precioux said:

Rocksdalocks said:

For those that believe that fentanyl was not his drug of choice and that he didn't knowingly take it, do you also believe that he had no significant prior history with fentanyl? At first I thought this may be the case myself, but then I go back to Dr. D's interview that came out BEFORE the autopsy results. He specifically mentioned fentanyl patches before a cause of death went public. Thoughts?

...Dr D mentioned Dilaudid as well, which was found in Prince's urine from 4/20. This is NOT a coincidence

I don't know how much faith to put in the details of the Dr D interview.

Not saying that, in hindsight, there wasn't a lot of truth in what he said, and that maybe he did supply Prince at some point. But he also said that Prince had a phobia of doctors (which Cystal Zehetner's testimony seems to flatly contradict). And that he took the drugs because of crippling stagefright - which not just MT, but Prizefight too indicated was not the case - that he didn't take drugs for performance, only after.

kmama07 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that Fentanyl IN PILL FORM is always illigetimate in that pharmaceutical F only comes in patches, lollipops and for IV use. SO...if he preferred F because pain relief is almost instant...his path was black market pills.

Good question. My understanding is you are correct. I work with hospice patients and have never seen those who use fentanyl take it in pill form. That's not to say they don't exist but I've not seen them.

i don't know about you guys, but the suicide angle, even if it's in the form of "risky behavior" is still a live possibility. "risky behavior" can be driving through red lights (as he's been known to do) or driving crazy, subconsciously trying to kill yourself. Men often have a hard time with the wimpy (in american ideation) idea of suicide so guys do things like drugs, getting killed coming at the cops with a butter knife because they don't want to live. Prince wasn't no dummy, if he really wanted to live, he would have gotten rid of everything after the od, everything, no matter what he was saying to other people. some poeple are good at lying to themselves, prince, in all my years of studying him, has never seemed like that, never. I remember my stepdad having a few drinks at a party and admitting that he wasn't driving normally, that's the kind of guy i always thought prince would be like, just really self aware. I'm not talking what he said to others, i'm talking what he said to himself here.

tmo1965 said:

precioux said:

Kirky J-was he shredding the will?(can't really see a reason for that-also, did those docs that were shredded tell of even more $ in Switzerland where Kirky went run hide, and pulled said $ from P's "hiding place " in Sitzerland?)

Meron-was that the cash she got from Prince and SHE was his dealer?

The cash struck me as a bit odd too. She said it was from selling merchandise at shows, but she was not at any of the shows that I'm aware of. So who gave her the money. In her statement, the investigator mentioned that she had a CD burner or something like that. My initial thought was that she is selling bootleg Prince Cds. Then I thought that maybe she is a drug dealer. She also started working for Prince around the time that it was noticable that something was wrong with him.

The $2030 that Meron had in an envelope was exactly the amount another person who contacted the plice (Vera Morgan) Vera said she had paid $2030 for a stock of cds (p.147 in nYT)

PeteSilas said:

i don't know about you guys, but the suicide angle, even if it's in the form of "risky behavior" is still a live possibility. "risky behavior" can be driving through red lights (as he's been known to do) or driving crazy, subconsciously trying to kill yourself. Men often have a hard time with the wimpy (in american ideation) idea of suicide so guys do things like drugs, getting killed coming at the cops with a butter knife because they don't want to live. Prince wasn't no dummy, if he really wanted to live, he would have gotten rid of everything after the od, everything, no matter what he was saying to other people. some poeple are good at lying to themselves, prince, in all my years of studying him, has never seemed like that, never. I remember my stepdad having a few drinks at a party and admitting that he wasn't driving normally, that's the kind of guy i always thought prince would be like, just really self aware. I'm not talking what he said to others, i'm talking what he said to himself here.

Good points. The denial after Moline was super deep and maybe even more than just that.

poppys said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I hope no one minds but I brought this over from the last thread because it was locked before I could respond.

