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Reply #900 posted 02/15/18 7:17pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It would help if you would stop giving factually incorrect information out.

If you read the court documents you would see Comerica states there will not be any financial distributions made the the siblings in the near future due to taxes owed.

Incorrect? Wrong again.

1. You didn't address whether private agreements are permitted.

2. A reconcilitation was in order for equitable shares to be re-distributed.

3. Distributions have been made.

I already addressed private agreements.

As for #2, and #3 prove it with some facts.

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Reply #901 posted 02/15/18 7:59pm

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cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

When I get back from vacation , I'll post an accounting of the amount of money/proceeds collected on behalf of the estates/successors for various sales,events and miscellaneous items vs. all things administrative/ attorney fees. Simple math,simple answers.

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Have a wonderful vacation! We will miss you. biggrin absolut martini beer guinness sun

Have a great time!!! YES...you will be missed, hurry back!!! (I wanna go with you!)

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Reply #902 posted 02/15/18 10:37pm

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Mumio said:



laurarichardson said:



Some maybe delusional fans but the amount of cheerleading for certain people makes me suspcious.





Absolutely. And it is crystal clear that some of these delusional fans are living in years past, even romanticizing shit that doesn't exist in reality and hasn't for many years. Wanna shake them and say wake the hell up, that's not what was happening with him!

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Reply #903 posted 02/16/18 12:38am

GrayDorian

laurarichardson said:

Read about SNJ in the court docs. They are open about their need for money. According to Charles they tried to ban Omarr and Tyka from the funeral. SNJ has also tried to have Tyka and Omarr kicked out of their homes.

I will not go into Sharon's comments concerning their father's estate.

You are correct they are much to hold caring about this money but they care.

I do think Prince had fans, boyhood friends, and associates that cared about him. I just think he had troubles with the older sibs and we are now seeing it in the public.


Well, I have to admit your bolded statements are a bit of an eye opener for me. I don't follow estate matters (probably too thick/ignorant to understand them anyway, if I'm being honest), and had no idea that Tyka and Omarr were having to deal with such appalling, spiteful behavior from Sharon, Norrine and John.


To be frank, which siblings the money goes to is of scant concern to me (unless perhaps it may effect the viability of keeping Paisley Park open), though I would have far preferred more of the money to go to worthy charitable causes dear to Prince's heart than unworthy elder siblings (and their lawyers).


However, for me Prince's 'babies' are an entirely different kettle of fish.

I think his songs should ideally lie in the care of those who were really close to him, whom he loved and who respect and love him too imho. Hopefully those loved ones could be relied on to look after his beloved music, make wise decisions and have Prince's best interests at heart.



A part of me acknowledges that this is how Prince has left his affairs (ie. with Sharon, Norrine and John as his heirs) and that his wishes must be respected & fulfilled, but I have to admit such abysmal behavior towards Omarr and Tyka makes me wish that Sharon, Norrine and John would not get their vindictive mitts anywhere near Prince's music.

I've no idea how legal matters work but, if those three are indeed largely motivated by material greed, it's too bad they can't be tempted with financial compensation in order to protect Prince's legacy and leave his precious music in the safer hands of those who love and were close to Prince.


For now the prospect of Sharon, Norrine and John as custodians of Prince's music is concerning to me, but hopefully twenty years from now (if we are still on the go) we will be able to look back on this period of uncertainty with the benefit of hindsight, relieved that Prince's legacy, music, reputation, charitable causes and home all ended up in the safe hands of his nearest and dearest, and that they did him proud. Fingers crossed! wink

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Reply #904 posted 02/16/18 4:18am

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I wish, also, that SNJ could be bought out now, but I think their advisors are telling them to expect shares of hundreds of millions of dollars, and that the money would be theirs if others weren't obstructing the settlement of the estate. If, somehow, they could be given, say, fifty million each, I don't think they would accept it - they are that bloodthirsty for the big money.

