dance4me3121 said:

jjam said:

Tell you what, Google prince org Michael Jackson James Brown Prince. There's a guy posting in a thread who knows some of the James Brown members very well. Now I'm off to sniff some more come.

Sniff some come?

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I busted out laughing when I read that. I was eating a sandwich, too!!

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Prince fans are the best!!

I was thinking about MJs "Bad". Do you think he wrote that about Prince?

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cloveringold85 said:

I was thinking about MJs "Bad". Do you think he wrote that about Prince?

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Your butt is mine
Gonna tell you right
Just show your face
In broad daylight
I'm telling you
On how I feel
Gonna hurt your mind
Don't shoot to kill
Come on

Come on
Lay it on me
All right

I'm giving you
On count of three
To show your stuff
Or let it be
I'm telling you
Just watch your mouth
I know your game
What you're about

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin'
Just wait 'til I get through

Because I'm bad, I'm bad come on
You know I'm bad, I'm bad come on, you know
You know I'm bad, I'm bad come on, you know
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
Just to tell you once again
Who's bad

The word is out
You're doin' wrong
Gonna lock you up
Before too long
Your lyin' eyes
Gonna tell you right
So listen up
Don't make…

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No the song was not about Prince. It was inspired by this below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Edmund_Perry

jjam said:

jjam said:

Tell you what, Google prince org Michael Jackson James Brown Prince. There's a guy posting in a thread who knows some of the James Brown members very well. Now I'm off to sniff some more come.

So let me get this straight the people in the James Brown band were in the limo with Jill Jones and Bobby Z on the way to the show. The people in the James Brown band were sitting out in the audience watching Prince instead of being on the stage.

Just think about this for a minute.

laurarichardson said:

jjam said:

Tell you what, Google prince org Michael Jackson James Brown Prince. There's a guy posting in a thread who knows some of the James Brown members very well. Now I'm off to sniff some more come.

So let me get this straight the people in the James Brown band were in the limo with Jill Jones and Bobby Z on the way to the show. The people in the James Brown band were sitting out in the audience watching Prince instead of being on the stage.

Just think about this for a minute. According to Jill they ere drinking the whole why to the show. Funny how some can believe this b.s. post but not the fact that Prince actually had medical problems that required the use of pain meds but you want us to believe he was a coke head for most of the 1980s and non noticed are talked.

Even big mouths like Jill Jones and Robyn Power.

You do know that drinking and sniffing coke aren't mutually exclusive?

Sorry, I mean sniffing come.

Nobody's mentioned anything about the possibility of Prince being a coke head in the 80s...well, apart from you. In fact, you should enter the Olympics as that's a pretty impressive long jump you've taken all from an anecdote of Prince getting high with James' band.

jjam said:

You do know that drinking and sniffing coke aren't mutually exclusive?

Sorry, I mean sniffing come.

Nobody's mentioned anything about the possibility of Prince being a coke head in the 80s...well, apart from you. In fact, you should enter the Olympics as that's a pretty impressive long jump you've taken all from an anecdote of Prince getting high with James' band.

You are the one that brough this up not me. So explain to me how he was getting high (coke) with the band before the show and no one brought this up for years? Despite this video being around for years.

Do the members of JBs band sign a confindentialy agreement that stopped them from discussing this? Did Jill Jones who loves to run her mouth fail to mention it? In fact Jill said that the crowd and the band was not feeling them at all since it was the poleyester crowd. It does not sound like the guys in JBs band would have been hanging out with Prince.

Oh this event took place in the 80s so yes I am taking a jump that he would have been doing coke in the 80s yet none of the people that Prince pissed off back then and there are many have ever mentioned it. Even now when estates cannot sue for defamation.

Try answering the questions. If you notice the question marks.

laurarichardson said:

jjam said:

It wasn't alcohol.

—Look That is what Jill said and plenty of people have told us he liked his wine. If someone was sitting around sniffing anything come the fuck on now with Prince don’t you think they would have run their mouth and told us by now? Especially Jill or maybe even Susan Rogers hard to hold off going for a coke run while in the studio for 3 days. [Edited 2/5/18 11:23am]

Just for the sake of chatting, because I don't believe Prince did coke,
maybe there was a reason other than shyness when Prince asked to be alone for recording his lead vocals.
What I mean, it just takes the excuse to take a piss to do drugs. Or jerk off.

You can't be glued to anyone all day.
But again, I guess it depends on how sticky the cum is.

bonatoc said:

laurarichardson said:

jjam said: —Look That is what Jill said and plenty of people have told us he liked his wine. If someone was sitting around sniffing anything come the fuck on now with Prince don’t you think they would have run their mouth and told us by now? Especially Jill or maybe even Susan Rogers hard to hold off going for a coke run while in the studio for 3 days. [Edited 2/5/18 11:23am]

Just for the sake of chatting, because I don't believe Prince did coke,
maybe there was a reason other than shyness when Prince asked to be alone for recording his lead vocals.
What I mean, it just takes the excuse to take a piss to do drugs. Or jerk off.

You can't be glued to anyone all day.
But again, I guess it depends on how sticky the cum is.

People would have noticed. Goodness have you ever read about the shit Rick James did when he was on coke? Listened to Sly Stone try to form a sentence. I am not saying Prince was some saint with wings coming out of his backside but we are just not getting the drug horror stories that would should be getting if he was a coke head. This stuff makes people to obnoxious to bear and completly unable to fucking function.

Well, this would be an interesting topic.

Weed is supposed to take away most of your will to do stuff, yet Marley was pretty political and artistically very active.
Gainsbourg was an alcoholic, yet he had flashes of pure genius until the very end.

Drugs are really a Pandora's box. You can't be a hundred percent sure that, if Prince was kind-hearted to the core,
then the drugs wouldn't just amplify his inner nature. They would not turn him into an insecure selfish ass.
Drugs amplify or reveal what you have inside.

Jim Morrison didn't turn into a complete asshole. Janis neither.
Jeff Buckley tried heroine and didn't turn into an addict.
"Rubber Soul" is a masterpiece born of weed.
The Beatles on LSD came up with "All You Need Is Love".

You can be self-destructive without destroying people around you.
You can get high and feel love for the whole wide world, instead of being obsessed with your belly button.
When I try to listen to the "One Song", I even believe you can be both.

Drugs are complicated.

laurarichardson said:

jjam said:

You do know that drinking and sniffing coke aren't mutually exclusive?

Sorry, I mean sniffing come.

Nobody's mentioned anything about the possibility of Prince being a coke head in the 80s...well, apart from you. In fact, you should enter the Olympics as that's a pretty impressive long jump you've taken all from an anecdote of Prince getting high with James' band.

You are the one that brough this up not me. So explain to me how he was getting high (coke) with the band before the show and no one brought this up for years? Despite this video being around for years.

Do the members of JBs band sign a confindentialy agreement that stopped them from discussing this? Did Jill Jones who loves to run her mouth fail to mention it? In fact Jill said that the crowd and the band was not feeling them at all since it was the poleyester crowd. It does not sound like the guys in JBs band would have been hanging out with Prince.

Oh this event took place in the 80s so yes I am taking a jump that he would have been doing coke in the 80s yet none of the people that Prince pissed off back then and there are many have ever mentioned it. Even now when estates cannot sue for defamation.

Try answering the questions. If you notice the question marks.

You really are taking this personally. How odd. But then that does seem to be pretty typo-cal of you on here.

Here's an idea - why not direct your questions to the person who posted on that thread about Prince getting high with the band?

You know, there's a detail in Prince's history which is still pretty weird to me, after all these years.

It's Wendy and Lisa's first single.
"Waterfall" b/w "To Trip Is To Fall".
They both seem to tackle the same subject.

bonatoc said:

(...)
Drugs amplify or reveal what you have inside.

Jim Morrison didn't turn into a complete asshole. Janis neither.
Jeff Buckley tried heroine and didn't turn into an addict.
"Rubber Soul" is a masterpiece born of weed.
The Beatles on LSD came up with "All You Need Is Love".

You can be self-destructive without destroying people around you.
You can get high and feel love for the whole wide world, instead of being obsessed with your belly button.
When I try to listen to the "One Song", I even believe you can be both.

Drugs are complicated.

Agree. It´s known that many people get very agressive after using alcohol. In my case, I get more relaxed and less anxious (I am not alcoholic, only stating what happens to me). Never tried others, so I cant talk about them

bonatoc said:

jjam said:

Now how the fuck can I answer a question about whether James Brown's band signed a confidentiality (or as you so eloquently put it, confindentialy) agreement? Here's a big clue - direct it to them. You'd be the shittiest detective ever. You'd be assigned a murder case in New York and you'd haul in an eskimo from Siberia for questioning about it.

laurarichardson said:

bonatoc said:

Well, this would be an interesting topic.

Weed is supposed to take away most of your will to do stuff, yet Marley was pretty political and artistically very active.
Gainsbourg was an alcoholic, yet he had flashes of pure genius until the very end.

Drugs are really a Pandora's box. You can't be a hundred percent sure that, if Prince was kind-hearted to the core,
then the drugs wouldn't just amplify his inner nature. They would not turn him into an insecure selfish ass.
Drugs amplify or reveal what you have inside.

Jim Morrison didn't turn into a complete asshole. Janis neither.
Jeff Buckley tried heroine and didn't turn into an addict.
"Rubber Soul" is a masterpiece born of weed.
The Beatles on LSD came up with "All You Need Is Love".

You can be self-destructive without destroying people around you.
You can get high and feel love for the whole wide world, instead of being obsessed with your belly button.
When I try to listen to the "One Song", I even believe you can be both.

Drugs are complicated.

What have you been reading about Bob? Rita said he raped her while high. He beat the stuffings out his manager Don Taylor (he stole money) and the bulk of his songs were written before he became a Rasta. Jim Morrisson was an obnoxious ass who once put Pamela Coruson in closet and tried to set it on fire. Where are you getting your info from? According to people he grew up with Prince he could be a bit of terror at times was he on drugs back then? People are buttfaces for all sorts of reasons drugs don’t help people be better it almost all ways makes things worst. No one in the history of the music business has had a long and productive as Prince being a massive coke head. I am not just discussing his musicianship as I think sometimes you guys forget the responsibilities he had to pick up after he left WB. We know he had issues with the womanizer and he seems to have believed ‘wine’ was not an alcoholic beverage. So he was not perfect but we are not getting the drug stories ( none even about pain pills) that would should be getting. [Edited 2/5/18 16:19pm]

Valid points, but you have a tendency to take isolate accidents for generalities.
We all have our ugly moments, drugged or not.
As i said, drugs amplify whatever is in/on your mind.
But the ugly episodes of one's life do not define it.

There are tons of masterpiece records made while high as a kite. Probably the majority of them.
So yes, the history of the music business is filled with eternal, legendary, lasting, moving and sensible recorded performances
that rely on altered states of consciousness. Only the Western World spread taboo on drugs,
because the capitalism machine needs functioning hamsters, not people day-dreaming about better worlds.

You know I'm the first to praise Prince's productivity, but productivity is not tied to artistry.
I am not high on the Purple Kool-aid: an important part of the Vault is filled with poor material,
repeated ideas, not-so-inspired jams. So yes, productivity is one thing, but you can very well record a song a day
for a year, and still sum up nothing but a dozen interesting pieces when New Year's Eve comes.
Of course, as the experience adds up year after year, even Prince's average training bears some interest. Talent will always be talent.
But there's a difference between something that goes deep, and something that barely scratches the surface.

Now what still is up to debate is whether someone who slept very few, made four hours of soundcheck, three hours of concert,
three hours of after-show, then headed to a recording studio, and followed this planning on a daily basis
was doing all of this without any help of any kind, or if that someone was relying on chemical substances.
There was a natural driving force, that's for sure: give dope to a poor Tennis player, he may win a tournament, but then he'll fade into oblivion.
Give dope to a champion, he'll be a champion for years before eventually all energy is drained out of his body.

Maybe this drive was natural after the dopamine rush following the years after Purple Rain,
but maybe it decayed in the nineties and he started to take chemicals, whether to keep up with the pace
he thought could last for ever, or to ease his physical pain.
I don't have any evidence of this, but neither do you of the contrary.
At least be humble enough to accept it could be a possiblity.
What if "Glam Slam" is an ode in the same vein as "Got to Get You into My Life"? It's a possiblity.
Not to mention "Anna Stesia". "The reason my voice is so clear, is there's no smack in my brain".
Does this mean there was smack before? It's a possiblity.

There are more things that trouble me other than him being a womanizer.
The Oprah interview being one. No matter the angle taken, being in total denial of Amir's death in PUBLIC,
is a clear sign something was very wrong in Prince's head. Not to mention the psychological toll brought on young Maite, for life.
That, and the whole paranoia displayed during the whole of the nineties does not match the Christopher Tracy character,
nor Camille, nor Lovesexy. When I see pictures of him white as fuck around the Experiences years,
they don't speak of someone healthy. As for the nonsenses he repeatedly laid on interviews,
the cryptical talking some fans mistake for some superior intelligence (again, the "One Song"),
they speak to me of drugs, quite clearly. And a moral judgment this is not.
I respect and admire many artists, in many fields, that took substances to cope with this thing called life.

Don't misunderstand me : I strongly believe he got over it.
The latter years prove it. But I'm certain he went into some deep shit at some point.
In the first decade and the last decade, you have someone who is very articulated, even at the wildest of his artistic expressions.
In between, you have a paranoid, reclusive guy who seems persuaded he's conveying a universal message,
but fails to realize only a handful of yes fans are still listening. These cult politics were the total opposite of the Lovesexy spirit.
"The Breakdown" is to me the full realization and regret of the time wasted in this state of mind.

[Edited 2/5/18 18:17pm]

bboy87 said:

dance4me3121 said:

i think Quincy is full of it

I said the same thing when he told this story the last time (and other times he's said shit about MJ who was supposedly like his family) but nobody listened to me

[Edited 1/30/18 21:28pm]

micheal went on record saying that prince is one of the rudest and nastiest people he ever met. he confirmed his feelings to will iam. la reid and babyface.

jackson35 said:

bboy87 said:

I said the same thing when he told this story the last time (and other times he's said shit about MJ who was supposedly like his family) but nobody listened to me

[Edited 1/30/18 21:28pm]

micheal went on record saying that prince is one of the rudest and nastiest people he ever met. he confirmed his feelings to will iam. la reid and babyface.

From "tapes" that never surfaced and the ghostwriter who recorded the conversations was skeptical

http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/06/28/michael-jacksons-book-editor-skeptical-about-audio-tapes-says-he-had-utmost-respect-for-prince

Exactly. Also I just read LA Reid's account of Michael. He said MIchael could be a very "cold" fish sometimes. He was no saint;y Peter Pan regardless of the way he liked to depict himself...(ask Paul McCartney and MJ's older brother.) MJ, it seems to me, was very underhanded and competitive too. I would not put it past him to exagerrate P's reaction over the James Brown event to his family and friends because he was being funny or wanted Prince to look so angry and jealous at MJ's superiority that he would want to kill. Odd, that you and your family would attend the shows of, hang out at all with or attempt to later colloborate with the man who attempted to murder you and your family with a car.

Don;t know what he said to Babyface. But Babyface hung out with both men, meaning he hung out with MJ and his attempted murderer.

Don't get me wrong I am not a MJ hater. I don't beleive he was a child molester or even a bad person. But he wasn't perfect or without his own petty side. Prince was no saint either obviously but an attempted murderer label thrown at him posthumously by Q based soley on a MJ assumption or comment with no further evidence or testimony from anyone else either in the car with P or outside with MJ...that is going way too far. Quincy's interview might say more about Q's lack of decency as a human being than anyone else he talks about. Lying about Malcolm X, revealing possible truths about Ray Charles that are none of our business, humiliating and disrespectful, defending Charlie Ross and his own shitty behavior with women, hating on Tupac's mom, and acting generally resentful of more famous stars...dude seems like a rather unpleasant man

bboy87 said:

jackson35 said:

micheal went on record saying that prince is one of the rudest and nastiest people he ever met. he confirmed his feelings to will iam. la reid and babyface.

From "tapes" that never surfaced and the ghostwriter who recorded the conversations was skeptical

http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/06/28/michael-jacksons-book-editor-skeptical-about-audio-tapes-says-he-had-utmost-respect-for-prince

[Edited 2/6/18 3:38am]

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why care what Michael Jackson would think, about Prince..

this is after all not michaeljackson.org, is it??

I care zero, MJ can f*ck himself, his opinions on P are not interesting..

Ok MJ was a genius, but P was the bigger genius of the 2, because P was a musician, and a musician by heart..

MJ was a dancer and singer, thats not the same level..... ok IMHO.....

Quincy is an asshole. It will interesting to see what people have to say about him when he is gone.

You are right MJ came to Prince to work on Bad and it would be odd to want to work with someone you think tried to mow you down in a parking lot.

purplerabbithole said:

Exactly. Also I just read LA Reid's account of Michael. He said MIchael could be a very "cold" fish sometimes. He was no saint;y Peter Pan regardless of the way he liked to depict himself...(ask Paul McCartney and MJ's older brother.) MJ, it seems to me, was very underhanded and competitive too. I would not put it past him to exagerrate P's reaction over the James Brown event to his family and friends because he was being funny or wanted Prince to look so angry and jealous at MJ's superiority that he would want to kill. Odd, that you and your family would attend the shows of, hang out at all with or attempt to later colloborate with the man who attempted to murder you and your family with a car.

Don;t know what he said to Babyface. But Babyface hung out with both men, meaning he hung out with MJ and his attempted murderer.

Don't get me wrong I am not a MJ hater. I don't beleive he was a child molester or even a bad person. But he wasn't perfect or without his own petty side. Prince was no saint either obviously but an attempted murderer label thrown at him posthumously by Q based soley on a MJ assumption or comment with no further evidence or testimony from anyone else either in the car with P or outside with MJ...that is going way too far. Quincy's interview might say more about Q's lack of decency as a human being than anyone else he talks about. Lying about Malcolm X, revealing possible truths about Ray Charles that are none of our business, humiliating and disrespectful, defending Charlie Ross and his own shitty behavior with women, hating on Tupac's mom, and acting generally resentful of more famous stars...dude seems like a rather unpleasant man

bboy87 said:

From "tapes" that never surfaced and the ghostwriter who recorded the conversations was skeptical

http://www.showbiz411.com/2016/06/28/michael-jacksons-book-editor-skeptical-about-audio-tapes-says-he-had-utmost-respect-for-prince

[Edited 2/6/18 3:38am]

[Edited 2/6/18 3:44am]

purplerabbithole said:

bboy87 said:

purplerabbithole said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

I was thinking about MJs "Bad". Do you think he wrote that about Prince?

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Your butt is mine
Gonna tell you right
Just show your face
In broad daylight
I'm telling you
On how I feel
Gonna hurt your mind
Don't shoot to kill
Come on

Come on
Lay it on me
All right

I'm giving you
On count of three
To show your stuff
Or let it be
I'm telling you
Just watch your mouth
I know your game
What you're about

Well they say the sky's the limit
And to me that's really true
But my friend you have seen nothin'
Just wait 'til I get through

Because I'm bad, I'm bad come on
You know I'm bad, I'm bad come on, you know
You know I'm bad, I'm bad come on, you know
And the whole world has to
Answer right now
Just to tell you once again
Who's bad

The word is out
You're doin' wrong
Gonna lock you up
Before too long
Your lyin' eyes
Gonna tell you right
So listen up
Don't make…

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No the song was not about Prince. It was inspired by this below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Edmund_Perry

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Yea, I was only joking. But, it sounds like he coulda wrote it about Prince! LOL

jackson35 said:

bboy87 said:

I said the same thing when he told this story the last time (and other times he's said shit about MJ who was supposedly like his family) but nobody listened to me

[Edited 1/30/18 21:28pm]

micheal went on record saying that prince is one of the rudest and nastiest people he ever met. he confirmed his feelings to will iam. la reid and babyface.

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Yea, but when did he say that? Purple Rain era? Lots of people said Prince was an asshole during that time. Prince did a lot of growing up after PR.

cloveringold85 said:

jackson35 said:

micheal went on record saying that prince is one of the rudest and nastiest people he ever met. he confirmed his feelings to will iam. la reid and babyface.

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Yea, but when did he say that? Purple Rain era? Lots of people said Prince was an asshole during that time. Prince did a lot of growing up after PR.

I think the only time other then the JB concert that we know of them spending anytime together was the meetings about Bad and Prince was just not interested in being on that song,

MJ might have taken it as an insult.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, but when did he say that? Purple Rain era? Lots of people said Prince was an asshole during that time. Prince did a lot of growing up after PR.

I think the only time other then the JB concert that we know of them spending anytime together was the meetings about Bad and Prince was just not interested in being on that song,

MJ might have taken it as an insult.

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There is rumor that Prince sent MJ a recording of how he thought "Bad" should sound.....if this is true, I would love to hear that!!