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Reply #960 posted 02/20/18 10:55am

PeteSilas

i know what you mean, you're right, i had an alcholic sister who I tried desperately to save and I couldn't. I don't think everyone is quite that hopeless though, I think maybe my martial artist friend could have been saved, maybe. I don't think he had the best people around him, I think martial artists tend to be very unbalanced and if you get around that and you already have some issues, that kind of outcome isn't unpredictable. I guess what I'm saying is, people that are helping you to be more and more violent and encouraging you to be like that, are helping to push you into the abyss in some situations. I've been there and i backed away from it. He didn't. In other cases, you are right on the money, I knew a kid when he was 19, got himself wrapped up into the a police shooting case, he didn't shoot anyone but he helped the guy who did get away for a bit, he got sentenced to 8 years in prison, he got out, i started sending him money to help him, he kept asking for more and more, and what was worse was, he was lying to me and it was obvious so I felt kinda bad about trying to help someone only to have them hustling me. I stopped after the very last time, now he's back in jail on multiple charges, drugs, guns, and he'll probably be gone for a long long time this time. His life is ruined, I saw hope in him because there was good but just too much negativity around him and in him, he couldn't leave the huslters mindset behind like a lot of guys.

sonshine said:

PeteSilas said:

always feels terrible in hindsight if it was at all preventable. I knew a fellow martial artist, younger guy, didn't know him well but he went off the rails, killed his gay lover got sentenced to life, i was haunted by that for a long time because I felt i was in some position to influence him in a better way. I also think that he definitely had the potential to be a lot better. The problem is, most of us are conditioned to be so self-centered that we don't do that much. I been telling myself to write that guy a letter for how many years? and I haven't.

[Edited 2/19/18 11:40am]

Having some personal experience with this on a less dramatic scale it's very easy to say (after it's too late) "I would have done anything, i would have been there" but if we are being honest with ourselves something always stops us. When push comes to shove you back off convincing yourself that it's going to be ok, they are going to be ok. It's much easier to tell yourself that and take a huge leap of faith rather than jumping into a hotbed of blame, shame, anger, tears, or who knows what. You realize getting involved is going to involve a huge effort, a lot of time, and in the end it might not even be successful or you end up completely ruining whatever relationship there was. As much as we think we would have done something, most of us aren't willing to upend our own lives in the process. Doing an intervention is deep. You are going to very personal and private places in someone's life and that demands the kind of sacrifice and commitment most people can't make. Do you want to now be the one talking someone off the ledge for the rest of their unstable life? Its very similar when someone tragically and often violently take their own life. Loved ones and aquaintances alike grieve and mourn such a preventable tragedy because they would have been there for the deceased come hell or high water, no questions asked, any day, any time. But honestly if someone in that kind of pain was calling on you when they were struggling eventually you would be acreening your calls and avoiding another night of hand holding, etc. Sorry idk if any of this makes sense. I am one of those people who feels others pain, but even i would quickly weary of being someone's savior.

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Reply #961 posted 02/20/18 12:32pm

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sonshine said:

PeteSilas said:

always feels terrible in hindsight if it was at all preventable. I knew a fellow martial artist, younger guy, didn't know him well but he went off the rails, killed his gay lover got sentenced to life, i was haunted by that for a long time because I felt i was in some position to influence him in a better way. I also think that he definitely had the potential to be a lot better. The problem is, most of us are conditioned to be so self-centered that we don't do that much. I been telling myself to write that guy a letter for how many years? and I haven't.

[Edited 2/19/18 11:40am]

Having some personal experience with this on a less dramatic scale it's very easy to say (after it's too late) "I would have done anything, i would have been there" but if we are being honest with ourselves something always stops us. When push comes to shove you back off convincing yourself that it's going to be ok, they are going to be ok. It's much easier to tell yourself that and take a huge leap of faith rather than jumping into a hotbed of blame, shame, anger, tears, or who knows what. You realize getting involved is going to involve a huge effort, a lot of time, and in the end it might not even be successful or you end up completely ruining whatever relationship there was. As much as we think we would have done something, most of us aren't willing to upend our own lives in the process. Doing an intervention is deep. You are going to very personal and private places in someone's life and that demands the kind of sacrifice and commitment most people can't make. Do you want to now be the one talking someone off the ledge for the rest of their unstable life? Its very similar when someone tragically and often violently take their own life. Loved ones and aquaintances alike grieve and mourn such a preventable tragedy because they would have been there for the deceased come hell or high water, no questions asked, any day, any time. But honestly if someone in that kind of pain was calling on you when they were struggling eventually you would be acreening your calls and avoiding another night of hand holding, etc. Sorry idk if any of this makes sense. I am one of those people who feels others pain, but even i would quickly weary of being someone's savior.

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To the bolded above: I can only speak for myself, but I would be there for my loved ones, no matter what. I would be, and I have been. When you love someone and care about someone, you do whatever you can to help them.

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Reply #962 posted 02/20/18 12:40pm

PeteSilas

I here you and agree but it's just too goddamned hard, i remember when my sister was drinking, i gave her a place to stay, rent free, of course the other roomates resented that, my brother included, went behind my back, got her kicked out, meanwhile, i was working all the time, tired a lot of the time how much can you hold somebody's hand when they are bent on destroying themselves? You really can't, and, what i didn't know at that time, she probably was already HIV positive which is what took her out a few years later. You can only do so much but i agree, people are too selfish and this world makes us too selfish, we work for assholes all our lives and don't even look out for each other.

cloveringold85 said:

sonshine said:

PeteSilas said: Having some personal experience with this on a less dramatic scale it's very easy to say (after it's too late) "I would have done anything, i would have been there" but if we are being honest with ourselves something always stops us. When push comes to shove you back off convincing yourself that it's going to be ok, they are going to be ok. It's much easier to tell yourself that and take a huge leap of faith rather than jumping into a hotbed of blame, shame, anger, tears, or who knows what. You realize getting involved is going to involve a huge effort, a lot of time, and in the end it might not even be successful or you end up completely ruining whatever relationship there was. As much as we think we would have done something, most of us aren't willing to upend our own lives in the process. Doing an intervention is deep. You are going to very personal and private places in someone's life and that demands the kind of sacrifice and commitment most people can't make. Do you want to now be the one talking someone off the ledge for the rest of their unstable life? Its very similar when someone tragically and often violently take their own life. Loved ones and aquaintances alike grieve and mourn such a preventable tragedy because they would have been there for the deceased come hell or high water, no questions asked, any day, any time. But honestly if someone in that kind of pain was calling on you when they were struggling eventually you would be acreening your calls and avoiding another night of hand holding, etc. Sorry idk if any of this makes sense. I am one of those people who feels others pain, but even i would quickly weary of being someone's savior.

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To the bolded above: I can only speak for myself, but I would be there for my loved ones, no matter what. I would be, and I have been. When you love someone and care about someone, you do whatever you can to help them.

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Reply #963 posted 02/20/18 1:27pm

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PeteSilas said:

I here you and agree but it's just too goddamned hard, i remember when my sister was drinking, i gave her a place to stay, rent free, of course the other roomates resented that, my brother included, went behind my back, got her kicked out, meanwhile, i was working all the time, tired a lot of the time how much can you hold somebody's hand when they are bent on destroying themselves? You really can't, and, what i didn't know at that time, she probably was already HIV positive which is what took her out a few years later. You can only do so much but i agree, people are too selfish and this world makes us too selfish, we work for assholes all our lives and don't even look out for each other.

cloveringold85 said:

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To the bolded above: I can only speak for myself, but I would be there for my loved ones, no matter what. I would be, and I have been. When you love someone and care about someone, you do whatever you can to help them.

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Yes, it is very hard, and that is where tough love comes into play. You are right -- there is only so much we can do. All we can do is be there for them, give them love and support, and try to show them the way, but they have to be willing to help themselves.

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I'm very sorry about your Sister. I also tried to help my Sister, to no avail -- she doesn't want to hear it. She has enabler's, and I will not be one of them.

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Reply #964 posted 02/20/18 2:05pm

PeteSilas

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

I here you and agree but it's just too goddamned hard, i remember when my sister was drinking, i gave her a place to stay, rent free, of course the other roomates resented that, my brother included, went behind my back, got her kicked out, meanwhile, i was working all the time, tired a lot of the time how much can you hold somebody's hand when they are bent on destroying themselves? You really can't, and, what i didn't know at that time, she probably was already HIV positive which is what took her out a few years later. You can only do so much but i agree, people are too selfish and this world makes us too selfish, we work for assholes all our lives and don't even look out for each other.

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Yes, it is very hard, and that is where tough love comes into play. You are right -- there is only so much we can do. All we can do is be there for them, give them love and support, and try to show them the way, but they have to be willing to help themselves.

.

I'm very sorry about your Sister. I also tried to help my Sister, to no avail -- she doesn't want to hear it. She has enabler's, and I will not be one of them.

world makes it impossible, just ruins us as human beings but we'd rather look at where we as people break rather than where the system goes wrong.

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Reply #965 posted 02/22/18 6:09pm

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bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

That's why Kirk and Dr. S. are not in jail.

The Fentanyl was not labeled Percocet . They were made to look like Viocdin.

The authorities at first thought they were from China but then were thrown off completely when these pills have not surfaced anywhere else.

These pills were not ordered on the black web or anywhere else by Prince. They were given to him by someone who remains unknown.

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Reply #966 posted 02/22/18 7:23pm

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muleFunk said:

bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

That's why Kirk and Dr. S. are not in jail.

The Fentanyl was not labeled Percocet . They were made to look like Viocdin.

The authorities at first thought they were from China but then were thrown off completely when these pills have not surfaced anywhere else.

These pills were not ordered on the black web or anywhere else by Prince. They were given to him by someone who remains unknown.

Please explain, in as much detail as you care to share, how you KNOW this to be a FACT.

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Reply #967 posted 02/23/18 5:58am

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muleFunk said:

bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

That's why Kirk and Dr. S. are not in jail.

The Fentanyl was not labeled Percocet . They were made to look like Viocdin.

The authorities at first thought they were from China but then were thrown off completely when these pills have not surfaced anywhere else.

These pills were not ordered on the black web or anywhere else by Prince. They were given to him by someone who remains unknown.

Well we now know that even the family does not have all of the info and the authorties are not trying to let go of any of the information. I believe someone gave him the pills and I think the police have suspects.

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Reply #968 posted 02/23/18 10:22am

fortuneandsere
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True. Someone did give him the pills. The courier delivery man omg

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Reply #969 posted 02/23/18 10:54am

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i want to see whoever gave him that pill jailed for a long time, friend or not
[Edited 2/23/18 11:06am]
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Reply #970 posted 02/23/18 11:44am

cloveringold85

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muleFunk said:

bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

That's why Kirk and Dr. S. are not in jail.

The Fentanyl was not labeled Percocet . They were made to look like Viocdin.

The authorities at first thought they were from China but then were thrown off completely when these pills have not surfaced anywhere else.

These pills were not ordered on the black web or anywhere else by Prince. They were given to him by someone who remains unknown.

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This is news to me.

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Reply #971 posted 02/23/18 12:06pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

True. Someone did give him the pills. The courier delivery man omg


Yes, from the magical courier in your imagination who cannot be tracked by law enforcement.
[Edited 2/23/18 12:08pm]
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Reply #972 posted 02/23/18 3:22pm

Susu1976

laurarichardson said:



muleFunk said:




bibrose said:


Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!




That's why Kirk and Dr. S. are not in jail.


The Fentanyl was not labeled Percocet . They were made to look like Viocdin.


The authorities at first thought they were from China but then were thrown off completely when these pills have not surfaced anywhere else.


These pills were not ordered on the black web or anywhere else by Prince. They were given to him by someone who remains unknown.





Well we now know that even the family does not have all of the info and the authorties are not trying to let go of any of the information. I believe someone gave him the pills and I think the police have suspects.


I agree, Laura. The tough part however is proving whether the person who procured the pill(s) in fact knew they contained something besides what appeared on the surface. If they can't prove that, the charges will be small or nill.
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Reply #973 posted 02/23/18 4:55pm

mnfriend

Bad drugs were in Mpls.
Remember this story/ headline
‘West Metro Realtor Died From Same Drug, Fentanyl, as His Former Boss, Prince’
http://www.wdaz.com/news/...oss-prince
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Reply #974 posted 02/23/18 6:10pm

Susu1976

mnfriend said:

Bad drugs were in Mpls.
Remember this story/ headline
‘West Metro Realtor Died From Same Drug, Fentanyl, as His Former Boss, Prince’
http://www.wdaz.com/news/...oss-prince

Very true.
This article is a good reminder of how much unknown factors are involved because it is so difficult to establish whether the person using the the drug or the person procuring the drug (if different people are involved)knew what the drug contained. Not every patch is laced with fatal amounts. Drug dealers don't want their customers to die, they want them addicted. People dropping dead is bad for business.
The fact that there is a connection between Prince and the person in the article doesn't necessarily mean there is the same information having been available to everyone involved meaning the realtor or the person getting the drug for him might have known the risk and went for it anyway yet in Prince's case everyone was clueless or vice versa.
The bottom line is that it is very convoluted chain of events and very difficult to solve. Often in these type of cases there is not a proper closure simply because you don't have enough evidence to point a finger at certain invidual(s) in the eyes of the law even if visceral feeling of what happened is there for the investigating team.
The conspiracy theorists aplenty are quick to point out that something is fishy because Prince's case is still open.
Prince's death investigation is watched by people because of his status. There are so many other cases that have been under investigation longer, are very similar and are still ongoing.
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Reply #975 posted 02/24/18 10:36am

fortuneandsere
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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

True. Someone did give him the pills. The courier delivery man omg

Yes, from the magical courier in your imagination who cannot be tracked by law enforcement. [Edited 2/23/18 12:08pm]


rolleyes Is every package that arrives into the country checked for its contents? No.

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Reply #976 posted 02/24/18 10:40am

fortuneandsere
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Susu1976 said:

mnfriend said:
Bad drugs were in Mpls. Remember this story/ headline ‘West Metro Realtor Died From Same Drug, Fentanyl, as His Former Boss, Prince’ http://www.wdaz.com/news/...oss-prince
Very true. This article is a good reminder of how much unknown factors are involved because it is so difficult to establish whether the person using the the drug or the person procuring the drug (if different people are involved)knew what the drug contained. Not every patch is laced with fatal amounts. Drug dealers don't want their customers to die, they want them addicted. People dropping dead is bad for business. The fact that there is a connection between Prince and the person in the article doesn't necessarily mean there is the same information having been available to everyone involved meaning the realtor or the person getting the drug for him might have known the risk and went for it anyway yet in Prince's case everyone was clueless or vice versa. The bottom line is that it is very convoluted chain of events and very difficult to solve. Often in these type of cases there is not a proper closure simply because you don't have enough evidence to point a finger at certain invidual(s) in the eyes of the law even if visceral feeling of what happened is there for the investigating team. The conspiracy theorists aplenty are quick to point out that something is fishy because Prince's case is still open. Prince's death investigation is watched by people because of his status. There are so many other cases that have been under investigation longer, are very similar and are still ongoing.


Yes true. Some of them like to reside on these threads. They are ostrichs with their head in the sand.

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Reply #977 posted 02/24/18 11:03am

laurarichardso
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fortuneandserendipity said:



laurarichardson said:


fortuneandserendipity said:

True. Someone did give him the pills. The courier delivery man omg



Yes, from the magical courier in your imagination who cannot be tracked by law enforcement. [Edited 2/23/18 12:08pm]


rolleyes Is every package that arrives into the country checked for its contents? No.


Actually many are checked a few thing get by but a lot of stuff gets caught. Do really think that law enforcement has not checked into already.
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Reply #978 posted 02/24/18 11:12am

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Susu1976 said:

mnfriend said:

Bad drugs were in Mpls.
Remember this story/ headline
‘West Metro Realtor Died From Same Drug, Fentanyl, as His Former Boss, Prince’
http://www.wdaz.com/news/...oss-prince

Very true.
This article is a good reminder of how much unknown factors are involved because it is so difficult to establish whether the person using the the drug or the person procuring the drug (if different people are involved)knew what the drug contained. Not every patch is laced with fatal amounts. Drug dealers don't want their customers to die, they want them addicted. People dropping dead is bad for business.
The fact that there is a connection between Prince and the person in the article doesn't necessarily mean there is the same information having been available to everyone involved meaning the realtor or the person getting the drug for him might have known the risk and went for it anyway yet in Prince's case everyone was clueless or vice versa.
The bottom line is that it is very convoluted chain of events and very difficult to solve. Often in these type of cases there is not a proper closure simply because you don't have enough evidence to point a finger at certain invidual(s) in the eyes of the law even if visceral feeling of what happened is there for the investigating team.
The conspiracy theorists aplenty are quick to point out that something is fishy because Prince's case is still open.
Prince's death investigation is watched by people because of his status. There are so many other cases that have been under investigation longer, are very similar and are still ongoing.

—-These cases have been solved in other parts of the country. I even posted a long article about a similar case in Washington State. The realtor was using coke with Fentanyl and the police found no connection between Prince and that man. I get the news feed from the Star and there has been no mass outbreak of Fentanyl laced pills killing hundreds of people in that area. He had access to real pills via his doctor. He took those pills on purpose or someone slipped them to him. No conspiracy.
[Edited 2/24/18 11:38am]
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Reply #979 posted 02/24/18 11:18am

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


rolleyes Is every package that arrives into the country checked for its contents? No.

