LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

They seems to be discussing 2 separate issues, as the DA said the documents were released to asses a possible civil case in Illinois, but also states criminal charges would be coming soon. very juicy...

Typical response. Nothing juicy.

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Oh, and TMZ knew Prince was dead before anyone else! Check out the time it was published......

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...ead-at-57/

This is the most disturbing and creepy considering he was not declared deceased until 10.07

Sheriiff recieves a the call at 9.43

TMZ Reports his Death at 9.49 ???

WTF....

But it says 9:49 PDT, meaning Pacific Daylight Time, which would be 11:49 Central Time.

[Edited 3/28/18 21:51pm]

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

This is the most disturbing and creepy considering he was not declared deceased until 10.07

Sheriiff recieves a the call at 9.43

TMZ Reports his Death at 9.49 ???

WTF....

But it says 9:49 PDT, meaning Pacific Daylight Time, which would be 11:49 Central Time.

[Edited 3/28/18 21:51pm]

Phew...

Im in Australia...

PennyPurple said:

From the Star Tribune today.

snip..

Prince was returning to the Twin Cities on a private plane from Atlanta when he fell ill and passed out. Search warrant affidavits unsealed in April 2017 said staff member and longtime friend Kirk Johnson told doctors in Moline that Prince may have taken Percocet.

Prince was documented as suffering from an opioid overdose, but the musician refused treatment at the hospital. Later, at a meeting back in the Twin Cities with medical professionals "to assess and address" health concerns, Prince admitted to taking one or two "pain pills" that night.

When the documents were unsealed, F. Clayton Tyler, Johnson's attorney, issued a statement: "After reviewing the search warrants and affidavits released today, we believe that it is clear that Kirk Johnson did not secure nor supply the drugs which caused Prince's death."

I could lead you to a bunch of people in a few FB groups who are gonna scream that he is lying, they are all lying, the media is lying. And it's all because the Illuminati is making them do it! Oh, and Warner Bros too!

Lovejunky said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Oh, and TMZ knew Prince was dead before anyone else! Check out the time it was published......

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http://www.tmz.com/2016/0...ead-at-57/

This is the most disturbing and creepy considering he was not declared deceased until 10.07

Sheriiff recieves a the call at 9.43

TMZ Reports his Death at 9.49 ???

WTF....

TMZ is in California which is 3 hours behind.

morningsong said:

In my case I quoted the line from the chanhassen villager, because I had not previously seen it reported that law enforcement WILL (as opposed to may) be making criminal charges soon, and I wanted to know if this was a reputable source.

I was particularly curious because hitherto I had wondered whether the heavier burden of proof required for a criminal conviction may have reduced the likelihood of criminal charges being brought.

I don't keep up to speed very well, so if that has been reported long ago and discussed umpteen times already, I am sorry to have brought it up again needlessly. My apologies also if that is rude and offensive to folks. That was not my intention.

May I ask, if these imminent charges are indeed old news, is it already in the public domain whether they relate to the supply of counterfeit meds or purported possible medical negligence.

Rogifan said,


Well, that's a very good question, as nearly 2 years of continued discussion and speculation have passed and I don't feel like there is much clarity, well at least not for me, so maybe a bit of acceptance on my part would be no bad thing indeed.

I don't need to know many of the details and would prefer Prince's privacy to be respected if possible. I dont need to know specifically what ailed Prince latterly.Frankly it's none of my business anyway.

That said, if medical negligence has contributed to Prince's untimely passing, I think whoever may have failed him in their professional duty should be held accountable...likewise for a manufacturer or supplier of these dangerous counterfeit meds. It can't bring him back to us sadly, but at least there would be some small measure of justice, I suppose.

Even after any prospective criminal case and /or civil action, and Tyka clearing up some of our 'misconceptions', I suspect we may possibly have a clearer idea but with many questions unresolved.In a strange way I feel that may be quite apt, since I feel Prince valued his privacy and seemed to enjoy cryptically creating a bit of mystery about him.
[Edited 3/29/18 1:50am]

Nothing surrounding Prince's transition makes sense and no matter how much beloved Prince was by many he was capable of doing things without announcing it to even the people looking eyeball to eyebal with him or people who knew him decades.

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I realize there will always be pain and unspeakable heartache at how he died and him being gone from earth but he was an adult , human being and we humans keep lots to ourselves that no one but ourselves knows- so none of us will ever know what was in his mind. Just he took the pills and was deliberate.

[Edited 3/29/18 9:17am]

cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Don't think like that you're not a fool, you just viewed it differently. I think we all would be shocked.

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Thank you; you are sweet to say that. I just feel like if Prince hid all of this from us, then I will feel like the biggest fool, because I believed in him and trusted him. I was not his friend, nor a close confidant, so, what do I know, right? I'm not denying he had pain and had a dependency on pain pills. I just don't want to believe that he intentionally took those Fentanyl pills--my heart is telling me he didn't. People can say I'm nuts or whatever they want; it doesn't matter. I just want what is right and just, in Prince's name. That's all.

I have always held on to a belief that because of his Privacy and beliefs he never wanted it to be known that he had a problem managing something, that was just him, we all know that PRINCE would never admit to having any form of issues managing, I mean think of when he left WB, he was in a state of chaos getting music out through channels and 1800NEWFUNK think of the mess that was in, think of what happened with the shipping of Crystal Ball? I mean did you ever hear PRINCE say "damn we fucked this up because we really didnt know what we were doing" NO that never happened and I feel that was just who he was, private but also felt he could manage EVERYTHING and we know this is ture. SO i have always felt, that whatever caused his pain, be it jumping off pianos, or some other health breakdown he felt he could manage this himself, and once it became more than he could handle he closed his circle even more. It is important to look at that last tour NOT as "Oh I want to try to go alone totally stripped" but more as "I dont want anyone around that will notice a change in me", so it was limited to what 3 people around him? And even Judith I would say was in the dark too. We may think of PRINCE as having huge circles of "professionals" around him and that may be true when on a tour or playing a show, but when he retreats, I feel that no one was around him, I mean yeah Prince was at a party tonight for a few hours, but what was he doing from when he woke up till he was at that party, we think we know, but honestly I feel that PRINCE was more and more isolated these last few years, and it was on purpose.

luv4u said:

O.k. Call me "typical"...I think the carver county district attorney saying CRIMINAL charges WILL be coming in the near future is very very interesting...

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

We didn't say what you're implying here, we simply said that it's possible that he forgot that he took a pill and then decided to take another, not knowing that it's streetdrugs (because they were mislabled).

Yea, he probably forgot what he took while leaving Atlanta too. Then he remembered and gave an oh so cryptic reassuring quasi-speech about saving prayers. Yep, just totally forgot why he even had to say that too. Lost track of everything, to incude : whatver he took, and wanted to take again, was illicit, oh so suddenly.

We were talking about April 21st. You are free to believe that he commited suicide, it's your theory, but others are free to believe whatever they want, right? The pills he took aren't Aspirin, they were very strong and it's possible that he just forgot when or that he took a dose, there's nothing unusual about it, it happens to the best of us. A simple mistake.

purplegirl00 said:

XxAxX said:

and *i* feel that he was using street drugs to manage his pain problems, was somehow provided with tainted street drugs containing absurd amounts of fentanyl, and accidentally overdosed when he was simply trying to manage his pain.

i guess either scenario is equally plausible at this point, however in my opinion the fact that he was actively working on new projects, recruiting new members for his band , working on his autobiography and seemed excited for the future prevents me from thinking he committed suicide.

NOT to mention suicide was entirely against his faith

Your theory is completely plausible. I also think he may have been managing physical pain too through self medicating.

For nearly two years I worked in a doctor's office and the greatest shock to me was the amount of people on controlled substances to manage chronic pain. It's truly astounding.

Not only do I think Prince was one of those people dealing with chronic pain due to many years of giving his body hell in grueling performances, but I also believe he was dealing with some personal crisis or so series of crises. He was so protective of his private life, we would not have been privvy to what was really going on. His appearance was gaunt starting in Fall of 2015 and he was very emotional during the PP Gala in January 2016. If anyone goes back and looks at concert footage and pics of the last few months, even year before he passed, he was not his happy, energetic self. Something was going on and I think Prince was depressed not knowing what to do. He may have had plans for the future like you listed up above, but in despair, he may not have been able to see what was in front of him. Same thing with his faith- he may have even felt like the afterworld was better for him than being here. Here is a NY Times article from May 2016 that says people close to Prince thought he was depressed and felt irrelevant professionally. https://www.nytimes.com/2....html?_r=0

nope. he did not kill himself, after dressing in inside-out backward clothing, and making sure he would be found face-down in an elevator. this is not how prince lived, and is not how he would have died.

It has been expressed many times in various threads about the death investigation that the investigation seems to be too lengthy.

I am not surprised by the amount of time this investigation has taken. I am listing the link below to the DEA site as well as the DEA executive summary that explains there are many producers of illicit pills.

