ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Jay-Z is a tool. I hope the estate has nothing to do with Tidal in the future. Who even knows how long Tidal will be around. Spotify and Apple Music aren’t going anywhere.

vainandy said:

It's a rap lyric, not a written statement. Yeah, he's a businessman. A wealthy and successful one at that.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I love the fact that Jay-Z dissed Lonny.

Maybe Sharon can help Lonny do a reply track?

seriously though. i hope the family get it together now. they were all just thrown in the deep end
and it's understandable that they made mistakes and listened to the wrong people. seasoned and
well represented stars make mistakes and let crooks handle their bussines at time. so why should
a family who is faced with this huge task, whilst mourning the loss of a brother, and faced with an
immediate 'deadline' regarding a huge tax bill etc, be able to sit down and make the right and best
choices at the drop of a hat, just like that?

they fucked up, they stumbled, now they know. so it's only from here on out that we can somewhat
fairly judge if they want to do the right thing or if they are content to screw things up, continue the
internal bickering and opposing and are happy to let everything remain up in the air or if they will
sit down with some good advisors and make the right kind of deals to move forward. let's wait and
see.

however, if londell remains advisor to those older sibs, it's going to be hard for all parties

meanwhile, they could have just listened to what jay z/tidal had to say and worked out something
with them. like give them that last album and the live album. it would make some money and the
fans (duh) would get to hear the music (yeah, i'm being selfish ).

and if jay z offered 40 mil, why did they sell the rights to umg for 31 mil? so many questions.

it'll be an interesting year ahead of us. i just hope there's a resolution and some music and a bit of
dignity for all involved at the end of it.

but not for koppelmann and londell

laurarichardson said:

You can get a free trial and buy the albums. When the Tidal deal ends I expect NPG material to vanish for a while.

I purchased Exodus from Tidal and yesterday it said NPG Records no longer allows streaming of it. I thought when you purchased the album it was downloaded to your device. Any idea how I can get NPG albums I purchased back (not that you work for Tidal or anything)?

DD55 said:

vainandy said:

I haven't forgotten NPG Music Club and I was not a member of it either. I'm a Prince fan, not a Prince "fam". I said the exact same thing about NPG Music Club as I say about these new sites. It is rediculous to pay a fee just to get into a place to buy something, or even worse, simply listen to something without being able to buy it but simply "stream" it or download it.

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Even though I'm not a fool enough to throw away money like that, do I dislike something owned by Jay-Z more than other services? Damn right I do. He is shit hop trash and I wouldn't give one cent of my money to support shit like that. Is it racial? Hell no. My love is funk and I was listening to it as far back as 1979 right after disco's supposed "death" in the days when I was one of the very few white people listening to it and caught the backlash from all the white people that hated it. But was funk replaced with a better form of R&B when it ran it's coarse and something else took over? No, it was replaced with shit hop, which is a bunch of absolute nothing, and shit hop hasn't been replaced with anything since. Styles always changed every ten years but not with shit hop, the 2000s arrived, still shit hop. The 2010s are almost over, still shit hop. So this is what the dominating form of R&B is apparently going to be from now on. Well, not one cent of my money will contribute to it.

Just because you don't like Jay-Z's music or hip hop in general, why would that stop you from going to the Tidal STORE and BUYING post WB music/albums that are not available anywhere else?

I don't have Spotify but does anyone know if the post WB releases are there?

Peace~DD55

Oh, I didn't buy "Fart Official Age" or "Shit N Run" from there or anywhere else for that matter. Not because of where they were sold, but because he sold out the way his music sounded so I just strictly didn't buy them at all. I don't give Prince a pass either. My days of buying something strictly because Prince made were over by then. To buy something and then bitch about it does no good because Prince had your money whether you liked the product or not. The best way to show you don't like a product is to make them feel it in the pocketbook. Now, "Purple Rain Deluxe", on the other hand, I bought it on the first day of release and even called Best Buy a few days early to make sure they had it before wasting my time driving up there. And if they didn't have it, I would have searched all over the place for it. I gladly support things I like and if I don't like it, I don't spend one cent on it.

3rdEyeUnlimited said:

laurarichardson said:

You can get a free trial and buy the albums. When the Tidal deal ends I expect NPG material to vanish for a while.

I purchased Exodus from Tidal and yesterday it said NPG Records no longer allows streaming of it. I thought when you purchased the album it was downloaded to your device. Any idea how I can get NPG albums I purchased back (not that you work for Tidal or anything)?

Go to the Tidal store, not streaming, find your reciept and send them an email. They will send you a link to the files. Or look in your download file on your computer if you downloaded them a while ago. Tidal customer service is very good and they get back to you within a day.

Factor1 said:

vainandy said:

And this is supposed to be a businessman? Trash can't even use an "ed" at the end of "auction".

It's a rap lyric, not a written statement. Yeah, he's a businessman. A wealthy and successful one at that.

I don't doubt that at all. There's plenty of ignorance and bad taste around these days. Just look at what's all over the radio. Hell, I wish I could record something with some Fisher Price toys and get some piece of trash to talk over it in an ignorant way and sell it to all these suckers too. Hell, I wouldn't even have to spend money to buy blank CDs to record it on either, just sell them a download.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I love the fact that Jay-Z dissed Lonny.

Maybe Sharon can help Lonny do a reply track?

DD55 said:

3rdEyeUnlimited said:

I purchased Exodus from Tidal and yesterday it said NPG Records no longer allows streaming of it. I thought when you purchased the album it was downloaded to your device. Any idea how I can get NPG albums I purchased back (not that you work for Tidal or anything)?

Go to the Tidal store, not streaming, find your reciept and send them an email. They will send you a link to the files. Or look in your download file on your computer if you downloaded them a while ago. Tidal customer service is very good and they get back to you within a day.

Awesome thanks !!

vainandy said:

If you're against streaming and you didn't buy them, how did you listen to the albums to decide that you didn't want to buy them?

FullLipsDotNose said:

I like the song... but yeah, didn't P say he wanted PP to turn into a museum?

Prince did plan to turn it into a museum--that doesn't mean that the way it's been done is what he intended. But who knows? For Jay-Z, it just mixes in to the unprofessional (at best) or dishonest (at worst) way that Prince's legacy is being handled. Now, the fact is that when Prince was at war with the industry, Londell is who he went with and who he publicly credited with much of the success of his efforts (whatever we might think of that "success"). So there you are, not that it means he had any sense of what he was doing with the Universal deal or anything else with the estate's affairs.

As to whether I want things to be handled by Tidal--nope, I don't. I want a mainstream approach, across platforms and services, with reliable physical releases for most, if not all future Prince product. I don't see that happening with Tidal. Prince may have been able to push for that during his lifetime, but Tidal has too much of an exclusive release/availability type approach for me to want that to be where Prince's legacy winds up. Nothing against Jay-Z in that--if I knew that general widespread availability would be guaranteed, I don't mind at all to see the word Tidal on the discs and for some of the money to end up in his hands.

[Edited 6/30/17 12:17pm]

vainandy said:

DD55 said:

Just because you don't like Jay-Z's music or hip hop in general, why would that stop you from going to the Tidal STORE and BUYING post WB music/albums that are not available anywhere else?

I don't have Spotify but does anyone know if the post WB releases are there?

Peace~DD55

Oh, I didn't buy "Fart Official Age" or "Shit N Run" from there or anywhere else for that matter. Not because of where they were sold, but because he sold out the way his music sounded so I just strictly didn't buy them at all. I don't give Prince a pass either. My days of buying something strictly because Prince made were over by then. To buy something and then bitch about it does no good because Prince had your money whether you liked the product or not. The best way to show you don't like a product is to make them feel it in the pocketbook. Now, "Purple Rain Deluxe", on the other hand, I bought it on the first day of release and even called Best Buy a few days early to make sure they had it before wasting my time driving up there. And if they didn't have it, I would have searched all over the place for it. I gladly support things I like and if I don't like it, I don't spend one cent on it.

Prince grew up both albums are excellent.

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I love the fact that Jay-Z dissed Lonny.

Maybe Sharon can help Lonny do a reply track?

Jay-Z is a tool. I hope the estate has nothing to do with Tidal in the future. Who even knows how long Tidal will be around. Spotify and Apple Music aren’t going anywhere.

Why is Jay-Z a tool? He just got 22 million from Sprint. Do you think Sprint is going anywhere?

laurarichardson said:

vainandy said:

Oh, I didn't buy "Fart Official Age" or "Shit N Run" from there or anywhere else for that matter. Not because of where they were sold, but because he sold out the way his music sounded so I just strictly didn't buy them at all. I don't give Prince a pass either. My days of buying something strictly because Prince made were over by then. To buy something and then bitch about it does no good because Prince had your money whether you liked the product or not. The best way to show you don't like a product is to make them feel it in the pocketbook. Now, "Purple Rain Deluxe", on the other hand, I bought it on the first day of release and even called Best Buy a few days early to make sure they had it before wasting my time driving up there. And if they didn't have it, I would have searched all over the place for it. I gladly support things I like and if I don't like it, I don't spend one cent on it.

Prince grew up both albums are excellent.

I adore Art Official Age.

Okay let me put my little 2 cents in. Prince was the main person promoting Tidal. He said it was the only streaming system that he felt would pay him right. And I'm tired of people saying that Jay Z is doing this for money. THIS IS A BUSINESS!! Of course there is going to be money involved! We need to stop worrying about other people's money and worry about who is doing right by Prince. For every song that is played on Tidal, Prince was getting paid for and he was getting the amount of money he wanted and the other people were getting the amount they wanted. Either way somebody is getting paid, that's just how it works. *whew* Rant over

PR4Life said:

Okay let me put my little 2 cents in. Prince was the main person promoting Tidal. He said it was the only streaming system that he felt would pay him right. And I'm tired of people saying that Jay Z is doing this for money. THIS IS A BUSINESS!! Of course there is going to be money involved! We need to stop worrying about other people's money and worry about who is doing right by Prince. For every song that is played on Tidal, Prince was getting paid for and he was getting the amount of money he wanted and the other people were getting the amount they wanted. Either way somebody is getting paid, that's just how it works. *whew* Rant over

Co-sign. People act like Prince had a gun put to his head when he signed with Tidal. He wanted a bigger royalty rate and he got what he wanted. Now there are people trying to undo and none seem to see the problem with breaking a contracual document because some idiot lawyer wants to get a check

Damn it! It's just too much going on all over the internet today, I can barely keep up. Anyhoo, here's my quick two cents about this. I'm with Jay-Z and I'm not mad at him for speaking on it. Everybody KNOWS damn well if Prince hadn't died, his music would not be all over Spotify and the rest. That shit happened literally...over his dead body.

Whatever the deal was he had with Tidal, it's what he wanted iin the end because it was still in place and likely was going to continue. For all of Londell's wheeling and dealing, the estate honestly doesn't seem to be any better off for it, now does it?

I'll be back later.

mdmeridius said:

vainandy said:

Oh, I didn't buy "Fart Official Age" or "Shit N Run" from there or anywhere else for that matter. Not because of where they were sold, but because he sold out the way his music sounded so I just strictly didn't buy them at all. I don't give Prince a pass either. My days of buying something strictly because Prince made were over by then. To buy something and then bitch about it does no good because Prince had your money whether you liked the product or not. The best way to show you don't like a product is to make them feel it in the pocketbook. Now, "Purple Rain Deluxe", on the other hand, I bought it on the first day of release and even called Best Buy a few days early to make sure they had it before wasting my time driving up there. And if they didn't have it, I would have searched all over the place for it. I gladly support things I like and if I don't like it, I don't spend one cent on it.

If you're against streaming and you didn't buy them, how did you listen to the albums to decide that you didn't want to buy them?

I'm not against streaming. I'm against paying for streaming. Why pay for something you can't keep. That would be like paying to listen to the radio which would be ridiculous. How did I hear the albums without buying them? Oh, I have my sources.

laurarichardson said:

vainandy said:

Oh, I didn't buy "Fart Official Age" or "Shit N Run" from there or anywhere else for that matter. Not because of where they were sold, but because he sold out the way his music sounded so I just strictly didn't buy them at all. I don't give Prince a pass either. My days of buying something strictly because Prince made were over by then. To buy something and then bitch about it does no good because Prince had your money whether you liked the product or not. The best way to show you don't like a product is to make them feel it in the pocketbook. Now, "Purple Rain Deluxe", on the other hand, I bought it on the first day of release and even called Best Buy a few days early to make sure they had it before wasting my time driving up there. And if they didn't have it, I would have searched all over the place for it. I gladly support things I like and if I don't like it, I don't spend one cent on it.

Prince grew up both albums are excellent.

He grew up? Sounds to me like he started playing in the sandbox. Hell, he even got a little teenager to produce it.

Jay Z is no better than LM. He's after the $$.
Prince pulled a no show on Jay Z for a reason at one of His benifits concerts. I will side with P any day...plus he told all his fans to support our local record stores with finding his last hit and run. That's exactly what I did.
I do not support Tidal and think the time with them and P was coming to an end.

And it looks like Eric Benet has responded to JZ song.

Hey yo #Jayz! Just so ya know, I got the baddest girl in the world as my wife....like right now!

http://www.billboard.com/...se-twitter

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Then why was Prince providing exclusive music to Tidal days before his passing?

PennyPurple said:

And it looks like Eric Benet has responded to JZ song.

Hey yo #Jayz! Just so ya know, I got the baddest girl in the world as my wife....like right now!

http://www.billboard.com/...se-twitter

Geez, I had to go and re-read the lyrics, but yeah, it all kinda weird that Prince and Eric get mentioned in the same song.

Afterall is said and done I much more prefer frustation come out this way as opposed to in ways that seem like an fu to the fans.

1Sasha said:

I agree

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

--Please explain how Prince not showing up for a Tidal event means anything when he broadcast a whole concert via Tidal. He was still sending content a week before he died and had tweeted he wanted to put the Atlanta concert on Tidal. What part of all this are some you not understanding. These were his wishes sealed with a contract. Yes, Jay-Z is after the content that the estate may be contrually obligated to provide. If he paid for something he should get what he paid for. Do you think Prince sent music to Tidal for free?
[Edited 6/30/17 15:38pm]

vainandy said:

I'm surprised you ain't auction off the casket

And this is supposed to be a businessman? Trash can't even use an "ed" at the end of "auction".

[Snip - luv4u]

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign

OldFriends4Sale said:

Tittypants said:

I really believe that the hate I see for Jay-Z, about Prince, on this site is race related. Not one person talking shit about him here can prove anything they claim.

No it isn't race based. A lot of the people who had a bad taste when this all happened prior, were African - American. Don't make assumptions when you don't know who is behind the screen.

Lots of African-Americans don't like Jay Z or Beyonce.

Strawman

Fans are upset about almost everything involving Prince

Don't assume it's not race-based, & PLEASE don't be so naive to this shit, because I am sure YOU don't know every person behind the screen either.


Btw, I'm still waiting for someone to provide all of these facts about Jay-Z being a snake, which I have yet to see.

Tittypants said:

--I have not seen any information pertaining to this case that shows he did something wrong however, we have another party that we know is crooked.

OperatingThetan said:

JorisE73 said:

Wow! Why should it be race related??
If Jay-Z was a white guy with the same shoddy busines practices and crap music I still wouldn't like him and would still say the same thing. I actually agree with some of those lyrics but in the end he's as much as a money grubbing corporate tool like Universal, WB or Londell. I would rather see Prince's family get some help from professionals with a proven track record regarding cultivating an estate and leave these clowns where they are.
Jay-Z should just sit down and understand that Prince just used him as another pawn.

But it is observable that the same level of hate and criticism is not levelled at Spotify here. And that is a streaming service Prince resolutely did not want his music available on, and that is exactly what has occured after his passing.

Meanwhile, many fans here attack the very streaming service Prince did approve and provide his music to during his lifetime.

Yup! Absolutely!