Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Ha, case in point... Not one of these people on here would have known that Prince was even remotely contemplating ingesting illicit pills had he not been exposed while traveling from Atlanta. Some people are good at hiding it. Others , not so much.

Brilliant, but I have a slight disagreement...a LOT of people both here and in what is termed the 'Prince camp' knew he was dependant on pills...but those closest to him had no leverage to get him into treatment and were, for the most part, praying and hoping he would finally agree to seek help on his own. It's called denial...Prince suffered from it as did his closest associates, IMO.

Let's take your statement as fact for a moment.

People knew he was using Percocet. Johnson was used to keep the public from knowing that Prince was being treated for pain.

Where did the counterfeit Vicodin come from?

If he was Jonesing for drugs he had Percocet around, he had no prescriptions around so he could have gone and requested Vicodin or gotten another associate to get them.

He didn't OD on Fentanyl on the plane.

He didn't have prior Fentanyl use per autopsy .

[Edited 4/1/18 5:47am]

leadline said:

Yet again that person Abigail that you all call crazy is proven correct. She said from day 3 after his passing that he was dosed with liquid fentanyl and lidocaine and that it was very large amounts.

The fact that he had enough fentanyl in his stomach to kill 4000 people his size proves she was correct. It is impossible to take that much in pill form, you would be gone long before you got to that point. Not only were they not pills, but clearly this was no accident, as she stated as well.

I believe they cited a number of 4 that would kill someone, he had a number of 14,000 as a reading in his stomach. This shows it was the first point of entry entry for this cocktail, and also explains why the liver had a number more in line (still very high) that could kill someone, because our dear Prince was long gone before enough of the stuff could be processed by his liver.

[Edited 4/1/18 3:47am]

Sorry, you are wrong. It is possible to get that much Fentanyl in pill form, because it was a street drug that he was taking. It all goes into the way they were cut. They could make a batch of 100 pills and when they put the fentanyl in, the way it's cut could mean that 5 pills could have a huge amount and the rest could have small amounts. No liquid fentanyl was found at PP. Lidocaine is a cheap drug, they use it as filler in the pills.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Forgive me, please. It's just that since Laura ran off with Chazz to prepare for his Prince "tour" ,I haven't been the same since. You wouldn't understand.

oh I've been around enougH to have some idea what's going on. Don't know where LR has disappeared to but I know she'll smack anyone and everyone in defense of Prince. She alright I just duck.

Probably on LSA like all the others who got banned from the org.

PennyPurple said:

leadline said:

Yet again that person Abigail that you all call crazy is proven correct. She said from day 3 after his passing that he was dosed with liquid fentanyl and lidocaine and that it was very large amounts.

The fact that he had enough fentanyl in his stomach to kill 4000 people his size proves she was correct. It is impossible to take that much in pill form, you would be gone long before you got to that point. Not only were they not pills, but clearly this was no accident, as she stated as well.

I believe they cited a number of 4 that would kill someone, he had a number of 14,000 as a reading in his stomach. This shows it was the first point of entry entry for this cocktail, and also explains why the liver had a number more in line (still very high) that could kill someone, because our dear Prince was long gone before enough of the stuff could be processed by his liver.

[Edited 4/1/18 3:47am]

Sorry, you are wrong. It is possible to get that much Fentanyl in pill form, because it was a street drug that he was taking. It all goes into the way they were cut. They could make a batch of 100 pills and when they put the fentanyl in, the way it's cut could mean that 5 pills could have a huge amount and the rest could have small amounts. No liquid fentanyl was found at PP. Lidocaine is a cheap drug, they use it as filler in the pills.

Yes it could have been in that form but my sources tell me there were unprecedented levels in both bottles of pills. Usually you would find that amount in a couple of pills . Not the whole two bottles.

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

Sorry, you are wrong. It is possible to get that much Fentanyl in pill form, because it was a street drug that he was taking. It all goes into the way they were cut. They could make a batch of 100 pills and when they put the fentanyl in, the way it's cut could mean that 5 pills could have a huge amount and the rest could have small amounts. No liquid fentanyl was found at PP. Lidocaine is a cheap drug, they use it as filler in the pills.

Yes it could have been in that form but my sources tell me there were unprecedented levels in both bottles of pills. Usually you would find that amount in a couple of pills . Not the whole two bottles.

which bolsters the theory that his Plan B encompassed obtaining those chemicals himself to have at the ready so he could check out on his own terms and at a time of his choosing to avoid further hip pain, the indignities of ageing, cancer (fill in your preferred type here), the pain of loneliness and possibly perceived artistic decline, and any of the other trials that torment people here on ths mortal coil.

Any theory or supposition must have as a vivid backdrop the fact that for more than four decades

1) he was always known for doing exactly what he wanted to do;

2) for being secretive, controlling, stubborn, opinionated;

3) not trusting others and having a fear of abandonment (in this case, having his life/persona as 'Prince' fade away in ageing and pain);

4)he had enough money and contacts to order whatever he wanted from anywhere in the world;

5) he had a belief in a higher power that would love him, understand why he did what he did and welcome him home.

What happened is not a mystery.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

Yes it could have been in that form but my sources tell me there were unprecedented levels in both bottles of pills. Usually you would find that amount in a couple of pills . Not the whole two bottles.

which bolsters the theory that his Plan B encompassed obtaining those chemicals himself to have at the ready so he could check out on his own terms and at a time of his choosing to avoid further hip pain, the indignities of ageing, cancer (fill in your preferred type here), the pain of loneliness and possibly perceived artistic decline, and any of the other trials that torment people here on ths mortal coil.

Any theory or supposition must have as a vivid backdrop the fact that for more than four decades

1) he was always known for doing exactly what he wanted to do;

2) for being secretive, controlling, stubborn, opinionated;

3) not trusting others and having a fear of abandonment (in this case, having his life/persona as 'Prince' fade away in ageing and pain);

4)he had enough money and contacts to order whatever he wanted from anywhere in the world;

5) he had a belief in a higher power that would love him, understand why he did what he did and welcome him home.

What happened is not a mystery.

He didn't commit suicide .

Bodhitheblackdog said:

muleFunk said:

Yes it could have been in that form but my sources tell me there were unprecedented levels in both bottles of pills. Usually you would find that amount in a couple of pills . Not the whole two bottles.

which bolsters the theory that his Plan B encompassed obtaining those chemicals himself to have at the ready so he could check out on his own terms and at a time of his choosing to avoid further hip pain, the indignities of ageing, cancer (fill in your preferred type here), the pain of loneliness and possibly perceived artistic decline, and any of the other trials that torment people here on ths mortal coil.

Any theory or supposition must have as a vivid backdrop the fact that for more than four decades

1) he was always known for doing exactly what he wanted to do;

2) for being secretive, controlling, stubborn, opinionated;

3) not trusting others and having a fear of abandonment (in this case, having his life/persona as 'Prince' fade away in ageing and pain);

4)he had enough money and contacts to order whatever he wanted from anywhere in the world;

5) he had a belief in a higher power that would love him, understand why he did what he did and welcome him home.

What happened is not a mystery.

Spot on as usual , Bod! . People tend to want to exclude profound and extreme personality traits , environmental factors , and last but not least, reckless abandon for aynthing that resembled death a mere (7) days prior. What more did he need for the light bulb to be turned on? A revelation from on high?

I'm afraid you have some facts wrong, Mulefunk. Specifically: "

He didn't OD on Fentanyl on the plane.

He didn't have prior Fentanyl use per autopsy"

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we don't know what he opioid he ODed on on the plane. Per the 6/8 warrant (cited here many times): "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet." As noted many times, Kirk's statement to the hospital staff was at best speculation ("may have taken..."), not a confirmation. The doctor only documented "opiate." Fentanyl is an opiate, as are many other drugs.

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Regarding prior fentanyl use: The public autopsy summary makes no statment about prior use of any drug. It only states what killed him on 4/21. I think you're confusing it with this 8/22/16 AP article, which states: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn’t a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died."

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We don't know when these fentanyl tests occurred, or what method they used. There aren't really tests that can determine a person's complete history with a specific opioid. The tests can only determine if that opioid is in a person's body. Fentanyl is generally on detectible in the blood for a few days maximum after ingestion.

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I hope in your book, you're meticulous with your facts and are rigorous is citing the specific sources for your info ("my sources say..." is not specific enough). People will naturally be skeptical how an assistant principal from another region of the country, with no connections to Prince's circle, was about to get knowledgable source to supply him with non-public information, so you'll have to work hard to counteract that skepticism, I think.

muleFunk said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Brilliant, but I have a slight disagreement...a LOT of people both here and in what is termed the 'Prince camp' knew he was dependant on pills...but those closest to him had no leverage to get him into treatment and were, for the most part, praying and hoping he would finally agree to seek help on his own. It's called denial...Prince suffered from it as did his closest associates, IMO.

Let's take your statement as fact for a moment.

People knew he was using Percocet. Johnson was used to keep the public from knowing that Prince was being treated for pain.

Where did the counterfeit Vicodin come from?

If he was Jonesing for drugs he had Percocet around, he had no prescriptions around so he could have gone and requested Vicodin or gotten another associate to get them.

He didn't OD on Fentanyl on the plane.

He didn't have prior Fentanyl use per autopsy .

[Edited 4/1/18 5:47am]

[Edited 4/1/18 8:18am]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OperatingThetan said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

which bolsters the theory that his Plan B encompassed obtaining those chemicals himself to have at the ready so he could check out on his own terms and at a time of his choosing to avoid further hip pain, the indignities of ageing, cancer (fill in your preferred type here), the pain of loneliness and possibly perceived artistic decline, and any of the other trials that torment people here on ths mortal coil.

Any theory or supposition must have as a vivid backdrop the fact that for more than four decades

1) he was always known for doing exactly what he wanted to do;

2) for being secretive, controlling, stubborn, opinionated;

3) not trusting others and having a fear of abandonment (in this case, having his life/persona as 'Prince' fade away in ageing and pain);

4)he had enough money and contacts to order whatever he wanted from anywhere in the world;

5) he had a belief in a higher power that would love him, understand why he did what he did and welcome him home.

What happened is not a mystery.

Prince chose to be alone. That does not necessarily suggest loneliness. There was no suggestion of 'artistic decline' at that stage in Prince's career. That may have been credible in the late 90s, but not during the last few years of his life when he was mostly being praised critically and garnering some of the best live reviews of his entire career. Prince's influence and legend was acknowledged and none of Prince's actions suggested he was hungry for a chart hit or was particularly concerned about that aspect of the business. The pills themselves were labelled as hydrocodone and were obtained illegally. Many have died as a result of taking these pills laced with fentanyl and there is no probable method whereby Prince could have ascertained the level of fentanyl present even if he had been aware that the 'hydrocodone' tablets even contained fentanyl, which is conjecture. There's no evidence Prince overdosed on fentanyl at Moline. It's established that he was abusing pain medication, some of which was on prescription. Addiction or dependency of any kind rewires the brain. Many fentanyl abusers overdose on consecutive days and are repeatedly saved by the emergency services. There is no suggestion that these individuals are 'suicidal', they are however, dependent on the drug and neurologically altered by it. Everything about Prince's death, from the location and manner of his discovery to the disarray of his estate and lack of note and will, all testifies to their being no plan at all.

OR proof of your statement (which I agree with) that addiction neurologically alters the brain.

voph said:

leadline said:

Yet again that person Abigail that you all call crazy is proven correct. She said from day 3 after his passing that he was dosed with liquid fentanyl and lidocaine and that it was very large amounts.

The fact that he had enough fentanyl in his stomach to kill 4000 people his size proves she was correct. It is impossible to take that much in pill form, you would be gone long before you got to that point. Not only were they not pills, but clearly this was no accident, as she stated as well.

