airth said:

FUNKNROLL said:

Got my copy via iTunes this morning.

NOT hearing any dropout at the beginning of EC.

Where is it in the timecode, for civilians?

I see the posted waveform says 00:07 or something... (at seven tenths of a second for a blink and you'll miss it moment?)

That's interesting because it's glaringly obvious, right at the beginning. If you're not hearing it, it's either been corrected or there's more than one source out there.

there is no dropout.

you people are tripping

bluegangsta said:

Doozer said:

I appreciate the scrutiny, not even on a technical/waveform level but just the act of listening carefully.

However, I'm still thrilled with the release. This morning, hearing Love and Sex for the first time, thinking THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANY BIT OF A PRINCE SONG…that just doesn't happen often. And, looking forward, there is no known date when it will happen again.

So, the release is not perfect. Show me a Prince release that is. Hell, I still get pissed hearing an audible "pop" in the first verse of SOTT on the CD and digital versions that has never been cleaned up.

Prince wasn't known for his audio perfection, and lived up to that reputation through his association with novices like Joshua Welton and the distortion/brickwalling on AOA and HNR 1. I don't love Prince for his perfection…if I did, I'd never be happy with any of his music.

Who knows where the blame is for the audio issues with the PR Deluxe release. Prince himself? WB? Seems like a combination of both, as the credit is squarely laid on Prince for the remaster ("overseen by Prince himself") and the obvious fact that Prince had nothing to do with approving tracks like We Can Fuck for release — wouldn't have happened in his lifetime. We're hearing stuff that Prince stashed away as not worthy/ready for release and/or too profane for the latter part of his career and life.

I didn't expect this release to be perfect (though I certainly didn't expect flawed versions of tracks that have previously been released in much better shape like Erotic City). However, I say BRING ON MORE IMPERFECTION cuz we ain't gettin' any younger and the vault tracks aren't improving in sound quality while a bunch of fuckup lawyers fight over who has the right to what, and fans like us are left sitting around wondering when and if there will be another release like this one.

Great. Justify mediocrity; and that's what you'll get.

i thought he had a great point.

why does everything have to perfect?

I mean, who gives a shit?

It's a goddamn pop song ffs.

I notice this with all remasters. You have to have great speakers to notice.

bluegangsta said:

Doozer said:

I appreciate the scrutiny, not even on a technical/waveform level but just the act of listening carefully.

However, I'm still thrilled with the release. This morning, hearing Love and Sex for the first time, thinking THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANY BIT OF A PRINCE SONG…that just doesn't happen often. And, looking forward, there is no known date when it will happen again.

So, the release is not perfect. Show me a Prince release that is. Hell, I still get pissed hearing an audible "pop" in the first verse of SOTT on the CD and digital versions that has never been cleaned up.

Prince wasn't known for his audio perfection, and lived up to that reputation through his association with novices like Joshua Welton and the distortion/brickwalling on AOA and HNR 1. I don't love Prince for his perfection…if I did, I'd never be happy with any of his music.

Who knows where the blame is for the audio issues with the PR Deluxe release. Prince himself? WB? Seems like a combination of both, as the credit is squarely laid on Prince for the remaster ("overseen by Prince himself") and the obvious fact that Prince had nothing to do with approving tracks like We Can Fuck for release — wouldn't have happened in his lifetime. We're hearing stuff that Prince stashed away as not worthy/ready for release and/or too profane for the latter part of his career and life.

I didn't expect this release to be perfect (though I certainly didn't expect flawed versions of tracks that have previously been released in much better shape like Erotic City). However, I say BRING ON MORE IMPERFECTION cuz we ain't gettin' any younger and the vault tracks aren't improving in sound quality while a bunch of fuckup lawyers fight over who has the right to what, and fans like us are left sitting around wondering when and if there will be another release like this one.

Great. Justify mediocrity; and that's what you'll get.

I'm saying I respect the criticism and that you're completely right; also will add that I enjoy your posts on the org and elsewhere. You're one of the best contributors to the org.

My acceptance, enjoyment or critique of releases like this won't improve or detract from the quality of any future releases. I have no hand in it and just want to have more. To think that because I'm happy with or critical of this release that WB or PP will give a shit is ridiculous to me. If you have more pull or feel like your critique makes a difference, awesome.