DD55, you hit the nail right on the head with this, for me. I've said pretty much the same things for YEARS. Ever since Prince met Larry, he became such an entirely different person that it was hard not to notice but most contributed it to some "spritual healing" LG provided, that Prince needed after the loss of his first child with Mayte. But it never felt that way to me, at all. It always felt controlling and oppressive and I could never understand why Prince went along with it for so long. And I have wondered out loud more than a few times if there could have possibly been some sort of pharmaceutical reason that Prince to me, was easily being so clearly manipulated.

With everything that's happened, I still wonder and even more so now.

That is interesting. Someone like Prince with such a laser focus can get sidetracked maybe, but forever? What was the hold Larry had?

I'm not surprised at all about Prince's religious conversion. If you listened to his music it's easy to tell that he was a deeply religious man long before Larry came on the scene. Millions of people have a similar conversion in various denominations.

if Prince was being Prince, he would say "fuck all of you, i want to get healthy" but however, that was only half of Prince, the other half was mystery and secrecy. At any rate, I had a customer went crazy on me a few weeks ago, her husband came out and told me she had a problem with alcohol and rage, which i pretty much knew from my own life experience but I explained I have people around me that I have to worry about, i can't deal with other peoples issues, then he said that we can't stop them from doing what they do, we can only hope they stop themselves, lot of truth to it really. I had plenty of alkies in my family (again, hate fucking alkies, keep the fuck away from me) and i've tried to help them, you can't follow them around all day and night babysitting, that's draining and it's expensive keeping them entertained and distracted so they won't run off and kill themselves, nothing you can do in this society we live in. Not even all our fault, i remember thinking how drained and tired I was at the end of a week and I had a sister who was jonesing for alcohol, trying to stay busy, distracted so she wouldn't buckle and here is me, tired, exhausted from some asshole working me, and not really having the money to run around to restaurants, movies and everything else to keep her from drinking, the real enemy is always hard to see.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Rebeljuice said:

It seems to me that fentanyl was his drug of choice and he chose that over reaching out for help until it was too late - the same story that many an addict, past and present has opted to take part in. Addiction does not discriminate against any sector of society. Fame and fortune do not give you a free pass. The final judgement is that he was an addict who overdosed, and that judgement far outweighs any judgement he may have received had he held his hands up and asked for help.*

If he had asked for help no doubt the reaction would have been all over the place with the KKOOL club on one side and the Bart club on the other, and everything else inbetween - judgmental, critical, praise, love, hope, disdain, horror, scepticism, disbelief, humour.... The whole shebang. But once he came back with a new album, all that would have been forgotten and we would all be arguing over the new music instead... Brilliant, genius, shit, sell out, best ever, worst ever, he was better when he was high, never been this good, boring, mediocre, funky, too long, too short etc etc...

The point being, whatever the judgement he received from his fans and the media would have been temporary. This final judgement that hangs over him now is permanent.

Most importantly though, he would have been alive today and that surely has to be better than any sticks and stones that were thrown at him for wanting to stay alive.

Unfortunetely for him he surrounded himself with people that didn't have the balls to tell it to his face. And he didn't have the balls to face the temporary shame he would have felt owning up.*

*I say all this as a recovering heroin addict who has been clean for 25 years. It takes balls, big fucking balls to own up to the problem, and caring family and friends with big enough balls to call time out on your bullshit. Prince didnt have them and neither did his "friends" and family.

Rebeljuice...I am always so touched when people bare their soul to tell the truth, such a big-hearted move in an effort to rip away the tissue of lies and manipulation, junkie behaviors, that keep us from being whole and healthy and authentic. Thank you for being so tough and real. You're 100 % correct re Prince and his friends and family and associates...no one had the balls to make a difference. Everyone was weak...and weak people are dangerous.

shednz said:

tmo1965 said:

The cash struck me as a bit odd too. She said it was from selling merchandise at shows, but she was not at any of the shows that I'm aware of. So who gave her the money. In her statement, the investigator mentioned that she had a CD burner or something like that. My initial thought was that she is selling bootleg Prince Cds. Then I thought that maybe she is a drug dealer. She also started working for Prince around the time that it was noticable that something was wrong with him.

The $2030 that Meron had in an envelope was exactly the amount another person who contacted the plice (Vera Morgan) Vera said she had paid $2030 for a stock of cds (p.147 in nYT)

When someone is registered as deceased, the powers that be close their bank accounts immediately, unless they are joint accounts. First hand knowledge.

bondno9 said:

Rocksdalocks said:

For those that believe that fentanyl was not his drug of choice and that he didn't knowingly take it, do you also believe that he had no significant prior history with fentanyl? At first I thought this may be the case myself, but then I go back to Dr. D's interview that came out BEFORE the autopsy results. He specifically mentioned fentanyl patches before a cause of death went public. Thoughts?

If it was his drug of choice it should have shown up from his visit on 4-20. Too bad blood wasn't drawn from Moline. If so, we could possibly deduce a pattern of "fentanyl" in his system. Only pattern I've seen so far is hydrocodone (4/20 & 4/21 results). Which fits why LE feels he took counterfeit hydrocodone. The ME even stated the hydrocodonei in his system was a prescribed form. Sooo how did it go from prescribed to counterfeit???

[Edited 4/24/18 11:15am]

Fentanyl doesn't stay in the sytem for blood and urine tests for very long at all. SO, if he didn't have anymore fentanyl the day before he went to Schulenberg it wouldn't have shown with the tests Schulenberg took. The lack of fentanyl in his system from those tests shows nothing about his pattern of fentanyl use.

shednz said:

tmo1965 said:

The cash struck me as a bit odd too. She said it was from selling merchandise at shows, but she was not at any of the shows that I'm aware of. So who gave her the money. In her statement, the investigator mentioned that she had a CD burner or something like that. My initial thought was that she is selling bootleg Prince Cds. Then I thought that maybe she is a drug dealer. She also started working for Prince around the time that it was noticable that something was wrong with him.

The $2030 that Meron had in an envelope was exactly the amount another person who contacted the plice (Vera Morgan) Vera said she had paid $2030 for a stock of cds (p.147 in nYT)

And Vera said that she couldn't get a receipt from Meron either, even thought she kept asking for one.

cloveringold85 said:

From reviewing the investigation files and pictures over these past 5-days, I learned that Prince liked those 5-Hour Energy drinks, and the "Extra Strength" ones, especially. Being such a health-conscience person that he was, didn't he know that stuff is bad for you. The fact that he was drinking that poison, on top of taking medications (and illegal ones)--that is crazy!

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He used a lot of Visine.

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Supplements. He was trying to be healthy, but it was the illegal pills that were making him sick.

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Seeing the empty containers of enema's is very sad. Was he crushing the pills and taking them that way (the other end)?

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Some other things that I found disturbing were all of the trash bags laying around PP that contained Prince's clothing and other personal items - why were they thrown away? It seems like someone/several people were rummaging through Prince's stuff. Some of this clothing racks looked like someone pulled clothes off in a hurry and got out of there. Makes me so sad to see this.

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Seeing the empty package of "syringe" is very sad too.

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The pictures of the garbage dumpster -- it's like someone was just throwing random stuff away, in open bags.....kinda weird and disgusting!!

Opiate use leads to intense constipation. Chances are the enemas were an antidote to that.

cloveringold85 said:

bondno9 said:

If it was his drug of choice it should have shown up from his visit on 4-20. Too bad blood wasn't drawn from Moline. If so, we could possibly deduce a pattern of "fentanyl" in his system. Only pattern I've seen so far is hydrocodone (4/20 & 4/21 results). Which fits why LE feels he took counterfeit hydrocodone. The ME even stated the hydrocodonei in his system was a prescribed form. Sooo how did it go from prescribed to counterfeit???

[Edited 4/24/18 11:15am]

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Prince did not want any tests done in Moline, but he seemed fine with going to Dr. Schulenberg on the 20th to have tests done -- was he finally realizing that he needed help??

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Did it take him that long to wake up and smell the coffee??