I believe they cited a number of 4 that would kill someone, he had a number of 14,000 as a reading in his stomach. This shows it was the first point of entry entry for this cocktail, and also explains why the liver had a number more in line (still very high) that could kill someone, because our dear Prince was long gone before enough of the stuff could be processed by his liver.

[Edited 4/1/18 3:47am]

I agree with you. Prince was murdered. Someone in his inner circle sold him out, 2 years after he got the rights to his master recordings. Prince was being poisoned for 2 years and this was all planned out to look like a overdose. Mistakes were made. They thought by cremating his body, they would get away with murder. Charges are coming and for all of you who believe the fake news media who is selling the fake opiate narrative, you are not a real Prince fan. You can’t fool a real Prince fan with this bullshit overdose. Prince said himself if he dies and they try to say it was because of a drug overdose then that means he was murdered. Why is Prince dead after getting the rights to his own music catalog and after doing a agreement with Tidal and the demon Jay Z. Put it together folks. Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure this out. [Edited 4/1/18 4:09am] [Edited 4/1/18 4:11am]

Prince never let anyone get that close to him to be able to poison him.

ThatWhiteDude said:

voph said:

leadline said:

Yet again that person Abigail that you all call crazy is proven correct. She said from day 3 after his passing that he was dosed with liquid fentanyl and lidocaine and that it was very large amounts.

The fact that he had enough fentanyl in his stomach to kill 4000 people his size proves she was correct. It is impossible to take that much in pill form, you would be gone long before you got to that point. Not only were they not pills, but clearly this was no accident, as she stated as well.

I believe they cited a number of 4 that would kill someone, he had a number of 14,000 as a reading in his stomach. This shows it was the first point of entry entry for this cocktail, and also explains why the liver had a number more in line (still very high) that could kill someone, because our dear Prince was long gone before enough of the stuff could be processed by his liver.

[Edited 4/1/18 3:47am]

I agree with you. Prince was murdered. Someone in his inner circle sold him out, 2 years after he got the rights to his master recordings. Prince was being poisoned for 2 years and this was all planned out to look like a overdose. Mistakes were made. They thought by cremating his body, they would get away with murder. Charges are coming and for all of you who believe the fake news media who is selling the fake opiate narrative, you are not a real Prince fan. You can’t fool a real Prince fan with this bullshit overdose. Prince said himself if he dies and they try to say it was because of a drug overdose then that means he was murdered. Why is Prince dead after getting the rights to his own music catalog and after doing a agreement with Tidal and the demon Jay Z. Put it together folks. Doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure this out.

Yes. That is glaringly obvious.

^^ And WHY is it obvious? Why can't people believe that it was an accident? It's like there can only be two options:Murderer or Suicide.

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ And WHY is it obvious? Why can't people believe that it was an accident? It's like there can only be two options:Murderer or Suicide.

No need for the eyeroll. You completely misinterpreted my comment. To spell it out, it was a sarcastic observation on how it obviously didn't take a brain surgeon (or comparative level of intelligence) to 'figure it out'.

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By the way, WHY do some people only think there can be one option - accident? And personally, I think the 'Prince was murdered! Prince was poisoned for TWO YEARS!' conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:39am]

LilaLiebe said:

No need for the eyeroll. You completely misinterpreted my comment. To spell it out, it was a sarcastic observation on how it obviously didn't take a brain surgeon (or comparative level of intelligence) to 'figure it out'.

.

By the way, WHY do some people only think there can be one option - accident? And personally, I think the 'Prince was murdered! Prince was poisoned for TWO YEARS!' conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:39am]

Thank you, completely agree.

I swear that Abigail comes here to post and brings her minions, looking for more sheeple to jump on the crazy bus to DC.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:47am]

LilaLiebe said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ And WHY is it obvious? Why can't people believe that it was an accident? It's like there can only be two options:Murderer or Suicide.

No need for the eyeroll. You completely misinterpreted my comment. To spell it out, it was a sarcastic observation on how it obviously didn't take a brain surgeon (or comparative level of intelligence) to 'figure it out'.

.

By the way, WHY do some people only think there can be one option - accident? And personally, I think the 'Prince was murdered! Prince was poisoned for TWO YEARS!' conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:39am]

I read this bullcrap about murderer so often, that this is my initial reaction tho. While we're at it, what is your theory?

One thing is: there was an official determination by experts who examined all available evidence. It was called the autopsy, and in it the medical examiner determined it was an accident. She could have said "undetermined," "homicide" or "suicide." She could have later changed her report. She did none of the above.

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If you think her conclusion was wrong, then I think you need to explain exactly how and why she screwed it up. I think it's disingenuous just to ignore her analysis like it doesn't exist.

LilaLiebe said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ And WHY is it obvious? Why can't people believe that it was an accident? It's like there can only be two options:Murderer or Suicide.

No need for the eyeroll. You completely misinterpreted my comment. To spell it out, it was a sarcastic observation on how it obviously didn't take a brain surgeon (or comparative level of intelligence) to 'figure it out'.

.

By the way, WHY do some people only think there can be one option - accident? And personally, I think the 'Prince was murdered! Prince was poisoned for TWO YEARS!' conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:39am]

[Edited 4/1/18 9:54am]

disch said:

One thing is: there was an official determination by experts who examined all available evidence. It was called the autopsy, and in it the medical examiner determined it was an accident. She could have said "undetermined," "homicide" or "suicide." She could have later changed her report. She did none of the above.

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If you think her conclusion was wrong, then I think you need to explain exactly how and why she screwed it up. I think it's disingenuous just to ignore her analysis like it doesn't exist.

LilaLiebe said:

No need for the eyeroll. You completely misinterpreted my comment. To spell it out, it was a sarcastic observation on how it obviously didn't take a brain surgeon (or comparative level of intelligence) to 'figure it out'.

.

By the way, WHY do some people only think there can be one option - accident? And personally, I think the 'Prince was murdered! Prince was poisoned for TWO YEARS!' conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:39am]

[Edited 4/1/18 9:54am]

Mumio said:

Thank you, completely agree.

I swear that Abigail comes here to post and brings her minions, looking for more sheeple to jump on the crazy bus to DC.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:47am]

Ha! ::::FULL CHILLS::::: And I completely agree with you re: that nut.

disch said:

I'm afraid you have some facts wrong, Mulefunk. Specifically: "

He didn't OD on Fentanyl on the plane.

He didn't have prior Fentanyl use per autopsy"

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we don't know what he opioid he ODed on on the plane. Per the 6/8 warrant (cited here many times): "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet." As noted many times, Kirk's statement to the hospital staff was at best speculation ("may have taken..."), not a confirmation. The doctor only documented "opiate." Fentanyl is an opiate, as are many other drugs.

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Regarding prior fentanyl use: The public autopsy summary makes no statment about prior use of any drug. It only states what killed him on 4/21. I think you're confusing it with this 8/22/16 AP article, which states: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn’t a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died."

-

We don't know when these fentanyl tests occurred, or what method they used. There aren't really tests that can determine a person's complete history with a specific opioid. The tests can only determine if that opioid is in a person's body. Fentanyl is generally on detectible in the blood for a few days maximum after ingestion.

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I hope in your book, you're meticulous with your facts and are rigorous is citing the specific sources for your info ("my sources say..." is not specific enough). People will naturally be skeptical how an assistant principal from another region of the country, with no connections to Prince's circle, was about to get knowledgable source to supply him with non-public information, so you'll have to work hard to counteract that skepticism, I think.

muleFunk said:

Let's take your statement as fact for a moment.

People knew he was using Percocet. Johnson was used to keep the public from knowing that Prince was being treated for pain.

Where did the counterfeit Vicodin come from?

If he was Jonesing for drugs he had Percocet around, he had no prescriptions around so he could have gone and requested Vicodin or gotten another associate to get them.

He didn't OD on Fentanyl on the plane.

He didn't have prior Fentanyl use per autopsy .

[Edited 4/1/18 5:47am]

ALSO mentioned that the Fentanyl didn't show up on the tests on April 20.

From what we have gathered the OD was from the use of Percocet and from the `words of Judith Hill he was talking to her when he went into a blank stare or as some say a seizure.

I think here in supposition that he had an OD from mixing pain medication and cold medicine.

A hair sample in the post mortem would have determined the long term use of any drug in his system.

As for skeptics if there was no skeptics then why are we here?

[Edited 4/1/18 8:18am]

Again, you need to cite your sources, or it's very hard to give you credibility. I linked to the sources I used in my comment; can you provide similar links, please?

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Specifically you said:

"ALSO mentioned that the Fentanyl didn't show up on the tests on April 20."

question: Where did you find documentation of the results of an April 20 test? AP's 8/22/16 article didn't specify the date that the test occured on.

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"From what we have gathered the OD was from the use of Percocet and from the `words of Judith Hill he was talking to her when he went into a blank stare or as some say a seizure."

question: Who is "we"? What information did "we" gather, beyond what was in the warrant (that Kirk allegedly speculated to the hospital staff that it may have been percocet)?

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"A hair sample in the post mortem would have determined the long term use of any drug in his system."

question: Where did you learn the results of a post-mortem hair test? The link I provided to the AP's 8/22/16 article mentioned only tests conducted "prior to his death."

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If you want to be taken seriously as an investigator and author, you'll need to answer questions like this and many more.

muleFunk said:

disch said:

I'm afraid you have some facts wrong, Mulefunk. Specifically: "

He didn't OD on Fentanyl on the plane.

He didn't have prior Fentanyl use per autopsy"

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we don't know what he opioid he ODed on on the plane. Per the 6/8 warrant (cited here many times): "The Doctor who treated Prince documented Prince as suffereing from an opiate overdose, however, Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff Prince may have taken Percocet." As noted many times, Kirk's statement to the hospital staff was at best speculation ("may have taken..."), not a confirmation. The doctor only documented "opiate." Fentanyl is an opiate, as are many other drugs.

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Regarding prior fentanyl use: The public autopsy summary makes no statment about prior use of any drug. It only states what killed him on 4/21. I think you're confusing it with this 8/22/16 AP article, which states: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn’t a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said.

The official did not elaborate on those tests. But at least one doctor, Michael Todd Schulenberg, saw Prince on April 7 and again on April 20, the day before he died."

-

We don't know when these fentanyl tests occurred, or what method they used. There aren't really tests that can determine a person's complete history with a specific opioid. The tests can only determine if that opioid is in a person's body. Fentanyl is generally on detectible in the blood for a few days maximum after ingestion.

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I hope in your book, you're meticulous with your facts and are rigorous is citing the specific sources for your info ("my sources say..." is not specific enough). People will naturally be skeptical how an assistant principal from another region of the country, with no connections to Prince's circle, was about to get knowledgable source to supply him with non-public information, so you'll have to work hard to counteract that skepticism, I think.

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MuleFunk Said:

ALSO mentioned that the Fentanyl didn't show up on the tests on April 20.

From what we have gathered the OD was from the use of Percocet and from the `words of Judith Hill he was talking to her when he went into a blank stare or as some say a seizure.

I think here in supposition that he had an OD from mixing pain medication and cold medicine.

A hair sample in the post mortem would have determined the long term use of any drug in his system.

As for skeptics if there was no skeptics then why are we here?

[Edited 4/1/18 8:18am]

[Edited 4/1/18 11:03am]

ThatWhiteDude said:

LilaLiebe said:

No need for the eyeroll. You completely misinterpreted my comment. To spell it out, it was a sarcastic observation on how it obviously didn't take a brain surgeon (or comparative level of intelligence) to 'figure it out'.

.

By the way, WHY do some people only think there can be one option - accident? And personally, I think the 'Prince was murdered! Prince was poisoned for TWO YEARS!' conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous.

[Edited 4/1/18 9:39am]

I read this bullcrap about murderer so often, that this is my initial reaction tho. While we're at it, what is your theory?

Well, I certainly can't fault you for having that reaction.

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As for my own personal speculation, because I don't have *all* information available to me, including insight into Prince's private life and his personal thoughts and mindset, I can't discount the very real possibility of accidental overdose - however, when I look at the changes in his physical appearance over his last few years, some of his actions and the things he said and the lyrics of songs he wrote in that time period, and some of the circumstances of those last weeks and take all the aforementioned into consideration, my opinion is that Prince was Prince until the end and did things his way and he made a conscious decision as to when it was time to go, and I thought that from the very moment I heard the terrible news that day. But again, I'm not so arrogant as to believe that I have THE ANSWER and that I'm irrefutably correct about precisely what happened which is why I don't dismiss the possibility of an accidental overdose. But I DO believe I'm sane enough and capable enough of rationsl thought to recognize the 'murder' theory as being ludicrous (particularly when you factor in that those being most loud about that theory also claim almost EVERY OTHER celebrity who has passed in recent years was murdered as well, and that the people they accuse as murderers range anywhere from family to political figures. It's mindbogglingly ridiculous and difficult to not view their theories as crazy. Lastly, that Abigain woman apparantly doesn't research anything and her ignorance about some very pertinent details of the claims she makes discredits her even more IMO

LilaLiebe said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I read this bullcrap about murderer so often, that this is my initial reaction tho. While we're at it, what is your theory?

Well, I certainly can't fault you for having that reaction.

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As for my own personal speculation, because I don't have *all* information available to me, including insight into Prince's private life and his personal thoughts and mindset, I can't discount the very real possibility of accidental overdose - however, when I look at the changes in his physical appearance over his last few years, some of his actions and the things he said and the lyrics of songs he wrote in that time period, and some of the circumstances of those last weeks and take all the aforementioned into consideration, my opinion is that Prince was Prince until the end and did things his way and he made a conscious decision as to when it was time to go, and I thought that from the very moment I heard the terrible news that day. But again, I'm not so arrogant as to believe that I have THE ANSWER and that I'm irrefutably correct about precisely what happened which is why I don't dismiss the possibility of an accidental overdose. But I DO believe I'm sane enough and capable enough of rationsl thought to recognize the 'murder' theory as being ludicrous (particularly when you factor in that those being most loud about that theory also claim almost EVERY OTHER celebrity who has passed in recent years was murdered as well, and that the people they accuse as murderers range anywhere from family to political figures. It's mindbogglingly ridiculous and difficult to not view their theories as crazy. Lastly, that Abigain woman apparantly doesn't research anything and her ignorance about some very pertinent details of the claims she makes discredits her even more IMO

I totally agree in this case, suicide can be possible, but I think we don't have enough evidence that it was his decision to go. I'm gonna quote disch: #Reply 6 One thing is: there was an official determination by experts who examined all available evidence. It was called the autopsy, and in it the medical examiner determined it was an accident. She could have said "undetermined," "homicide" or "suicide." She could have later changed her report. She did none of the above.

disch said:

One thing is: there was an official determination by experts who examined all available evidence. It was called the autopsy, and in it the medical examiner determined it was an accident. She could have said "undetermined," "homicide" or "suicide." She could have later changed her report. She did none of the above.

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If you think her conclusion was wrong, then I think you need to explain exactly how and why she screwed it up. I think it's disingenuous just to ignore her analysis like it doesn't exist.

LilaLiebe said:

No need for the eyeroll. You completely misinterpreted my comment. To spell it out, it was a sarcastic observation on how it obviously didn't take a brain surgeon (or comparative level of intelligence) to 'figure it out'.

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By the way, WHY do some people only think there can be one option - accident? And personally, I think the 'Prince was murdered! Prince was poisoned for TWO YEARS!' conspiracy theory is beyond ridiculous.

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i've said this since the start, "experts" and doctors are just people and like people anywhere they lie whenever it suits them. Doctors were actually silenced during the kennedy assasination with the threat of blackballing them hanging over their heads. Bruce Lee had a coroner state he died of an pain pill when his own doctors were positive he'd had an allergic reaction to hashish but since the family needed insurance money and bruce had stated on a previous life insurance policy that he did not partake in illicit drugs, the cause of death was fudged. People lie. Just last night I was reading about Richard Aoki, a Black Panther who was ill, he committed suicide, but it was not publicly known for a couple years because of the shame. Liberace's doctor said he had some kind of heart problem and they tried to rush the body to a hasty burial, but the coroner in his state had the body confiscated where they found out Lib died of aids. People lie, people lie often i don't know why some people are so goddamned gullible. Personally, i don't believe a word out of anybody's mouth anymore. So, I'm not so quick to dismiss any and all theories about Prince even if they are outlandish as fuck, and I try not to be disrespectful to any of his other fans who loved the man just as much as i did. Personally, I think he was ill, took his own fate into his hands, like richard aoki and a lot of other people do when they can see the writing on the wall, but I could very well be wrong.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

One thing is: there was an official determination by experts who examined all available evidence. It was called the autopsy, and in it the medical examiner determined it was an accident. She could have said "undetermined," "homicide" or "suicide." She could have later changed her report. She did none of the above.

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If you think her conclusion was wrong, then I think you need to explain exactly how and why she screwed it up. I think it's disingenuous just to ignore her analysis like it doesn't exist.

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i've said this since the start, "experts" and doctors are just people and like people anywhere they lie whenever it suits them. Doctors were actually silenced during the kennedy assasination with the threat of blackballing them hanging over their heads. Bruce Lee had a coroner state he died of an pain pill when his own doctors were positive he'd had an allergic reaction to hashish but since the family needed insurance money and bruce had stated on a previous life insurance policy that he did not partake in illicit drugs, the cause of death was fudged. People lie. Just last night I was reading about Richard Aoki, a Black Panther who was ill, he committed suicide, but it was not publicly known for a couple years because of the shame. Liberace's doctor said he had some kind of heart problem and they tried to rush the body to a hasty burial, but the coroner in his state had the body confiscated where they found out Lib died of aids. People lie, people lie often i don't know why some people are so goddamned gullible. Personally, i don't believe a word out of anybody's mouth anymore. So, I'm not so quick to dismiss any and all theories about Prince even if they are outlandish as fuck, and I try not to be disrespectful to any of his other fans who loved the man just as much as i did. Personally, I think he was ill, took his own fate into his hands, like richard aoki and a lot of other people do when they can see the writing on the wall, but I could very well be wrong.

Oh Pete, the pure candor of your communications, the passion and COMPASSION are such a joy to read. Thank you.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

i've said this since the start, "experts" and doctors are just people and like people anywhere they lie whenever it suits them. Doctors were actually silenced during the kennedy assasination with the threat of blackballing them hanging over their heads. Bruce Lee had a coroner state he died of an pain pill when his own doctors were positive he'd had an allergic reaction to hashish but since the family needed insurance money and bruce had stated on a previous life insurance policy that he did not partake in illicit drugs, the cause of death was fudged. People lie. Just last night I was reading about Richard Aoki, a Black Panther who was ill, he committed suicide, but it was not publicly known for a couple years because of the shame. Liberace's doctor said he had some kind of heart problem and they tried to rush the body to a hasty burial, but the coroner in his state had the body confiscated where they found out Lib died of aids. People lie, people lie often i don't know why some people are so goddamned gullible. Personally, i don't believe a word out of anybody's mouth anymore. So, I'm not so quick to dismiss any and all theories about Prince even if they are outlandish as fuck, and I try not to be disrespectful to any of his other fans who loved the man just as much as i did. Personally, I think he was ill, took his own fate into his hands, like richard aoki and a lot of other people do when they can see the writing on the wall, but I could very well be wrong.

Oh Pete, the pure candor of your communications, the passion and COMPASSION are such a joy to read. Thank you.

I'm always a bit cantankerous in the mornings sorry.

Well said, PeteSilas.

1Sasha said:

Well said, PeteSilas.

Ditto.