip and your whole system goes nuts. He wasn't going through withdrawals in my opinion he was overdosing and had no idea. I'm sure he nor those around him told the doctors exactly what he was on because the either didnt know the pills were mislabelled or they knew. I'm not sure. Definitely don't trust anyone."

*

Remember the incident with the percocet withdrawal symptoms running around PP naked complaining he was hot, right after his hip surgery, in 2010, which was mentioned in the report?

*

She also said:

"Just from looking at pictures I would guestimate other issues (either same hip or the other one) started manifesting as of 2012/13 on. Someone I know assisted him after surgery. Then other people came in and did not take care of him or monitor him. As far as I know, he passed away due to enablers, accidental drug purchase or on purpose? and non-care. There was obviously no one there to tell him to rest and eat. He kept going, probably because he felt scared. There was something wrong at least a year prior. If he was taking fentanyl and no percocet which he was used to, then that started a different host of problems. If you look at him 2010-12, he's in good form. Pay attention to his skin and under eyes and cane usage. After 2012 you can see changes and not just from ageing."

"He treated people poorly so that made people less sympathetic towards his pill use."

"To say something when the plane goes down is TOO LATE. To not keep him in the hospital is TOO LATE. And I know many people here would say "Well if I was there..." The fact is probably not. He did allow these people in, for a reason. Very few would have stood up. I know of only two and they were dismissed."

"

My point is this - is it your job to do something illegal for anyone? No. Do we have a responsibility to each other as humans to do the right thing? I guess that depends on your moral compass and belief systems. But in the regular world, I guess, no, right? Everyman for himself.

Prince set it up that way. And if someone didn't do his bidding someone else would. So, in that respect you are correct. Would you rather do the right thing and not have a paycheck or be a willing enabler?

Prince could also be manipulated and handled. Very few people did that. Theres more to say on the subject but it would be a moot point at this time."

"I agree with all that you've said except yes the inner circle knew it was bad. Severe. As early as ten years ago".

it is illegal to prescribe meds in another person's name. Its been done for years with him.

Coming down the first time from opiod use after the surgery is what prompted "The Breakdown""

"Please allow me to clarify. He was a complicated man he wasn't a saint and he wasn't all Sinner. But he wasn't a person that should be placed on a pedestal as someone who didn't do wrong. He did plenty wrong. But he was also full of light and generosity. It was sometimes given to the wrong people. We are all nuanced individuals and he was great and terrible. Don't discount the good stuff but don't overlook what reality was. He was also an addict. Due to pain but still an addict."

Wow, that is indeed interesting. I wasn´t really aware of prizefight´s posts. I wonder what the terrible things were that Prince did.

And I´m curious about the song The Breakdown and its story. Prince repeatedly stressed how much that song meant to him. At first I thought it was just a breakup song but it looks like there was more to it.

edit; What does riding a bicycle have to do with him being paranoid? I don´t understand.

I mean, there are pictures of him riding a bicycle during the Purple Rain tour.

But I agree that he often came across as a paranoid person sometimes, especially when he talked about chemtrails or when he would ramble about linguistic nonsense.

[Edited 4/28/18 13:26pm]

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Reply #117 posted 04/28/18 1:30pm

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Robbajobba said:

cloveringold85 said:

Who's had a chance to listen to Theo's interview?

.

He had a lot of interesting things to say. He said Kirk was at his wits end a lot of times, and would ask Theo if he's ready to come back.

.

Theo said that when Prince went to Turks & Caico's, he got a new laptop computer, and Kirk asked Theo for the password (peterbravestrong). So, Kirky had access to Prince's laptop info. eek

.

Another thing Theo said (and we said here too), was that it was not like Prince at all to be up early in the morning (8AM), so the fact that Dr. Shulenberg and Andrew were coming that morning, was very unusual.

.

Theo also said that when traveling, Prince usually packed his own bag; he didn't want anyone going in his bags.

.

He talked a bit about when Prince was getting his master's back and then he went back to WB to produce his last album, which he found to be very odd, since Prince worked so hard to break away from WB. This did not make any sense.

.

Theo said that Prince was originally going to produce his album with L.A. Reid, but WB had a better deal. It almost seems as though Phaedra and Van Jones were working together in all of this.

.

WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek

Mariah Brown in her interview also says how she thought it was odd that Prince chose WB over LA Reid, and that it was Phaedra who was pushing him towards WB. Who knows? Maybe Phaedra had some kind of private deal with WB? Or maybe WB was just a better deal for Prince, and - now that he'd 'won' in his decades long battle with WB, he thought it would be magnanimous to do a new album with them, or he was doing it for old times sake, or something...

.

I haven't listened to Mariah's interview yet, but I will. Yes, it is very strange indeed that Prince signed with WB again. Prince's integrity was very important to him, so this strikes me as odd.

.

The way Theo was explaining things, it sounds like Phaedra has some connections to WB, and maybe they offered her something extra out of the deal?

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #118 posted 04/28/18 1:30pm

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1Sasha said:



Bodhitheblackdog said:




cloveringold85 said:



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I think that what both Debra Johnson and Crystal Z had to say about what was going on with Prince's song royalties/music helps to give us a better understanding of what was going on in Prince's inner-circle, and reveals how shady these people really are.






makes you wonder how long he had been checked out of the business side of his life...but, wait...didn't JayZ 'look him in the eyes' right before Prince passed?



In the Rolling Stone interview from 2014 - which was published after his death - the reporter said that some "twenty-something" girls were handling his business affairs IIRC, with the inference being his affairs were in total chaos. So by 2014 he was already in the tank business-wise ... at least in my opinion and that of the reporter as well.




*one of those interviews he said he’d been celibate for 7 years, then that part removed?
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Reply #119 posted 04/28/18 1:32pm

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laytonian said:

cloveringold85 said:
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WB owns CNN. Van Jones works for CNN. Theo said he wonders if Phaedra is being paid by WB? eek

If you're going to accuse people of murder, do your research first so we who DO aren't rolling our eyes atyou. Again. CNN is owned by Time Warner. . Warner Brothers Music is owned by Access and is a completely separate company from Time Warner. . You're welcome. . [Edited 4/28/18 11:43am]

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Excuse me? I was repeating what Theo has said in his interview, so maybe you should address your comments to him.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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