I'm betting he knew he could go to Schulenberg on that date and the fentanyl not show up. He also knew if he gave blood in Moine it would have shown. He probably ticked the addiction over with hydrocodone etc. in between the flight and the Dr's visit. Once the Dr's tests were done...back on the fentanyl that night

tmo1965 said:

poppys said:

That is interesting. Someone like Prince with such a laser focus can get sidetracked maybe, but forever? What was the hold Larry had?

I'm not surprised at all about Prince's religious conversion. If you listened to his music it's easy to tell that he was a deeply religious man long before Larry came on the scene. Millions of people have a similar conversion in various denominations.

I do listen to his music.

Being deeply religious can also mean that you have your own spiritual compass without organized religion being involved. Many people live their lives this way.

anangellooksdown said:

luv4u said:

Prince's Friends Fiercely Guarded His Privacy, Complicating Overdose Investigation

https://mobile.nytimes.co...ation.html

I don’t known if anyone’s commented on this yet, but did anyone notice in Judith’s statement that she talked about the paramedics taking their time saving Prince’s life? She said it was very “frustrating”. She is perhaps too young to see this for what it WAS, that THIS is the kind of thing humans do... I had paramedics do the very same thing to me. They intentionally took their sweet time u til I was almost dead and begging for them to get me to the hospital. In this ways they have POWER and CONTROL, and can take out their personal and/or professional frustrations on someone who is helpless. I thank GOD Prince was not alone. SOMEthing should be done about this.

what were they being called for? Ya, people are fucking useless. nothing can be done about that.

look y'all, this gloating and patting yourselves on the backs is a little much. we weren't working on much and really, we still ain't, you think we know everthing? good for you, I still say it's possible the guy was a junkie but I still think it's possible that more is out there. the only thing that would shut me up once and for all is the complete autopsy report.

Mulefunk: if you're out here, let's here your two cents.

also, the aids rumours may have just been that, rumours from insiders who started whispering that the boss didn't look healthy. those get started easy, i remember one of my buddies thinking i was sick and later telling me that he told his wife that i didn't look right, i was probably never healthier, i was training to be a fighter and he wasn't used to seeing me that thin. people start all kinds of rumours over shit.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

That's the truth Menes, people put Bodhi thru hell.

Penny, you've done a great job of compiling the facts that some seem to have an adverse reaction to. It is as if their minds are deeply affected by fantasies unabashed. I commend you for having the courage to post it all and letting the chips fall where they may. Ignore the "happy" crowd that thinks that his is a story unscathed. These are those who believe that a mere mortal is impervious to all things .

As we now evidence, most of the naysayers can not handle the truth and have either retreated into the inner regions of a kangaroo pouch, or continually attempt to switch the narrative. At some point, this (3) sided angle of what truth is, will be narrowed down to one singular source.

PeteSilas said:

shednz said:

This seems to be it Bodhitheblackdog. At least now we know why he could stay up so long, and it changes the meaning of a lot of lyrics -just thinking about the later stuff - Breakdown, Way Back Home, for example, take on whole new meanings - even Clouds "we're getting high on something that doesn't require clouds". Maybe 'Pop Life' was sung to himself like Cream was. "what you putting in your nose, is that where all your money goes, the river of addiction flows you think it's hot..." . Big life, great music, cliched tortured artist end. Legend.

thing is, all the eighties workers insist there were no drugs at that point (similarly, anyone around Elvis in the fifties insist there were no drugs then). so, pop life was always interpreted at members of the time. the story goes that he and wendy had a blowout over her being seen in public with a beer, and that that was the beginning of the end of their working relationship. Also, maybe he was a hypocrite just like Ray Charles who fired people for doing shit like that but always, always was on something.

It's so easy to hide pill use. Off to another room - bathroom - e.g. quick pill swallow. Little bit of wine to bring on the euphoria feeling. Not using so much he has an obvious need yet. Use turns to abuse turns to full blown addiction over a period of time. All the while slowly needing stronger stuff or more of it, at the same time the body starts getting less and less able to handle it. Also, you can't reconcile the no drug use in the 80s with the ecstacy we know he was playing with in the late 80s. And have you seen those close-up photos of him from early 80s (looks like Controversy clothes) where he is clearly and unashamedly wasted?

paulludvig said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Jesus, Menes...first you only save me a swig from that bottle of the good stuff...and now you've made me cry...for real. I am deeply grateful for your sweet words..but they are words of recognition of a kindred spirit for YOU have been an inspiration and solace to me. Just as no one here gets out alive and we are ALL flawed and suffering and trying to figure out how to survive this thing called life...I believe the best, and perhaps the quickest, path forward toward the light is the one marked truth and honesty....and compassion. All Day/All Night. Thank you for everything...it means a lot.

