ThatWhiteDude said:

They said it was an accident, can we just let it be an accident? We won't get any more informations than the authorities.

Some folks not willing or ready to accept results of the investigation.

The blue bag with opium printed on it, contained money.

endiadj said:

paulludvig said:

What about those who claim he was a hardcore addict for twenty years?

That has been discussed here too.

He wasn't a hardcore user of painkillers for 20 years. Mayte said incidents involving pills were few and far between during their marriage. Mani said he used painkillers regularly during their marriage, but she didn't describe the usage as hardcore, as far as I know.

XxAxX said:

apologies if this has been posted already:

from Minnesota news KSTP http://kstp.com/news/prin...735/?cat=5

[excerpted] . . .

Files and e-mails from Prince’s computer may have been deleted before investigators took control of it, according to documents released in the case.

Detectives left the computer at Paisley Park for days after clearing the scene.

Buried deep in the documents released by the Carver County Sheriff’s Office on Thursday are allegations of someone connected to Prince destroying files on his computer.

For four days after Prince’s death, investigative documents reveal that the computer next to Prince’s bed sat at Paisley Park available for anyone to use – and perhaps – destroy.

“I think they made a few mistakes,” Joe Daly, Criminal Law Professor at Mitchell Hamline School of Law, said. “Even the investigator in the affidavit admits he probably made a mistake. He wishes he had taken the computer.”

The investigators wrote that he “…regretted not taking the computer by the bedside of Nelson, as I believed that this contained conversations between his staff and Nelson about medications possibly…”

According to the police documents, family members at the time alleged that people close to Prince were “shredding papers” and “deleting files off Prince’s computer.”

A search warrant for one of Prince’s e-mail accounts revealed that “content had been deleted.”

“If they knew they were intentionally impeding an police investigation, that is a crime. You are obstructing justice,” Daly said.

. . .[continued at link]

I mentioned this earlier on this thread about why didn't the Carver Co. Sheriff's Office or the FBI try to obtain the erased emails from Google.

[Edited 4/21/18 18:14pm]

purplerabbithole said:

My understanding is that they tried to call him earlier in the morning and he didn't react. The last call was at 7:42. Maybe, in that hour between 8 and 9, Andrew maybe was getting out of bed, taking a shower etc, and they were picking up Andrew. There is definitely a bit of mystery here.

Kirk, Meron & Andrew went to breakfast before heading over to PP. It's in the reports.

luv4u said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

They said it was an accident, can we just let it be an accident? We won't get any more informations than the authorities.

Some folks not willing or ready to accept results of the investigation.

It's over anyway, there won't be new reports.

206Michelle said:

[Please stay on topic, do not derail the thread with something that has nothing to do with the investigation snip - luv4u]

ThatWhiteDude said:

PeteSilas said:

Strive said: I remember Arjuna she said p was a twitter friend and that they spoke of suicide we all though she was a wierdo

If that was true, it would've been in the reports, wouldn't it?

calm down dude, i didn't say i believed her, we all told her to go to the police and then all her posts dissapeared. i checked out her twitter, she looked like one of those very unbalanced fans to me, the kind prince would choose to stay away from. she actually had posts from her twitter from prince, no one believed her, and without any proof i still don't. haven't seen her in awhile, she's probably banned i dunno.

endiadj said:

206Michelle said:

He wasn't a hardcore user of painkillers for 20 years. Mayte said incidents involving pills were few and far between during their marriage. Mani said he used painkillers regularly during their marriage, but she didn't describe the usage as hardcore, as far as I know.

I don't believe he was either. I believe he used them when he needed them, but towards the end when his pain became more prevalent, that's when it got out of hand.

I believe the same thing. I think he used the pills out of necessity in order to keep making and performing music. Over time, he became dependent, built up tolerance, and eventually, it appears from these files, he became addicted to the painkillers. He was not going to retire. He basically worked himself to death because music was his work/passion/love, music was his everything.

[Please stay on topic, do not derail the thread with something that has nothing to do with the investigation snip - luv4u]

paulludvig said:

206Michelle said:

He went to Dr. Schulenburg with Kirk a couple of times in the last week of his life. P went to fill additional prescriptions at Walgreens and Kirk also had Dr. S prescribe Prince medicines in Kirk's name. Why would he have obtained additional painkillers if he did not want to go on living?

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He was writing a memoir. He was looking forward to being Uncle Prince to Joshua and Hannah Welton's baby girl. He was going to perform at the brand new US Bank (Vikings) stadium in Minneapolis. Also, even if he was less devout that he had been 10 to 15 years prior, he was still a Jehovah's Witness and suicide was against his faith.

He also seemed depressed, tired, he felt there was no more to do. He was bored with life and just wanted to sleep. Judith Hill described him in a way that prompted the police to ask her about suicide. She answered it was a 50/50 chance. [Edited 4/21/18 17:02pm]

This is on p. 32 of her interview with the police.