I don't expect the US attorney to file charges. I also won't be surprised if they let the case remain open which would mean the investigative files will remain closed to the public.

https://www.dea.gov/docs/Counterfeit%20Prescription%20Pills.pdf

"Hundreds of thousands of counterfeit prescription pills, some containing deadly amounts of fentanyls have been introduced into U.S. drug markets, exacerbating the fentanyl and opioid crisis. The sudden arrival of wholesale amounts of counterfeit prescription drugs containing fentanyls will result in an increase in overdoses, deaths, and opiate-dependent individuals. Motivated by enormous profit potential, traffickers exploit high consumer demand for prescription medications by producing inexpensive, fraudulent prescription pills containing fentanyls. The equipment and materials necessary to produce these counterfeit drugs are widely available online for a small initial investment, greatly reducing the barrier of entry into production for small-scale drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) and individual players. In addition, small-scale fentanyl production laboratories have been identified in the United States and Canada, and fentanyl production and milling laboratories are believed to be operating in Mexico, indicating a vast expansion of the traditional illicit fentanyl market."

the Level of drugs in his system couldn’t been self giving, especially after Moline. You is benifiting from his death? Was Prince about to clean house and someone or more likely multiple someone’s close to him tampered with his pills and patches or found him passed out and made sure he wouldn’t recover?
A dozen possible scenarios. I don’t think we will ever know for sure.

leec1 said:

It has been expressed many times in various threads about the death investigation that the investigation seems to be too lengthy.

I am not surprised by the amount of time this investigation has taken. I am listing the link below to the DEA site as well as the DEA executive summary that explains there are many producers of illicit pills.

I don't expect the US attorney to file charges. I also won't be surprised if they let the case remain open which would mean the investigative files will remain closed to the public.

Agree with what you've said here.

littlemissG said:

the Level of drugs in his system couldn’t been self giving, especially after Moline. You is benifiting from his death? Was Prince about to clean house and someone or more likely multiple someone’s close to him tampered with his pills and patches or found him passed out and made sure he wouldn’t recover? A dozen possible scenarios. I don’t think we will ever know for sure.

He took the pill(s) himself. Do you think someone held him down and forced a pill down his throat?

There were NO patches.

The fentanyl laced pills more then likely came from the streets. They were hidden in Aleve and Aspirin bottles. Probably because when someone packed for him, they didn't think anything of it, because of the bottles.

My guess is he wasn't a fentanyl user and had no idea these pills were laced with fentanyl. Codene user...yes. Fentanyl user....NO.

GrayDorian said:

Here’s the thing...are there any new questions being asked or new answers being provided? I’m not often in these threads (or anywhere else on the internet where this is being discussed) but my guess is no. Maybe weirder conspiracy theories get thrown about but my guess is it’s the same stuff being rehashed ad nauseum. I’ve long ago resigned myself to the fact that the family is not going to provide what some people feel they need to get closure. But I’m also someone who doesn’t need to know the “why” in order to get closure. I guess for some until they know why they never will.

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[Edited 3/29/18 8:29am]

Vashtix said:

where are you getting that from outside of your own imagination?




The same articles that "leaked" months ago with the high levels in his system also said the pills themselves were tested and had high levels of fentanyl that's where most of us are getting it may have been only one or 2 pills. One would assume the ME might have some clue if he took a lot of pills they all wouldn't be digested. And people all over the country are dying from these counterfeit pills, which are also tested for fentanyl.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

That's a misquote. If you read the Chanhassen newspaper report, it says police will file charges.
That's not how it works.
The DA, Metz, is the one to do that and he has made no such announcement.
It was sloppy reporting in the little throwaway rag.

For various reasons, I believe the announcement (whatever) will come on a Friday.

littlemissG said:

Why could the levels not be self-giving?

Lovejunky said:

You don't have time zones in Australia?
Minnesota and California are obviously far apart.
😎

rogifan said:

GrayDorian said:

Rogifan said, Well, that's a very good question, as nearly 2 years of continued discussion and speculation have passed and I don't feel like there is much clarity, well at least not for me, so maybe a bit of acceptance on my part would be no bad thing indeed. I don't need to know many of the details and would prefer Prince's privacy to be respected if possible. I dont need to know specifically what ailed Prince latterly.Frankly it's none of my business anyway. That said, if medical negligence has contributed to Prince's untimely passing, I think whoever may have failed him in their professional duty should be held accountable...likewise for a manufacturer or supplier of these dangerous counterfeit meds. It can't bring him back to us sadly, but at least there would be some small measure of justice, I suppose. Even after any prospective criminal case and /or civil action, and Tyka clearing up some of our 'misconceptions', I suspect we may possibly have a clearer idea but with many questions unresolved.In a strange way I feel that may be quite apt, since I feel Prince valued his privacy and seemed to enjoy cryptically creating a bit of mystery about him. [Edited 3/29/18 1:50am]

Here’s the thing...are there any new questions being asked or new answers being provided? I’m not often in these threads (or anywhere else on the internet where this is being discussed) but my guess is no. Maybe weirder conspiracy theories get thrown about but my guess is it’s the same stuff being rehashed ad nauseum. I’ve long ago resigned myself to the fact that the family is not going to provide what some people feel they need to get closure. But I’m also someone who doesn’t need to know the “why” in order to get closure. I guess for some until they know why they never will.

I have to agree and I said this in the months after he died that WHY is really not relevant at the end of the day. I think the people that know are the ones he wanted to know what was up. We can all speculate on what happened that last day, why was he alone, did someone switch his pills on purpose, the overall fact was that Prince was in fact addicted and how he got addicted or why he was using so much is what we all cant and will never know. Even if tomorrow someone says Prince killed himself do we really think we are still not going to question that? If they say it was this or that we are always going to question, there will be no closure for those who still seek it. My closure was the day he died, that was it, he is gone and that is part of the journey we are on, there is nothing to close, it is CLOSED.

It is my understanding that Prince overdosed on oxycodone after the Atlanta show. This was from the prescription written under Kirk's name by Dr. S

After receiving Narcan x 2, he was put into inevitable withdrawals. It was reported that throughout the week he was increasingly agitated and had not slept for many days. My impression is that he was dealing with severe withdrawals, fatigue and likely an underlying medical condition. He likely just wanted some relief. I have no opinion as whether this was a suicide attempt though he was image-conscious and fastidious and would not likely not have chosen to have pills "out in the open"

Regarding the elevator: I have read that the ambulance was called quite some time after he was found dead.In the meantime his friends may have dressed him hastily to provide him some dignity.

lastdecember said:

I agree with this. Also he had a lot of younger people around him who wouldn't necessarily question him if something seemed off or wrong. Also some of these folks may not have known what he was like say 10 years ago and wouldn't notice a difference

peggyon said:

It is my understanding that Prince overdosed on oxycodone after the Atlanta show. This was from the prescription written under Kirk's name by Dr. S

After receiving Narcan x 2, he was put into inevitable withdrawals. It was reported that throughout the week he was increasingly agitated and had not slept for many days. My impression is that he was dealing with severe withdrawals, fatigue and likely an underlying medical condition. He likely just wanted some relief. I have no opinion as whether this was a suicide attempt though he was image-conscious and fastidious and would not likely not have chosen to have pills "out in the open"

Regarding the elevator: I have read that the ambulance was called quite some time after he was found dead.In the meantime his friends may have dressed him hastily to provide him some dignity.

U CAN NOT dress a person "hastily" that has been deceased for over 6 hours after Rigor mortis sets in.

GrayDorian said:

morningsong said:

Why are people posting excerpts of the same article over and over again I get that it might be in different publications but it's the exact same article saying the exact same thing. Is this to let everybody know you don't read anybody elses post? Kinda rude in a discussion.

In my case I quoted the line from the chanhassen villager, because I had not previously seen it reported that law enforcement WILL (as opposed to may) be making criminal charges soon, and I wanted to know if this was a reputable source. I was particularly curious because hitherto I had wondered whether the heavier burden of proof required for a criminal conviction may have reduced the likelihood of criminal charges being brought. I don't keep up to speed very well, so if that has been reported long ago and discussed umpteen times already, I am sorry to have brought it up again needlessly. My apologies also if that is rude and offensive to folks. That was not my intention. May I ask, if these imminent charges are indeed old news, is it already in the public domain whether they relate to the supply of counterfeit meds or purported possible medical negligence.

Honestly I'm not keeping track on who it is, but I know I've read the same sentences over and over again and I'm just curious does someone think people around here missed something crucial because I don't get reposting the exact same words so I thought I'd ask. It's been already in the news months ago that the he had a lot of counterfeit pills in his possession, upwards toward 100. How many were tested laced with fentanyl isn't revealed.

lastdecember said:

I dunno it seems like a lot of people are throwing around “facts” that (at least to me) haven’t been proven to be facts. Lots of specualtion becomes fact. That’s why I usually stay out of these threads. I only jumped into this one to express my displeasure with whoever is leaking stuff. And wondering if we can trust the accuracy of anything that is being leaked.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Yes.
Plus protect privacy from whom? EMTs?

Dr K's son called 911 immediately. Why do people think they'd wait. ..even in the worst circumstance?


"I have read" is how fake new spreads around here.
Without a source, of course.