Lovejunky said:

I caught that too...

Very strange...Difficult to accidentally send a Picture to some one UNLESS you are

deliberately sending a picture to some one and you acccidentally send it to the wrong number ?

So why was Kirk sending a picture of the stairs to ANYONE at that time...?

It feels creepy to me escpecially since the last time anyone heard frm Prince was 10.03

5 minutes after this picture was taken...

bondno9 said:

What in the world??? So KJ "accidently" sends a photo of some "stairs" to Dr. S at what looks like 9:38 pm and then at 11:12 pm sends another text saying "sorry for that photo. please fax those charts to Mr. Howard Kornfeld SO ..."

And where exactly is the staircase that is a picture of? Is it in PP?

jtfolden said:

PeteSilas said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The pills Prince supposedly took and the ones the police found in various locations of PP after Prince died.

Kirk cleaned the common areas as the investigative report states...

I dont think any employees/associates were permitted in his private living area unless invited.

Wouldn't it be a bit naive of him to think that by cleaning the common areas PP would be clear of stuff? If he could not access Prince's private quarters, then there was no way he could be sure that there were no pills around, which, imo, should have meant he would not leave Prince alone that night.

mnfriend said:

Every where you turn there is a tricky sign the mashed up white stuff placed next to the spoon looks like a Fent. cocktail being made The Daily Mail (English paper alluded to earlier) IS a damaging article to his ‘girlfriend’ just the word ‘girlfriend’ of ‘2 years’ all of it’s sad. Sad. I know Pete’s been joking but FYI in case Sasha1 has never ever been ‘drama’ and I’ve valued her steady quiet consistent logical inputs.

The white stuff on the counter looked like it had been either dropped or thrown. There were splatters on the camera.
Besides, if it were Fent surely that finding would be on the report.

disch said:

it's not really a question that we here can answer -- why kirk didn't know (or said he didn't know). The pills were all found in Prince's private living quarters and were mostly in mislabeled bottles, so it's possible, I guess, that people just didn't see. Or maybe they did and they aren't being honest with the police.

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I don't know about cleaning staff; there wasn't a cleaning person interview included in the docs.

Ellie77 said:

Could someone please help me with this one question I have? If the police/ detectives searching Prince's compound found money, pills in bottles or loose in Kleenex or bed sheets, how can His personal assistant,his bodygaurd/ best friend (Kirk) or even cleaning or maid staff not "see or know " what was happening??I'm sorry but just looking at the evidence photos it didn't look very " hidden" to me, especially if you are in his inner circle and had access to the whole building.And why do the police except that answer from them that they we're unaware?

Didn't Prince have a cleaning lady/guy? Surely he did not clean those toilets and changed the sheets himself. Would the cleaning person be allowed to just go in and clean, whilst unsupervised? Surely not. That person was probably accompanied by a member of Prince's inner circle. If that were the case, then they did have access to Prince's quarters, even if from time to time, and could have seen the signs. Just my opinion.

[Edited 4/25/18 4:25am]

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

I hate to sound like a broken record, but the authorities did not realize what they were walking into on April 21. They were not qualified to handle such a big case (international icon) and the rushed manner in which things were handled was appalling. That being said, I never trusted Larry Graham - I got my head chewed off here when I said Prince was probably supporting him (paid for his move to Minnesota, etc.) all those years. But nothing was the same after he came into the picture. And all the other people on the payroll were protecting their paychecks at Prince's expense, literally and figuratively. I still think he committed suicide, but there is so much here that doesn't add up. Just doesn't.

quit being drama queen, no one here would "chew your head off" over Larry, everyone but me hated him it seemed.

I don't think I've ever been a drama queen, but the push back was real and intense.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ksl1974 said:

Larry Graham was the beginning of the end for Prince. It was all a domino effect after that. Granted, Larry didn't cause Prince's hip pain, etc. But he sure as hell didn't help him to go about the right way to treat it. God forbid someone do the right thing ....course then their gravy train (Prince) would have cut them off. I have no doubt Kirk was involved in getting him these counterfit pills. But I also 100% believe he (Kirk) didn't KNOW they were counterfit. Still no excuse. But nothing about this was malicious I don't think. Other than greed....and negligence.

YES, condoned Prince's leaving a marriage to the grieving mother of his child, gave a JW thumbs up to Prince's adultery with his second wife...put a religious/acceptable gloss on these disturbing behaviors up and to including the BURNING of Mayte's possessions and perhaps the ashes of Amiir...I mean..how evil and hypocritical can one freeloader get? and WHY didn't any right-thinking, moral, sensitive person in the inner circle call Bullshit on it all AND point out that that divorce and remarriage had very little to do with living an upstanding Christian life...Wasn't there ONE decent person around him with their head screwed on straight?

Exactly!

Strawberrylova123 said:

jtfolden said:

Which is not honestly evidence Prince had high BP. He could have been, and certainly was, very stressed at that point in time. He also seemed to shy away from doctors for anything beyond B12 shots, too, so he could have had "white coat syndrome". I have it... my BP is a LOT higher at the beginning of a doctor's visit than it is if they check it at the end.

As a medical assistant his BP was very high but his pulse is perfect

Strawberrylova123, his pulse was perfect? I actually though that was increadibly high, but perhaps the measures are different in the States (as compared to Europe).

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

MiPans said:

Thanks - I am fortunate and am doing very well. I am grateful every day.

I wonder about Prince having blood pressure meds in PPark. I think it very possible that he was self-treating for at least some conditions. His blood presssure was high, as was reported in the NYT accessible documents. It does make some sense to conclude that he may have been treating this condition by having others obtain meds for him, as these meds are not typically controlled medications. Why have them around? Blood pressure med are known for their nasty side effects. I would be interested in finding out the dates medications were prescribed.

Again, he could have had an underlying medical condition that was not disclosed. After all, he indicated to Dr. S that he was having difficulties because he took TYLENOL. Some may argue that he was being up front bc he indicated wisdom tooth removal, but that is just part of the compartmentalization. I will tell you about my wisdom tooth (therefore I am sharing information and being up front with you), so you will be more likely to believe me when I tell you I am trying to stop taking tylenol and the soup was bad.

Just saying - and as a person who has dx for both cancer and lyme disease (missed for 20 years) - it makes sense to me on some level to be distrustful. I thought I was going to the ER for diverticulitis and wound up losing most of my lady parts and a 12 pound tumor.

Prince was not exactly a trusting sort, and he seems to have a well developed capacity for rationalizing. In listening to interviews from associates, I am thinking that this is one of the more endearing aspects of his personality. People knew he was not quite on spot with his reasoning, so they wanted to protect him?

Again, would you please point me to the direction of the Lisinopril and where was it ever stated that Prince took it?

MiPans said:

PennyPurple said:

Could you please show me where it was reported that Prince had high blood pressure and was being treated for it. There were no health issues other then mild anemia. If he had cancer or anything else, he would've had to go to the Dr to find that out. He didn't go to Drs.

Stop trying to change the narrative to cancer again, because that's BS.

The NYT documents indicate that Prince's blood pressure was high, when taken at Dr. S's office. I cannot quote the exact page, but it is in the reports. I believe the systolic was close to 160 (maybe around 158?) and the diastolic was maybe low. However, the systolic was certainly high. I am not at all saying that Prince had cancer, there is no evidence for that in the documents released. However, there is also no information in the documents to disprove an underlying health issue, including cancer. How do you prove something does not exist, when scientists indicate that we all have our DNA breaking down with most people having cells running amok. Edit: the documents also state from multiple sources that Prince had doctors in MN that he routinely saw and even had flown out to concerts. However, none of the interviewees could remember the doctors' names (yes, that is plural doctors who were referenced in the NYT documents.)

[Edited 4/24/18 21:31pm]

Again, where is it stated that he was on lisinopril? That blood pressure really isn't that high. And he did not have a regular dr who he was under for any medical reason, except when he went to Dr. S..2 times.

206Michelle said:

disch said:

i found the blood pressure info -- page 140 of the report:

"In reading the Doctors notes from the 04-20-16 appointment with Prince I observed, Dr. Schulenberg obtained Prince's vitals. Prince's blood pressure was 158/80. Prince's pulse was 93, temp was 98.5F, weight was 109 and his height was 5' 4" "

5’4 and 109...that is underweight! But I thought he was 5’2.

I thought the autopsy showed 5'2 and 112 pounds.?

MiPans said:

jtfolden said:

I don't recall reading that he had BP meds in PP. There was an UNRELATED incident where someone reported that Kirk kept narcotics for Prince in an old house he used to rent BUT upon investigation the pills in questiowere indeed Kirks own pills (including lisinopril) and not for Prince.

I cannot recall the exact page number, but lisonopril (sp?) was listed on an inventory of pills or pill bottles found in Prince's private quarters. I noticed the name because I have been added to number of fat Americans requiring blood pressure meds. The person, Shaun (I think KJ's nephew) is quite young, so probably would not be an expected candidate for blood pressure meds. Just one reason I was interested in possible dates. I can't imagine that Prince went without having his blood pressure checked by doctors he contracted for vitamin B shots. I also can imagine thinking, "I can handle this."

No, let's stay as close to the facts as we possibly can. Those pills were found in Kirks OLD house that was sold, and they belonged to Kirk's nephew. The lady who bought the house was inside cleaning it and found those pills and took them to the police and they were not Prince's but Kirk nephew's that they left behind.

jtfolden said:

disch said:

He did have the blood-pressure med clonidine, prescribed on 4/20 by Dr S, but Dr S implied he prescribed for opiate withdrawal relief (a common use for that drug)

Right... if he had been given it for BP, I would think Dr S would have just said so...

Dr S specifically stated that the clonidine has multiple uses and he gave it to Prince for withdrawels.

For someone as meticulous as Prince was, I cannot see him living in a space as was shown in the visuals from the investigation. However, I think his decline started at least three or four years before his death. Definitely two - because the Rolling Stone reporter who interviewed him in 2014 said PP was showing signs of inattention. He either didn't care anymore, or his personal life was spiraling out of control. One other thing about Fentanyl: there was a New York Times article on drug use and the opioid crisis in America in which it was stated that users know the risk associated with Fentanyl, and they in a way want tainted pills for a bigger high. I don't think Prince used to get high - I still don't - but he was too smart not to know the risks of illegal drugs. JMO

Strawberrylova123 said:

Can we all squash that prince had an illness because the doctor said nothing significant was found in his blood besides slight anemia

Exactly.

1Sasha said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

XxAxX said:

forgive me but the same type of speculation has been plaguing me as well. just the fact that fentanyl can be administered in spray form bothers me https://www.drugs.com/cdi...spray.html

Also to this speculation, it was noted that his face was moist and the temp inside PP was 75 And those three having a secret app to hide what they were discussing [Edited 4/24/18 15:31pm]

You say 'secret app' like it was something nefarious. But WhatsApp is the most popular messaging app in the world.

PeteSilas said:

leecaldon said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

XxAxX said: Also to this speculation, it was noted that his face was moist and the temp inside PP was 75 And those three having a secret app to hide what they were discussing [Edited 4/24/18 15:31pm]

You say 'secret app' like it was something nefarious. But WhatsApp is the most popular messaging app in the world.

I think they mean secret as in:

end-to-end encryption into the latest versions of our app. When end-to-end encrypted, your messages and calls are secured so only you and the person you're communicating with can read or listen to them, and nobody in between, not even WhatsApp.

This is from the WhatsApp website.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

MMJas said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

1Sasha said:

disch said:

I don't think anybody, even an experienced user, can figure out Fentanyl. Especially when it first hit the market. A few grains can kill you. In August 2016, 27 people died of overdose in the town I was born in, 50,000 people. Plus, we know the counterfeit pills had varying amounts and were mixed in the bottles with legit pills that looked the same.

MMJas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

jtfolden said: As a medical assistant his BP was very high but his pulse is perfect

Strawberrylova123, his pulse was perfect? I actually though that was increadibly high, but perhaps the measures are different in the States (as compared to Europe).

I'm in the US and I thought the pulse was high also. I've always been that an idle pulse is in the 70s.