[Edited 4/24/18 8:24am]

Bodhi and Menes, are you the same person? You're at least equally pompous and self-satisfied.

haha

i think, based on everything we know, that prince may have been health "conscious," but he certainly regularly engaged in behaviors that were descructive to his health. His opioid use was an obvious example, but I'd also say his lack of regular sleep was another. There are probably many more.

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To me this is an example of needing to separate the persona of prince from the behavioral reality. And also that he had really idiosyncratic ideas about a lot of things, or maybe he just found ways to justify behaviors at least in his own mind.

shednz said:

cloveringold85 said:

From reviewing the investigation files and pictures over these past 5-days, I learned that Prince liked those 5-Hour Energy drinks, and the "Extra Strength" ones, especially. Being such a health-conscience person that he was, didn't he know that stuff is bad for you. The fact that he was drinking that poison, on top of taking medications (and illegal ones)--that is crazy!

.

He used a lot of Visine.

.

Supplements. He was trying to be healthy, but it was the illegal pills that were making him sick.

.

Seeing the empty containers of enema's is very sad. Was he crushing the pills and taking them that way (the other end)?

.

Some other things that I found disturbing were all of the trash bags laying around PP that contained Prince's clothing and other personal items - why were they thrown away? It seems like someone/several people were rummaging through Prince's stuff. Some of this clothing racks looked like someone pulled clothes off in a hurry and got out of there. Makes me so sad to see this.

.

Seeing the empty package of "syringe" is very sad too.

.

The pictures of the garbage dumpster -- it's like someone was just throwing random stuff away, in open bags.....kinda weird and disgusting!!

Opiate use leads to intense constipation. Chances are the enemas were an antidote to that.

precioux said:

Rocksdalocks said:

For those that believe that fentanyl was not his drug of choice and that he didn't knowingly take it, do you also believe that he had no significant prior history with fentanyl? At first I thought this may be the case myself, but then I go back to Dr. D's interview that came out BEFORE the autopsy results. He specifically mentioned fentanyl patches before a cause of death went public. Thoughts?

...Dr D mentioned Dilaudid as well, which was found in Prince's urine from 4/20. This is NOT a coincidence

So why would a drug dealer come forward and admit that they used to supply Prince with drugs? That does not make sense to me.

tmo1965 said:

precioux said:

...Dr D mentioned Dilaudid as well, which was found in Prince's urine from 4/20. This is NOT a coincidence

So why would a drug dealer come forward and admit that they used to supply Prince with drugs? That does not make sense to me.

Either to get their 15 minutes of fame or sell their story to someone for $$$, who knows.

MMJas said:

Something else that just occurred to me: besides the whole burden and stress of not wanting anyone to find out about his addiction, perhaps he also worried that he might hit a wrong note or something because of the pain he felt in his hands. (Remember him telling someone he could not play guitar and was concentrating on the piano? Perhaps he meant it literally) One thing is to stop wearing high heels and stop dancing as much, which kinda would also come gradually with age. Another thing altogether is forgetting lyrics and playing the wrong notes. Imagine the stress he must have felt that this could happen to him if he did not take the medication in order to be able to perform?

The more I think about this, the heavier it becomes.

forgetting shit is going to happen to anyone and everyone, prince admitted that on the lopez show (just another example of his realistic knowledge of his own humanity), it's the fawning fans who couldn't see any mistakes in the man. However, i don't get the hands thing, i know the hands take a beating, hell, i'm a pianist, but many great pianists play with bad hands, better pianists than prince, hell oscar peterson played with one hand when he had a stroke. maybe it was just a rationalization for the drugs.

