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Reply #90 posted 01/29/18 1:09pm

rogifan

laurarichardson said:



rogifan said:


OK someone help me out here. Where in this WCCO report does it mention or co firm a decade(s) long serious addiction to opioids? The only new thing it seems to provide is that no one is likely to be charged. Everything else in the story is just filler of stuff already known.

It does not. They have no info other then minor charges may be filed and they are trying to one up the Fox station.



We have no proof still that Prince has a long term addiction to these drugs.


Right and I’m not saying he did or didn’t. I have no idea. I’m trying to understand what’s new in this story and it seems the only thing is that no one will be charged.
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Reply #91 posted 01/29/18 1:13pm

rogifan

lastdecember said:



rogifan said:


1Sasha said:

My opinion has always been quite simple: release the full autopsy report. It will stop a great deal of the speculation. What was wrong and what was he taking. Maybe, like Tom Petty, it was an unfortunate accident. Maybe it was a deliberate overdose because he was ill. I believe people around him enabled his drug use and behavior because he was their cash register. And I came to the conclusion long ago that he deliberately overdosed in the end because he was ill. JMO



Where is the speculation coming from outside of this website and Facebook fan groups? The general public isn’t talking about Prince’s death.


Exactly!! I said this months ago that PRINCE and his death was dropped about a week later in the general public. This generation has the attention span of a fly, they go from event to event in seconds. I mean one second it was Kevin Spacey then Weinstein then Louis CK then it was like Spacey never even happened and CK was forgotten. PRINCE and his death did not linger in the public eye, we kept that going. For them it was a Drug OD case closed, it should have opened discussions more into Opioids and things like that BUT not with this public. Discussions?? nah we dont do that anymore, that was so 80's


To me this is more about some fans needing to know to give them closure. I figured out shortly after his passing that his family was going to keep as much private as possible so no point in looking to them for closure.
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Reply #92 posted 01/29/18 1:23pm

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I kind of expected that. I heard that rumors has it that back in 2014; Prince was addicted to pain killers. But no one had done nothing to get this man the help that he desperately needed. Yes! Prince was a mega superstar. But at the end of the day. All the enbalers who just saw dollars signs. Their a special place that they are going to! wink

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Reply #93 posted 01/29/18 1:32pm

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laurarichardson said:

jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said: Of course reckless behavior is symptom of addiction. Unless I read you wrong, you and Militant are making an argument that Prince was engaging in “suicidal” behaviors, or purposely ending his life.

You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.

You forgot to add that Prince, the man whose image was just as important to him as his music took control of his situation and made the decision to "check out" by being found in an elevator after lying there for hours with his clothes on back to front.

Yea, I'm sure that's what Prince would've really wanted and planned it that way.

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Reply #94 posted 01/29/18 1:34pm

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lastdecember said:

Exactly!! I said this months ago that PRINCE and his death was dropped about a week later in the general public. This generation has the attention span of a fly, they go from event to event in seconds. I mean one second it was Kevin Spacey then Weinstein then Louis CK then it was like Spacey never even happened and CK was forgotten. PRINCE and his death did not linger in the public eye, we kept that going. For them it was a Drug OD case closed, it should have opened discussions more into Opioids and things like that BUT not with this public. Discussions?? nah we dont do that anymore, that was so 80's

To me this is more about some fans needing to know to give them closure. I figured out shortly after his passing that his family was going to keep as much private as possible so no point in looking to them for closure.

For me in my mind, he was addicted and also ashamed that he got to that point. I think this was 100% the reason he toured by himself at the end, i dont think it was a creative decision at all, I think he knew he could not have bands and dancers etc...all around him when he needed to take something. I totally think he was using while on that tour, he had to, in his head that was how he could get on stage. Fentanyl actually does not help pain in the long run, it creates the need for more, and then more and then more because the body suddenly becomes immune to the fentanyl that its like taking tic tacs.


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Reply #95 posted 01/29/18 1:39pm

jdcxc

laurarichardson said:



jdcxc said:


laurarichardson said:


You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.





He definitely didn’t put the affairs of his estate, will, music business in order.

Yes, he did.



LLC


Tidal


Paisley Park plans


WB contract.



Now we now songs have been transfred to Dreams Corp.



As of today these contracts and plans are still in place.



Those are normal independent Prince business moves, not end of life moves.
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Reply #96 posted 01/29/18 1:42pm

jdcxc

rogifan said:

jdcxc said:



There is no proof Prince was suicidal. He had a very serious addiction that does not always translate into rational behavior. The fact that he continued to use the drugs that he was addicted to, following the plane landing overdose, is not proof of suicidal behavior. By all accounts, he had voluntarily enlisted in treatment that was to begin in days.

In my opinion, it was a horrible accidental tragedy brought on by a dangerous chemical addiction. Probably similar in profile to the explosions of opioid deaths we are currently seeing.

Can you point to where in this WCCO story it confirms a serious addiction?


I wasn’t referring to the article, only to the Militant comments into Prince’s supposed state of mind...but he obviously had an addiction to painkillers (overdose, attempted treatment).
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Reply #97 posted 01/29/18 1:46pm

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rogifan said:

1Sasha said:

My opinion has always been quite simple: release the full autopsy report. It will stop a great deal of the speculation. What was wrong and what was he taking. Maybe, like Tom Petty, it was an unfortunate accident. Maybe it was a deliberate overdose because he was ill. I believe people around him enabled his drug use and behavior because he was their cash register. And I came to the conclusion long ago that he deliberately overdosed in the end because he was ill. JMO

Where is the speculation coming from outside of this website and Facebook fan groups? The general public isn’t talking about Prince’s death.

Nowhere, it's just the fanatics with too much time on thier hands.


[Edited 1/29/18 13:48pm]

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Reply #98 posted 01/29/18 1:47pm

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InThisBedIDream said:



laurarichardson said:




jdcxc said:


laurarichardson said: Of course reckless behavior is symptom of addiction. Unless I read you wrong, you and Militant are making an argument that Prince was engaging in “suicidal” behaviors, or purposely ending his life.

You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.





You forgot to add that Prince, the man whose image was just as important to him as his music took control of his situation and made the decision to "check out" by being found in an elevator after lying there for hours with his clothes on back to front.

Yea, I'm sure that's what Prince would've really wanted and planned it that way.


He was in a hospital and left. He could have stayed and they could have made him comfortable. He sent everyone away. He had the cameras removed. Hazelton was right down the street or he could have hired a nurse. He had access to real meds via a prescription. He made some decisions that day that set the wheels in motion. Where he was found is not relevant and has only made relevant by the media. Unfortunately many people have fallen for it and just parrot it back. He could have been found laying on the lobby floor what difference does that make? It has no bearing on the decisions he made that evening.
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Reply #99 posted 01/29/18 1:49pm

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InThisBedIDream said:



rogifan said:


1Sasha said:

My opinion has always been quite simple: release the full autopsy report. It will stop a great deal of the speculation. What was wrong and what was he taking. Maybe, like Tom Petty, it was an unfortunate accident. Maybe it was a deliberate overdose because he was ill. I believe people around him enabled his drug use and behavior because he was their cash register. And I came to the conclusion long ago that he deliberately overdosed in the end because he was ill. JMO



Where is the speculation coming from outside of this website and Facebook fan groups? The general public isn’t talking about Prince’s death.

Nowhere, it's just the fanatics with too much time on thier hands.


[Edited 1/29/18 13:48pm]


Well it is on the news today and you cannot miss his name every time Fentanyl is mentioned.
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Reply #100 posted 01/29/18 1:51pm

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laurarichardson said:

InThisBedIDream said:

You forgot to add that Prince, the man whose image was just as important to him as his music took control of his situation and made the decision to "check out" by being found in an elevator after lying there for hours with his clothes on back to front.

Yea, I'm sure that's what Prince would've really wanted and planned it that way.

He was in a hospital and left. He could have stayed and they could have made him comfortable. He sent everyone away. He had the cameras removed. Hazelton was right down the street or he could have hired a nurse. He had access to real meds via a prescription. He made some decisions that day that set the wheels in motion. Where he was found is not relevant and has only made relevant by the media. Unfortunately many people have fallen for it and just parrot it back. He could have been found laying on the lobby floor what difference does that make? It has no bearing on the decisions he made that evening.

Without trying to be rude, don't bother, I'm bored.

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Reply #101 posted 01/29/18 1:55pm

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laurarichardson said:



XxAxX said:


laurarichardson said:


Who would have the money or authority to take out the cameras? Just think about it for a moment. A private business was being turned into a public place. Do you think Prince was planning on being at PP if all of this was going on.



Laura I really do not know. Nor is my question above specifically addressed to you, but was instead posed to purplerabbithole' s comment, not to you personally. Still it is a general appeal so please lets not get into a typically acrimonious back and forth here. I am just seeking truth here. Prince wasn't dead when the cameras were turned off, he was still alive and the Park was not yet a museum. Now that it is a museum I assume the cameras are on. We know Prince was fanatical about filming everything so when and why were the cameras turned off? Please only respond with real facts if you have them not any pet theories or speculations about how he died - only information about security cameras if you have any. Don't mean to be insulting and thanks in advance

I am not getting into a back and forth. Charles Smith Prince's cousin has said in an interview that the cameras were removed. Prince owned Paisley Park who else would have had the cameras removed?



The exhibits inside Paisley Park were already set up. He was transforming it into museum. He sent out directions and blue prints. Even old LM has admitted this in the breakfast club interview.



These are real facts. I am not making anything up and I am not arguing about it. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Was Prince known for making things crystal clear.



Even today seeing that songs were transfered in the fall of 2015 to Dream Corps. He was winding down and shutting things down and it was not because he was going to rehab for 90 days.





Goddammit
Laura stop boondoggling my question with that speculative shit. I want actual details, not speculative replies. Are you beig paid to interfere with the investigation by fucking up and jacking threads? It sure seems like it. Can't help noticing you reply to every single person"s posts. Wtf is up with that????? Thanks for your reply now blast off and let me see if someone might have actual specific who, when, why details
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Reply #102 posted 01/29/18 2:04pm

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XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:



XxAxX said:


laurarichardson said:


Who would have the money or authority to take out the cameras? Just think about it for a moment. A private business was being turned into a public place. Do you think Prince was planning on being at PP if all of this was going on.



Laura I really do not know. Nor is my question above specifically addressed to you, but was instead posed to purplerabbithole' s comment, not to you personally. Still it is a general appeal so please lets not get into a typically acrimonious back and forth here. I am just seeking truth here. Prince wasn't dead when the cameras were turned off, he was still alive and the Park was not yet a museum. Now that it is a museum I assume the cameras are on. We know Prince was fanatical about filming everything so when and why were the cameras turned off? Please only respond with real facts if you have them not any pet theories or speculations about how he died - only information about security cameras if you have any. Don't mean to be insulting and thanks in advance

I am not getting into a back and forth. Charles Smith Prince's cousin has said in an interview that the cameras were removed. Prince owned Paisley Park who else would have had the cameras removed?



The exhibits inside Paisley Park were already set up. He was transforming it into museum. He sent out directions and blue prints. Even old LM has admitted this in the breakfast club interview.



These are real facts. I am not making anything up and I am not arguing about it. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Was Prince known for making things crystal clear.



Even today seeing that songs were transfered in the fall of 2015 to Dream Corps. He was winding down and shutting things down and it was not because he was going to rehab for 90 days.





Goddammit
Laura stop boondoggling my question with that speculative shit. I want actual details, not speculative replies. Are you beig paid to interfere with the investigation by fucking up and jacking threads? It sure seems like it. Can't help noticing you reply to every single person"s posts. Wtf is up with that????? Thanks for your reply now blast off and let me see if someone might have actual specific who, when, why details
Please

You asked for facts and gave you facts. Are people coming on this board and pushing the drug addict angle?
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Reply #103 posted 01/29/18 2:05pm

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XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not getting into a back and forth. Charles Smith Prince's cousin has said in an interview that the cameras were removed. Prince owned Paisley Park who else would have had the cameras removed?

The exhibits inside Paisley Park were already set up. He was transforming it into museum. He sent out directions and blue prints. Even old LM has admitted this in the breakfast club interview.

These are real facts. I am not making anything up and I am not arguing about it. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Was Prince known for making things crystal clear.

Even today seeing that songs were transfered in the fall of 2015 to Dream Corps. He was winding down and shutting things down and it was not because he was going to rehab for 90 days.

Goddammit Laura stop boondoggling my question with that speculative shit. I want actual details, not speculative replies. Are you beig paid to interfere with the investigation by fucking up and jacking threads? It sure seems like it. Can't help noticing you reply to every single person"s posts. Wtf is up with that????? Thanks for your reply now blast off and let me see if someone might have actual specific who, when, why details Please

Because she's a fanatic with too much time on her hands and she's not alone on this forum either.

Boondoggling,, biggrin Never heard that before.

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Reply #104 posted 01/29/18 2:13pm

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InThisBedIDream said:



XxAxX said:


laurarichardson said:


I am not getting into a back and forth. Charles Smith Prince's cousin has said in an interview that the cameras were removed. Prince owned Paisley Park who else would have had the cameras removed?



The exhibits inside Paisley Park were already set up. He was transforming it into museum. He sent out directions and blue prints. Even old LM has admitted this in the breakfast club interview.



These are real facts. I am not making anything up and I am not arguing about it. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. Was Prince known for making things crystal clear.



Even today seeing that songs were transfered in the fall of 2015 to Dream Corps. He was winding down and shutting things down and it was not because he was going to rehab for 90 days.





Goddammit Laura stop boondoggling my question with that speculative shit. I want actual details, not speculative replies. Are you beig paid to interfere with the investigation by fucking up and jacking threads? It sure seems like it. Can't help noticing you reply to every single person"s posts. Wtf is up with that????? Thanks for your reply now blast off and let me see if someone might have actual specific who, when, why details Please

Because she's a fanatic with too much time on her hands and she's not alone on this forum either.

Boondoggling,, biggrin Never heard that before.




Sorry you feel that way.
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Reply #105 posted 01/29/18 2:16pm

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jdcxc said:

laurarichardson said:



jdcxc said:


laurarichardson said:


You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.





He definitely didn’t put the affairs of his estate, will, music business in order.

Yes, he did.



LLC


Tidal


Paisley Park plans


WB contract.



Now we now songs have been transfred to Dreams Corp.



As of today these contracts and plans are still in place.



Those are normal independent Prince business moves, not end of life moves.

No they are not. These things were done to secure his music outside of a will and probate.
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Reply #106 posted 01/29/18 3:00pm

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i know someone who knows someone who works at the security company. maybe another approach to obtaining info is required when we can't see the investigation file.

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Reply #107 posted 01/29/18 3:05pm

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This investigation is so messed up and no one can fix it. A two-year investigation and this is what we end up with. nuts

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I didn't particularly care for Kirk's attitude in that interview; the way he was laughing when asked serious questions? eek

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Reply #108 posted 01/29/18 3:10pm

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It is possible thta Kirk was more faithful and loyal of a friend than we will ever know. It could be that he would rather take all the heat from the public than disclose Prince’s struggle because of his loyalty. Prince had hip pain and got addicted to opioids and accidentily died of a fentanyl overdose like so many people. He was not a recreational user. The person that supplied the deadly fentanyl should go to jail. I am not sure who that person is.

i have entertained that too. he kept P's business private for 30 yrs to him what is 30 more.

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Reply #109 posted 01/29/18 3:15pm

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bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.

And he still works at Paisley Park. sad

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Reply #110 posted 01/29/18 3:19pm

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disch said:

I agree with that. The reality is: If, in the last weeks of his life, Prince had taken only the drugs prescribed uner Kirk's name, and none of the illegal stuff, he'd likely be alive today. It wasn't those prescription drugs that killed him.

donnyenglish said:

It is possible thta Kirk was more faithful and loyal of a friend than we will ever know. It could be that he would rather take all the heat from the public than disclose Prince’s struggle because of his loyalty. Prince had hip pain and got addicted to opioids and accidentily died of a fentanyl overdose like so many people. He was not a recreational user. The person that supplied the deadly fentanyl should go to jail. I am not sure who that person is.

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Yea, but Prince O.D. in Moline and it wasn't Fentanyl that time.

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Reply #111 posted 01/29/18 3:23pm

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Get mad at Prince for what? Committing suicide? OR Lying to fans and family all these years, and acting like he was a clean living person, who wouldn't even touch meat?

MrNelson7 said:

You have absolutely no idea how Kirk feels. You are talking about a man you have most likely never met, much less spent enough time with to know how he feels about his friend’s death. If you’re going to get mad at someone, get mad at Prince.

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Reply #112 posted 01/29/18 3:29pm

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laurarichardson said:

Militant said:




What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.


Sorry if Kirk obtained pill illegally he would be in trouble however, I have been saying as have others that Prince had another illness and if that illness is documented Kirk and Dr. S are going to be in the clear. They could be charged but no jury would blame then if they were helping a person with a real medical problem who was dying.

Sorry for some of you but this is adding up to being something that is going to remain private and closed.

If some of us are wrong and there was no other illness I would think the evidence is just not there to convict Kirk. It would not mean he was not responsible because Prince would have found someone else.

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Unless Prince took (stole) those pills from Kirk.

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Reply #113 posted 01/29/18 3:31pm

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InThisBedIDream said:

laurarichardson said:

You are saying he was "suicidal" We are saying he took control of his stituation. In a state that does not have "right to die" laws. If you act sucidial you get put in a crazy house. If you decide to calmly deal with your affairs and check out you are making a decision.

You forgot to add that Prince, the man whose image was just as important to him as his music took control of his situation and made the decision to "check out" by being found in an elevator after lying there for hours with his clothes on back to front.

Yea, I'm sure that's what Prince would've really wanted and planned it that way.

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yeahthat

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And, if Prince knew he was terminal, he would be too busy tidying-up his affairs and not recording and promoting a new album; then go on the P&M Tour and perform 20 shows, up until his death.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #114 posted 01/29/18 3:37pm

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42Kristen said:

I kind of expected that. I heard that rumors has it that back in 2014; Prince was addicted to pain killers. But no one had done nothing to get this man the help that he desperately needed. Yes! Prince was a mega superstar. But at the end of the day. All the enbalers who just saw dollars signs. Their a special place that they are going to! wink

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If his so-called "friends" were getting Prince the help he needed, it came way too late.

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So, Prince just decided to take the illicit Fentanyl rather than get professional help for his opioid dependency? And, if he was "terminal", why not let the doctor's treat you and alleviate your pain, until it is time to go?

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Yea, I know this is Prince we are talking about and he was going to do it his way. He didn't want us crying. He didn't want hoards or people surrounding him in his final hours. He didn't want us to be sad. I get that....but, then again, we just don't know.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #115 posted 01/29/18 3:42pm

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cloveringold85 said:

And, if Prince knew he was terminal, he would be too busy tidying-up his affairs and not recording and promoting a new album; then go on the P&M Tour and perform 20 shows, up until his death.



Are you serious?

You really don't think Prince, the man who literally lived to perform, would not keep writing, recording and performing until he literally dropped dead, no matter what?

You think PRINCE, if told he only had weeks or months to live and might start wasting away completely very soon, would just be like "Ah well, guess I'll stop being Prince now" and just sit in an office at Paisley Park and talk on the phone to his lawyers every single day until he stopped breathing?

Sorry, but if you think this, you know nothing about Prince's character. "Ain't About 2 Stop" wasn't just a meaningless song title, you know. More like a mantra.



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Reply #116 posted 01/29/18 3:50pm

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Covering their own asses and wanting to work off connections to his name. Sadly I am fed up with his associates right now. Maybe that will change. I hope. [Edited 1/29/18 8:58am]

I agree with you on that. I'm sick and tired of all these associates looking for nothing but the $$ now. Even Kim his hair dresser is selling stuff (that she obtained) in an auction. Everyone can say they are so 'loyal' by not saying what they know about his death, but they are all sure making the $$ now that he's dead.

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Reply #117 posted 01/29/18 3:50pm

jjam

Indeed.

Look at Bowie. He could have retired and might have lived a bit longer perhaps. But he lived to create. We're talking about true artists. If Prince had stopped performing and creating music and just taken it easy, he would have died on the inside.

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Reply #118 posted 01/29/18 4:05pm

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InThisBedIDream said:

Nowhere, it's just the fanatics with too much time on thier hands.


[Edited 1/29/18 13:48pm]

Like you here on this forum? Too much time on your hands too? Almost every time you post, you are knocking some member of this forum.

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Reply #119 posted 01/29/18 4:12pm

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jjam said:

Indeed.



Look at Bowie. He could have retired and might have lived a bit longer perhaps. But he lived to create. We're talking about true artists. If Prince had stopped performing and creating music and just taken it easy, he would have died on the inside.


I agree
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