bonatoc said:

There's still the unbelievable possiblity of Prince not being given the usual consumer's bag of drugs, but being given a dealer's bag, uncut, just by accident.

Tim Buckley mistook heroine for cocaine and OD'ed on the spot.

I'm considering the poisoning/murder for lack of better information, but I need a mobile.
I really don't think Prince was a threat to society.
Going down that path, there's Jimi, Janis, Jim, Marilyn, Kurt and countless orders that were wiped out because of some supreme order.

you believe those folks were murdered? where's the evidence?

PennyPurple said:

In Hennepin County alone in 2016 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away from fentanyl od. So it is very possible that there were a bad batch of pills in that area and Prince got ahold of some of them in that bad batch.

Also in this report it also mentions the Watson 385 that were falsely stamped with Watson 385 on them.

Penny, I've been trying to track other reports down. Do you have a link to this? My big beef is there are at least 2 reports (AP from 8/16 and this tox report article this thread is on), which state the fake pills had a stamp of Watson 385. Now you have another article that's not even related to Prince that states the fake stamp was also Watson 385, but yet the "can't possibly make a tranposition error" investigators documented the pills found at PP were stamped Watson 853.... HUGE DIFFERENCE! The 385's were discontinued in 2013 due to current laws and allowable levels of acetamenophine. (I've said this ad nauseum). If in fact these pills were stamped 853 and are currently still being manufactured, I can't see where the actual manufacturer wouldn't have been investigated like when the tylenol was yanked due to some idiot lacing them with cyanide,regardless of the fact that the tylenol was an OTC product. Something that has been been discontinued (such as the 385's) are more likely to be automatically seen as conterfeit. JS-please send link, or orgnote it.

Thanks Penny!

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

In Hennepin County alone in 2016 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away from fentanyl od. So it is very possible that there were a bad batch of pills in that area and Prince got ahold of some of them in that bad batch.

Also in this report it also mentions the Watson 385 that were falsely stamped with Watson 385 on them.

Penny, I've been trying to track other reports down. Do you have a link to this? My big beef is there are at least 2 reports (AP from 8/16 and this tox report article this thread is on), which state the fake pills had a stamp of Watson 385. Now you have another article that's not even related to Prince that states the fake stamp was also Watson 385, but yet the "can't possibly make a tranposition error" investigators documented the pills found at PP were stamped Watson 853.... HUGE DIFFERENCE! The 385's were discontinued in 2013 due to current laws and allowable levels of acetamenophine. (I've said this ad nauseum). If in fact these pills were stamped 853 and are currently still being manufactured, I can't see where the actual manufacturer wouldn't have been investigated like when the tylenol was yanked due to some idiot lacing them with cyanide,regardless of the fact that the tylenol was an OTC product. Something that has been been discontinued (such as the 385's) are more likely to be automatically seen as conterfeit. JS-please send link, or orgnote it.

Thanks Penny!

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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In the story it is saying that 2 dozen of the tablets Prince had contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocain, and a newer drug called U-4770 or U-4 on the street

cloveringold85 said:

morningsong said:

I miss the days when orgers would tear folks shreds for not backing up their stuff. Now folks are coming in here blurting out any and every type of garbage they can get their hands on. It's annoying.

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Like I said, I was just bringing up a conversation about the Chef that has been mentioned here dozens of times on the Org. It's nothing new. You can look up the old thread if you think I am making it up.

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I was trying to be nice to you and use some humor, but you seem really uptight.

You are probably right it's been talked about on the org. Those are not conversations I've participated in. This one I am. And I've said exactly what I think of what I'm reading. It's dumb. No one has presented any credible evidence beyond a lot of jaw wagging speculation I don't care who says it. The problem is there are actual living people receiving death threats behind these rumors, that's what has me pissed. This is no longer humorous fun speculation. Why would any decent person want to keep adding fuel to this fire?

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Penny, I've been trying to track other reports down. Do you have a link to this? My big beef is there are at least 2 reports (AP from 8/16 and this tox report article this thread is on), which state the fake pills had a stamp of Watson 385. Now you have another article that's not even related to Prince that states the fake stamp was also Watson 385, but yet the "can't possibly make a tranposition error" investigators documented the pills found at PP were stamped Watson 853.... HUGE DIFFERENCE! The 385's were discontinued in 2013 due to current laws and allowable levels of acetamenophine. (I've said this ad nauseum). If in fact these pills were stamped 853 and are currently still being manufactured, I can't see where the actual manufacturer wouldn't have been investigated like when the tylenol was yanked due to some idiot lacing them with cyanide,regardless of the fact that the tylenol was an OTC product. Something that has been been discontinued (such as the 385's) are more likely to be automatically seen as conterfeit. JS-please send link, or orgnote it.

Thanks Penny!

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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In the story it is saying that 2 dozen of the tablets Prince had contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocain, and a newer drug called U-4770 or U-4 on the street

Ok, so the article you were referencing,the one you just linked to and the OP article for this thread are all one in the same...before you linked it, I thought you had found another/different article. Thanks

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Penny, I've been trying to track other reports down. Do you have a link to this? My big beef is there are at least 2 reports (AP from 8/16 and this tox report article this thread is on), which state the fake pills had a stamp of Watson 385. Now you have another article that's not even related to Prince that states the fake stamp was also Watson 385, but yet the "can't possibly make a tranposition error" investigators documented the pills found at PP were stamped Watson 853.... HUGE DIFFERENCE! The 385's were discontinued in 2013 due to current laws and allowable levels of acetamenophine. (I've said this ad nauseum). If in fact these pills were stamped 853 and are currently still being manufactured, I can't see where the actual manufacturer wouldn't have been investigated like when the tylenol was yanked due to some idiot lacing them with cyanide,regardless of the fact that the tylenol was an OTC product. Something that has been been discontinued (such as the 385's) are more likely to be automatically seen as conterfeit. JS-please send link, or orgnote it.

Thanks Penny!

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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In the story it is saying that 2 dozen of the tablets Prince had contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocain, and a newer drug called U-4770 or U-4 on the street

I think a few of us are completely focused on the pill that actually killed Prince. What was the actually stamp on that pill? And yes it makes a major difference what number was on it. Given the public information that's been presented there is a serious mix up that has not been addressed and it's pissing a few of us off.

morningsong said:

PennyPurple said:

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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In the story it is saying that 2 dozen of the tablets Prince had contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocain, and a newer drug called U-4770 or U-4 on the street

I think a few of us are completely focused on the pill that actually killed Prince. What was the actually stamp on that pill? And yes it makes a major difference what number was on it. Given the public information that's been presented there is a serious mix up that has not been addressed and it's pissing a few of us off.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 5/25/17 11:18am]

It is quite possible that Prince's dependency on pain pills only began to worsen in the last couple of years of his life. If that's the case, then no one would have noticed something was "off" with him. Prince admitted to taking one or two pain pills that night when they had the emergency in Moline, according to reports for the Time Tribune. Prince did not have an Rx for Percocet, but KJ did. First KJ says he did not know Prince had any addiction to opiates, then he changes his story.

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Witnesses at Prince’s death scene told investigators that the musician had been struggling with opioid abuse and withdrawal. Johnson, who was also the head of Paisley Park security, told authorities that Prince reported “not feeling well” in the hours before he died. But Johnson, despite being close to the singer since the 1980s, told investigators that he didn’t know that Prince was addicted to pain medication.

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http://www.startribune.co...419614143/

precioux said:

morningsong said:

I think a few of us are completely focused on the pill that actually killed Prince. What was the actually stamp on that pill? And yes it makes a major difference what number was on it. Given the public information that's been presented there is a serious mix up that has not been addressed and it's pissing a few of us off.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 5/25/17 11:18am]

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I agree. Now, if only investigators can track-down what the actual "stamp" was on that pill (which I'm sure they are trying to do right now).

cloveringold85 said:

Yes, agree with Morningsong too

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

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“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

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Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

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“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

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http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney

What do you call 500 attorneys at the bottom of the river?

rdhull said:

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney

What do you call 500 attorneys at the bottom of the river?

A good start!!!

purplethunder3121 said:

rdhull said:

What do you call 500 attorneys at the bottom of the river?

A good start!!!

bingo!

rdhull said:

purplethunder3121 said:

A good start!!!

bingo!

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purplethunder3121 said:

LOL best post yet today!!

purplethunder3121 said:

[Edited 5/25/17 14:02pm]

PeteSilas said:

bonatoc said:

There's still the unbelievable possiblity of Prince not being given the usual consumer's bag of drugs, but being given a dealer's bag, uncut, just by accident.

Tim Buckley mistook heroine for cocaine and OD'ed on the spot.

I'm considering the poisoning/murder for lack of better information, but I need a mobile.
I really don't think Prince was a threat to society.
Going down that path, there's Jimi, Janis, Jim, Marilyn, Kurt and countless orders that were wiped out because of some supreme order.

you believe those folks were murdered? where's the evidence?

I know, right? Still, some Doors fan or Monroe fans will tell you there was someone behind, or at least another reason than the official given.
Which is not that absurd.
With such odd circumstances around Prince's death, I understand how one can consider the "accident" (mislabeled pill) as something not plausibly accidental.

I didn't say it was my point of view. But "unless proven otherwise" goes both directions.

It's still interesting to me that Adrian Crutchfield asked to do a second podcast with Funkenberry where he specifically shot down the drug addict meme. Apparently there is a history of addiction in his family and when he was younger he even was a dealer. So it seems like he would know the signs of an addict pretty well.

As I mentioned in a previous post about a seminar I attended people can and do get hooked on this stuff quite quickly. You don't have to be a long term user to become addicted. And what the medical community prescribes is ridiculous. One woman said her son was prescribed 20 Percocet just for having his wisdom teeth pulled. Another said the doctor gave him a prescription for 60 Percocet after he had shoulder surgery. The real issue is the medical community needs to find and promote other ways of treating people. Insurance companies should say no we won't pay for the Percocet but we will pay for a chiropractor. A high school kid shouldn't be given an opioid prescription for a concussio. nThese drugs should only be given to those with serious end of life health issues like cancer patients or to those in hospice.

morningsong said:

PennyPurple said:

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

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In the story it is saying that 2 dozen of the tablets Prince had contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocain, and a newer drug called U-4770 or U-4 on the street

I think a few of us are completely focused on the pill that actually killed Prince. What was the actually stamp on that pill? And yes it makes a major difference what number was on it. Given the public information that's been presented there is a serious mix up that has not been addressed and it's pissing a few of us off.

I know, you have what's in the warrant, and then you have what's in the media. I don't know which is correct. I would tend to think the warrant is...but then again if LE made this mistake it is HUGE.

PennyPurple said:

morningsong said:

I think a few of us are completely focused on the pill that actually killed Prince. What was the actually stamp on that pill? And yes it makes a major difference what number was on it. Given the public information that's been presented there is a serious mix up that has not been addressed and it's pissing a few of us off.

I know, you have what's in the warrant, and then you have what's in the media. I don't know which is correct. I would tend to think the warrant is...but then again if LE made this mistake it is HUGE.

I don't either. I feel like a good chuck of the information given so far has just crumbled in my hands.


Who is the reliable source?

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

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“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

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Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

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“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

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http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

so i guess THIS wont be believed because its a lawyer...just like sinead....and the prince-o-phants believe what they want

luvsexy4all said:

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

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“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

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Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

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“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

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http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

so i guess THIS wont be believed because its a lawyer...just like sinead....and the prince-o-phants believe what they want

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Well, I take what Duane and his Lawyer says with a grain of salt, because Duane's been known to change his story quite often to fit his agenda.

rdhull said:

What do you call 500 attorneys at the bottom of the river?

purplethunder3121 said:

A good start!!!

cloveringold85 said:

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

LOL best post yet today!!

rogifan said:

[Edited 5/25/17 14:02pm]

Hysterical, right????

I sure do hope after that dissing that none of you have any further questions for the one attorney who is still coming to this board and providing information, explanations, and decrypting legal-speak whenever asked. Really bad decision.

luvsexy4all said:

cloveringold85 said:

The revelation that Prince may have been a long-term drug user didn’t surprise Michael Padden, an attorney who represented the musician’s half-brother and half-sister in litigation previously – some against Prince himself.

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“The way it was described to me was that, yes, it was something that was consistent use,” Padden said.

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Prince’s siblings had mentioned his drug use in the course of conversation, unrelated to litigation, suggesting he had used cocaine and Percocet since the 1980s.

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“It wasn’t just casual,” Padden said. “Something I want to make clear: Prince used because it’d make him a better performer; he wasn’t doing it just for kicks.”

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http://www.irishtimes.com...-1.2631019

so i guess THIS wont be believed because its a lawyer...just like sinead....and the prince-o-phants believe what they want

Now you tell me? Of all the people that has had personal contact with Prince over the years, including Mayte who just wrote a book. George Clinton a well-known ex-user. Of all the people who have said he did not use. The one person is a lawyer for a client that is now deceased is the one saying it.

morningsong said:

that is what has happened...
I will go with Prince and the countless others that said he did not use.

Mumio said:

rdhull said:

What do you call 500 attorneys at the bottom of the river?

rogifan said:

[Edited 5/25/17 14:02pm]

Hysterical, right????

I sure do hope after that dissing that none of you have any further questions for the one attorney who is still coming to this board and providing information, explanations, and decrypting legal-speak whenever asked. Really bad decision.

I could give a f about a lawyer here giving out info. I dont live and die for this shit like some of yall. Im not hanging on to any of this nonsense.
Look at you..all over this well-worn old lawyer joke

Please dont ever hear the "your mama" jokes because youll have a breakdown when you hear them

rdhull said:

Mumio said:

Hysterical, right????

I sure do hope after that dissing that none of you have any further questions for the one attorney who is still coming to this board and providing information, explanations, and decrypting legal-speak whenever asked. Really bad decision.

I could give a f about a lawyer here giving out info. I dont live and die for this shit like some of yall. Im not hanging on to any of this nonsense.
Look at you..all over this well-worn old lawyer joke

Please dont ever hear the "your mama" jokes because youll have a breakdown when you hear them

lighten up hull, just a lil' humor.

rdhull said:

Mumio said:

Hysterical, right????

I sure do hope after that dissing that none of you have any further questions for the one attorney who is still coming to this board and providing information, explanations, and decrypting legal-speak whenever asked. Really bad decision.

I could give a f about a lawyer here giving out info. I dont live and die for this shit like some of yall. Im not hanging on to any of this nonsense.
Look at you..all over this well-worn old lawyer joke

Please dont ever hear the "your mama" jokes because youll have a breakdown when you hear them

Cut the crap RDHull, you aren't amusing in the slightest. The only nonsense that people shouldn't be hanging on to is the nonsense coming out of your mouth.

[Edited 5/25/17 22:04pm]

Mumio said:

rdhull said:

What do you call 500 attorneys at the bottom of the river?

rogifan said:

[Edited 5/25/17 14:02pm]

Hysterical, right????

I sure do hope after that dissing that none of you have any further questions for the one attorney who is still coming to this board and providing information, explanations, and decrypting legal-speak whenever asked. Really bad decision.

Its a popular joke lol the only bad decisions made would be the people who take it that seriously to be that offended