PeteSilas said:

anangellooksdown said:

luv4u said: I don’t known if anyone’s commented on this yet, but did anyone notice in Judith’s statement that she talked about the paramedics taking their time saving Prince’s life? She said it was very “frustrating”. She is perhaps too young to see this for what it WAS, that THIS is the kind of thing humans do... I had paramedics do the very same thing to me. They intentionally took their sweet time u til I was almost dead and begging for them to get me to the hospital. In this ways they have POWER and CONTROL, and can take out their personal and/or professional frustrations on someone who is helpless. I thank GOD Prince was not alone. SOMEthing should be done about this.

what were they being called for? Ya, people are fucking useless. nothing can be done about that.

They were trying to follow protocol to an extreme with the stretcher thing. I got anxious just reading that. Imagine actually witnessing it.

PeteSilas said:

Can anyone tell me how I search prizefighter's posts on the forum? I have tried but no luck. Thanks.

maybe, maybe not, here we are all again drawing conclusions when we don't really know. How do we know if Prince would have even lived to 57 without religion? I don't know what went on, but what i do know, just from knowing people is that when they try to work their way into your confidence, the first thing they do is tell you how awful the other people are around you, and it's because they want in and want them out, so, i could see that as a possibility with LG because he definitely got p away from a lot of the other kinds of folks, some of that may have been good, some bad. P, for all his strengths, and i've said it before, he always seemed to need a fresh kick, a new thing, even when the people were pretty useless, usually it was women (Ingrid Chavez, Mayte, Mani)but for all his strength, he seemed like he was open to being led by other people, i still can't wrap my head around that but i think it's true.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

DD55 said:

To take that one more step....

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Why is LG getting a pass here? It’s possible that he supplied P with the drugs, maybe to control him, make P dependent on him so P could try to resurrect his sorry a$$ career. What about Chaka? LG is the one who basically told Mani years ago she did’t know what she was talking about when she express concern that her HUSBAND was using drugs, and told her not do anything.

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Something’s wrong with this whole picture… the whole JW cult thing, LG so holy, P like a puppy following LG and LG 'hipping' P to the Truth. All just weird. P was never the same guy once he got hooked up with LG. The swear jar, the Jahova talk… P was living his life a lie by trying to be something he wasn’t , it was crushing his real personality, people change but don’t make a 180 like that, and that had to take a toll on him emotionally.

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Come on? LG’s the biggest moocher of them all. You might say to an extent he basically broke up both of P’s marriages… all to keep him in line in the ‘church’ and selfishly to promote LG himself….LG boxed P into a corner with regards to how he was 'supposed' to run his life. The first thing a brainwasher does is make the subject chnage his daily life. That is what LG did and P was trapped.

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I think Josh and Hannah brought religion from a different viewpoint and P probably welcomed that.

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Hope I don’t get snipped, don’t mean to offend anyone…. but I have to let it out. ~DD55

I hope no one minds but I brought this over from the last thread because it was locked before I could respond.

DD55, you hit the nail right on the head with this, for me. I've said pretty much the same things for YEARS. Ever since Prince met Larry, he became such an entirely different person that it was hard not to notice but most contributed it to some "spritual healing" LG provided, that Prince needed after the loss of his first child with Mayte. But it never felt that way to me, at all. It always felt controlling and oppressive and I could never understand why Prince went along with it for so long. And I have wondered out loud more than a few times if there could have possibly been some sort of pharmaceutical reason that Prince to me, was easily being so clearly manipulated.

With everything that's happened, I still wonder and even more so now.

shednz said:

Can anyone tell me how I search prizefighter's posts on the forum? I have tried but no luck. Thanks.

Go to the google search box in the top right hand corner of any page and type in prizefighter.

PeteSilas said:

look y'all, this gloating and patting yourselves on the backs is a little much. we weren't working on much and really, we still ain't, you think we know everthing? good for you, I still say it's possible the guy was a junkie but I still think it's possible that more is out there. the only thing that would shut me up once and for all is the complete autopsy report.