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Reply #905 posted 02/16/18 4:52am

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1Sasha said:

I wish, also, that SNJ could be bought out now, but I think their advisors are telling them to expect shares of hundreds of millions of dollars, and that the money would be theirs if others weren't obstructing the settlement of the estate. If, somehow, they could be given, say, fifty million each, I don't think they would accept it - they are that bloodthirsty for the big money.

I wish they would take a buy out and go as well but I doubt that is going to happen. I know they are in there 70s and time is not on their side.

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Reply #906 posted 02/16/18 7:18am

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laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I wish, also, that SNJ could be bought out now, but I think their advisors are telling them to expect shares of hundreds of millions of dollars, and that the money would be theirs if others weren't obstructing the settlement of the estate. If, somehow, they could be given, say, fifty million each, I don't think they would accept it - they are that bloodthirsty for the big money.

I wish they would take a buy out and go as well but I doubt that is going to happen. I know they are in there 70s and time is not on their side.

But LR, wouldn't their age BE A MOTIVATION for them to take a deal and go away??? At the rate things are going, they literally may not live to see their 'official' disbursements...Boy, that would be rich!

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Reply #907 posted 02/16/18 8:35am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

I wish they would take a buy out and go as well but I doubt that is going to happen. I know they are in there 70s and time is not on their side.

But LR, wouldn't their age BE A MOTIVATION for them to take a deal and go away??? At the rate things are going, they literally may not live to see their 'official' disbursements...Boy, that would be rich!

It would be but they are not smart enough to see it. At their age they are lucky to get up every morning. If they need cash plenty of finance companies would give them cash as a loan since they or their estates have money coming and I am sure old LM could find someone to buy them out completly. Their stupid motions are making them lose money.

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Reply #908 posted 02/16/18 10:07am

1Sasha

What burns me is their use of PP for recording purposes and anything else, actually. I believe that they think they are better than Prince, Tyka and Omarr. I really do.

[Edited 2/16/18 10:07am]

[Edited 2/16/18 10:08am]

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Reply #909 posted 02/16/18 11:06am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Have a wonderful vacation! We will miss you. biggrin absolut martini beer guinness sun

Have a great time!!! YES...you will be missed, hurry back!!! (I wanna go with you!)

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Me too! Hope it's someplace warm and tropical!! lol martini

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #910 posted 02/16/18 11:08am

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1Sasha said:

What burns me is their use of PP for recording purposes and anything else, actually. I believe that they think they are better than Prince, Tyka and Omarr. I really do.

[Edited 2/16/18 10:07am]

[Edited 2/16/18 10:08am]

They are living in a fantasy world. It is a shame they are not renting out the studio to actually make money.

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Reply #911 posted 02/16/18 11:08am

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laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

But LR, wouldn't their age BE A MOTIVATION for them to take a deal and go away??? At the rate things are going, they literally may not live to see their 'official' disbursements...Boy, that would be rich!

It would be but they are not smart enough to see it. At their age they are lucky to get up every morning. If they need cash plenty of finance companies would give them cash as a loan since they or their estates have money coming and I am sure old LM could find someone to buy them out completly. Their stupid motions are making them lose money.

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They should consider themselves lucky to be getting anything at all. SMH rolleyes

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Reply #912 posted 02/16/18 11:13am

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cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

There's no huh . Look it up. You can have private agreements. I knew you would chime in. You always do.

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In the corporate world, there are always "agreements". lol

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People are shady and unethical -- welcome to America! lol

Comerica states there will not be any financial distributions made the the siblings in the near future due to taxes owed.

Like I said they can go to companies like the one below and get cash or get their own deals with Graceland or even get a contract with Comerica like KJ. How can a guy who is not related be smart enough to hook up a job but not the sibs?

https://www.jgwentworth.com/

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Reply #913 posted 02/16/18 11:19am

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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In the corporate world, there are always "agreements". lol

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People are shady and unethical -- welcome to America! lol

Comerica states there will not be any financial distributions made the the siblings in the near future due to taxes owed.

Like I said they can go to companies like the one below and get cash or get their own deals with Graceland or even get a contract with Comerica like KJ. How can a guy who is not related be smart enough to hook up a job but not the sibs?

https://www.jgwentworth.com/

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Oh boy....question now is, how long are they willing to wait? Are they deperate enough to settle for less?

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #914 posted 02/16/18 11:43am

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I just read an article about the death of Tom Petty. They will not be conducting an investigation into how he obtained illegal Fentanyl. eek

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I posted here......

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http://prince.org/msg/8/452155

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Reply #915 posted 02/16/18 11:50am

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cloveringold85 said:

I just read an article about the death of Tom Petty. They will not be conducting an investigation into how he obtained illegal Fentanyl. eek

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I posted here......

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http://prince.org/msg/8/452155

dude must have had some kind of death wish messing with that shit.

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Reply #916 posted 02/16/18 11:58am

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PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

I just read an article about the death of Tom Petty. They will not be conducting an investigation into how he obtained illegal Fentanyl. eek

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I posted here......

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http://prince.org/msg/8/452155

dude must have had some kind of death wish messing with that shit.

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Just terrible. They also said that he was using the Fentanyl patches and that maybe with mixing so many other drugs, it caused traces of the synthetic Fentanyl......or something crazy like that!! eek

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Reply #917 posted 02/16/18 12:00pm

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

dude must have had some kind of death wish messing with that shit.

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Just terrible. They also said that he was using the Fentanyl patches and that maybe with mixing so many other drugs, it caused traces of the synthetic Fentanyl......or something crazy like that!! eek

i don't know much about drugs but what drew has called "benzos" have always been present in these deaths and he's said they had some responsibility.

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Reply #918 posted 02/16/18 12:07pm

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PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Just terrible. They also said that he was using the Fentanyl patches and that maybe with mixing so many other drugs, it caused traces of the synthetic Fentanyl......or something crazy like that!! eek

i don't know much about drugs but what drew has called "benzos" have always been present in these deaths and he's said they had some responsibility.

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Yes. He also placed blame on the doctor's and that there needs to be more accountability. I agree. I wonder if Petty's family is just going to sweep this under the rug? eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #919 posted 02/16/18 12:50pm

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cloveringold85 said:

I just read an article about the death of Tom Petty. They will not be conducting an investigation into how he obtained illegal Fentanyl. eek

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I posted here......

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http://prince.org/msg/8/452155

llegal drugs are also not the main issue because, as addiction specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky tells us,“The doctors are the ones who should be held accountable,” adding, “It is very hard to overdose from just prescribed fentanyl patches, but it is very easy to overdose if taken together with benzodiazepines.”

This is interesting because Dr. S prescribed Xanax for Prince and maybe those pain pills.

One of the unknown sources also said he also had diazepam in his system.

Benzodiazepine addicts also have a higher risk for developing dementia, an illness affecting the brain that causes gradual memory loss and problems with language and motor skills, in the long term.

We know that diazepam is sometimes used for seizure control with epilepsy.

Trying to figure out what is the angle on this wrongful death suit.

From the estate bill. The suit was being discussed back in fall

10105/17 M. Greiner Review PRN email correspondence; 2.30 1,495.00 telephone conference with heirs' counsel regarding hearing on wrongful death matter; conferences with attorneys regarding status of estate matters; conference call with A. Aycock and A. Bruce; review and revise petition on potential sale of Galpin property; conference with attorney regarding same; attention to transfer of PRN materials to PP.


[Edited 2/16/18 12:52pm]

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Reply #920 posted 02/16/18 4:05pm

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laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I wish, also, that SNJ could be bought out now, but I think their advisors are telling them to expect shares of hundreds of millions of dollars, and that the money would be theirs if others weren't obstructing the settlement of the estate. If, somehow, they could be given, say, fifty million each, I don't think they would accept it - they are that bloodthirsty for the big money.