There is noone left at WB or PP who we would fully trust to do things right. Susan Rogers was involved with this release…did it make a huge difference in anyone's mind?

So yeah, considering all of that, I will take quantity over perfection. The quality in the tracks themselves is inherent to me already.

mothyham said:

bluegangsta said:

Great. Justify mediocrity; and that's what you'll get.

i thought he had a great point.

why does everything have to perfect?

I mean, who gives a shit?

It's a goddamn pop song ffs.

"It's a goddamn pop song ffs." Fuck. I can't believe you wrote that. We should have told Prince back in 76 not to bother going in the studio as his life's work would amount to nothing more than goddamn pop.

So "Homemade Deluxe Edition" it is, then (or Rhino's 2008).
It is my belief that fam.n.s are Prince's Work best curators.
This is — glitch — my opinion and I — pop — approve this message.

mothyham said:

bluegangsta said:

Great. Justify mediocrity; and that's what you'll get.

i thought he had a great point.

why does everything have to perfect?

I mean, who gives a shit?

It's a goddamn pop song ffs.

a lot of people give a shit because it's not just 'goddamn pop songs'...it's some of the most important pop music by one of the most important pop musicians EVER...IN THE WHOLE WORLD...EVER.

there should be pristine, archival quality editions of this music.

and, yes, some of us do actually listen to music on a hi-fi system that fills a room with music...and it makes a difference. that is the audience this music should be released to satisfy. that's how it was recorded. that's how prince heard it the last time he listened to it before he said 'yeah, that's the one. print'.

peedub said:

mothyham said:

i thought he had a great point.

why does everything have to perfect?

I mean, who gives a shit?

It's a goddamn pop song ffs.

a lot of people give a shit because it's not just 'goddamn pop songs'...it's some of the most important pop music by one of the most important pop musicians EVER...IN THE WHOLE WORLD...EVER.

there should be pristine, archival quality editions of this music.

and, yes, some of us do actually listen to music on a hi-fi system that fills a room with music...and it makes a difference. that is the audience this music should be released to satisfy. that's how it was recorded. that's how prince heard it the last time he listened to it before he said 'yeah, that's the one. print'.

peedub said:

mothyham said:

i thought he had a great point.

why does everything have to perfect?

I mean, who gives a shit?

It's a goddamn pop song ffs.

a lot of people give a shit because it's not just 'goddamn pop songs'...it's some of the most important pop music by one of the most important pop musicians EVER...IN THE WHOLE WORLD...EVER.

there should be pristine, archival quality editions of this music.

and, yes, some of us do actually listen to music on a hi-fi system that fills a room with music...and it makes a difference. that is the audience this music should be released to satisfy. that's how it was recorded. that's how prince heard it the last time he listened to it before he said 'yeah, that's the one. print'.

Well ok, poindexter.

look at it this way....how many times you already heard it?

how many times you gonna listen to it again?

Will it ever match the first time?

NOPE.

who cares....go listen and enjoy.

You are a negative person with a toxic energy and prince would want nothing to do with you.

He probably would ban you from listening to his music.

mothyham said:

peedub said:

a lot of people give a shit because it's not just 'goddamn pop songs'...it's some of the most important pop music by one of the most important pop musicians EVER...IN THE WHOLE WORLD...EVER.

there should be pristine, archival quality editions of this music.

and, yes, some of us do actually listen to music on a hi-fi system that fills a room with music...and it makes a difference. that is the audience this music should be released to satisfy. that's how it was recorded. that's how prince heard it the last time he listened to it before he said 'yeah, that's the one. print'.

Well ok, poindexter.

look at it this way....how many times you already heard it?

how many times you gonna listen to it again?

Will it ever match the first time?

NOPE.

who cares....go listen and enjoy.

You are a negative person with a toxic energy and prince would want nothing to do with you.

He probably would ban you from listening to his music.

whatever, dude. you asked, i answered. i'm not complaining and i'm enjoying the music quite a lot.

rogifan said:

mothyham said:

KingSausage said:

Still have my cd single of the 12" mix of Erotic City. I guess I'll chalk that up as the one to keep on digital hand on a playlist.

but I haven't even gotten my preordered package yet.... but it's supposed to be today.

TBH...i don't mind the audio "problems". Obviously we want it to be as perfect as possible, but hearing songs like Wonderful Ass and Possessed on clear audio and not some rough Youtube vid that's a copy of a copy is great enough.

KingSausage said:

JorisE73 said:

http://podcastjuice.net/category/shows/the-prince-podcast/

Interview with Dave Hampton. Engineer who did some work upgrading Paisley Park.

At about the 1:10 mark he explains why he is not involved and how he was approched in a unprofessional manner. WB and the estate managers are working with people who were not around because they do not want to speand money.

It is already starting to be about draining the estate of money to fill the pockets of lawyers who have caused more lawsuits and poor quality product then Prince every could have imagined.

laurarichardson said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

mothyham said:

peedub said:

a lot of people give a shit because it's not just 'goddamn pop songs'...it's some of the most important pop music by one of the most important pop musicians EVER...IN THE WHOLE WORLD...EVER.

there should be pristine, archival quality editions of this music.

and, yes, some of us do actually listen to music on a hi-fi system that fills a room with music...and it makes a difference. that is the audience this music should be released to satisfy. that's how it was recorded. that's how prince heard it the last time he listened to it before he said 'yeah, that's the one. print'.

Well ok, poindexter.

look at it this way....how many times you already heard it?

how many times you gonna listen to it again?

Will it ever match the first time?

NOPE.

who cares....go listen and enjoy.

You are a negative person with a toxic energy and prince would want nothing to do with you.

He probably would ban you from listening to his music.

Speak for yourself.
I pity you.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

As flawed as the release is, it's still better than what Prince would have given us. We would only have brick walled PR by Josh, if Prince had his way.

Now if it's true that after the first rerelease, the WB exclusivity clause expires, and Prince would then be free to release it as he saw fit, it would make sense (in Prince World), for him to lowball WB with a subpar set, and then unleash the goods with the dream PR Deluxe when it would be the most financially lucrative for him to do so.

mothyham said:

peedub said:

a lot of people give a shit because it's not just 'goddamn pop songs'...it's some of the most important pop music by one of the most important pop musicians EVER...IN THE WHOLE WORLD...EVER.

there should be pristine, archival quality editions of this music.

and, yes, some of us do actually listen to music on a hi-fi system that fills a room with music...and it makes a difference. that is the audience this music should be released to satisfy. that's how it was recorded. that's how prince heard it the last time he listened to it before he said 'yeah, that's the one. print'.

Well ok, poindexter.

look at it this way....how many times you already heard it?

how many times you gonna listen to it again?

Will it ever match the first time?

NOPE.

who cares....go listen and enjoy.

You are a negative person with a toxic energy and prince would want nothing to do with you.

He probably would ban you from listening to his music.

Well how nice of you.

On second thought, I envy you.

The day you'll listen to an analog "Prince" on a perfect system, you'll reach Kilimandjaro heights, to quote a french journalist. (or maybe you got nothing over 10kHz, who knows. Go see a specialist. On 2nd thought, 2. The other one for your rage)

...and we'll go: "’bout time! Pancakes are getting cold."

The most grevious thing glaring to me is the graphic design of the booklet... it's not pro on the inside with the text. The cover and outside and choice of photos is cool though... but that font and spacing and use of space is amateur... surprised since this is Warners.

ufoclub said:

I'll just say that I think it's cool overall that we have a whole disc dedicated to outtakes and extended cuts. That said, some of these decisions are lunacy.

The Dance Electric - 2014 outtake with that killer guitar solo is gone and would have kicked ass if remastered properly

The Erotic City 12" fuck up at the beginning is inexcusable.

There is ZERO reason to have both the edits and extended versions of the b-sides, other than to fill up disc space. Seriously, total waste. Just keep the extended versions.

And anybody notice that each b-side has their extended counterpart EXCEPT 17 Days? What is up with that?? It's the one version that probably very very fews fans have even previously heard. Aside from Questlove.

I would love to see remaster treatment to the rest of his "classic essentials", even Dream Factory would be pretty cool. But do we really want other people handling Prince's music at this point? Makes you wonder if the only person capable was really him. The control freak that he was wouldn't have allowed this silliness.

Sorry for whining

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Could you give me some examples for hi-fi audio systems?

bluegangsta said: