[Please stay on topic, do not derail the thread with something that has nothing to do with the investigation snip - luv4u]

206Michelle said:

disch said:

disch said:

yeah the investigator reports said that they were noting the enemas because constipation is a side-effect of opioid use

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

Yeah, it's pretty bad, they had to end up prescribing my husband shots that I had to give him for his constipation.

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:

He wasn't a hardcore user of painkillers for 20 years. Mayte said incidents involving pills were few and far between during their marriage. Mani said he used painkillers regularly during their marriage, but she didn't describe the usage as hardcore, as far as I know.

Can someone explain how anyone could be a “hardcore” user of painkillers for 20 years? You’d be dead long before 20 years. In The Star Tribune article Sheila E. confirmed hip replacement surgery at Mayo in 2010 and said Prince was in a lot of pain before the surgery. She and a couple other associates confirmed his use of painkillers due to being in pain. But other employees they saw no evidence of addiction. Josh Welton said they weren’t around the “drug environment” and it was something Prince prohibited. Seems quite clear that physical pain lead him to start taking painkillers. A question I have though is, Kirk is the one getting all the hate but what about Sheila, or Mani or anyone else that was aware he was taking painkillers. Were they concerned that he was becoming dependent? If so did they try and do something about it?

They knew. Sheila contacted Judith and asked her to stay quiet about it, and if she needed a lawyer they would lawyer her up. Omarr stated that Mani told him after P died, that he was using pain pills when they were married. THis is what I've been trying to tell you all.

And again the major complaint was pain in his arm, & hands, he was seeing a chiro for sciatic pain in his leg.

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

206Michelle said: Can someone explain how anyone could be a “hardcore” user of painkillers for 20 years? You’d be dead long before 20 years. In The Star Tribune article Sheila E. confirmed hip replacement surgery at Mayo in 2010 and said Prince was in a lot of pain before the surgery. She and a couple other associates confirmed his use of painkillers due to being in pain. But other employees they saw no evidence of addiction. Josh Welton said they weren’t around the “drug environment” and it was something Prince prohibited. Seems quite clear that physical pain lead him to start taking painkillers. A question I have though is, Kirk is the one getting all the hate but what about Sheila, or Mani or anyone else that was aware he was taking painkillers. Were they concerned that he was becoming dependent? If so did they try and do something about it?

They knew. Sheila contacted Judith and asked her to stay quiet about it, and if she needed a lawyer they would lawyer her up. Omarr stated that Mani told him after P died, that he was using pain pills when they were married. THis is what I've been trying to tell you all.

And again the major complaint was pain in his arm, & hands, he was seeing a chiro for sciatic pain in his leg.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

rogifan said:

206Michelle said: Can someone explain how anyone could be a “hardcore” user of painkillers for 20 years? You’d be dead long before 20 years. In The Star Tribune article Sheila E. confirmed hip replacement surgery at Mayo in 2010 and said Prince was in a lot of pain before the surgery. She and a couple other associates confirmed his use of painkillers due to being in pain. But other employees they saw no evidence of addiction. Josh Welton said they weren’t around the “drug environment” and it was something Prince prohibited. Seems quite clear that physical pain lead him to start taking painkillers. A question I have though is, Kirk is the one getting all the hate but what about Sheila, or Mani or anyone else that was aware he was taking painkillers. Were they concerned that he was becoming dependent? If so did they try and do something about it?

They knew. Sheila contacted Judith and asked her to stay quiet about it, and if she needed a lawyer they would lawyer her up. Omarr stated that Mani told him after P died, that he was using pain pills when they were married. THis is what I've been trying to tell you all.

And again the major complaint was pain in his arm, & hands, he was seeing a chiro for sciatic pain in his leg.

