embmmusic said:

bluegangsta said:

I have to say; I've posted this thread in a couple of Facebook groups and have recieved a shit-ton of personal attacks for it. Really nasty stuff, actually. It's unbelievable the amount of people who've not understood (and refused to be educated) the purpose of highlighting these imperfections or take it as a critisism of Prince's work. I've even gone to the effort of explaining it to them in the comments - which has resulted in more incredibly mean attacks.

I get that hearing Prince music in any capacity is great (Hello?! Bootleg collector here?!), but fuck - why support stuff like this when you'll continue to get products that aren't what they could be? Why give a dog a treat for rolling over, when all they've done is sit there and lick their balls?

And here I thought Prince fans were a lot more sane than MJ fans.

[Edited 6/26/17 8:40am]

No, Prince fans are definitely insane. Huge amount of sycophants on this forum and the various FB pages that see him as some kind of infallible God (these people have clearly never listened to Jughead....)

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They will accept any scraps that people throw at them and will never accept that any of it is less than perfect. And for some reason they will defend it to the death despite having no personal stake in it whatsoever.

while some ARE fanatical to an extent, what about the opposite. Meaning those worrying about every nook and cranny in his songs? It is just as absurd.

rdhull said:

embmmusic said:

No, Prince fans are definitely insane. Huge amount of sycophants on this forum and the various FB pages that see him as some kind of infallible God (these people have clearly never listened to Jughead....)

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They will accept any scraps that people throw at them and will never accept that any of it is less than perfect. And for some reason they will defend it to the death despite having no personal stake in it whatsoever.

while some ARE fanatical to an extent, what about the opposite. Meaning those worrying about every nook and cranny in his songs? It is just as absurd.

But this thread and analysis has next to nothing to do with the songs - it's about the way Warner Brothers have presented them?

I honestly can't understand why people think I've been criticizing the music. I've been enjoying the new stuff as much, if not; more than most people - just as I would if it was on a shitty bootleg.

bluegangsta said:

rdhull said:

while some ARE fanatical to an extent, what about the opposite. Meaning those worrying about every nook and cranny in his songs? It is just as absurd.

But this thread and analysis has next to nothing to do with the songs - it's about the way Warner Brothers have presented them?

I honestly can't understand why people think I've been criticizing the music. I've been enjoying the new stuff as much, if not; more than most people - just as I would if it was on a shitty bootleg.

uh huh

KingSausage said:

Prince fans -- both on this crazy site and elsewhere -- have always had a hard time with anyone critiquing the shitty aspects of Princeworld. Any evaluation or analysis is seen as negative. It makes it incredibly difficult to have real critical discussions about his work or, as is the case here, how his work is presented. Also, people are dicks.

King size

rdhull said:

KingSausage said:

rdhull said:

King size

bluegangsta said:

I get that hearing Prince music in any capacity is great (Hello?! Bootleg collector here?!), but fuck - why support stuff like this when you'll continue to get products that aren't what they could be? Why give a dog a treat for rolling over, when all they've done is sit there and lick their balls?

[Edited 6/26/17 8:40am]

I understand that they could have done better, but what exactly do you expect people to do because of WB's handling of things? So, we knew about the problems by Wednesday night when it leaked--we don't want to support this shoddy product because we want them to do better (and the estate when they release stuff). And so we don't support it--we all cancel our preorders, we don't go on Friday morning to pick up a copy officially.

And we hope like crazy that somebody else buys the release, because the hardcores didn't. And instead of getting an imperfect release of another set a year or two from now, or a DVD, we get another greatest hits with one or two new tracks (maybe), because, well, there's apparently no market for anything else.

rdhull said:

KingSausage said:

Prince fans -- both on this crazy site and elsewhere -- have always had a hard time with anyone critiquing the shitty aspects of Princeworld. Any evaluation or analysis is seen as negative. It makes it incredibly difficult to have real critical discussions about his work or, as is the case here, how his work is presented. Also, people are dicks.

King size

You are so funny and so... i don't know.

EddieC said:

bluegangsta said:

I get that hearing Prince music in any capacity is great (Hello?! Bootleg collector here?!), but fuck - why support stuff like this when you'll continue to get products that aren't what they could be? Why give a dog a treat for rolling over, when all they've done is sit there and lick their balls?

[Edited 6/26/17 8:40am]

I understand that they could have done better, but what exactly do you expect people to do because of WB's handling of things? So, we knew about the problems by Wednesday night when it leaked--we don't want to support this shoddy product because we want them to do better (and the estate when they release stuff). And so we don't support it--we all cancel our preorders, we don't go on Friday morning to pick up a copy officially.

And we hope like crazy that somebody else buys the release, because the hardcores didn't. And instead of getting an imperfect release of another set a year or two from now, or a DVD, we get another greatest hits with one or two new tracks (maybe), because, well, there's apparently no market for anything else.

I didn't get the sense that bluegangsta was saying we shouldn't buy the release, but rather, that we should be vocal about the problems instead of saying, "everything's fine, stop complaining!"

WB are no doubt reading the feedback, and I want them to know that, while I enjoy the good parts of this set a lot, I've got my credit card ready for a proper future remaster of Purple Rain...

eyewishuheaven said:

EddieC said:

I understand that they could have done better, but what exactly do you expect people to do because of WB's handling of things? So, we knew about the problems by Wednesday night when it leaked--we don't want to support this shoddy product because we want them to do better (and the estate when they release stuff). And so we don't support it--we all cancel our preorders, we don't go on Friday morning to pick up a copy officially.

And we hope like crazy that somebody else buys the release, because the hardcores didn't. And instead of getting an imperfect release of another set a year or two from now, or a DVD, we get another greatest hits with one or two new tracks (maybe), because, well, there's apparently no market for anything else.

I didn't get the sense that bluegangsta was saying we shouldn't buy the release, but rather, that we should be vocal about the problems instead of saying, "everything's fine, stop complaining!"

WB are no doubt reading the feedback, and I want them to know that, while I enjoy the good parts of this set a lot, I've got my credit card ready for a proper future remaster of Purple Rain...

Fine. By all means, complain--I doubt they care much, but maybe they do. People have refused to buy directly from Prince in the past because they didn't like some aspect of the product other than the music itself (his customer service, his choice of format] while still obtaining the music in some other way, so it's not impossible that when bluegangsta suggested people not support this release that that was what was meant. Or maybe only buy it once, in one format, rather than buying it multiple times, in multiple formats (which many people have also done, at least in part to show support or approval for a release approach).

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

I said from the very beginning that WB was not going to make a big investment in this project.

See the article below about their financial problems. They simply want to make a quick buck which does not mean if they end of putting out all of the material we the public will get a lot of product but not with quality and care because WB needs money.

So do you think this is not a quality product? I'm so glad I'm not an audiophile as I don't think I would ever enjoy anything as I'd always find something not quite right. This dropped on iTunes last night and I've been enjoying it ever since. 🙂 [Edited 6/23/17 5:08am]

same here. I suspect most people fall in this category but just aren't as vocal. It doesn't mean we don't appreciate good sound but, atleast in my case, I'm more focused on the content/message of the song. Prince himself didn't seem to be overly concerned with sound quality.

KingSausage said:

mothyham said:

Well ok, poindexter.

look at it this way....how many times you already heard it?

how many times you gonna listen to it again?

Will it ever match the first time?

NOPE.

who cares....go listen and enjoy.

You are a negative person with a toxic energy and prince would want nothing to do with you.

He probably would ban you from listening to his music.

I've been on the Org since 1999. This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read. Congrats.

Seconded.

ForceofNature said:

justalongtimefan said:

Why are people never happy?

Because the loudness war sucks big time

Glitches aside, (yeah, they suck) and regardless of the hot mastering of PR, I'm loving this re-release.

I don't see what's wrong in Blugangsta complaining about a product that's being sold by a company.

I'm always very careful before criticizing an artist's work or even the way they "package" it, because I'm myself an artist and I know how complex and touchy those matters are.

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But here we're talking about the faults of a product made by a company, without the deceased artist's having had a say in said product, and no one has ever talked about criticizing the music on it.

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My point is that while I can take shit from an artist every once in a while and yet support their creative process, while I could admitedly accept a small label that's struggling to survive in order to support artists making mistakes, I do not see why I should condone the third biggest records label in the world being lazy or careless with the sound quality, tracks selection and liner notes of a posthumous product by an important artist.

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The music's been recorded already, and the original album was compiled (and even remastered) already. All they had to do was curating. If the curating sucks and they wanna sell it to me for 40 bucks, I believe it's OK to say no. If the liner notes are mistaken about recording dates informations that any dummy could have found on Princevault, I say there's a problem, or if Princevault is wrong then they should address it in the liner notes. I say there shouldn't be glitches or drop outs in the sound because, had Prince been alive, this would have never happened (or he would have snapped at the record company!).

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Now the average consumer will probably never notice either the glitches, liner notes errors or other issues, and maybe WB aren't paying attention to what people on fanboards and boards such as Hoffman's. But maybe they are. I can't hurt saying out loud that the job was poorly done.

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The worst part is that those people who attacked Blugangster on social networks were probably those same ones who used to bitch day-in day-out about Crystal Ball being shipped late, NPGMC files quality, DRM's on late NPGMC files, lifelong NPGMC membership, Prince abandoning Lotusflow3r.com one minute after we'd all paid, the mixing of his albums and so on...

macdonaldsian said:

I wish they would have pulled his vocals forward. The valut contents is as it was left, but it still needs to be run threw some machine to get it to the listening public. Could someone just put the vocal tracks upfront so we can hear HIM. This wouldn't minimize or change what's be left. The quality is wrong for so many reasons.

That would mean changing the mix, which is not what mastering is about.

leecaldon said:

macdonaldsian said:

I wish they would have pulled his vocals forward. The valut contents is as it was left, but it still needs to be run threw some machine to get it to the listening public. Could someone just put the vocal tracks upfront so we can hear HIM. This wouldn't minimize or change what's be left. The quality is wrong for so many reasons.

That would mean changing the mix, which is not what mastering is about.

We have no one to blame but Prince and Joshua for that. Warners did not mix multi-tracks according to the linear notes. Josh and Prince did that on their own in his studio. In my opinion, the errors are minor in comparison to 90% of the rest. I know what you mean though having heard the Srgt. Pepper remix, which is in my opinion outstanding in how they buffed up the background vocals and gave up to date stereo mixing compared to the past 'stereo' mix.

rdhull said:

embmmusic said:

No, Prince fans are definitely insane. Huge amount of sycophants on this forum and the various FB pages that see him as some kind of infallible God (these people have clearly never listened to Jughead....)

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They will accept any scraps that people throw at them and will never accept that any of it is less than perfect. And for some reason they will defend it to the death despite having no personal stake in it whatsoever.

while some ARE fanatical to an extent, what about the opposite. Meaning those worrying about every nook and cranny in his songs? It is just as absurd.

Right, there are editing errors in several of his songs:

Joy In Repetition intro (setreo audience sound to mono error with sudden fingernap, and outro (cut off except on cassette version)
Revelation (end hi hats suddenly stop)
17 Days (Brenda Bennet's vocal error close to the end)

Purple Rain (hi hat pan shift error close to the end)

Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (known for the muddy mix but kept that way)
La La Means I Love You (Delfonics sample edit error before the song comes on)

but hey we move on.

As stated in the liner notes, Prince was not too concerned alot about errors but more about if it sounded good. I do understand the mild complaints but some people really have to beat the horse down.

paisleypark4 said:

rdhull said:

while some ARE fanatical to an extent, what about the opposite. Meaning those worrying about every nook and cranny in his songs? It is just as absurd.

Right, there are editing errors in several of his songs:

Joy In Repetition intro (setreo audience sound to mono error with sudden fingernap, and outro (cut off except on cassette version)
Revelation (end hi hats suddenly stop)
17 Days (Brenda Bennet's vocal error close to the end)

Purple Rain (hi hat pan shift error close to the end)

Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (known for the muddy mix but kept that way)
La La Means I Love You (Delfonics sample edit error before the song comes on)

but hey we move on.

As stated in the liner notes, Prince was not too concerned alot about errors but more about if it sounded good. I do understand the mild complaints but some people really have to beat the horse down.

Oh, would you look at that, yet another person who hasn't comprehended the fucking thread.

What was outlined in the first post were erros that could have easily been fixed.

What they hell is so hard to understand?

bluegangsta said:

paisleypark4 said:

Right, there are editing errors in several of his songs:

Joy In Repetition intro (setreo audience sound to mono error with sudden fingernap, and outro (cut off except on cassette version)
Revelation (end hi hats suddenly stop)
17 Days (Brenda Bennet's vocal error close to the end)

Purple Rain (hi hat pan shift error close to the end)

Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (known for the muddy mix but kept that way)
La La Means I Love You (Delfonics sample edit error before the song comes on)

but hey we move on.

As stated in the liner notes, Prince was not too concerned alot about errors but more about if it sounded good. I do understand the mild complaints but some people really have to beat the horse down.

Oh, would you look at that, yet another person who hasn't comprehended the fucking thread.

What was outlined in the first post were erros that could have easily been fixed.

What they hell is so hard to understand?

I understand now about THIS thread subject matter.

bluegangsta said:

paisleypark4 said:

Right, there are editing errors in several of his songs:

Joy In Repetition intro (setreo audience sound to mono error with sudden fingernap, and outro (cut off except on cassette version)
Revelation (end hi hats suddenly stop)
17 Days (Brenda Bennet's vocal error close to the end)

Purple Rain (hi hat pan shift error close to the end)

Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (known for the muddy mix but kept that way)
La La Means I Love You (Delfonics sample edit error before the song comes on)

but hey we move on.

As stated in the liner notes, Prince was not too concerned alot about errors but more about if it sounded good. I do understand the mild complaints but some people really have to beat the horse down.

Oh, would you look at that, yet another person who hasn't comprehended the fucking thread.

What was outlined in the first post were erros that could have easily been fixed.

What they hell is so hard to understand?

databank said:

I don't see what's wrong in Blugangsta complaining about a product that's being sold by a company.

I'm always very careful before criticizing an artist's work or even the way they "package" it, because I'm myself an artist and I know how complex and touchy those matters are.

.

But here we're talking about the faults of a product made by a company, without the deceased artist's having had a say in said product, and no one has ever talked about criticizing the music on it.

.

My point is that while I can take shit from an artist every once in a while and yet support their creative process, while I could admitedly accept a small label that's struggling to survive in order to support artists making mistakes, I do not see why I should condone the third biggest records label in the world being lazy or careless with the sound quality, tracks selection and liner notes of a posthumous product by an important artist.

.

The music's been recorded already, and the original album was compiled (and even remastered) already. All they had to do was curating. If the curating sucks and they wanna sell it to me for 40 bucks, I believe it's OK to say no. If the liner notes are mistaken about recording dates informations that any dummy could have found on Princevault, I say there's a problem, or if Princevault is wrong then they should address it in the liner notes. I say there shouldn't be glitches or drop outs in the sound because, had Prince been alive, this would have never happened (or he would have snapped at the record company!).

.

Now the average consumer will probably never notice either the glitches, liner notes errors or other issues, and maybe WB aren't paying attention to what people on fanboards and boards such as Hoffman's. But maybe they are. I can't hurt saying out loud that the job was poorly done.

.

The worst part is that those people who attacked Blugangster on social networks were probably those same ones who used to bitch day-in day-out about Crystal Ball being shipped late, NPGMC files quality, DRM's on late NPGMC files, lifelong NPGMC membership, Prince abandoning Lotusflow3r.com one minute after we'd all paid, the mixing of his albums and so on...

Its good to voice the errors, but going out of your way with several Org posts and facbook posts about small errors and say we wont support it is reaching. Its like..YAAA WE KNOW, that's very nice and thank you, jeez.

paisleypark4 said:

bluegangsta said:

Oh, would you look at that, yet another person who hasn't comprehended the fucking thread.

What was outlined in the first post were erros that could have easily been fixed.

What they hell is so hard to understand?

Yep, you can't even address your inane reply to the thread. You're a great asset to this forum.

I've read most of the reviews about this set -- good, bad and indifferent.

Honest question: is it worth buying as a "supplemental" addition to my collection?

I've seen a few people here who've already fixed Erotic City and Computer Blue (who might be willing to share), and I would just use my previous Purple Rain disc for the album itself.

bluegangsta said:

paisleypark4 said:

Yep, you can't even address your inane reply to the thread. You're a great asset to this forum.

I am I been on here for 15 years and 4 months.

Anyway, All i did was point out several errors throughout Prince's career and it made you feel some type of way, its not my problem. my issue was with you saying you don't know WHY WE WOULD SUPPORT THIS RELEASE?