Mulefunk: if you're out here, let's here your two cents.

also, the aids rumours may have just been that, rumours from insiders who started whispering that the boss didn't look healthy. those get started easy, i remember one of my buddies thinking i was sick and later telling me that he told his wife that i didn't look right, i was probably never healthier, i was training to be a fighter and he wasn't used to seeing me that thin. people start all kinds of rumours over shit.

Menes said:

Penny, you've done a great job of compiling the facts that some seem to have an adverse reaction to. It is as if their minds are deeply affected by fantasies unabashed. I commend you for having the courage to post it all and letting the chips fall where they may. Ignore the "happy" crowd that thinks that his is a story unscathed. These are those who believe that a mere mortal is impervious to all things .

As we now evidence, most of the naysayers can not handle the truth and have either retreated into the inner regions of a kangaroo pouch, or continually attempt to switch the narrative. At some point, this (3) sided angle of what truth is, will be narrowed down to one singular source.

with all respect, Pete, if and when the full autopsy report comes out because of the ridiculous lawsuit the fam filed yesterday...we will all be deeply regretting that the world is reading about exactly how impacted Prince's colon was because of his long-time opoid use...just like Elvis's autopsey...it will make for heartbreaking reading. We should all be careful what we wish for.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I'm surprised they didn't mention Londell or inteview him, being his lawyer. He surely could have enlightened them on the will situation?!

Also why didn't Mayte report to them the fact that she thought Prince had a will when they were married? (as she's said in an interview).

The police should have brought into questioning Kirk, Meron and Phaedra as soon as they heard reports of them shredding documents and tampering with evidence. Also, if they couldn't get hold of Prince's emails due to deletion then couldn't they get a warrant to search K,M and P's personal email accounts?

NOTE: I'm not necessarily saying they are guilty of foul play (however them all not giving full statements is rather odd) just that it was severly negligent of the investigation to not question them more thoroughly (bring them into the police station if need be) and follow things up in more depth.

[Edited 4/24/18 10:54am]

couldn't the lawyer who drew up a current will say something? I know the confidentiality issues but couldn't he do it without legal problems?

poppys said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I hope no one minds but I brought this over from the last thread because it was locked before I could respond.

DD55, you hit the nail right on the head with this, for me. I've said pretty much the same things for YEARS. Ever since Prince met Larry, he became such an entirely different person that it was hard not to notice but most contributed it to some "spritual healing" LG provided, that Prince needed after the loss of his first child with Mayte. But it never felt that way to me, at all. It always felt controlling and oppressive and I could never understand why Prince went along with it for so long. And I have wondered out loud more than a few times if there could have possibly been some sort of pharmaceutical reason that Prince to me, was easily being so clearly manipulated.

With everything that's happened, I still wonder and even more so now.

That is interesting. Someone like Prince with such a laser focus can get sidetracked maybe, but forever? What was the hold Larry had?

doesn't sound like forever, someone said that larry was a lazy fuck in P's words and he stopped wanting him around.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Another avenue worth thinking about. This may sound a major conspiracy theory but just think what a logical and easy way it would be to kill someone with no suspicion.

A WB agent (or a hired hand working on their behalf) approaches Kirk, Meron or Phaedra or all 3 and gives them a massive bribe to provide inside information. They then explain his pill problem and where he keeps them along with information on the lack of a registered will (or explain where the will is and remove it) etc.

The WB agent now knowing there are no security cameras at PP enters (or instead pays one of the three to do it) and then ensures that the pills are replaced with ones laced with fentanyl knowing it would cause a massive overdose. P takes them late at night, is found dead next morning, this goes along with the narrative of a rock star hooked on drugs (and staff will confirm he had taken pain pills for years despite those ones being relatively harmless) and no-one would think any the wiser.

Kirk, Meron, Phaedra keep quiet as instructed, delete any evidence of collaboration with the agent, receive their money and disappear into the sunset (perhaps in a few years to be found dead themselves in suspicious circumstances).

[Edited 4/24/18 11:29am]

sure, that's pretty much what they did in essence anyway by letting the guy fuck himself up. but get ready to get tore apart freakie.

PeteSilas said: