ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Some people choose to look at the aggregate of circumstances that lead up to his death , coupled with a correlation to the behavioral sciences in order to conclude that suicide, is more plausible than the ideas of poisoning, bringing the black man down, CIA black ops operation, contract hit for murder, raptured, inside job, etc, etc.

I'm sorry but I take that as seeing what they want it to be. What circumstances? What behavirorals science? That he was alone? It wasn't unusual for him to be alone.

I don't believe that either, they treat this like the MJ case, they never said that it was treated like traditional murder.

You're pretty clever. You should be able to figure out why the conlusion would be of such.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Some people choose to look at the aggregate of circumstances that lead up to his death , coupled with a correlation to the behavioral sciences in order to conclude that suicide, is more plausible than the ideas of poisoning, bringing the black man down, CIA black ops operation, contract hit for murder, raptured, inside job, etc, etc.

I'm starting to change my mind; 'raptured' sounds exactly like how Prince would transition.

I love "transition" . That's the shit right there. "Transformed" is on fire too.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

DD55 said:

yeah, I really wasn't going anywhere, that's where/why I stopped. I still think suicide - my original theory presented to the group for discussion after reading Al's book. My only point was there was time to hide a note, if there were instructions in the note to do so.

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DD55

Out of respect for Prince's religious beliefs?

Maybe hidden due to religious beliefs, that very well could be a reason.

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Think about this: Remember, I told you all about the lady who bought and registered the gun that she used? I saw a therapist afterward and that was a big question for me. Why did she go to the trouble of legally registering the gun? My therapist said that is exactly what people who plan or think of planning their suicide would do. By legally registering the gun in her own name, she left no doubt that it was her gun, so the authorities would not question the family.

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There was always a question of why Prince didn’t just take the pills in the Rx bottle written to Kirk, which were real oxy (or whatever they were, I forgot exactly). Well perhaps the answer is P got the meds himself, so they could not be traced back to anyone and therefore not get anyone in trouble. Maybe that is why Kirk is still free because nothing can be traced back to him.

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Discussion?

Sheila E. said that’s the man she knew, too.

“It’s just like being a football player and a basketball player. You know he really took care of himself. He ate well. He ate better than me,” she said.

She said she hadn’t talked to him for at least six months but tried to reach him after reading reports that he needed emergency medical attention. She said the man who answered told her Prince was sleeping and would let him know she called.

“He said he was good,” she said.

So if it was suicide, why didn't P reach out to Sheila E before he commits such an act? She said it was six months earlier when they last spoke. Didn't some of ya'll say he reached out to old friends and that this could be an evidence that he killed himself? If so, why didn't he reach out for her? Doesn't seem right.

Mayte said the same, she tried to reach him in January and that a guy just said that P was alright, she never got to talk to him.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'm sorry but I take that as seeing what they want it to be. What circumstances? What behavirorals science? That he was alone? It wasn't unusual for him to be alone.

I don't believe that either, they treat this like the MJ case, they never said that it was treated like traditional murder.

You're pretty clever. You should be able to figure out why the conlusion would be of such.

I know it already. But certain circumstances don't implie a suicide. To be completely honest, we don't have enough information to go in any direction, but let me ask you this: If it was suicide, why does his cousin say he was murdered? All this #Justiceforcuz thing? Why?

ThatWhiteDude said:

Sheila E. said that’s the man she knew, too.

“It’s just like being a football player and a basketball player. You know he really took care of himself. He ate well. He ate better than me,” she said.

She said she hadn’t talked to him for at least six months but tried to reach him after reading reports that he needed emergency medical attention. She said the man who answered told her Prince was sleeping and would let him know she called.

“He said he was good,” she said.

So if it was suicide, why didn't P reach out to Sheila E before he commits such an act? She said it was six months earlier when they last spoke. Didn't some of ya'll say he reached out to old friends and that this could be an evidence that he killed himself? If so, why didn't he reach out for her? Doesn't seem right.

Mayte said the same, she tried to reach him in January and that a guy just said that P was alright, she never got to talk to him.

Read that again and tell me what you garner from the above bolded sentence. Don't overcompensate for it is all speculation.

DD55 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Out of respect for Prince's religious beliefs?

Maybe hidden due to religious beliefs, that very well could be a reason.

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Think about this: Remember, I told you all about the lady who bought and registered the gun that she used? I saw a therapist afterward and that was a big question for me. Why did she go to the trouble of legally registering the gun? My therapist said that is exactly what people who plan or think of planning their suicide would do. By legally registering the gun in her own name, she left no doubt that it was her gun, so the authorities would not question the family.

.

There was always a question of why Prince didn’t just take the pills in the Rx bottle written to Kirk, which were real oxy (or whatever they were, I forgot exactly). Well perhaps the answer is P got the meds himself, so they could not be traced back to anyone and therefore not get anyone in trouble. Maybe that is why Kirk is still free because nothing can be traced back to him.

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Discussion?

And where are you headed and when do we get to the meat of the matter? Suicide or not?

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Sheila E. said that’s the man she knew, too.

“It’s just like being a football player and a basketball player. You know he really took care of himself. He ate well. He ate better than me,” she said.

She said she hadn’t talked to him for at least six months but tried to reach him after reading reports that he needed emergency medical attention. She said the man who answered told her Prince was sleeping and would let him know she called.

“He said he was good,” she said.

So if it was suicide, why didn't P reach out to Sheila E before he commits such an act? She said it was six months earlier when they last spoke. Didn't some of ya'll say he reached out to old friends and that this could be an evidence that he killed himself? If so, why didn't he reach out for her? Doesn't seem right.

Mayte said the same, she tried to reach him in January and that a guy just said that P was alright, she never got to talk to him.

Read that again and tell me what you garner from the above bolded sentence. Don't overcompensate for it is all speculation.

You got the wrong idea, I just said that because some of the members take this as an example for a reason that P might have commited suicide. So I just asked if so, why didn't he reach out for her when he did it before his "suicide"?

DD55 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Out of respect for Prince's religious beliefs?

Maybe hidden due to religious beliefs, that very well could be a reason.

.

Think about this: Remember, I told you all about the lady who bought and registered the gun that she used? I saw a therapist afterward and that was a big question for me. Why did she go to the trouble of legally registering the gun? My therapist said that is exactly what people who plan or think of planning their suicide would do. By legally registering the gun in her own name, she left no doubt that it was her gun, so the authorities would not question the family.

.

There was always a question of why Prince didn’t just take the pills in the Rx bottle written to Kirk, which were real oxy (or whatever they were, I forgot exactly). Well perhaps the answer is P got the meds himself, so they could not be traced back to anyone and therefore not get anyone in trouble. Maybe that is why Kirk is still free because nothing can be traced back to him.

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Discussion?

No meds in home were prescribed to him

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Read that again and tell me what you garner from the above bolded sentence. Don't overcompensate for it is all speculation.

You got the wrong idea, I just said that because some of the members take this as an example for a reason that P might have commited suicide. So I just asked if so, why didn't he reach out for her when he did it before his "suicide"?

First I think suicide... see my theory. Not saying i am right, just that is what I believe.

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This is getting way deeper than I expected to go when I introduced my theory.

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Second: I don’t think many of you understand the mindset of a person being in such a dark place where you get to the point of thinking of committing suicide.

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Remember I told you of the other person I know who was not successful. There were years of therapy for her before she become whole, and she still is vigilant and monitors her own thoughts for any sign of going in that direction again.

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There is no light, you don’t want to see anyone, there is no hope, and you don’t want to talk to old friends especially friends you haven’t seen in months or years. What would you say to them? They would ask how are you? You say, fine. You aren’t going to reveal your deepest thoughts! And that ends the conversation. They won't cheer you up....they will make it worse because they remind you of better days.

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For the record, I know people have said he reached out to many in the last months, I personally think those contacts were regarding the book he was writing. I imagine he was ‘checking’ with people on what events they would/wouldn’t want put in the book. I don’t read those as ‘goodbye’ calls if they indeed happened.

DD55 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

You got the wrong idea, I just said that because some of the members take this as an example for a reason that P might have commited suicide. So I just asked if so, why didn't he reach out for her when he did it before his "suicide"?

First I think suicide... see my theory. Not saying i am right, just that is what I believe.

.

This is getting way deeper than I expected to go when I introduced my theory.

.

Second: I don’t think many of you understand the mindset of a person being in such a dark place where you get to the point of thinking of committing suicide.

.

Remember I told you of the other person I know who was not successful. There were years of therapy for her before she become whole, and she still is vigilant and monitors her own thoughts for any sign of going in that direction again.

.

