rogifan said:

Exactly. We know he was dealing with pain, we know he was taking pills to deal with the pain and we know that the pills got the best of him (as they do so many others, hence why the US government has declared it an epidemic). I don’t need to know any more. I struggle to understand why anyone needs to know more.

You continually come on this thread to complain.

Move on to another thread.

rogifan said:

benni said:

I agree, it is. I just keep thinking how Prince would be reacting to all of this, being out there on the net. He would not be happy with any of this, at all. And it's beyond sad.

Exactly. We know he was dealing with pain, we know he was taking pills to deal with the pain and we know that the pills got the best of him (as they do so many others, hence why the US government has declared it an epidemic). I don’t need to know any more. I struggle to understand why anyone needs to know more.

I think there are two main intellectual and/or emotional 'struggles' on the Org. re Prince's death. 1) HOW/why did his addiction proceed and deepen without anyone intervening powerfully to help save the most important musician of our time? and 2) HOW can his fan community reconcile what we have come to know and accept with the image of 'Prince' that was carefully curated and fed to us for four decades. Part of being human is trying to understand, make sense of, name, accept STUFF and this is a LOT to handle for most on the Org.

Patience...it will get better.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

rogifan said:

benni said: Exactly. We know he was dealing with pain, we know he was taking pills to deal with the pain and we know that the pills got the best of him (as they do so many others, hence why the US government has declared it an epidemic). I don’t need to know any more. I struggle to understand why anyone needs to know more.

I think there are two main intellectual and/or emotional 'struggles' on the Org. re Prince's death. 1) HOW/why did his addiction proceed and deepen without anyone intervening powerfully to help save the most important musician of our time? and 2) HOW can his fan community reconcile what we have come to know and accept with the image of 'Prince' that was carefully curated and fed to us for four decades. Part of being human is trying to understand, make sense of, name, accept STUFF and this is a LOT to handle for most on the Org.

Patience...it will get better.

we all need to hear that everyday anyway

rogifan said:

benni said:

I agree, it is. I just keep thinking how Prince would be reacting to all of this, being out there on the net. He would not be happy with any of this, at all. And it's beyond sad.

Exactly. We know he was dealing with pain, we know he was taking pills to deal with the pain and we know that the pills got the best of him (as they do so many others, hence why the US government has declared it an epidemic). I don’t need to know any more. I struggle to understand why anyone needs to know more.

To me, it's depressing to know that this man has been hurting for so very long, but he still went out and performed, through the pain, because he loved music, but also because we the fans demanded it. We wanted more and more of him. When he wasn't performing, we were wanting to know why, and when will he be out there performing again. When he wasn't recording, we were wanting to know why, and reminding him that he left WB because they wouldn't let him record at the amount that he wanted to, and so we wanted him to record more. If an album did come out, we the fans analyzed every little note and if it wasn't up to the perfection that we demanded from him, we let him know. And the entire time that we were doing that, he was hurting, in pain, suffering silently, and still trying to meet our demands of his musical output. And he was in pain, he was hurting, and every day we were wondering what he had planned for us next musically. We demand so much from the ones we admire, and then they have to live up to it, even when they are in pain.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rogifan said:

Exactly. We know he was dealing with pain, we know he was taking pills to deal with the pain and we know that the pills got the best of him (as they do so many others, hence why the US government has declared it an epidemic). I don’t need to know any more. I struggle to understand why anyone needs to know more.

You continually come on this thread to complain.

Move on to another thread.

rogifan,

To address the documents and pictures being released. The law applies to everyone, there is no celebrity exemption. What P would or would not have wanted carries no weight, the law is the law. This isn’t a national security issue.

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In addition, when tax dollars are being spent we have a right to know what those tax dollars are being spent on and the results. I’d be at Town Hall in a minute asking questions and seeking answers if my property tax bill went up and they told me they spent the money on ‘confidential investigations’.

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thanks, DD55

poppys said:

^^ NICE

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

bondno9 said:

And also vomit was found in his mouth

PennyPurple said:

Opioid use causes very severe constipation.

I am aware of that.

But the non sequitor comment of vomit found in his mouth is what my post was about. Drama - saying the worst after the worst, or what? Very undignified pile on image, there should be a reason.

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There was also vomit in his throat in Moline according to the emt.

poppys said:

Who knows ? What they did/are doing is the polar opposite of what he would want. I'm not talm bout just here on the org, down & dirty is expected in public discussion. So much disrespect from the state he left all his $$ to. PR nightmare we are all living through. The Celebration/Releasegotdameverything mash-up is very hard to take.

I know Poppy's I have become very skeptic of anybody who was an associates of P's and his family.

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

I am aware of that.

But the non sequitor comment of vomit found in his mouth is what my post was about. Drama - saying the worst after the worst, or what? Very undignified pile on image, there should be a reason.

There was also vomit in his throat in Moline according to the emt.

That is really gross, thank you. What do the 2 have to do with each other and where is bondno9, who I was responding to in the first place? Over.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

There was also vomit in his throat in Moline according to the emt.

That is really gross, thank you. What do the 2 have to do with each other and where is bondno9, who I was responding to in the first place? Over.

Sorry poppy it's on an open forum and everyone is just responding to each other. Looks to me like things are going to be discussed here and have been that's not going to be pretty, maybe you should just stop looking.

benni said:

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

There was also vomit in his throat in Moline according to the emt.

That is really gross, thank you. What do the 2 have to do with each other and where is bondno9, who I was responding to in the first place? Over.

Can you not read? I aked you a question. Geesh. If you don't like the details keep it moving. Some of us are taking time to read a report for ourselves and simply digesting it amongst ourselves.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

bondno9 said:

EnDoRpHn said:

I don't agree with much Sheila has said or done, but I think her comments to Judith are part of the broader backdrop -- he surrounded himself for much of his life with people who were fiercely protective of him and his privacy. I don't think there's anything more to it than that - Sheila just didn't want his personal business getting out in a way that would be embarrassing. Obviously that tactic has failed.

Eh ... Sheila didn't mind putting his personal business out here when she wrote her book revealing their "engagement" and then walking around like his "ex-fiancee" after his death

I guess you missed the first sentence -- what do you think I was talking about? That being said, I don't know what Sheila talking about their "engagement" has to do with her comments to Judith, other than she seemed to insert herself into something she hadn't been part of in a while.

purplerabbithole said:

rogifan said:

benni said:

To me, it's depressing to know that this man has been hurting for so very long, but he still went out and performed, through the pain, because he loved music, but also because we the fans demanded it. We wanted more and more of him. When he wasn't performing, we were wanting to know why, and when will he be out there performing again. When he wasn't recording, we were wanting to know why, and reminding him that he left WB because they wouldn't let him record at the amount that he wanted to, and so we wanted him to record more. If an album did come out, we the fans analyzed every little note and if it wasn't up to the perfection that we demanded from him, we let him know. And the entire time that we were doing that, he was hurting, in pain, suffering silently, and still trying to meet our demands of his musical output. And he was in pain, he was hurting, and every day we were wondering what he had planned for us next musically. We demand so much from the ones we admire, and then they have to live up to it, even when they are in pain.

Yep, absolutely.

This was an intelligent, wealthy man who had friends all over the world. If you have pain, you seek professional medical help. Period. He didn't make his own pianos or guitars...he went to professionals. He didn't craft his own clothes or jewelry or mix up pots of his own makeup...he went to professionals. If you are concerned with privacy, use the same tactics you used when you had hip surgery and a million other incidents in your life that the public knows nothing about. It wasn't his pain that led to addiction and his too-early death, it was a mania for secrecy, not trusting anyone and arrogance in thinking that he could manage the disease of addiction all by himself. Obviously he never planned that his most lasting legacy might not be his music, but his struggle with addiction. But, if that turns out to be his true legacy...would the salvaging of thousands of lives be such an awful thing that he left in his wake?

