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Reply #510 posted 04/21/18 1:25pm

pinkeekeen

Trying to find some humor in this sad situation but also wtf and why, did anyone see where they said they spoke with 2 psychics? lol
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Reply #511 posted 04/21/18 1:26pm

206Michelle

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



206Michelle said:


PeteSilas said:


ya, but things going wrong like that are everyday, both my siblings and most of my cousins have some kind of birth defects given alcohol and drug use in my family and it's never stopped or discouraged any of them from doing the same things. Of course that doesn't mean Prince wasn't scarred by Amir's death, we don't know. everyone is different, i watched a woman go through a miscarriage and it was like nothing even happened to her, at least on the surface. Also, didn't prince talk of children with other people? Morris Hayes mentioned him wanting to leave the second half of PR to his kids and he alluded to having kids with Mani, maybe he was impotent.



Where does Morris Hayes mention that?



It's in a interview Morris did after P passed. He said P told him he had songs better than PR and when Morris asked him why he didnt release them he said he was saving them for his children's inheritance. Then Morris said "you dont have children." I dont think Morris mentioned what he said after that.


Interesting
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Reply #512 posted 04/21/18 1:29pm

disch

I get it, I just don't see the connection to Prince's death, because whatever their intent or thoughts or whatever were, was complely irrelevant to Prince's death. My interest is really in Prince's life and death and the people and actiond that contributed to his death; whatever Andrew and his dad's process was does not contribute in any way to my understanding of Prince's death.

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cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

In the police documents, the police confirmed that Andrew's plane touched down in Minneapolis at 5:55am on April 21. Whatever kind of person he or his dad may be and whatever their medical philosophy, the reality is Prince was dead by 5:55am. Andrew or his dad had nothing to do with Prince taking those last fentanyl-laced pills.

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You seem to be missing the point I am trying to make here. I'm talking about their actions (intent) leading up to finding Prince in the elevator, not the time when Andrew arrived. I know they aren't responsible for Prince's death, because they weren't there.

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I have read Andrew's interview with the detectives and a lot of what he said does not make sense. Even the detective indicated the same, and he questioned why Andrew was carrying those drugs and if he could not administer them, then what would be the point in having them? I shouldn't have to explain this.

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Reply #513 posted 04/21/18 1:38pm

kmama07

pinkeekeen said:

Trying to find some humor in this sad situation but also wtf and why, did anyone see where they said they spoke with 2 psychics? lol

"They" meaning investigators?
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Reply #514 posted 04/21/18 1:41pm

PeteSilas

pinkeekeen said:

Trying to find some humor in this sad situation but also wtf and why, did anyone see where they said they spoke with 2 psychics? lol

not yet, i haven't looked at the complete files yet. i will when i have the time.

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Reply #515 posted 04/21/18 1:48pm

EnDoRpHn

I finally finished downloading file 5 this morning, and it includes a redacted telephone log.

I'm not entirely sure how to read this, since the numbers are obscured (making it ambiguous who was calling or being called), but this says that on April 21, 2016, calls were placed to/from Andrew Kornfeld at 6:22am and 7:42am, and that someone either called Phaedra (or Phaedra called someone) around 7:04am. Two calls were placed from/to Prince's bedroom at 7:49 and 7:51am.

Didn't all the 2016 reporting indicate that Kornfeld arrived after 9am, and it was only then that "staff" tried to reach/wake Prince? The 911 calls were around 10am, so why the activity two hours earlier?

Again, I can't tell whose phones these are based on, but I would assume the one descriptive column describes the relevant end of the call.

Apologies if this has been discussed, I haven't had time to do anything other than skim this thread. If someone can orgnote me, I can pass along the image file (I don't have a hosting site).

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Reply #516 posted 04/21/18 1:48pm

poppys

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, it definitely don't sound to me like he wanted to live if he took the same thing he took the week before. Prince was a very intelligent guy, no matter how hooked he was, i couldn't see it just totally taking away his own unique self-reflection, honesty and heart, just can't see it. I still think suicide is a very real conclusion. At any rate, the investigation have given us enough to run around in circles for at least another 2 years. good job fuckers.



Diversion. This ^^^^^^^ exactly.

Pete nailed it. falloff

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Reply #517 posted 04/21/18 1:48pm

EnDoRpHn

PeteSilas said:

pinkeekeen said:

Trying to find some humor in this sad situation but also wtf and why, did anyone see where they said they spoke with 2 psychics? lol

not yet, i haven't looked at the complete files yet. i will when i have the time.

My impression in seeing that was that the psychics contacted the police.

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Reply #518 posted 04/21/18 1:52pm

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Here are the original documents on the NYT site - 214 pages of it! Worth a look so we can cut through the misreports and read for ourselves! Still can't believe how this was released so soon, and how this squares with confidentiality rules for the interviewees?! There's going to be a bit of shit storm when those present read what others have said about them to the police! https://www.nytimes.com/i...iles1.html
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Reply #519 posted 04/21/18 1:56pm

206Michelle

Strawberrylova123 said:


JH:

.. and he and they said one person can sit um in the, next to the bed and one person can
sit in the front and I decided I would sit in the front..
CN:

Okay.

JH:

.. it was so traumatic for me to see this whole thing.

CN:

Yeah.

JH:
So um you know, they, they proceeded and they asked like did he take anything and
then Kirk said Percocet and so the guys were like well we're, we're guessing he took ah more
than one, I think they said something like that.
·
CN:

Okay.

JH:
And they're like we think, we think, we think we know what we need to do here and then
they, they gave him something and then they were like okay there we go, there we go and I was
like what's happening, it's like that's what we thought and then I was like okay and then I get up
into the front and we start driving and they're
they keep telling Prince like ..

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CN:

Okay so that's, so you were in the back initially, this is taking place ..

JH:

Oh no, this .. this was like ah when we were all standing around ..

CN:

Yep.

JH:

.. ah before we had tooken our actual seats ..

CN:

Yep .

JH:

.. they, they, they um hit him with the thing ..

CN:

Yep .

JH:

..and they were like ..

CN:

Is this in the back of the, the ambulance?

JH:

Yeah.

CN:

Okay.

\.

JH:
I'm kind of still..Kirk and I and everybody's kind of just standing, we're all standing in the
back of the ambulance ..
CN:

Yeah.

JH:
.. it hadn't moved yet and he was just in the bed and they hit him with the thing and then,
then, then we got situated and Kirk decided to sit back there and I decided to sit in the front and
then the vehicle started moving and ah ..
ICR# 16012559
Statement Judith Glory Hill, DOB:.



CN:


Okay.

JH:
.. they were talking and they were like telling Prince you gotta cooperate with us, we're
going to try and get you back and they um you know, and then his body started convulsing like
rapidly and I was like what is going on, they're like it's looking like it's wearing off, we got to hit
him again and they hit him again and then these .. the guys like hey, can .. can we stop the
vehicle, we need to take a picture of his heart and all this is going on and I'm just like oh my
god, so finally like you know, they hit him again and it's just a lot of chatter and then um finally
we get to the ambulance and we pull in and or to the emergency room um and we pull in um
and um then they open the, the doors and I get out of my seat and I open the .. and they, they
pull him out and I, and I see him and he's like looking around and I was like oh my god, thank
you, he's alive like so whatever they did worked. I was like so .. / really thought he was dead, I
was like I don't know if he's going to make ii but he got through that and I was so thankful.
CN:
Okay um let me take you back a little bit, when, when the ambulance crew asked what
he took and Kirk said Percocet..
JH:

Uh-huh.

CN:
.. did he say anything, anything else about that. What exactly did you hear the
conversation from Kirk about, about what he took.

\'

JH:

He just said Percocet.

CN:

Okay.

JH:

That was it.

CN:

Did they ask him how many? Did Kirk have a response?

JH:
No, I don't think so, I don't remember correctly, I'm not 100% but I don't think he said he
took two or three or what.I don't think he gave a number..
CN:

Okay.

JH:

.. they were the ones that were like no offense guys, but we think he's like taken ..

CN:

Yep.

JH:

.. several or something like that's what they were saying lo us.

CN:

Okay and did Kirk have a response to that?

JH:
No ii was just, we were all just like yeah, ii was a lot going on but that was, that was the
end of that conversation.

{

CN:

Okay um ..

Unk:

Just to ask, was this all news to you that he was taking Percocet?
ICR# 160
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255.
Statement Judith Glory Hill, DOB:

MM
Page 22


So Kirk was asleep when, per Judith, Prince was digging through his black bag for the cough drops and, I infer, the pills. But then later, Kirk tells the paramedics that Prince took Percocet. So then, Kirk would have had to know that Prince was using Percocet since he didn’t observe him ingest the pills on the plane, right?
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Reply #520 posted 04/21/18 2:11pm

poppys

[Edited 4/21/18 16:30pm]

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Reply #521 posted 04/21/18 2:12pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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206Michelle said:

 
So Kirk was asleep when, per Judith, Prince was digging through his black bag for the cough drops and, I infer, the pills. But then later, Kirk tells the paramedics that Prince took Percocet. So then, Kirk would have had to know that Prince was using Percocet since he didn’t observe him ingest the pills on the plane, right? [Edited 4/21/18 13:59pm]

Kirk knew P had Perc's because they came from Dr. S.

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Reply #522 posted 04/21/18 2:19pm

purplerabbitho
le

My understanding is that they tried to call him earlier in the morning and he didn't react. The last call was at 7:42. Maybe, in that hour between 8 and 9, Andrew maybe was getting out of bed, taking a shower etc, and they were picking up Andrew. There is definitely a bit of mystery here.

EnDoRpHn said:

I finally finished downloading file 5 this morning, and it includes a redacted telephone log.

I'm not entirely sure how to read this, since the numbers are obscured (making it ambiguous who was calling or being called), but this says that on April 21, 2016, calls were placed to/from Andrew Kornfeld at 6:22am and 7:42am, and that someone either called Phaedra (or Phaedra called someone) around 7:04am. Two calls were placed from/to Prince's bedroom at 7:49 and 7:51am.

Didn't all the 2016 reporting indicate that Kornfeld arrived after 9am, and it was only then that "staff" tried to reach/wake Prince? The 911 calls were around 10am, so why the activity two hours earlier?

Again, I can't tell whose phones these are based on, but I would assume the one descriptive column describes the relevant end of the call.

Apologies if this has been discussed, I haven't had time to do anything other than skim this thread. If someone can orgnote me, I can pass along the image file (I don't have a hosting site).

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Reply #523 posted 04/21/18 2:21pm

purplerabbitho
le

After Michael Jackson's death and the jail-time that his doctor later got, maybe Dr. FeelGood doctors were running for the hills. I think Kirk probably sugar-coated his past but it is possible he didn't realize that the illness he was seeing was not just P overworking/flu/back-problems because Kirk was so used to assistants going through doctors in the past and that wasn't something he was witnessing anymore. I just don't see Kirk getting him pills on a regular basis because the ones he did acquire from shulbarg were low in number and relatively mild. kirk went a more legitimate means (mostly), left a paper trail, and the drugs were more mild. Prince may have given it a shot but they were not working for him at all so he pulled out another stash he had been using. i think it was either assistants from the past or present or someone he knew and called on his land-line phone who were buying them via darkweb. I doubt Kirk is a big computer guy. The bigger problem is why he was left alone. But apparently his assitant was in the building until 10:30 or 11:30. So maybe since from a distance he seemed fine, she just left.

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Reply #524 posted 04/21/18 2:26pm

Thizz

Is it not strange that the deaths of Michael Jackson, Prince and Tupac's mother all led to the music industry gaining control of their catalogs?

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Reply #525 posted 04/21/18 2:30pm

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Thizz said:

Is it not strange that the deaths of Michael Jackson, Prince and Tupac's mother all led to the music industry gaining control of their catalogs?


Pleas stop that nonesense! The Investigation is done! They said it was an accident, period!
"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."

Poppys, Shanon319, Number23, Kares. #lifttheban
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Reply #526 posted 04/21/18 2:33pm

jjam

It's up to the Estates of those artists, not the music industry. Jesus...

Very sad to read of his hands being in pain after the piano shows. But then Prince would be dead inside if he couldn't perform...

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Reply #527 posted 04/21/18 2:37pm

disch

The police report said that Andrew, Kirk and Meron had breakfast together that morning prior to getting to Paisley.

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Andrew never went to bed per the report. His plane landed at 5:53am and he went straight to meet up with Kirk and Meron.

purplerabbithole said:

My understanding is that they tried to call him earlier in the morning and he didn't react. The last call was at 7:42. Maybe, in that hour between 8 and 9, Andrew maybe was getting out of bed, taking a shower etc, and they were picking up Andrew. There is definitely a bit of mystery here.

EnDoRpHn said:

I finally finished downloading file 5 this morning, and it includes a redacted telephone log.

I'm not entirely sure how to read this, since the numbers are obscured (making it ambiguous who was calling or being called), but this says that on April 21, 2016, calls were placed to/from Andrew Kornfeld at 6:22am and 7:42am, and that someone either called Phaedra (or Phaedra called someone) around 7:04am. Two calls were placed from/to Prince's bedroom at 7:49 and 7:51am.

Didn't all the 2016 reporting indicate that Kornfeld arrived after 9am, and it was only then that "staff" tried to reach/wake Prince? The 911 calls were around 10am, so why the activity two hours earlier?

Again, I can't tell whose phones these are based on, but I would assume the one descriptive column describes the relevant end of the call.

Apologies if this has been discussed, I haven't had time to do anything other than skim this thread. If someone can orgnote me, I can pass along the image file (I don't have a hosting site).

[Edited 4/21/18 14:43pm]

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Reply #528 posted 04/21/18 2:41pm

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Carver County has added new links to download the zips.

Censorship is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it or how noble their motivation.
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Reply #529 posted 04/21/18 2:44pm

anangellooksdo
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cloveringold85 said:



Lovejunky said:




pld71 said:


I saw the pic of the white powder on the desk and the bent spoon.


Any indication of what exactly that was?



a Replica of some Art WOrk in Minni




IMG_0056.JPG




Obviously some one was playing around funny buggers the white stuff is meant to be snow


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White stuff is supposed to be "snow"?? Ummm, I don't think so! You can see it's splattered everywhere, including the expensive camera sitting there. I find it to be very disturbing.





Could be something that fell from the ceiling, like parts of the ceiling. There was, after all, water damage visible in that vault.
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Reply #530 posted 04/21/18 2:56pm

purplerabbitho
le

It looks like sensory sand or kinetic sand that maybe he got wet. The camera is sitting next to it correct? Maybe he was staging a picture he was going to take. The cops probably photographed it because they did not know what it was at first. Then figured out later.

anangellooksdown said:

cloveringold85 said:

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White stuff is supposed to be "snow"?? Ummm, I don't think so! You can see it's splattered everywhere, including the expensive camera sitting there. I find it to be very disturbing.

Could be something that fell from the ceiling, like parts of the ceiling. There was, after all, water damage visible in that vault.

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Reply #531 posted 04/21/18 3:06pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Carver County has added new links to download the zips.


New links are working and much faster.

Censorship is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it or how noble their motivation.
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Reply #532 posted 04/21/18 3:23pm

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80tomato said:

And here's another, with a humidifier to the side, that I found in another article just before seeing your link:
The Green room Judith told the detective was Princes bedroom??


Yes, this was Prince's bedroom that he used every day per Judith and Meron.

As an aside; I always thought Judith seemed like a really sweet girl and her opennes and honesty during the interview with the sheriff raised my opinion even further. I got really REALLY pissed the way some others (like Meron) seemed more concerned about hiding things, even after his death, over getting to the bottom of the truth.

Also, notice the part where Sheila E was actually trying to coach people and seemed to be telling them not to say anything???

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Reply #533 posted 04/21/18 3:26pm

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purplerabbithole said:

My understanding is that they tried to call him earlier in the morning and he didn't react. The last call was at 7:42. Maybe, in that hour between 8 and 9, Andrew maybe was getting out of bed, taking a shower etc, and they were picking up Andrew. There is definitely a bit of mystery here.

EnDoRpHn said:

I finally finished downloading file 5 this morning, and it includes a redacted telephone log.

I'm not entirely sure how to read this, since the numbers are obscured (making it ambiguous who was calling or being called), but this says that on April 21, 2016, calls were placed to/from Andrew Kornfeld at 6:22am and 7:42am, and that someone either called Phaedra (or Phaedra called someone) around 7:04am. Two calls were placed from/to Prince's bedroom at 7:49 and 7:51am.

Didn't all the 2016 reporting indicate that Kornfeld arrived after 9am, and it was only then that "staff" tried to reach/wake Prince? The 911 calls were around 10am, so why the activity two hours earlier?

Again, I can't tell whose phones these are based on, but I would assume the one descriptive column describes the relevant end of the call.

Apologies if this has been discussed, I haven't had time to do anything other than skim this thread. If someone can orgnote me, I can pass along the image file (I don't have a hosting site).


In the hour just before they went to PP, Andrew, Kirk, and Meron stopped to have breakfast if I recall correctly. Originaly Kirk was waiting until he heard from Prince before they went over and Andrew seemed to press them to check on him. In fact, I think Andrew stated he wanted to go see Prince as soon as he got off the plane and Kirk suggested he go to hotel first... It still would have been too late to save Prince but it kills me they were just hours from pulling him back from the edge.

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Reply #534 posted 04/21/18 3:58pm

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206Michelle said:

XxAxX said:

thank you! i just finished reading the Minneapolis Star Truibune's lengthy article about how Prince's drug use was an "open secret" to people who worked for him. such a tragedy

Do you have a link XxAxX?



the article is in the paper printed version of today's paper.

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Reply #535 posted 04/21/18 4:10pm

206Michelle

jjam said:

It's up to the Estates of those artists, not the music industry. Jesus...

Very sad to read of his hands being in pain after the piano shows. But then Prince would be dead inside if he couldn't perform...

yes exactly...He lived to perform.

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Reply #536 posted 04/21/18 4:14pm

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paisleylove said:

PeteSilas said:

i wonder what made it so hard for him to concieve a child? He had enough women.

I have often wondered why he and Mayte or Manuella didn't adopt? He had such compassion and concern toward children. We are hearing wonderful stories of how he was very giving and always doing for those less fortunate. There are certainly many children who need loving homes, and he would have been a good dad to one (or several) of them.

Answer is simple. As prolific as he was, he possibly realized that no matter what, he would never have (or make enough) time for that.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #537 posted 04/21/18 4:20pm

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Vannormal said:

Answer is simple. As prolific as he was, he possibly realized that no matter what, he would never have (or make enough) time for that.


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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #538 posted 04/21/18 4:25pm

paulludvig

Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #539 posted 04/21/18 4:27pm

206Michelle

paulludvig said:

Why can't we talk about the possibility that Prince commited suicide?

As Attorney Mark Metz stated, all of the evidence points toward his death being an accidental overdose.

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