There is no light, you don’t want to see anyone, there is no hope, and you don’t want to talk to old friends especially friends you haven’t seen in months or years. What would you say to them? They would ask how are you? You say, fine. You aren’t going to reveal your deepest thoughts! And that ends the conversation. They won't cheer you up....they will make it worse because they remind you of better days.

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For the record, I know people have said he reached out to many in the last months, I personally think those contacts were regarding the book he was writing. I imagine he was ‘checking’ with people on what events they would/wouldn’t want put in the book. I don’t read those as ‘goodbye’ calls if they indeed happened.

Why would he write a book if he kills himself? Why would he waste money on a new piano, or a new guitar?

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Read that again and tell me what you garner from the above bolded sentence. Don't overcompensate for it is all speculation.

You got the wrong idea, I just said that because some of the members take this as an example for a reason that P might have commited suicide. So I just asked if so, why didn't he reach out for her when he did it before his "suicide"?

I'm more interested in what you think vs. what the other members supposedly use as an example.

ThatWhiteDude said:

DD55 said:

First I think suicide... see my theory. Not saying i am right, just that is what I believe.

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This is getting way deeper than I expected to go when I introduced my theory.

.

Second: I don’t think many of you understand the mindset of a person being in such a dark place where you get to the point of thinking of committing suicide.

.

Remember I told you of the other person I know who was not successful. There were years of therapy for her before she become whole, and she still is vigilant and monitors her own thoughts for any sign of going in that direction again.

.

There is no light, you don’t want to see anyone, there is no hope, and you don’t want to talk to old friends especially friends you haven’t seen in months or years. What would you say to them? They would ask how are you? You say, fine. You aren’t going to reveal your deepest thoughts! And that ends the conversation. They won't cheer you up....they will make it worse because they remind you of better days.

.

For the record, I know people have said he reached out to many in the last months, I personally think those contacts were regarding the book he was writing. I imagine he was ‘checking’ with people on what events they would/wouldn’t want put in the book. I don’t read those as ‘goodbye’ calls if they indeed happened.

Why would he write a book if he kills himself? Why would he waste money on a new piano, or a new guitar?

Well, you just live your life and you go on with your life, but with these thoughts, until the day you decide.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

You got the wrong idea, I just said that because some of the members take this as an example for a reason that P might have commited suicide. So I just asked if so, why didn't he reach out for her when he did it before his "suicide"?

I'm more interested in what you think vs. what the other members supposedly use as an example.

What I think? You mean, as a whole? I think that it is similar to MJ's case. I think that Prince wasn't addicted, but lost the control over the whole thing. I think that because this pills weren't correctly labeled, Prince took the so called hot pill and died of the result of an accidental OD.

Yes, if you dig deep enough, you could easily find signs of suicide. But that also goes for traditional murder, because everybody could have a motive to do it, if you dig deep enough.

DD55 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Why would he write a book if he kills himself? Why would he waste money on a new piano, or a new guitar?

Well, you just live your life and you go on with your life, but with these thoughts, until the day you decide.

Yes I know that! But there was no unusual behavior witnessed! I don't say that you notice that someone is suicidal, but you sure as hell notice that someone is more and more depressed. If you get depressed, you change and people notice that. But nothing of that nature was stated by people of his inner circle.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

You're pretty clever. You should be able to figure out why the conlusion would be of such.

I know it already. But certain circumstances don't implie a suicide. To be completely honest, we don't have enough information to go in any direction, but let me ask you this: If it was suicide, why does his cousin say he was murdered? All this #Justiceforcuz thing? Why?

Attention Seeker Chazz?

Remember he gave an interview after P passed saying quite the opposite.

ThatWhiteDude said:

DD55 said:

Well, you just live your life and you go on with your life, but with these thoughts, until the day you decide.

Yes I know that! But there was no unusual behavior witnessed! I don't say that you notice that someone is suicidal, but you sure as hell notice that someone is more and more depressed. If you get depressed, you change and people notice that. But nothing of that nature was stated by people of his inner circle.

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Didn't everyone talk about how 'depressed' he was over Vanity's death? From her death on, he is described as depressed. Do I have that wrong?

DD55 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yes I know that! But there was no unusual behavior witnessed! I don't say that you notice that someone is suicidal, but you sure as hell notice that someone is more and more depressed. If you get depressed, you change and people notice that. But nothing of that nature was stated by people of his inner circle.

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Didn't everyone talk about how 'depressed' he was over Vanity's death? From her death on, he is described as depressed. Do I have that wrong?

Everybody is kind of depressed if you lose a love one, that doesn't always result in a suicide. I'm sorry but this is ridiculous, do you believe that her death was more depressing than his sons? Why didn't he kill himself back then if he can't deal with such a thing like that?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I know it already. But certain circumstances don't implie a suicide. To be completely honest, we don't have enough information to go in any direction, but let me ask you this: If it was suicide, why does his cousin say he was murdered? All this #Justiceforcuz thing? Why?

Attention Seeker Chazz?

Remember he gave an interview after P passed saying quite the opposite.

Let me guess, if he told us it was suicide, you'd be the first one to believe this "Attention Seeker?"

Here is a "gubment" study link to a comparative study of suicide , accidental and undetermined cause of death classification.


1.Of particular interest may be : The free hand ME"s are given across the region to determine suicide; See Abstract.


2.Scroll down to "Method" -subsection- Ascertainment. Sentence #3 and onward: This may be of interest as it covers scope or in part , methods used to determine suicide. It could have been applied to Prince's death all the same depending on the interpretation of said investigators and ME involved in his death.


Comparative Analysis of Suicide, Accidental, and Undetermined ...

ThatWhiteDude said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Attention Seeker Chazz?

Remember he gave an interview after P passed saying quite the opposite.

Let me guess, if he told us it was suicide, you'd be the first one to believe this "Attention Seeker?"

That is quite an intellectual come back to explain Chazz's change in direction.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Let me guess, if he told us it was suicide, you'd be the first one to believe this "Attention Seeker?"

That is quite an intellectual come back to explain Chazz's change in direction.

What was his opinion before he changed his mind?

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

I'm more interested in what you think vs. what the other members supposedly use as an example.

What I think? You mean, as a whole? I think that it is similar to MJ's case. I think that Prince wasn't addicted, but lost the control over the whole thing. I think that because this pills weren't correctly labeled, Prince took the so called hot pill and died of the result of an accidental OD.

Yes, if you dig deep enough, you could easily find signs of suicide. But that also goes for traditional murder, because everybody could have a motive to do it, if you dig deep enough.

When you write that it is similar to MJ's case? What do you mean?

Menes said:

Here is a "gubment" study link to a comparative study of suicide , accidental and undetermined cause of death classification.


1.Of particular interest may be : The free hand ME"s are given across the region to determine suicide; See Abstract.


2.Scroll down to "Method" -subsection- Ascertainment. Sentence #3 and onward: This may be of interest as it covers scope or in part , methods used to determine suicide. It could have been applied to Prince's death all the same depending on the interpretation of said investigators and ME involved in his death.


Comparative Analysis of Suicide, Accidental, and Undetermined ...

Okay was there a big amount of pills missing? I don't think so, at least I never heard of that. Did they find any evidence on his computers? Nope. The Sherrif would've said that.

Again, we don't have enough information to go in any direction. Everything we're discussing here are simply suggestions. Nothing factual.

Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

What I think? You mean, as a whole? I think that it is similar to MJ's case. I think that Prince wasn't addicted, but lost the control over the whole thing. I think that because this pills weren't correctly labeled, Prince took the so called hot pill and died of the result of an accidental OD.

Yes, if you dig deep enough, you could easily find signs of suicide. But that also goes for traditional murder, because everybody could have a motive to do it, if you dig deep enough.

When you write that it is similar to MJ's case? What do you mean?

Prince's doctor left his job after Prince's death, claiming he didn't prescribe him Pain Killers. That is as suspisous as Murray running away after MJ was deceased.

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Sheila E. said that’s the man she knew, too.

“It’s just like being a football player and a basketball player. You know he really took care of himself. He ate well. He ate better than me,” she said.

She said she hadn’t talked to him for at least six months but tried to reach him after reading reports that he needed emergency medical attention. She said the man who answered told her Prince was sleeping and would let him know she called.

“He said he was good,” she said.

So if it was suicide, why didn't P reach out to Sheila E before he commits such an act? She said it was six months earlier when they last spoke. Didn't some of ya'll say he reached out to old friends and that this could be an evidence that he killed himself? If so, why didn't he reach out for her? Doesn't seem right.

Mayte said the same, she tried to reach him in January and that a guy just said that P was alright, she never got to talk to him.

Because he had already made up his mind.

You know what's pissing me off?? You talk like you know it for sure what was going through his mind!! But you know what? YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. Please stop acting like the absolute Prince Expert Fan who knows how he felt during his last months!!

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ThatWhiteDude said: