OperatingThetan said:

PeteSilas said:

it's also a major gateway drug.

That's debateable, but CBD oil is not because all the psychoactive elements are removed, leaving only the medicinal properties. This version of cannabis oil is now legal in the UK and is being used to replace opioids for those in pain. It also has benefits for sufferers of Parkinsons, MS and other ailments.

THC Free CBD also now LEGAL in the USA..

[Snip - luv4u]

tmo1965 said:

I have finally looked at the 1st search warrant photos. Seriously, they arent that horrible.

P looks very serene, and at peace.

But this photo made me laugh out loud.

Because this JW couldnt help himself by placing a placard of his golden outfit with his legs spread wide open, and everything was in place for all to see.

Thank you for making me laughing out loud P.

Your humor did not go by unappreciated.

disch said:

no his fatal od was due to fentanyl toxicity; he had more than enough fentanyl in him to kill him regardless of any other drugs in his body. And on the plane there's no evidence that it was a drug combo issue; he was revived by Narcan which is an opioid antidote.

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Combining aceteminaphen and opioids isn't inherently dangerous; that combo is what's in percocet and similar pills.

WeDaBest said:

Again very good points. If the pills in the Bayer bottle contained Fentanyl and Prince took that along with the pills Kirk got from the Doctors on the 14th which were Acetaminophen thats why he had the problem on the plane. And again on the 21st if he used the same combinations

Exactly. I think he took a fentanyl laced pill on the plane but also took a percocet or two. Perhaps taking the percocet first and not getting much relief, so dipping into the Bayer bottle soon after.

Whilst it wasn't the combo that produced the OD but rather the illicit pill, Prince may have deduced in his mind that it was the combo that caused the problem. This then explains why he may have reached for the same Bayer bottle pills again the night he died. He thought he wouldn't mix his pills again and just took the lethal pill(s) on it/their own thinking it was safe to do so as long as he didnt mix them with percocet again. If he had agreed to blood tests in Moline, he may well have found out that the Bayer pills were not what they seemed.

Having said all that, there is still a part of me that thinks Prince knew exactly what was in the Bayer bottle. If his addiction was indeed out of control, he would have been wanting the strongest shit his body could handle, cosequences be damned. Because that is what addiction leads to in the end.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

littlemissG said:

It’s a valid question and you can bet the police are thinking along those lines.

Not anymore since the case is closed.

PennyPurple said:

littlemissG said:

It’s a valid question and you can bet the police are thinking along those lines.

Not anymore since the case is closed.

It is not closed. There are many investigation documents which were not made public and the case is inactive, if I understand correctly.

MMJas said:

PennyPurple said:

Not anymore since the case is closed.

It is not closed. There are many investigation documents which were not made public and the case is inactive, if I understand correctly.

I thought they wouldn't release any documents until the case was closed. They also said the case could re-open if new things come up.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I have finally looked at the 1st search warrant photos. Seriously, they arent that horrible.

P looks very serene, and at peace.

But this photo made me laugh out loud.

Because this JW couldnt help himself by placing a placard of his golden outfit with his legs spread wide open, and everything was in place for all to see.

Thank you for making me laughing out loud P.

Your humor did not go by unappreciated.

Is that body not one of the creator's masterworks to be celebrated? He was keepin' it real!

PennyPurple said:

They also said the case could re-open if new things come up.

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I guess that is normal for criminal cases.

They can reopen until they expire...

disch said:

no his fatal od was due to fentanyl toxicity; he had more than enough fentanyl in him to kill him regardless of any other drugs in his body. And on the plane there's no evidence that it was a drug combo issue; he was revived by Narcan which is an opioid antidote.

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Combining aceteminaphen and opioids isn't inherently dangerous; that combo is what's in percocet and similar pills.

WeDaBest said:

Again very good points. If the pills in the Bayer bottle contained Fentanyl and Prince took that along with the pills Kirk got from the Doctors on the 14th which were Acetaminophen thats why he had the problem on the plane. And again on the 21st if he used the same combinations

Combining Fentanyl and Percocet could lead to respiratory distress...it slows down your breathing and can be deadly.

Rebeljuice said:

disch said:

no his fatal od was due to fentanyl toxicity; he had more than enough fentanyl in him to kill him regardless of any other drugs in his body. And on the plane there's no evidence that it was a drug combo issue; he was revived by Narcan which is an opioid antidote.

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Combining aceteminaphen and opioids isn't inherently dangerous; that combo is what's in percocet and similar pills.

Exactly. I think he took a fentanyl laced pill on the plane but also took a percocet or two. Perhaps taking the percocet first and not getting much relief, so dipping into the Bayer bottle soon after.

Whilst it wasn't the combo that produced the OD but rather the illicit pill, Prince may have deduced in his mind that it was the combo that caused the problem. This then explains why he may have reached for the same Bayer bottle pills again the night he died. He thought he wouldn't mix his pills again and just took the lethal pill(s) on it/their own thinking it was safe to do so as long as he didnt mix them with percocet again. If he had agreed to blood tests in Moline, he may well have found out that the Bayer pills were not what they seemed.

Having said all that, there is still a part of me that thinks Prince knew exactly what was in the Bayer bottle. If his addiction was indeed out of control, he would have been wanting the strongest shit his body could handle, cosequences be damned. Because that is what addiction leads to in the end.

I agree with this. And the doctors in Moline wanted to do testing to look at his liver and kidney which would have given them much more info on what was going on with him. He kept telling them no tests......(this is when he really needed the tests done)

Not sure if anyone else has pointed this out, but it appears that Phaedra did not have complete control over Prince's money. Based on email between Prince and Phaedra, Prince had to give someone named Marilyn approval to release funds to Phaedra to pay bills. Hopefully, Prince kept up with what he gave approval for and made sure that his directives were carried out. However, that was not the case with the Larry Graham $1M request.

purplemist7777 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Just seems odd that Prince would be walking around outside. I know he was complaining about feeling agitated.

I may have missed this but in the 6 page Miscellaneous Documents (zip 5) looks like Kurt was doctor shopping. Minnesota RX history report shows on 4/14/2016 Kirk filled 2 prescriptions from 2 doctors (Schulenberg and Boo (dentist) at 2 different Walgreens. 15 Oxycodone with Acetaminophen and 10 acetaminophen with Codeine. Maybe that is what Prince meant about mixing the 2 gave him the problems?

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Kirk hasn't told the truth from day one. I think he's been getting pills for Prince for years!!

Lovejunky said:

Musze said:

Myth. So untrue.

ALCOHOL kills millions annually, both from health problems it causes and drunk driving alone. Cannabis CAN impair functions and I don't recommend you driving under its influence, but the numbers of those who are cited for driving under its influence are VERY low.

However, Cannabis causes NO long term health problems. It is basically impossible to OD on cannabis, yet things you can buy over the counter at your local pharmacy can kill you easily.

With all due respect, the gateway drug argument is "Reefer Madness" bullshit. Untrue, outdated misinformation. Although I WILL give you this. It's somewhat of a gateway, but not in the manner you think. It's a gateway to enhanced senses. Food tastes better. Music is FELT... an EXPERIENCE. Sex is taken to another level. And it IS also a gateway to the fridge and pantry.

I'll give you that.

Do some research.

CO SIgn...

not to mention Marijuan is non addictive..

you can stop using it without any withdrawal symptoms at all...

Unlike Coffee, cigarettes or even SUGAR

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I don't think that is true about marijuana. Sinead O'Connor was just in rehab for addiction to marijuana. I might not give withdrawal symptoms, but it is very addictive.

cloveringold85 said:

purplemist7777 said:

cloveringold85 said: I may have missed this but in the 6 page Miscellaneous Documents (zip 5) looks like Kurt was doctor shopping. Minnesota RX history report shows on 4/14/2016 Kirk filled 2 prescriptions from 2 doctors (Schulenberg and Boo (dentist) at 2 different Walgreens. 15 Oxycodone with Acetaminophen and 10 acetaminophen with Codeine. Maybe that is what Prince meant about mixing the 2 gave him the problems?

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Kirk hasn't told the truth from day one. I think he's been getting pills for Prince for years!!

Ok, so let's go with that. Let's imagine that Kirk was getting Prince the pills and pretended to know nothing about it both in the hospital (asking Prince where he got the other pills from in front of the doctor? and JH) and with the Police, by pretending he was not even that close to Prince. Some other associate stated that he believed Kirk was doing just that, apparently removing himself from the inner circle.

Would this mean Kirk knew it was laced with Fentanyl?

Would this mean Kirk unknowingly bought an "irregular" pill?

Would this mean Prince knew he was taking Fentanyl and had been doing it since, lets say, 2014, when his looks and health seemed to start deteriorating?

Would this mean Prince took that letal pill deliberately? I mean, who overdoses twice in the same week?

Why was the coroner so quick to rule out suicide? How can the Police actually state as a fact that Prince took the fentanyl pill unkowingly?

[Edited 5/3/18 11:14am]

I posted this yesterday......anyone??

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Another thing that has been bugging me; what's the story on that empty syringe package that was found in/near the garbage dumpster??

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Also, I've looked at the pictures several times and I'm trying to figure out where the elevator is in relation to Prince's bedroom. I see his living quarters (Green Room) is adjacent to the stairs, but I'm not sure where the elevator is??

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And, what is the story on the "blood stain" that was collected??

MMJas said:

It could be a person who doesn't know the cause of his first overdose. Who thinks he ran into trouble mostly because he combined 2 different kinds of pills that he normally doesn't combine. Who thinks his pills are all OK because he's taken pills that looked just like this in the past and not had a big problem. Who things that if he just takes one of the pills the next time, it'll be fine.

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Who has had perhaps ODed before but always came out of it, and believes that's what would've happened this time too, even if he hadn't have gotten the narcan. Who refuses tests after his first OD could have IDed that specific drug and clued him in that his stash was laced.

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Kirk hasn't told the truth from day one. I think he's been getting pills for Prince for years!!

who overdoses twice in the same week?

[Edited 5/3/18 11:14am]

cloveringold85 said:

I posted this yesterday......anyone??

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Another thing that has been bugging me; what's the story on that empty syringe package that was found in/near the garbage dumpster??

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Also, I've looked at the pictures several times and I'm trying to figure out where the elevator is in relation to Prince's bedroom. I see his living quarters (Green Room) is adjacent to the stairs, but I'm not sure where the elevator is??

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And, what is the story on the "blood stain" that was collected??

I wish I knew. The syringes bothered me too. I hadn't heard about the blood stain. I heard there was a stain near the hallway not sure if that's the same one.

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Kirk hasn't told the truth from day one. I think he's been getting pills for Prince for years!!

Ok, so let's go with that. Let's imagine that Kirk was getting Prince the pills and pretended to know nothing about it both in the hospital (asking Prince where he got the other pills from in front of the doctor? and JH) and with the Police, by pretending he was not even that close to Prince. Some other associate stated that he believed Kirk was doing just that, apparently removing himself from the inner circle.

Would this mean Kirk knew it was laced with Fentanyl?

Would this mean Kirk unknowingly bought an "irregular" pill?

Would this mean Prince knew he was taking Fentanyl and had been doing it since, lets say, 2014, when his looks and health seemed to start deteriorating?

Would this mean Prince took that letal pill deliberately? I mean, who overdoses twice in the same week?

Why was the coroner so quick to rule out suicide? How can the Police actually state as a fact that Prince took the fentanyl pill unkowingly?

[Edited 5/3/18 11:14am]

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Whoa! That's a lot of questions! LOL

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We have more questions than answers, unfortunately.

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From what I read and heard from the investigation, it sounds like Phaedra ruled the roost at PP. I think Kirk was just an errand boy and didn't want to rock the boat with Phaedra.

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Like the saying goes, when you speak the truth, you don't have to remember. Kirk's statements have been inconsistent, and the investigators pay close attention to that. At this point, what does Kirk have to hide? Prince is gone. People are staying tight-lipped now because they are all trying to cover their asses!

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Crystal Z said she doubts that Prince was getting those pills on his own.

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I don't believe that Prince knew he was taking Fentanyl. He seemed very troubled in his last days, and it wasn't just due to having withdrawals. What pisses me off even more is that Dr. Shulenberg did not act soon enough. Two weeks went by, and nothing was really done to help Prince. Didn't Dr. Shulenberg explain to Prince what was going on with his body and he was having withdrawl symptoms? His symptoms were not due to any illness -- it was the opiates causing it.

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I don't think that Prince meant to overdose. He wouldn't have waited another week to do it on the 21st.

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I think the main reason why the Police ruled-out suicide, was because there were so many illicit pills found at PP -- they were marked as Vicodin, and I really think Prince didn't know they were Fentanyl.

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Sorry for this long post, but another thing I am struggling with is the fact when the DEA came back for the search warrant to collect the drugs -- why were so many bottles laying around? I really have a hard time believing that Prince would have them sitting out like that. Why were his personal belongings touched and moved from PP, but not the pills?

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More questions than answers.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

MMJas said:

Ok, so let's go with that. Let's imagine that Kirk was getting Prince the pills and pretended to know nothing about it both in the hospital (asking Prince where he got the other pills from in front of the doctor? and JH) and with the Police, by pretending he was not even that close to Prince. Some other associate stated that he believed Kirk was doing just that, apparently removing himself from the inner circle.

Would this mean Kirk knew it was laced with Fentanyl?

Would this mean Kirk unknowingly bought an "irregular" pill?

Would this mean Prince knew he was taking Fentanyl and had been doing it since, lets say, 2014, when his looks and health seemed to start deteriorating?

Would this mean Prince took that letal pill deliberately? I mean, who overdoses twice in the same week?

Why was the coroner so quick to rule out suicide? How can the Police actually state as a fact that Prince took the fentanyl pill unkowingly?

[Edited 5/3/18 11:14am]

And to add to this Phaedra started working for him in 2014 and he signed with WB again...someone brought in those fentanyl pills and Prince had no idea why he felt so sick. Follow the $$

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I started reading the files on the Times' website and I cannot believe what was going on. You really have to read them to believe it.

disch said:

It could be a person who doesn't know the cause of his first overdose. Who thinks he ran into trouble mostly because he combined 2 different kinds of pills that he normally doesn't combine. Who thinks his pills are all OK because he's taken pills that looked just like this in the past and not had a big problem. Who things that if he just takes one of the pills the next time, it'll be fine.

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Who has had perhaps ODed before but always came out of it, and believes that's what would've happened this time too, even if he hadn't have gotten the narcan. Who refuses tests after his first OD could have IDed that specific drug and clued him in that his stash was laced.

MMJas said:

who overdoses twice in the same week?

[Edited 5/3/18 11:14am]

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I understand what you are saying.

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I think in Moline, Prince didn't want tests done, because he didn't want word getting out that he was addicted to pain pills; he was probably afraid, more than anything. I know, that's not a good reason. He tried to reassure everyone know he was okay at the dance party, but he was not okay.

WeDaBest said:

cloveringold85 said:

I posted this yesterday......anyone??

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Another thing that has been bugging me; what's the story on that empty syringe package that was found in/near the garbage dumpster??

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Also, I've looked at the pictures several times and I'm trying to figure out where the elevator is in relation to Prince's bedroom. I see his living quarters (Green Room) is adjacent to the stairs, but I'm not sure where the elevator is??

.

And, what is the story on the "blood stain" that was collected??

I wish I knew. The syringes bothered me too. I hadn't heard about the blood stain. I heard there was a stain near the hallway not sure if that's the same one.

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Thanks. The syringe really bothers me. I read in the reports about blood stain collected. I'm not sure what stain they are referring to, but I did see a stain next to the big white bed on the floor.

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In the reports (I think it was Omarr who said it); something about a stain on the carpet that Kirk mentioned getting cleaned. I don't know what the story is on that either.

1Sasha said:

I started reading the files on the Times' website and I cannot believe what was going on. You really have to read them to believe it.

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IKR? It really is hard to believe.

disch said:

It could be a person who doesn't know the cause of his first overdose. Who thinks he ran into trouble mostly because he combined 2 different kinds of pills that he normally doesn't combine. Who thinks his pills are all OK because he's taken pills that looked just like this in the past and not had a big problem. Who things that if he just takes one of the pills the next time, it'll be fine.

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Who has had perhaps ODed before but always came out of it, and believes that's what would've happened this time too, even if he hadn't have gotten the narcan. Who refuses tests after his first OD could have IDed that specific drug and clued him in that his stash was laced.

MMJas said:

who overdoses twice in the same week?

[Edited 5/3/18 11:14am]

Wouldn't he be extra careful with whatever pills he would take from that close call onwards?

"Who refuses tests after his first OD could have IDed that specific drug and clued him in that his stash was laced."

Can you clarify this, please?

He refused to a blood or urine test in Moline, so he left without knowing what exactly caused the emergency (other than that opioids were involved). From what he apparently said there, he thought that the the problem was the combo of pills he took and/or the Narcan shots he got.

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If he'd been tested and fentanyl was found, that would've tipped him off that he had ingested something he most likely didn't intend to (because legit Vicodin, like Percocet, doesn't contain fentanyl).

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He might have thought he WAS being extra-careful a week later. Maybe he had taken like 2 Percs and 2 "Vicodins" in Moline, and so in PP he took just 1 "Vicodin" -- but that was enough. Everything we know now about the pills -- that they were counterfeit and many contained a huge amount of fentanyl -- he probably had no idea.

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He was probably a pretty experienced opioid-taker and had taken plenty of percs, vicodins etc in his life without major problem (at least no OD-level). He might have been in serious denial/ignorance about what had gone down in moline and why.

MMJas said:

disch said:

It could be a person who doesn't know the cause of his first overdose. Who thinks he ran into trouble mostly because he combined 2 different kinds of pills that he normally doesn't combine. Who thinks his pills are all OK because he's taken pills that looked just like this in the past and not had a big problem. Who things that if he just takes one of the pills the next time, it'll be fine.

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Who has had perhaps ODed before but always came out of it, and believes that's what would've happened this time too, even if he hadn't have gotten the narcan. Who refuses tests after his first OD could have IDed that specific drug and clued him in that his stash was laced.

Wouldn't he be extra careful with whatever pills he would take from that close call onwards?

"Who refuses tests after his first OD could have IDed that specific drug and clued him in that his stash was laced."

Can you clarify this, please?

[Edited 5/3/18 12:21pm]

Strawberrylova123 said:

For the fans saying for questions than awnsers well.. the awnsers are right in your faces but many of us are in denial, i was in denial at first too.it's very clear that prince had addiction due to pain for years

Got that part. For me it's trying to understand if he was knowingly using Fentynol or was it unknowingly or was something done suspiciously like planting the laced pills