Actually many are checked a few thing get by but a lot of stuff gets caught. Do really think that law enforcement has not checked into already.


Many are not checked. Particularly if they arrive in small boxes, with low cost value. Drugs, be it pills or powder, qualify on both those counts. You should know if every drug shipment could be interdicted, then every drug dealer would be put out of business.


Also, law enforcement are not clairvoyant. They can't go back in time and check these things.

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Reply #980 posted 02/24/18 11:30am

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muleFunk said:

That's why Kirk and Dr. S. are not in jail.

The Fentanyl was not labeled Percocet . They were made to look like Viocdin.

The authorities at first thought they were from China but then were thrown off completely when these pills have not surfaced anywhere else.

These pills were not ordered on the black web or anywhere else by Prince. They were given to him by someone who remains unknown.



disbelief Stop saying things as fact, when you don't know any better than anyone else.


Dark web, you were saying? http://www.dailymotion.co...eo/x54zrao

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fortuneandserendipity said:



laurarichardson said:


fortuneandserendipity said:



rolleyes Is every package that arrives into the country checked for its contents? No.



Actually many are checked a few thing get by but a lot of stuff gets caught. Do really think that law enforcement has not checked into already.


Many are not checked. Particularly if they arrive in small boxes, with low cost value. Drugs, be it pills or powder, qualify on both those counts. You should know if every drug shipment could be interdicted, then every drug dealer would be put out of business.



Also, law enforcement are not clairvoyant. They can't go back in time and check these things.


I did not say all are checked but law enforcement can subpoena all carriers to find out what packages were sent to PP, other properties and even his associates. The carriers also randomly check packages.
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fortuneandserendipity said:



muleFunk said:


That's why Kirk and Dr. S. are not in jail.


The Fentanyl was not labeled Percocet . They were made to look like Viocdin.


The authorities at first thought they were from China but then were thrown off completely when these pills have not surfaced anywhere else.


These pills were not ordered on the black web or anywhere else by Prince. They were given to him by someone who remains unknown.






disbelief Stop saying things as fact, when you don't know any better than anyone else.



Dark web, you were saying? http://www.dailymotion.co...eo/x54zrao


You do not know what he knows? Even when things occur that some of us have mentioned no one wants to believe it.
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Reply #983 posted 02/24/18 11:50am

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:


Many are not checked. Particularly if they arrive in small boxes, with low cost value. Drugs, be it pills or powder, qualify on both those counts. You should know if every drug shipment could be interdicted, then every drug dealer would be put out of business.


Also, law enforcement are not clairvoyant. They can't go back in time and check these things.

I did not say all are checked but law enforcement can subpoena all carriers to find out what packages were sent to PP, other properties and even his associates. The carriers also randomly check packages.


Many
are not checked. And carriers don't know what they're carrying if packages are ordered over dark web - and the fact is, they don't check some of them at the time. (These packages are not labelled 'dark web' - they're not labelled much at all actually, apart from maybe financial value).


Remember, the sender is not a big company who authorities can chase up; rather someone treated as an individual. The senders of these contents want to remain inconspicuous. And so law enforcement/carriers between them cannot possibly find out the contents of every package sent to Paisley Park in early 2016.

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Reply #984 posted 02/24/18 11:52am

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:



disbelief Stop saying things as fact, when you don't know any better than anyone else.


Dark web, you were saying? http://www.dailymotion.co...eo/x54zrao

You do not know what he knows? Even when things occur that some of us have mentioned no one wants to believe it.


I know he can't do logical reasoning.

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Reply #985 posted 02/24/18 12:32pm

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laurarichardson said:

Susu1976 said:
Very true. This article is a good reminder of how much unknown factors are involved because it is so difficult to establish whether the person using the the drug or the person procuring the drug (if different people are involved)knew what the drug contained. Not every patch is laced with fatal amounts. Drug dealers don't want their customers to die, they want them addicted. People dropping dead is bad for business. The fact that there is a connection between Prince and the person in the article doesn't necessarily mean there is the same information having been available to everyone involved meaning the realtor or the person getting the drug for him might have known the risk and went for it anyway yet in Prince's case everyone was clueless or vice versa. The bottom line is that it is very convoluted chain of events and very difficult to solve. Often in these type of cases there is not a proper closure simply because you don't have enough evidence to point a finger at certain invidual(s) in the eyes of the law even if visceral feeling of what happened is there for the investigating team. The conspiracy theorists aplenty are quick to point out that something is fishy because Prince's case is still open. Prince's death investigation is watched by people because of his status. There are so many other cases that have been under investigation longer, are very similar and are still ongoing.
—-These cases have been solved in other parts of the country. I even posted a long article about a similar case in Washington State. The realtor was using coke with Fentanyl and the police found no connection between Prince and that man. I get the news feed from the Star and there has been no mass outbreak of Fentanyl laced pills killing hundreds of people in that area. He had access to real pills via his doctor. He took those pills on purpose or someone slipped them to him. No conspiracy. [Edited 2/24/18 11:38am]

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Prince had access to "real pills" -- do you mean "Fentanyl"? confused

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If someone slipped the illegal pills to Prince -- that wouldn't be considered a "conspiracy", i.e,: conspire to commit murder? confused

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con·spire
kənˈspī(ə)r/
verb
  1. make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.
    "they conspired against him"
    synonyms: plot, scheme, plan, intrigue, machinate, collude, connive, collaborate, work hand in glove;
    informalbe in cahoots
    "they admitted conspiring to steal cars"
    • (of events or circumstances) seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #986 posted 02/24/18 4:52pm

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cloveringold85 said:[quote]




laurarichardson said:


Susu1976 said:
Very true. This article is a good reminder of how much unknown factors are involved because it is so difficult to establish whether the person using the the drug or the person procuring the drug (if different people are involved)knew what the drug contained. Not every patch is laced with fatal amounts. Drug dealers don't want their customers to die, they want them addicted. People dropping dead is bad for business. The fact that there is a connection between Prince and the person in the article doesn't necessarily mean there is the same information having been available to everyone involved meaning the realtor or the person getting the drug for him might have known the risk and went for it anyway yet in Prince's case everyone was clueless or vice versa. The bottom line is that it is very convoluted chain of events and very difficult to solve. Often in these type of cases there is not a proper closure simply because you don't have enough evidence to point a finger at certain invidual(s) in the eyes of the law even if visceral feeling of what happened is there for the investigating team. The conspiracy theorists aplenty are quick to point out that something is fishy because Prince's case is still open. Prince's death investigation is watched by people because of his status. There are so many other cases that have been under investigation longer, are very similar and are still ongoing.

—-These cases have been solved in other parts of the country. I even posted a long article about a similar case in Washington State. The realtor was using coke with Fentanyl and the police found no connection between Prince and that man. I get the news feed from the Star and there has been no mass outbreak of Fentanyl laced pills killing hundreds of people in that area. He had access to real pills via his doctor. He took those pills on purpose or someone slipped them to him. No conspiracy. [Edited 2/24/18 11:38am]

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Prince had access to "real pills" -- do you mean "Fentanyl"? confused


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If someone slipped the illegal pills to Prince -- that wouldn't be considered a "conspiracy", i.e,: conspire to commit murder? confused


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con·spire


kənˈspī(ə)r/


verb







  1. make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.


    "they conspired against him"





    synonyms:plot, scheme, plan, intrigue, machinate, collude, connive, collaborate, work hand in glove;


    informalbe in cahoots

    "they admitted conspiring to steal cars"









    • (of events or circumstances) seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.












R's.Why
He had Kirk's pills in his personal things. Legit pain pills. He either took them on purpose, someone slipped them to him on purpose or by accident.
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Reply #987 posted 02/24/18 6:01pm

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It's just bizarre because with so many pills in different bottles; how could he know what he was taking? Usually with an Rx, a person keeps them in one place and knows what they are taking.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #988 posted 02/24/18 6:08pm

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cloveringold85 said:

It's just bizarre because with so many pills in different bottles; how could he know what he was taking? Usually with an Rx, a person keeps them in one place and knows what they are taking.

Sadly, this is a very common behavior among those with a pill dependance...add to that Prince's in-grained secrecy and control issues...and look where it led.

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Reply #989 posted 02/24/18 6:38pm

deanm

What I cannot comprehnd, If he was so secretive about the pills , Why were they scattered all iver Paisley Park??

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

It's just bizarre because with so many pills in different bottles; how could he know what he was taking? Usually with an Rx, a person keeps them in one place and knows what they are taking.

Sadly, this is a very common behavior among those with a pill dependance...add to that Prince's in-grained secrecy and control issues...and look where it led.

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