I wish they would take a buy out and go as well but I doubt that is going to happen. I know they are in there 70s and time is not on their side.

Prince WAS NOT close to Sharon(the sister that ------ him in his autobiographical song "Sister") or Norrine.. None of them had NEVER set foot inside of Paisley Park until Prince transitioned.

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"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #921 posted 02/16/18 5:14pm

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The only person is to blame for Prince's death... Is Prince himself. Cold hearted truth.

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Reply #922 posted 02/16/18 6:21pm

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Kobe said:

The only person is to blame for Prince's death... Is Prince himself. Cold hearted truth.


—-You know this from news reports and unnamed sources? Or maybe you have read the police file?
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Reply #923 posted 02/16/18 10:50pm

bibrose

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

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Reply #924 posted 02/17/18 7:11am

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bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

leec said:

I wonder if the results of the investigation will be released if the US attorney doesn't decide to proceed with a prosecution. I Said Life Is Just A Game can probably shed light on whether the investigation results become public information.

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Reply #925 posted 02/17/18 7:46am

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bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!

WTF? What an idiot..........

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Reply #926 posted 02/17/18 8:22am

GrayDorian

bibrose said:

Wow! I just read through this thread. A lot of speculation about a man most of us did not know personally. People need to hold their judgmental comments until more information is released. It is blatantly unfair to denigrate the character of a person who is not here to speak for himself. What we do know is that Prince did have hip surgery and pain from a hip injury and the subsequent surgery. The autopsy report confirmed that there was a scar on his hip. There was also a scar on his leg. It is quite normal for a stage performer to sustain injuries. His injuries and hip surgery have been confirmed by several Associates - Billy Sparks, Sheila E, and Cat (stated in an interview that Prince injured his hip during the SOTT Tour because someone used oil instead of water in a smoke machine). One of the editors of Ebony Magazine also disclosed that they were able to arrange an interview with Prince when he was recuperating from his hip surgery. It is not unusual for someone who has chronic pain to manage the pain with medication. That does not make Prince a drug addict. Drug addicts cannot perform at the level that he performed and also manage his bands and business to the extent that he did. Second, drug addicts will not cut their pills like some of the pills that were found at Paisley Park. The Chef Ray Roberts indicated that Prince was not eating and drinking much and he was fighting stomach pain in the weeks leading to his passing. He left the last meal that was prepared for him untouched. The fact that he asked Dr. Schulenberg to undertake tests indicates that he was concerned about his health, and wanted to know what was happening to him. The medications that Dr. Schulenberg prescribed for him included medications for pain, nausea, and anxiety. These are indications of the state of Prince's health prior to his unfortunate demise. We should not forget that he disclosed that he had an epilepsy condition that he said was in remission. Ultimately, what killed him was an overdose of Fentanyl. The levels of Fentanyl found in his blood, liver and stomach were enough to kill an elephant and a whale. If he was using Fentanyl on a regular basis, given his size and weight -- he would have been gone much sooner. The fact that Fentanyl that was mislabeled at Percocet was found at Paisley Park is sufficient indication that something went wrong -- very wrong! We should all be patient and wait for the results of the investigation. Thank you!


Ok, fair enough. I completely agree with that statement.

Moreover, I’ve got to hold my hands up here and apologize, as I have recently been pretty critical of the elder siblings for reportedly trying to turf Tyka and Omarr out of their homes, and allegedly looking to bar them from Prince’s funeral (both of which, if indeed true, I still confess to finding frankly astonishing and pretty alarming too, particularly with respect to them potentially gaining a 50% say in what happens with Prince’s precious music, may God forbid).

I think sometimes it’s hard not to get caught up in the at times prevalent negativity, but I have absolutely no excuse, and I’ve no right to be so judgemental, as I do not really know for sure what motivates their hearts (though I have to admit I’m not really feeling too optimistic about the 3 elder siblings for now).

Admittedly, that was sheer hypocrisy on my part alas, especially as in the past I have been very niggled by and somewhat critical of what I would perceive to be some thoroughly unpleasant, unwarranted and unnecessary sniping on these forums at not only our beloved Prince, but also especially the majority of his loved ones (just about everyone seems to be fair game, it would appear). Then I find myself making that mistake with regards to Sharon, Norrine and John.

Sorry! You would think at my age in life I would know better by now, but alas you can’t buy wisdom, sigh! (If you don’t believe me, just take a look at some of Donald Trump’s tactless, at times almost infantile tweets).

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Reply #927 posted 02/17/18 9:10am

GrayDorian

Kobe said:

The only person is to blame for Prince's death... Is Prince himself. Cold hearted truth.

Hmmm, I don’t really follow how you manage to draw such an unequivocal conclusion, based on the limited information in the public domain.


At best I could perhaps draw a very tentative hypothesis about Prince’s passing, which would currently be something along the lines of a serious, incurable illness of an indeterminate nature, possibly a few years of covert medical care (as Prince valued his privacy dearly, and it’s none of my sodding business anyway, quite frankly), culminating in an accidental OD, apparently due to non-prescribed, mislabelled (has this been firmly established?) tablet of a lethal nature.


If there is indeed any truth to any of that, I do not understand why Prince was having to resort to taking unofficial meds to alleviate his suffering. And there would also be the question as to where such meds came from, which presumably the police investigation has been addressing.


So from my perspective, absolutely not one single iota of that supposition would be Prince’s fault.


I suppose, if someone were of an unsympathetic inclination to show him no grace, they could perhaps argue he could have been a bit more careful with what he was taking, but do any of us really know for sure what is in a painkiller or vitamin supplement every time we pop one?


I still view the supposed long-term addiction to pain-killers with huge skepticism, though I realize that many here do not share such doubts.


I’m not sure why the media have persistently pushed that at us, but to me they never seemed to have any love for Prince (especially the horrible, heartless right-wing tabloids) so I’m not inclined to believe their shady narrative. I couldn’t even speculate as to what their agenda might be, but they had it in for Michael Jackson too big time, and are not reliable, reputable sources in my eyes.


I certainly wouldn’t dispute testimonies by colleagues that he had joint/hip pain, but the long-term painkiller addiction just does not ring true with me at all.


I may be in denial about it admittedly, as I know I’m a bit of a fantasist, but I just don’t believe it. Whenever this topic gets discussed on the forums, I think it’s too funky in here…and I ain’t talking about my cheesy feet. wink


Speaking of my lower anatomy, I’ve got plenty of problems with my worn out knees, and I’m not remotely addicted, and Prince was one heckuva tough cookie, no doubt very many times tougher mentally than a big girls’ blouse like me. It just doesn't really add up to me.


Kirk even seemed to laugh at the mention of this supposed long term addiction in an interview (albeit perhaps nervously due to being on TV). I can remember thinking at the time I watched it, yup, that pretty much confirms what I believed ie. that the bizarre media painkiller addicted narrative is probably just a big ole red herring.


I would expect no doubt that in the latter stages of a terminal illness, reliability on meds would be inevitable in order to continue to have any quality of life.


Such meds would have enabled Prince to continue to give it his all, entertaining us fans right to the last, performing to such amazingly high standards in Atlanta so shortly before his passing.


I’ve got to hand it to him and give him massive respect and love for that. Our man was a class act right to the end of his time somewhere here on earth.


Ok, let’s suppose that my perhaps fanciful speculation here is completely specious (it may very well be after all) and what actually transpired was that Prince really did have a long term pain killer addiction, which somehow spiralled out of control into an accidental OD, as the per the media portrayal.


Does this really seem like Prince to you, and to those of us who have followed him for all these years? It sure seems like a ‘whole lot of BS’ to me, as the song goes.


And in any case, even if that were the case, there still wouldn’t be any blame on Prince’s part, because he would have been suffering from an addiction, which to me is basically just another kind of illness, and as such would be deserving our sympathy, love and understanding.


If only some folks would take a far more sympathetic and loving attitude towards those who are similarly addicted to ‘recreational’ drugs and alcoholics too for that matter. After all, we all have our frailties, and there but for the grace of God go I. I think it would be great, if schools and media were to address changing attitudes towards and misconceptions about those unfortunate to suffer from such addictions.


I kinda feel like nowadays we seem to be living in the age of the aggressive blame culture. I don’t remember things quite being so polarized in my youth either. I’m suspicious of the right wing media, but hey, I’m a total leftie, so I probably would say that. I’m probably completely paranoid about them, and I wouldn’t even know it.


Even if there does turn out to be a negligent doctor at fault, or some online shady counterfeit meds pusher responsible for Prince's passing, I’m not sure what solace or peace that would bring. At best it would hold such a ‘culprit’ accountable, I suppose, but it won’t bring Prince back to us sadly.


I don’t know where ‘closure’ comes from with regards to bereavement, if indeed it even exists; Prince left us almost 2 years ago and my Dad’s been gone a good few years now, and I’ve concluded that I just have to get my head down and get on with life as best I can, and learn to live with the loss and pain.

You’re never not going to sorely miss departed, dearly beloved ones, so presumably genuine final closure only really comes with one’s own eventual passing? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding the term/word.


I’m just thinking out loud again and I’m sorry to ramble on, but your comment apportioning blame solely to Prince seems more like cold-hearted opinion to me than ‘cold hearted truth’.


We’re an online community of Prince’s diehard fans after all, so I’d be hoping for lots of love and empathy for Prince here, not supposed ‘cold hearted truth’.


I suppose there is always the possibility that that’s me in denial again, fantasizing away and looking to avoid the cold hard facts. I accept that what I might perceive to be someone’s cynicism may in fact in reality be accurate realism.


Anyway, I don’t really feel like we are privy to a lot of what has transpired at this point in time (is anyone?), though admittedly that hasn’t stopped me speculating (albeit very possibly completely erroneously), so for now it seems to me totally unfair for anyone to be laying any degree of ‘blame’ for Prince’s passing at his door. I shoulda just typed 'disagree', doh! smile

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cloveringold85 said:

I just read an article about the death of Tom Petty. They will not be conducting an investigation into how he obtained illegal Fentanyl. eek

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I posted here......

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http://prince.org/msg/8/452155

llegal drugs are also not the main issue because, as addiction specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky tells us,“The doctors are the ones who should be held accountable,” adding, “It is very hard to overdose from just prescribed fentanyl patches, but it is very easy to overdose if taken together with benzodiazepines.”

This is interesting because Dr. S prescribed Xanax for Prince and maybe those pain pills.

One of the unknown sources also said he also had diazepam in his system.

Benzodiazepine addicts also have a higher risk for developing dementia, an illness affecting the brain that causes gradual memory loss and problems with language and motor skills, in the long term.

We know that diazepam is sometimes used for seizure control with epilepsy.

Trying to figure out what is the angle on this wrongful death suit.

From the estate bill. The suit was being discussed back in fall

10105/17 M. Greiner Review PRN email correspondence; 2.30 1,495.00 telephone conference with heirs' counsel regarding hearing on wrongful death matter; conferences with attorneys regarding status of estate matters; conference call with A. Aycock and A. Bruce; review and revise petition on potential sale of Galpin property; conference with attorney regarding same; attention to transfer of PRN materials to PP.

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Yes; it was very interesting what Dr. Drew said. I'm beginning to wonder if the Fentanyl was actually his cause of death now? confused

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Percocet and buprenorphine” can both cause breathing to slow down, combining the two can result in serious injury or death.

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eek

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Kobe said:

The only person is to blame for Prince's death... Is Prince himself. Cold hearted truth.

—-You know this from news reports and unnamed sources? Or maybe you have read the police file?

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Kobe: Not to be rude, but your comment is an uneducated guess.

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