I don't agree with much Sheila has said or done, but I think her comments to Judith are part of the broader backdrop -- he surrounded himself for much of his life with people who were fiercely protective of him and his privacy. I don't think there's anything more to it than that - Sheila just didn't want his personal business getting out in a way that would be embarrassing. Obviously that tactic has failed.

disch said:

yeah the investigator reports said that they were noting the enemas because constipation is a side-effect of opioid use

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

There are several laxative bottles in the photos.

rogifan said:

EnDoRpHn said:

PennyPurple said:

They knew. Sheila contacted Judith and asked her to stay quiet about it, and if she needed a lawyer they would lawyer her up. Omarr stated that Mani told him after P died, that he was using pain pills when they were married. THis is what I've been trying to tell you all.

And again the major complaint was pain in his arm, & hands, he was seeing a chiro for sciatic pain in his leg.

I don't agree with much Sheila has said or done, but I think her comments to Judith are part of the broader backdrop -- he surrounded himself for much of his life with people who were fiercely protective of him and his privacy. I don't think there's anything more to it than that - Sheila just didn't want his personal business getting out in a way that would be embarrassing. Obviously that tactic has failed.

Sheila didn't want his personal business getting out in the police investigation and basically told Judith not to say anything. It was a police investigation and they wanted people to lie?

PeteSilas said:

i gotta say, it's hard to know if everyone was being completely forthcoming in their statements. Some folks insisted they knew nothing, and while I don't think they're all lying, perhaps some are "forgetting" a few things.

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I do think that people tended to move in and out of his inner circle regularly, and I can't help but think that the people who started to see/suspect too much quickly found themselves out. Perhaps the few people in his inner circle at the time of his death got there specifically becaue they didn't (yet) know what he was struggling with.

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

Can someone explain how anyone could be a “hardcore” user of painkillers for 20 years? You’d be dead long before 20 years. In The Star Tribune article Sheila E. confirmed hip replacement surgery at Mayo in 2010 and said Prince was in a lot of pain before the surgery. She and a couple other associates confirmed his use of painkillers due to being in pain. But other employees they saw no evidence of addiction. Josh Welton said they weren’t around the “drug environment” and it was something Prince prohibited. Seems quite clear that physical pain lead him to start taking painkillers. A question I have though is, Kirk is the one getting all the hate but what about Sheila, or Mani or anyone else that was aware he was taking painkillers. Were they concerned that he was becoming dependent? If so did they try and do something about it?

Something else to add to this...Mariah Brown, who was one of his assistants in Minnesota from 2013-2015 said she never saw Prince take painkillers and was never asked to get any for him. So it might have been an open secret with some employees/associates but not with everyone.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

yeah I guess i wasn't speaking of her specifically. More the people in the police interviews. Again, not so much lying necessarily as perhaps just blocking some thinngs out. But who knows; like I said perhaps the reason Prince let these people stay close to him was because they really didn't know anything.

rogifan said:

disch said:

i gotta say, it's hard to know if everyone was being completely forthcoming in their statements. Some folks insisted they knew nothing, and while I don't think they're all lying, perhaps some are "forgetting" a few things.

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I do think that people tended to move in and out of his inner circle regularly, and I can't help but think that the people who started to see/suspect too much quickly found themselves out. Perhaps the few people in his inner circle at the time of his death got there specifically becaue they didn't (yet) know what he was struggling with.

This interview with Mariah Brown was with the Associated Press shortly after his passing. She certainly didn’t sound like she was lying or hiding anything. Seems entirely possible to me that not all associates knew what was going on. Especially if they didn’t have access to his bedroom or bathroom.

EnDoRpHn said:

She never said Sheila told her to lie. She told her not to talk. May seem shady but it’s not the same thing.

The police didnt seem concerned by this comment.

Judith said she knew Sheila real well and she was being protective of her.

Throughout all this the things that continues to bite hard is that Prince was in enough pain that he resorted to Pharmeceutical Drugs to manage it.

WHether it was in his Hips, hands, back or wherever

doesnt matter.

He was hurting

and THAT hurts !

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

EnDoRpHn said:

She never said Sheila told her to lie. She told her not to talk. May seem shady but it’s not the same thing.