PeteSilas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If that was true, it would've been in the reports, wouldn't it?

calm down dude, i didn't say i believed her, we all told her to go to the police and then all her posts dissapeared. i checked out her twitter, she looked like one of those very unbalanced fans to me, the kind prince would choose to stay away from. she actually had posts from her twitter from prince, no one believed her, and without any proof i still don't. haven't seen her in awhile, she's probably banned i dunno.

I am calm

Strive said:

PeteSilas said:

Strive said: I remember Arjuna she said p was a twitter friend and that they spoke of suicide we all though she was a wierdo

I was more implying that KCOOLMUZIQ is either Merone Beruke or somebody who knows Merone.

ok, i wasn't sure what you were saying, thought you may have meant merone was arjun, but arjun and her look totally different. I checked out merone's fb, there is a very touching post to prince a few days after his passing, i doubt anyone really knew about her, i didn't recall her name (prince, forgive me, had so many people who knew him, i'm not even sure if Merone is a name i even heard).

edit: i don't think arjun was the woman i'm thinking of, if not, i can't remember the name but there was a nutty woman right after he died, here, who posted twitter screenshots where prince was saying he had thought of suicide and had it planned to look accidental, however, she truly seemed nuts. wonder where her account is, anyone know.?

also, i don't think kcool is merone, judging by their respective writing styles, kcool is fluent in english, merone is african and though her message is touching, it looks like someone who struggles with english.

[Edited 4/21/18 18:41pm]

[Edited 4/21/18 18:46pm]

I believe they did. They issued a warrant to Google for email records. I don't know if the findings of that warrant are in the investigation docs.

206Michelle said:

XxAxX said:

apologies if this has been posted already:

from Minnesota news KSTP http://kstp.com/news/prin...735/?cat=5

[excerpted] . . .

Files and e-mails from Prince’s computer may have been deleted before investigators took control of it, according to documents released in the case.

Detectives left the computer at Paisley Park for days after clearing the scene.

Buried deep in the documents released by the Carver County Sheriff’s Office on Thursday are allegations of someone connected to Prince destroying files on his computer.

For four days after Prince’s death, investigative documents reveal that the computer next to Prince’s bed sat at Paisley Park available for anyone to use – and perhaps – destroy.

“I think they made a few mistakes,” Joe Daly, Criminal Law Professor at Mitchell Hamline School of Law, said. “Even the investigator in the affidavit admits he probably made a mistake. He wishes he had taken the computer.”

The investigators wrote that he “…regretted not taking the computer by the bedside of Nelson, as I believed that this contained conversations between his staff and Nelson about medications possibly…”

According to the police documents, family members at the time alleged that people close to Prince were “shredding papers” and “deleting files off Prince’s computer.”

A search warrant for one of Prince’s e-mail accounts revealed that “content had been deleted.”

“If they knew they were intentionally impeding an police investigation, that is a crime. You are obstructing justice,” Daly said.

. . .[continued at link]

I mentioned this earlier on this thread about why didn't the Carver Co. Sheriff's Office or the FBI try to obtain the erased emails from Google.

[Edited 4/21/18 18:14pm]

I'm thinking that the bag over Prince's shoulder is the black bag to which Judith refers in her interview.

Source: http://www.justjared.com/...-barts-26/

Prince Performs at Star-Studded New Years Bash

FRI, 01 JANUARY 2016 AT 8:20 AM

Prince wears all black and is joined by his entourage as he gets out of a helicopter on Tuesday afternoon (December 30) in St. Barts.

The 57-year-old musician was arriving on the exclusive island to ring in the New Year with a performance at a star-studded party.

PHOTOS: Check out the latest pics of Prince

The party, hosted by billionaire Roman Abramovitch, is known for its celebrity appearances and extravagant amenities for party guests, including an incredible fireworks display.

[Edited 4/21/18 18:45pm]

206Michelle said:

paulludvig said:

206Michelle said: He also seemed depressed, tired, he felt there was no more to do. He was bored with life and just wanted to sleep. Judith Hill described him in a way that prompted the police to ask her about suicide. She answered it was a 50/50 chance. [Edited 4/21/18 17:02pm]

This is on p. 32 of her interview with the police.

This statement stood out when I was reading the documents...I believe that in essence he did commit suicide, although the authorities can't rule it as such since they don't have a note or something like that...Her responses to the police seemed to be the more credible ones, she didn't seem to hide anything, and she was there with him the week prior to his passing, so if she says it's a 50-50 chance then it's a distinct possibility, and in my opinion it's what happened...

The thing is, based on an objective reading of the investigation docs: the theory that his physical pain was escalating dramatically in his last months isn't really supported in the docs. In his meetings with Dr S, while he mentions physical distress, it's more a tingling and numbness in his legs and arm, and he discussed hand pain with Judith. He apparently never mentioned hip pain specifically to a doctor (the only mention of it was Kirk telling Dr S that hip pain was why Prince needed a Percocet script on April 14).

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But most of what he mentiobed ot medical pros were gastrointestinal-related or things like feeling "antsy." The physical-pain complaints weren't really the top focus, it seems.

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endiadj said:

206Michelle said:

He wasn't a hardcore user of painkillers for 20 years. Mayte said incidents involving pills were few and far between during their marriage. Mani said he used painkillers regularly during their marriage, but she didn't describe the usage as hardcore, as far as I know.

I don't believe he was either. I believe he used them when he needed them, but towards the end when his pain became more prevalent, that's when it got out of hand.

Strive said:

PeteSilas said:

Strive said: I remember Arjuna she said p was a twitter friend and that they spoke of suicide we all though she was a wierdo

I was more implying that KCOOLMUZIQ is either Merone Beruke or somebody who knows Merone.

NO. KCool is a regular orger. Not from the Prince camp or any relation or connection to Prince in any way shape or form.

Arjuna is not reliable.

The detective told Judith he woudn't ask about spiritual and other stuff. Does anyone know what that meant? Not sure which page it was, I used up all my Tribune freebees.

What Prince told her he experienced when he was unresponsive on the plane was wild. Then he thought he would wake up on his own if they didn't do anything, that's terrifying.

PeteSilas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If that was true, it would've been in the reports, wouldn't it?

calm down dude, i didn't say i believed her, we all told her to go to the police and then all her posts dissapeared. i checked out her twitter, she looked like one of those very unbalanced fans to me, the kind prince would choose to stay away from. she actually had posts from her twitter from prince, no one believed her, and without any proof i still don't. haven't seen her in awhile, she's probably banned i dunno.

Is her twitter still live?

I took that to mean that he wanted to just focus on the facts and steer her away from talking about other stuff.

poppys said:

The detective told Judith he woudn't ask about spiritual and other stuff. Does anyone know what that meant? Not sure which page it was, I used up all my Tribune freebees.

What Prince told her he experienced when he was unresponsive on the plane was wild. Then he thought he would wake up on his own if they didn't do anything, that's terrifying.

poppys said:

The detective told Judith he woudn't ask about spiritual and other stuff. Does anyone know what that meant? Not sure which page it was, I used up all my Tribune freebees.

What Prince told her he experienced when he was unresponsive on the plane was wild. Then he thought he would wake up on his own if they didn't do anything, that's terrifying.

There was a detailed interview with Judith in either the NY Times or a national magazine, I forget, in which she described this in more detail. Like in the police interview, she said he told her afterwards that he could feel himself leaving his body, and it was the hardest thing he had ever done to get back into his own body. She offers more details - my impression of reading her police interview is that they didn't necessarily want to probe into a personal conversation if it was about religion, but were concerned with factual details about what had happened on the plane.

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

camilleisfunky said:

206Michelle said:

This is on p. 32 of her interview with the police.

This statement stood out when I was reading the documents...I believe that in essence he did commit suicide, although the authorities can't rule it as such since they don't have a note or something like that...Her responses to the police seemed to be the more credible ones, she didn't seem to hide anything, and she was there with him the week prior to his passing, so if she says it's a 50-50 chance then it's a distinct possibility, and in my opinion it's what happened...

It's not out of the question, but until there is definitive evidence to show that he killed himself, I will have to believe the conclusion of the investigation.

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I greatly respect Judith for being forthright with the investigators. I cannot imagine how traumatic the mid-air/Moline incident was for her, plus then she was probably re-living it during the interview. My impression is that she spent more time with him in that last week than anyone else. I think it's interesting that Judith says in the interview that she basically spent 2 weeks per month in Minnesota and 2 weeks per month in LA, and that this pattern had been ongoing for about 2 years. She also stated that the drug use was news to her and she didn't know about it until P passed out mid-air on the flight from Atlanta.

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In the interview, the interviewers don't really pry into more personal aspects of she and Prince's relationship. I would be curious about what the nature of their relationship was, like were they in a serious romantic committed relationship, and did he see a future with her or did she see a future with him, particularly in light of there being a 30+ year age difference and his health issues. Or was she one of a group of different women/girlfriends that he was seeing near the end of his life and did he just wanted her to come with him to Atlanta in order to keep him company?

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On p. 35 of the interview, When they got back from Moline to PP, she says that they left the airport together in the same car, but she went to her hotel room, then met him at PP. So she wasn't staying with him.

[Edited 4/21/18 19:07pm]

disch said:

I took that to mean that he wanted to just focus on the facts and steer her away from talking about other stuff.

poppys said:

The detective told Judith he woudn't ask about spiritual and other stuff. Does anyone know what that meant? Not sure which page it was, I used up all my Tribune freebees.

What Prince told her he experienced when he was unresponsive on the plane was wild. Then he thought he would wake up on his own if they didn't do anything, that's terrifying.

Hmm, like what other stuff? She didn't seem like she was speaking unless asked.

Edit - Thanks endorphin, yeah there were some awkward parts that were a little hard to follow - what the detectives were trying to get at.

[Edited 4/21/18 19:11pm]

yeah the investigator reports said that they were noting the enemas because constipation is a side-effect of opioid use

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

EnDoRpHn said:

disch said:

yeah the investigator reports said that they were noting the enemas because constipation is a side-effect of opioid use

PennyPurple said:

Did anyone pick up on the fact they found a lot of enemas in his bathroom that were used? I bet the codene was binding him up.

Wow, one helluva nightmarish hell he was going through