RJOrion said:

rogifan said:

benni said:

To me, it's depressing to know that this man has been hurting for so very long, but he still went out and performed, through the pain, because he loved music, but also because we the fans demanded it. We wanted more and more of him. When he wasn't performing, we were wanting to know why, and when will he be out there performing again. When he wasn't recording, we were wanting to know why, and reminding him that he left WB because they wouldn't let him record at the amount that he wanted to, and so we wanted him to record more. If an album did come out, we the fans analyzed every little note and if it wasn't up to the perfection that we demanded from him, we let him know. And the entire time that we were doing that, he was hurting, in pain, suffering silently, and still trying to meet our demands of his musical output. And he was in pain, he was hurting, and every day we were wondering what he had planned for us next musically. We demand so much from the ones we admire, and then they have to live up to it, even when they are in pain.

Yep, absolutely.

This was an intelligent, wealthy man who had friends all over the world. If you have pain, you seek professional medical help. Period. He didn't make his own pianos or guitars...he went to professionals. He didn't craft his own clothes or jewelry or mix up pots of his own makeup...he went to professionals. If you are concerned with privacy, use the same tactics you used when you had hip surgery and a million other incidents in your life that the public knows nothing about. It wasn't his pain that led to addiction and his too-early death, it was a mania for secrecy, not trusting anyone and arrogance in thinking that he could manage the disease of addiction all by himself. Obviously he never planned that his most lasting legacy might not be his music, but his struggle with addiction. But, if that turns out to be his true legacy...would the salvaging of thousands of lives be such an awful thing that he left in his wake?

After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.

1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.

2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.

This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.

And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.

And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.

Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.

The above is my opinion.

[Edited 4/22/18 10:43am]

BillieBalloon said:

purplerabbithole said:

What if he been taking pain pills all along to deal with social anxiety (like that anonymous drug dealer stated) and for a while to help with any aches and pains. But then the pains became serious and the tolerance for the pills grew and then he needed more pills to deal with the pain...escalating his problem. When he got relief for the pain through other means (chiropactor, operations) maybe he went back to lower dosages.

Another thing--if Prince had the habit back in the day ("Back in the day" were sheila's words) what does that mean? During the Revolution? Even if he started taking too many around the time of Manuela, this was years before the hip surgery. How were they able to perform surgery [Snip – luv4u]. Very dangerous?

Listen, if you read the report you would know that officers asked Manuella about Prince having anxiety or stage fright before a show. Manuella categorically stated that he did not, she should know. The drug dealer story was based around Prince having stagefright and using drugs to combat it. Manuella would not lie to the police about it.

Why would a drug dealer openly confess to supplying a major celebrity who has just died, when they know that a massive investigation has just been launched that might eventually reach back to implicate them?

That was an attention whore and celebrity fame seeker.

EnDoRpHn said:

bondno9 said:

Eh ... Sheila didn't mind putting his personal business out here when she wrote her book revealing their "engagement" and then walking around like his "ex-fiancee" after his death

I guess you missed the first sentence -- what do you think I was talking about? That being said, I don't know what Sheila talking about their "engagement" has to do with her comments to Judith, other than she seemed to insert herself into something she hadn't been part of in a while.

There is something off about how Sheila became the spokes person of all things Prince within minutes of his death. I also think they (inner circle, family, select friends) were in fact, as Tyka had eluded, preparing for the day P might/would OD. Sadly, the reason I think this is within minutes of his death, Shelia was on national TV with a well thought out narrative that seemed a little too well rehearsed. Even at the time, I thought she was a little to cool, calm and collected. Where in contrast T. Hall who didn’t see him day to day was clearly distraught, she probably didn’t have a clue. JMHO ~DD55

disch said:

I get it, I just don't see the connection to Prince's death, because whatever their intent or thoughts or whatever were, was complely irrelevant to Prince's death. My interest is really in Prince's life and death and the people and actiond that contributed to his death; whatever Andrew and his dad's process was does not contribute in any way to my understanding of Prince's death.

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cloveringold85 said:

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You seem to be missing the point I am trying to make here. I'm talking about their actions (intent) leading up to finding Prince in the elevator, not the time when Andrew arrived. I know they aren't responsible for Prince's death, because they weren't there.

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I have read Andrew's interview with the detectives and a lot of what he said does not make sense. Even the detective indicated the same, and he questioned why Andrew was carrying those drugs and if he could not administer them, then what would be the point in having them? I shouldn't have to explain this.

[Edited 4/21/18 13:31pm]

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And, I agree with that. I'm just a person who values someone's character. Maybe some of you don't look at it that way, but I do. It comes down to morals and ethics, especially when providing care to a very sick person or someone who is having a "grave medical emergency", as Dr. Kornfeld put it. For Dr. Kornfeld to even consider sending his med student Son on a mission like that, just tells me this is not a man who thinks clearly. Personally, I think it was all about the money; always the money!! These doctors saw dollar signs in their eyes -- and Prince is gone.

PennyPurple said:

After reading 214 pages of documents that was on the Star Tribune link, this entire weekend, I have a few things to say.

1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.

2. Three main players are Kirk, Phaedra, Meron. These 3 players even resorted to using an app called Whats App, to hide their text messages between each other. I believe these 3 are the ones who really know what happened. Judith doesn't know crap.. the 3 mentioned above wouldn't even speak to the police after the 1st short interview, I don't think Phaedra ever has spoke to them. A lot of shady people here.

This I know for sure, The players in all this include some associates who also tried to keep his drug use hidden, even after death. These people know what they did and what they didn't do. They will have to live with this for the rest of their lives, and I hope they have nightmares every.single.night.

And to the associates that keep welcoming these people into your groups, well you might want to re-think your association with them....it really looks and feels bad. How you can be nice to these people to their face is beyond me.

And to the ones who shredded documents, erased computers and lied. Again they are the ones who have to live with it, every day for the rest of their lives, and I hope that it tears you apart.

Also, I refuse to support any of these associates any longer, I will not be buying what they are selling, even the items that PP is selling. I refuse to support their lies and fakeness.

The only thing I will purchase will be Prince's book, because I still love him as a person and as an artist and forever will love his music. I am looking forward to the music from the vault if we are ever able to get it. That I will support.

The above is my opinion.

[Edited 4/22/18 10:43am]

After reading the police reports, it seems that perhaps Kirk went to look for Prince, found him, came back to where Meron and Andrew were sitting down waiting and took Meron with him, who then screamed upon seeing Prince. Andrew stated that Kirk came back looking nervous and like he had interrupted Prince or something.
Could it be possible that Kirk cleaned/dressed/tidied up Prince before going back to where the other two were? I got the impression that that could have been the case, but I haven't finished the whole report. If that were the case, it could explain them being secretive or not very willing to speak, i guess.

[Edited 4/22/18 10:56am]

The Detectives served a subpoena to the Medical Center where Dr. S worked for P's medical records. The Detectives received everything even his urine tests but did not receive his blood test.

When the Detective contacted the attorney for the Medical Center to inquire why he didnt forward the blood test, he was told the the blood test was sent directly to the ME.

Odd.

Even odder?

The attorney representing the Medical Center works in the same law firm that the attorneys for the Estate.

EnDoRpHn said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Detectives served a subpoena to the Medical Center where Dr. S worked for P's medical records. The Detectives received everything even his urine tests but did not receive his blood test.

When the Detective contacted the attorney for the Medical Center to inquire why he didnt forward the blood test, he was told the the blood test was sent directly to the ME.

Odd.

Even odder?

The attorney representing the Medical Center works in the same law firm that the attorneys for the Estate.

I thought that I read the only thing the blood work showed that had any concern attached to it, was that he was slightly anemic. After going thru 100's of pages it's a little hard for ME to stay clear.

[Edited 4/22/18 11:08am]

DD55 said:

PennyPurple said:

1. Omarr was very concerned and kept going to the police when ever he heard any details. Omarr really tried to help them with info for their case.

[Edited 4/22/18 10:43am]

Omarr comes across as a complete idiot.