The police didnt seem concerned by this comment.

Judith said she knew Sheila real well and she was being protective of her.

Agree. That part read to me like Sheila was looking out for Judith. Offered to help her get an attorney.

I'm still struggling with the issue of his physical pain because it's not clear from the documentation exactly how big a role physical pain played in his life, and what the cause and effect was (muscle cramping, for example, is an effect of opioid withdrawal). When he was talking to Dr S in the last month of his life, the bigger issue definitely seemed to be the nausea and being "antsy" and anxious. The drugs that Dr S gave him were to manage those issues, not so much physical pain.

Lovejunky said:

Throughout all this the things that continues to bite hard is that Prince was in enough pain that he resorted to Pharmeceutical Drugs to manage it.

WHether it was in his Hips, hands, back or wherever

doesnt matter.

He was hurting

and THAT hurts !

Lovejunky said:

Lovejunky said:

Throughout all this the things that continues to bite hard is that Prince was in enough pain that he resorted to Pharmeceutical Drugs to manage it.

WHether it was in his Hips, hands, back or wherever

doesnt matter.

He was hurting

and THAT hurts !

It sure does.

disch said:

I'm still struggling with the issue of his physical pain because it's not clear from the documentation exactly how big a role physical pain played in his life, and what the cause and effect was (muscle cramping, for example, is an effect of opioid withdrawal). When he was talking to Dr S in the last month of his life, the bigger issue definitely seemed to be the nausea and being "antsy" and anxious. The drugs that Dr S gave him were to manage those issues, not so much physical pain.

Lovejunky said:

Throughout all this the things that continues to bite hard is that Prince was in enough pain that he resorted to Pharmeceutical Drugs to manage it.

WHether it was in his Hips, hands, back or wherever

doesnt matter.

He was hurting

and THAT hurts !

IF you listen to enough of the electronic files particularly the Statements and interviews

just about Every single person says they Knew he was in Pain...

and Obvioulsy he was becasue he certainly wasnt taking those opiats for SHits and Giggles

He had enough of those in his life already

disch said:

I read every transcripts of the interviews. People mentioned pain but the people who were in his inner circle didn't really mention that excrutiating physical pain was a dominant issue for him on a daily basis. And Prince didn't really discuss physical pain all that much even with Dr S. Not saying pain didnt come up (he discussed hand pain with Judith) but it didn't seem to dominate.

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I definitely don't think he was taking drugs for "shits and giggles." I think he was addicted and took them to avoid withdrawal symptoms which can be crippling. That's not "shits and giggles" or "recreation" or any of those kinds of words.

Lovejunky said:

disch said:

I'm still struggling with the issue of his physical pain because it's not clear from the documentation exactly how big a role physical pain played in his life, and what the cause and effect was (muscle cramping, for example, is an effect of opioid withdrawal). When he was talking to Dr S in the last month of his life, the bigger issue definitely seemed to be the nausea and being "antsy" and anxious. The drugs that Dr S gave him were to manage those issues, not so much physical pain.

IF you listen to enough of the electronic files particularly the Statements and interviews

just about Every single person says they Knew he was in Pain...

and Obvioulsy he was becasue he certainly wasnt taking those opiats for SHits and Giggles

He had enough of those in his life already

rogifan said:

Lovejunky said:

disch said:

I'm still struggling with the issue of his physical pain because it's not clear from the documentation exactly how big a role physical pain played in his life, and what the cause and effect was (muscle cramping, for example, is an effect of opioid withdrawal). When he was talking to Dr S in the last month of his life, the bigger issue definitely seemed to be the nausea and being "antsy" and anxious. The drugs that Dr S gave him were to manage those issues, not so much physical pain.

IF you listen to enough of the electronic files particularly the Statements and interviews

just about Every single person says they Knew he was in Pain...

and Obvioulsy he was becasue he certainly wasnt taking those opiats for SHits and Giggles

He had enough of those in his life already

So true!

sexyisintheimagination said: