I think if they talked for 20 minutes about just about alleged gunfire, that would be quite a long discussion!

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Even if there didn't exist any recording or picture of the CNN story, a story report gunfire would have been picked up and mentioned by other news outlets and those mentions would still exist online, and other news outlets would've looked into it. I think this one just smells like a good old fashioned urban-legend conspiracy theory.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

I would put the chances that this was reported on CNN at far less than 50%. There would be screenshots or recordings of this somea where, even if CNN conspired to "scrub the evidence" from its website for some reason.

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True, but April 21, 2016 was a very busy news day because Prince had suddenly died and everyone was scrambling to find out what had happened. If CNN only talked about it for 20-minutes or so, there would be no evidence of it. I'm sure people weren't standing in front of their TV thinking, "oh, I better record this" for evidence. Ya know?

disch said:

I think if they talked for 20 minutes about just about alleged gunfire, that would be quite a long discussion!

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Even if there didn't exist any recording or picture of the CNN story, a story report gunfire would have been picked up and mentioned by other news outlets and those mentions would still exist online, and other news outlets would've looked into it. I think this one just smells like a good old fashioned urban-legend conspiracy theory.

cloveringold85 said:

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True, but April 21, 2016 was a very busy news day because Prince had suddenly died and everyone was scrambling to find out what had happened. If CNN only talked about it for 20-minutes or so, there would be no evidence of it. I'm sure people weren't standing in front of their TV thinking, "oh, I better record this" for evidence. Ya know?

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True. Usually TMZ is the first in breaking news. Maybe CNN screwed up and were embarrassed so they deleted it from their archive? I wouldn't doubt that, since Wolf Blitzer referred to Prince's Purple Rain as "Purple Haze".

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The Purple Haze Star.

disch said:

I think if they talked for 20 minutes about just about alleged gunfire, that would be quite a long discussion!

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Even if there didn't exist any recording or picture of the CNN story, a story report gunfire would have been picked up and mentioned by other news outlets and those mentions would still exist online, and other news outlets would've looked into it. I think this one just smells like a good old fashioned urban-legend conspiracy theory.

cloveringold85 said:

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True, but April 21, 2016 was a very busy news day because Prince had suddenly died and everyone was scrambling to find out what had happened. If CNN only talked about it for 20-minutes or so, there would be no evidence of it. I'm sure people weren't standing in front of their TV thinking, "oh, I better record this" for evidence. Ya know?

sure but it's still out there and in the oddest places, just random folks have said they've seen it, not tmz or any of that, just random posters, here, on youtube, on other sites, they don't even seem to be fans particularly. Be nice if someone cared enough to at least ask cnn about it.

cloveringold85 said:

Mumio said:

Thing is that in almost 2 years not one person has been able to produce that "report" in any fashion and it's not because people weren't right there on that day taking screenshots of everything. Unsubstantiated rumor, only a 50% chance of being true and it seems to show up mostly on the murder conspiracy pages/groups/sites.

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Several people said Wolf Blitzer talked about it for almost 20-minutes. If CNN removed it from their website, there is no way to find it. It's gone.

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I don't see what conspiracy groups has to do with it.

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I'm not saying it's true or isn't true, but there is always that possibility it did happen. I don't think someone would lie about something like that.

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Sorry but no, I don't believe it for one minute and I won't until someone can show some proof. Like disch said, there would have to be something out there somewhere. Perhaps there was another story about gunshots being fired somewhere else and in all the confusion it was mixed up with the news about Prince. I'd seen several FB posts of people saying they contacted CNN and Wolf Blitzer for clarification and no one has ever gotten anything back that confirms nor clarifies. CNN has no reason not to admit the story is true if it's true nor any reason to own up to a reporting mistake. It's either an intended or unintended mistake but I think it likely that someone made it up and it spread like wildfire on social media.

cloveringold85 said:

True, but April 21, 2016 was a very busy news day because Prince had suddenly died and everyone was scrambling to find out what had happened. If CNN only talked about it for 20-minutes or so, there would be no evidence of it. I'm sure people weren't standing in front of their TV thinking, "oh, I better record this" for evidence. Ya know?

I remember seeing people right on the news broadcasts right on scene at PP recording away with their phones so it is not a stretch at all to think people were doing exactly that at home either on dvrs or phones.

dupe

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PeteSilas said:

disch said:

I think if they talked for 20 minutes about just about alleged gunfire, that would be quite a long discussion!

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Even if there didn't exist any recording or picture of the CNN story, a story report gunfire would have been picked up and mentioned by other news outlets and those mentions would still exist online, and other news outlets would've looked into it. I think this one just smells like a good old fashioned urban-legend conspiracy theory.

sure but it's still out there and in the oddest places, just random folks have said they've seen it, not tmz or any of that, just random posters, here, on youtube, on other sites, they don't even seem to be fans particularly. Be nice if someone cared enough to at least ask cnn about it.

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Well, the guy who posted the YT video and several others who saw the live CNN footage said the story was removed from their archive, so?

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I guess that's where that story ends.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

True, but April 21, 2016 was a very busy news day because Prince had suddenly died and everyone was scrambling to find out what had happened. If CNN only talked about it for 20-minutes or so, there would be no evidence of it. I'm sure people weren't standing in front of their TV thinking, "oh, I better record this" for evidence. Ya know?

I remember seeing people right on the news broadcasts right on scene at PP recording away with their phones so it is not a stretch at all to think people were doing exactly that at home either on dvrs or phones.

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Perhaps, but I had CNN on that day, and never expected to see the breaking news about Prince's death. I don't have any of the footage recorded. A lot of people posted stuff on YT of that day, and that's where most people go to look.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

sure but it's still out there and in the oddest places, just random folks have said they've seen it, not tmz or any of that, just random posters, here, on youtube, on other sites, they don't even seem to be fans particularly. Be nice if someone cared enough to at least ask cnn about it.

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Well, the guy who posted the YT video and several others who saw the live CNN footage said the story was removed from their archive, so?

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I guess that's where that story ends.

How do you know the guy who posted the YouTube video?

Is this guy posting this on the Murderous Facebook page?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Well, the guy who posted the YT video and several others who saw the live CNN footage said the story was removed from their archive, so?

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I guess that's where that story ends.

How do you know the guy who posted the YouTube video?

Is this guy posting this on the Murderous Facebook page?

i saw random people saying they heard the report, even on here, you can go back and check. I haven't found a shred of evidence that it actually happened though, it's still so strange.

sonshine said:

If there was any incident with suspected gunfire, or shots heard, it would have made the police report and i couldn't find anything like that in the carver county or city of chanhassen police reports/records. I never heard anything about such a thing and i spent several hours at PP and in the surrounding area on 4/21/16 and the days immediately following. Besides having an ear constantly on the news those first days. Idk where cnn would have ever gotten such a story and/or why they would have reported it. If cnn did report it and now its vanished obviously they realized it was bull***t. I suppose one day i should get brave and ask my neighbor who is the sheriff of my county (right next to carver county) some of the investigative-type questions people have here, but i fear he will think i'm obsessive and/or crazy

it's still fucking strange.

sonshine said:

If there was any incident with suspected gunfire, or shots heard, it would have made the police report and i couldn't find anything like that in the carver county or city of chanhassen police reports/records. I never heard anything about such a thing and i spent several hours at PP and in the surrounding area on 4/21/16 and the days immediately following. Besides having an ear constantly on the news those first days. Idk where cnn would have ever gotten such a story and/or why they would have reported it. If cnn did report it and now its vanished obviously they realized it was bull***t. I suppose one day i should get brave and ask my neighbor who is the sheriff of my county (right next to carver county) some of the investigative-type questions people have here, but i fear he will think i'm obsessive and/or crazy

Maybe you should ask to settle it once and for all. I suspect someone could have contacted CNN with a bogus report. We had a lot of fake news stuff going on back then and the public was not aware of it yet. In addition if you look in the Carver County police logs Prince was the victim of crank calls. With nuts calling the police department making false reports and we know some ass was following him around photographing him on the 20th.

This could have been someone playing a very sick and mean joke.

cloveringold85 said:

Kirk had to have known what was going on with Prince. You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know!!

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Exactly.

*and* he did not have a heart enough to contest whatever his Mater was saying.

He did not realize that an addict has a different brain.

He did not realize that the addict needs protection against themself.

udo said:

Militant said:

bluegangsta said:

Yet, the NPG are still touring with this enabler.

Also, "knowledge" is an understatement, when your name is on the damn pill bottles.

What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.

I absolutely agree on this.

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And to all the nonbelievers : Prince wasn't murdered.

He fucked it up himself !

Simple as that.

Prince is dead and didn't want to kill himself, but is resposible for his own death.

Got it ?

So sad it had to be like this.

Period.

ok, but i've been saying anyone who says anything in a conclusive tone is wrong already. we're too far away to know...period.

Vannormal said:

Militant said:

What do you make of engineer Hans Martin-Buff's statement, saying that people shouldn't blame Kirk, because the reality is that anyone who was around could have had their name on those bottles, and that if he himself was still around, it could just as easily have been his name?

Ultimately if Prince wanted it this way, and someone wouldn't do it, then he'd find the next person to do it.

The NPG are good people. I have spent time with them all personally, and that they have put their support behind Kirk (as have many others) speaks volumes to me. Ultimately he was arond Prince for what - 30 years? Who else can you say that about?


There's a lot of pieces to this puzzle, many of which we don't have answers for. I wholeheartedly believe that P was ill and the whole overdose thing is misdirection, and he preferred it that way to wasting away. Blaming Kirk because his name is on a couple of pill bottles (which, also, had nothing to do with the Fentanyl) feels like a cop out, to me.

I absolutely agree on this.

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And to all the nonbelievers : Prince wasn't murdered.

He fucked it up himself !

Simple as that.

Prince is dead and didn't want to kill himself, but is resposible for his own death.

Got it ?

So sad it had to be like this.

Period.

udo said:

cloveringold85 said:

Kirk had to have known what was going on with Prince. You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know!!

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Exactly.

*and* he did not have a heart enough to contest whatever his Mater was saying.

He did not realize that an addict has a different brain.

He did not realize that the addict needs protection against themself.

Add you wonder why some dumb individuals with no higher education, can't understand that this is a brain disease that has killed more people in 2016 than HIV. The ME stating that by her guidelines the "manner of death" is accidental, doesn't necessarily mean that in an instant, and impulsively, an addict who is severely dependent, could/would not decide his/her own fate. There is an effort be ME/coroners to limit the use of term "suicide" when there is no sufficient evidence to support such a claim.

As you have said , Udo, addicts seldom realize that they are their own worse enemy ,and given the chance and opportunity, will eventually destroy themselves. Suicide, is an irrational thought that becomes rational. Hence the rewiring of the brain.

Most who can not support the opinion that Prince was an addict, or that Prince was capable of committing suicide, have refused to understand the complex nature of a brain disease . Some would rather idolize Prince as some super human who was impervious to the effects of long term use of opiates. Others would have you believe the Prince's drug use, dependency and brain disease ,is being over-simplified. This is not only ignorance of the scientific facts, but the numbers don't support anything that is simple. It is an epidemic for a reason.

The First Count of Fentanyl Deaths in 2016: Up 540% in Three Years ...


Increases in Drug and Opi..., 2000 ...

I am not sure if this article was posted previously or not so I am providing the link below.

When I read this, I think Sheila E. implies but does not directly state the issue was drugs.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/30/sheila-e-on-her-prince-tribute-concert-and-death-its-really-hard

Yes, there's a thread on this:
http://prince.org/msg/5/451715

leec1 said:

I am not sure if this article was posted previously or not so I am providing the link below.

When I read this, I think Sheila E. implies but does not directly state the issue was drugs.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/30/sheila-e-on-her-prince-tribute-concert-and-death-its-really-hard

disch said:

Yes, there's a thread on this:
http://prince.org/msg/5/451715

leec1 said:

I am not sure if this article was posted previously or not so I am providing the link below.

When I read this, I think Sheila E. implies but does not directly state the issue was drugs.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/30/sheila-e-on-her-prince-tribute-concert-and-death-its-really-hard

Thanks

leec1 said:

I am not sure if this article was posted previously or not so I am providing the link below.

When I read this, I think Sheila E. implies but does not directly state the issue was drugs.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/30/sheila-e-on-her-prince-tribute-concert-and-death-its-really-hard

Even if you didn't have an alleged statement by Sheila, or any other close confidants/family members, his actions are resounding.

When Prince canceled upcoming gigs for the 18th of April in St.Louis,(while negotiations were going on in Atlanta) look at his actions during that same period of time. There are clear cut signs of him trying to elude to something else other than withdrawals, but in actuality, Prince was weaning himself off of opiate dependency. Within the construct of time, behavior and symptoms are key to understanding.

Dr. Schulenberg prescribing Clonidine for Prince on a particular date after his return, was no accident. This is very normal when you are weaning. This is not pseudo science, but facts. This is a doctor who was trying to stabilize a patient. I have no idea why he was demonized, but the facts do not support that he did not understand and know that Prince was addicted.

There are points of behavioral reference that supports that Prince had to have known tbat he had a problem with substance abuse. If one allows for some degree of inductive reasoning, it would still be hard to make the argument that he would want to wean himself off of the very thing that gives you relief form something terminal.

leec1 said:

I am not sure if this article was posted previously or not so I am providing the link below.

When I read this, I think Sheila E. implies but does not directly state the issue was drugs.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/30/sheila-e-on-her-prince-tribute-concert-and-death-its-really-hard

interesting, i had a longtime friend too, a guy i knew over 20 years, he flipped out one time and ended our friendship. One of the things I thought of was that he had become more progressed in the addiction that he began with marijuana a few years before, knew i didn't approve and probably knew i'd be pissed to see him on something harder. I don't know though.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Well, the guy who posted the YT video and several others who saw the live CNN footage said the story was removed from their archive, so?

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I guess that's where that story ends.

How do you know the guy who posted the YouTube video?

Is this guy posting this on the Murderous Facebook page?

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I'm not trying to get anyone upset. There is a chance that a lot of people did not see that story live on CNN. Everyone gets their news from their smartphones and the internet these days. A few people did happen to see it, and it was taken down from their site quickly. I don't know what anyone would have to gain by spreading a rumor like that. Maybe CNN got the story screwed-up, then took it off their page.....that's probably what happened.

PeteSilas said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

How do you know the guy who posted the YouTube video?

Is this guy posting this on the Murderous Facebook page?

i saw random people saying they heard the report, even on here, you can go back and check. I haven't found a shred of evidence that it actually happened though, it's still so strange.

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Sorry, I did not mean to open a can of worms here.

sonshine said:

If there was any incident with suspected gunfire, or shots heard, it would have made the police report and i couldn't find anything like that in the carver county or city of chanhassen police reports/records. I never heard anything about such a thing and i spent several hours at PP and in the surrounding area on 4/21/16 and the days immediately following. Besides having an ear constantly on the news those first days. Idk where cnn would have ever gotten such a story and/or why they would have reported it. If cnn did report it and now its vanished obviously they realized it was bull***t. I suppose one day i should get brave and ask my neighbor who is the sheriff of my county (right next to carver county) some of the investigative-type questions people have here, but i fear he will think i'm obsessive and/or crazy

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CNN probably screwed-up, so they removed it.

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You shouldn't feel afraid to talk to the Sheriff. I'm sure he/she is familar with the case.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

If there was any incident with suspected gunfire, or shots heard, it would have made the police report and i couldn't find anything like that in the carver county or city of chanhassen police reports/records. I never heard anything about such a thing and i spent several hours at PP and in the surrounding area on 4/21/16 and the days immediately following. Besides having an ear constantly on the news those first days. Idk where cnn would have ever gotten such a story and/or why they would have reported it. If cnn did report it and now its vanished obviously they realized it was bull***t. I suppose one day i should get brave and ask my neighbor who is the sheriff of my county (right next to carver county) some of the investigative-type questions people have here, but i fear he will think i'm obsessive and/or crazy

Maybe you should ask to settle it once and for all. I suspect someone could have contacted CNN with a bogus report. We had a lot of fake news stuff going on back then and the public was not aware of it yet. In addition if you look in the Carver County police logs Prince was the victim of crank calls. With nuts calling the police department making false reports and we know some ass was following him around photographing him on the 20th.

This could have been someone playing a very sick and mean joke.

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Yea, and wasn't Prince supposedly getting death threats a few weeks before he died? A lot of things are not very clear -- the phone call with Will Smith.....so many others.

PeteSilas said:

ok, but i've been saying anyone who says anything in a conclusive tone is wrong already. we're too far away to know...period.

Vannormal said:

I absolutely agree on this.

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And to all the nonbelievers : Prince wasn't murdered.

He fucked it up himself !

Simple as that.

Prince is dead and didn't want to kill himself, but is resposible for his own death.

Got it ?

So sad it had to be like this.

Period.

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Pete: I totally agree!

purplefam99 said:

I think people who truly commit suicide do it by hanging or shooting. I think true pill suicides have notes and definitive signs. I don’t think addicts choose there method of getting high as their out. Whether they are street addicts or those that have become habituated to Rx meds. Imo.

I do not know too many black folk who hang themselves. I think Prince's issues were deeper then drug addiction. I have also thought just by some of his lyrics that he was depressed and I think health issues especially somethink debilitating could have push him right over the edge.

He lived to play music and seemed to be a social person. Just think if it was all going away. Like I said before he had access to real pills and he was no street junky. He could get relief from withdrawals anytime and anywhere.