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You also need to remember that not all people experience all side effects. I certainly didn't experience any impotence or vomiting. When my back pain allowed me to move I was quite capable of going to work and leading my life. But I agree with you about the time and that 2010 is more likely. RIP  | |
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Although I expected the findings that appeared in the unsealed search warrants, I still find myself trying to reconcile why this tragedy occurred so I went back to read some articles that were written in 2016. The links are below to some articles I read. I will apologize in advance if these have been posted previously.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/health/pop-stars-die-young/index.html
Regarding Dr. Schulenberg, how he handled himself is illegal, as well as unethical, as shown in the New York Times 4/17/17 article, which the link is below. I hope that charges will be brought against him. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/music/prince-opioid-death.html?_
Concerning Kirk Johnson, besides being an enabler, I also question whether he was actually a “friend” to P. because this was my gut feeling when I watched his CBS interview. There was a coldness and smugness that I found very distasteful. The link is below to an article that mentions how investigation are conducted so perhaps there is still hope that someone will be charged.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4417686/Search-warrants-Princes-death-unsealed-Monday.html
I realize that no matter what the outcome is when the investigation is finally completed, that P. ultimately bears the responsibility for his actions and that it also doesn’t bring him back.
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Because I still see posts that wonder if P. had additional illnesses such as AIDS, heptatis C, the link is below to a You Tube video from HLN with a medical examiner in June 2016 that indicates he did not have these infectious diseases as they are tracked by the Board of Health so they would have been listed even in a short autopsy report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEj813Zjzo
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Am I reading the post correctly that "no crime scene was done on the 21st"? There was a search warrant executed 4/21.
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You also need to remember that not all people experience all side effects. I certainly didn't experience any impotence or vomiting. When my back pain allowed me to move I was quite capable of going to work and leading my life. But I agree with you about the time and that 2010 is more likely. --/Where you following the directions because if Prince was addicted that would mean he was taking more than the proper dosage therefore abusing the meds. When you go beyond the dosage you have been prescribed you are going to contispated I know because I did just and it was hell and plenty of time in the bathroom. | |
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leec1 said: Because I still see posts that wonder if P. had additional illnesses such as AIDS, heptatis C, the link is below to a You Tube video from HLN with a medical examiner in June 2016 that indicates he did not have these infectious diseases as they are tracked by the Board of Health so they would have been listed even in a short autopsy report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEj813Zjzo
No the would not have been listed in the short autosphy report because they did not contribute to his death and once again these pills are hell on your organs. | |
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leec1 said: Although I expected the findings that appeared in the unsealed search warrants, I still find myself trying to reconcile why this tragedy occurred so I went back to read some articles that were written in 2016. The links are below to some articles I read. I will apologize in advance if these have been posted previously.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/health/pop-stars-die-young/index.html
Regarding Dr. Schulenberg, how he handled himself is illegal, as well as unethical, as shown in the New York Times 4/17/17 article, which the link is below. I hope that charges will be brought against him. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/arts/music/prince-opioid-death.html?_
Concerning Kirk Johnson, besides being an enabler, I also question whether he was actually a “friend” to P. because this was my gut feeling when I watched his CBS interview. There was a coldness and smugness that I found very distasteful. The link is below to an article that mentions how investigation are conducted so perhaps there is still hope that someone will be charged.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4417686/Search-warrants-Princes-death-unsealed-Monday.html
I realize that no matter what the outcome is when the investigation is finally completed, that P. ultimately bears the responsibility for his actions and that it also doesn’t bring him back.
-/Very good points and while Prince is responsible we have no idea what the level of his pain was initially, these pills are easy to get addicted and often over prescribed, what sort of medical advice he had or if he even listened and how these pain pills may affected his thinking. [Edited 4/22/17 8:00am] | |
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I wish that a prince fan was leading this investigation. With as much money and as many inconsistencies involved in this case, you would think some of these questions could have better answers by now, if law enforcement was really interested in finding the truth, like the org is. The fact that 3 people arrived at paisley at 9 but did not call 911 for 45 minutes screams "fixing things up" before police arrived. We really have no idea about the time line of when prince even arrived home the night before, or if he really was alone all night. i wonder if they have checked other business servalence cameras in the area looking for vehicles belonging to the people involved, and what time they passed by, how did the docs son get to paisley? And it is ridiculous that the docs son was not charged with a fist full of broken laws, as he was representing as a health official, and what more did they need to know about that piece of the puzzle, 10 laws broken, prince dead, o.k. Here's your backpack you can go... | |
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Do you really believe that he OD'd on aspirin? Mayte didn't believe it and I don't believe it either. Exactly I am not having a hard time at all. I just do not believe he was addicted 20 years ago and did all the things he did and no one noticed. I actually think he had an Rx for these meds somewhere along the way. I think his problems started later around 2010 His level of work slowed down considerably and if he had put surgery off until 2010 he may have been in awful pain by that time. People can sick taking to many aspirian it even tells you to limit your amount on the side of the bottle. Even if he was taking loads of aspirin he was going to mess himself up. I do not take anything Mayte has to say seriously because she cannot get her story straight to many inconsistencies and I do not knows or back pedealing. [Edited 4/22/17 5:58am] | |
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: I wish that a prince fan was leading this investigation. With as much money and as many inconsistencies involved in this case, you would think some of these questions could have better answers by now, if law enforcement was really interested in finding the truth, like the org is. The fact that 3 people arrived at paisley at 9 but did not call 911 for 45 minutes screams "fixing things up" before police arrived. We really have no idea about the time line of when prince even arrived home the night before, or if he really was alone all night. i wonder if they have checked other business servalence cameras in the area looking for vehicles belonging to the people involved, and what time they passed by, how did the docs son get to paisley? And it is ridiculous that the docs son was not charged with a fist full of broken laws, as he was representing as a health official, and what more did they need to know about that piece of the puzzle, 10 laws broken, prince dead, o.k. Here's your backpack you can go... Exactly, it took 45 minutes to find him. I am sure they have looked at phone records street cams and I sure Kirk is a suspect. Why certain people have not been charged since numerous laws have not been broken is beyond me. | |
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So it appears more likely prince did not know the doc kid was coming to paisley and warrant says he arrived at 9a.m. Wouldn't you think if Kirk and or Meron new they were going to try and have the docs kid speak to prince about rehab, that they would have arrived at paisley before the docs kid to se how prince was, were he was, and if he was even awake, haven't we all been told that he rarely got up early. I wonder why the warrant doesn't say what time Kirk and meron arrived. The information is making it sound like they all arrived together and set out looking for prince, which again knowing the docs kid was going to be there it only makes sense they would have arrived earlier. The elevator seems like one of the first places you would look if you were farmiliar with paisley knowing prince lived upstairs, but maybe not one of the first places you would look if you were not familiar with the facility. They are obviously all together on the 911 tape, just wondering if he was actually found earlier, but for some reason they wanted the doc's kid to find him officially while they were all there together | |
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These side effects do not happen to everybody, like I explained about my husband. | |
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There was nobody there but Prince, Andrew couldn't have just walked in PP by himself. Then they had to look for Prince. In one of the warrants it said while they were looking for him, they heard a scream, which probably means that the woman assistant found him in the elevator. | |
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There was nobody there but Prince, Andrew couldn't have just walked in PP by himself. Then they had to look for Prince. In one of the warrants it said while they were looking for him, they heard a scream, which probably means that the woman assistant found him in the elevator. I don't remember that they heard a scream and then found him, I do remember the doc's kid sayings people were screaming when he was on the 911 call. How do you account for the person that new prince best in the entire world Kirk, did not find him in the elevator to his apartment for 45 minutes? That is illogical | |
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These side effects do not happen to everybody, like I explained about my husband. If you are taking the normal dosage but not if you are abusing the meds. Lord help us. | |
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: PennyPurple said:
There was nobody there but Prince, Andrew couldn't have just walked in PP by himself. Then they had to look for Prince. In one of the warrants it said while they were looking for him, they heard a scream, which probably means that the woman assistant found him in the elevator. I don't remember that they heard a scream and then found him, I do remember the doc's kid sayings people were screaming when he was on the 911 call. How do you account for the person that new prince best in the entire world Kirk, did not find him in the elevator to his apartment for 45 minutes? That is illogical --It is not logical that it took 45 minutes to find him. They all worked there why would it take so long? [Edited 4/22/17 8:05am] | |
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laurarichardson said: LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: I don't remember that they heard a scream and then found him, I do remember the doc's kid sayings people were screaming when he was on the 911 call. How do you account for the person that new prince best in the entire world Kirk, did not find him in the elevator to his apartment for 45 minutes? That is illogical --It is not logical that it took 45 minutes to find him. They all worked there why would it take so long? [Edited 4/22/17 8:05am] The only answer is that is not how it happened | |
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If memory serves me right, in the news conference the CC Sheriff stated "no foul play" and "not suicide". He also stated that the scene had been processed and would not discuss what if anything had been found nor what was taken into custody. He would not reveal who dropped P off at PP ect. What he did say was that CCSO was working on a search warrant so if they needed to go back and re-examine anything at a later date they could. Also it was stated that CCSO had turned PP back over to the family. I see the date of the search warrant is 4/21/16. But that doesn't mean that it was executed that day. When CCSO initially arrived on the scene they had probable cause to search and did so as it was stated that PP was searched to insure no one else was there and that probably is when some of the items were discovered. I went back and looked to see if CCSO went back to PP after the 21st. I found no log. The next info we have is the May search by the Feds and DEA. Those warrants are missing pieces to this puzzle. Just some of my thoughts. | |
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We don't know the plan for that morning. Maybe they arrived at 9am but didn't expect to actually meet with prince until 9:30 or later so they didn't immediately start looking for him. It's a huge stretch to start jumping to some sinister conclusion based on some minutes in the timeline. LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: laurarichardson said: --It is not logical that it took 45 minutes to find him. They all worked there why would it take so long? [Edited 4/22/17 8:05am] The only answer is that is not how it happened | |
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zenarose said: If memory serves me right, in the news conference the CC Sheriff stated "no foul play" and "not suicide". He also stated that the scene had been processed and would not discuss what if anything had been found nor what was taken into custody. He would not reveal who dropped P off at PP ect. What he did say was that CCSO was working on a search warrant so if they needed to go back and re-examine anything at a later date they could. Also it was stated that CCSO had turned PP back over to the family. I see the date of the search warrant is 4/21/16. But that doesn't mean that it was executed that day. When CCSO initially arrived on the scene they had probable cause to search and did so as it was stated that PP was searched to insure no one else was there and that probably is when some of the items were discovered. I went back and looked to see if CCSO went back to PP after the 21st. I found no log. The next info we have is the May search by the Feds and DEA. Those warrants are missing pieces to this puzzle. Just some of my thoughts. Obviously by no foul play they meant there were no obvious signs he was murdered, that dose not mean someone was not messing around with his pain pills. Also the fact that they did not take custody of his computer before they released the crime scene is just stupid. The fact that some one moved, and then most likely used his personal computer is red flag number 1001. Why would anyone need to get on princes personal computer hours after his death, red flag 1002, and knowing how private prince was don't you think he would have kept his passwords private, red flag 1003... | |
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disch said: We don't know the plan for that morning. Maybe they arrived at 9am but didn't expect to actually meet with prince until 9:30 or later so they didn't immediately start looking for him. It's a huge stretch to start jumping to some sinister conclusion based on some minutes in the timeline. LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: The only answer is that is not how it happened So he is alone all night in a health emergency as described to the cali doctor, and you go to his home and do not check to see if he is o.k. Before you do what ever else you have planned? I would say that is a stretch. If I am super worried about a friends health, and go to her house to get her medical help, And then I do something else for 45 minutes before I check on her, that's a stretch | |
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: zenarose said: If memory serves me right, in the news conference the CC Sheriff stated "no foul play" and "not suicide". He also stated that the scene had been processed and would not discuss what if anything had been found nor what was taken into custody. He would not reveal who dropped P off at PP ect. What he did say was that CCSO was working on a search warrant so if they needed to go back and re-examine anything at a later date they could. Also it was stated that CCSO had turned PP back over to the family. I see the date of the search warrant is 4/21/16. But that doesn't mean that it was executed that day. When CCSO initially arrived on the scene they had probable cause to search and did so as it was stated that PP was searched to insure no one else was there and that probably is when some of the items were discovered. I went back and looked to see if CCSO went back to PP after the 21st. I found no log. The next info we have is the May search by the Feds and DEA. Those warrants are missing pieces to this puzzle. Just some of my thoughts. Obviously by no foul play they meant there were no obvious signs he was murdered, that dose not mean someone was not messing around with his pain pills. Also the fact that they did not take custody of his computer before they released the crime scene is just stupid. The fact that some one moved, and then most likely used his personal computer is red flag number 1001. Why would anyone need to get on princes personal computer hours after his death, red flag 1002, and knowing how private prince was don't you think he would have kept his passwords private, red flag 1003... Right. My point is why was PP not secured pending further investigation? Instead people were in and out contaminating the scene. You can't go back so you have to preserve no matter how long it takes. Those folks could have gathered elsewhere. | |
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There was nobody there but Prince, Andrew couldn't have just walked in PP by himself. Then they had to look for Prince. In one of the warrants it said while they were looking for him, they heard a scream, which probably means that the woman assistant found him in the elevator. We were told that story by the same people that can't seem to tell the same story twice. They can say what ever they want, and have, now that Prince is gone. | |
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In ISLIJAG reply #233, #5 (of search warrant inventory #2 -backpack) states "key on single ring"-returned to backpack". One.single.key. Most hotels have a swipe card, so I don't think that's it. Could this be the key to PP? Did he let himself in (to be the fall guy-knowing if he called 911, he would have immunity from charges)? Was he told he could find the key somewhere at PP to get in? Where was he from 6 am(time his flight came in) to 9 am? Thoughts? | |
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: disch said: We don't know the plan for that morning. Maybe they arrived at 9am but didn't expect to actually meet with prince until 9:30 or later so they didn't immediately start looking for him. It's a huge stretch to start jumping to some sinister conclusion based on some minutes in the timeline. So he is alone all night in a health emergency as described to the cali doctor, and you go to his home and do not check to see if he is o.k. Before you do what ever else you have planned? I would say that is a stretch. If I am super worried about a friends health, and go to her house to get her medical help, And then I do something else for 45 minutes before I check on her, that's a stretch Agree Lovesymbol. Not only did they supposedly leave him all night gravely ill...but they all waited until 9 the next day? If P was gravely ill wouldn't the drs son rush there immediately or they should have dialed 911 not Cali Dr K. | |
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disch said: We don't know the plan for that morning. Maybe they arrived at 9am but didn't expect to actually meet with prince until 9:30 or later so they didn't immediately start looking for him. It's a huge stretch to start jumping to some sinister conclusion based on some minutes in the timeline. LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: The only answer is that is not how it happened I have always believed that P knew nothing about Andrew coming to PP to discuss rehab. It was stated that P had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. that morning. So why would Andrew be coming to see P when KJ and MB knew (or thought) that P wasn't going to be there???? It was stated that the Holistic DR's office informed someone that P didn't show for that appointment and THAT was why KJ and MB showed up to find out why. So which is it??? Appointment with Andrew??? Appointment with Dr???? It certainly would not have been an "intervention" with just Andrew alone. | |
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It doesn't seem particularly strange that Andrew (who wasn't a doctor there to provide emergency medical car) would want to arrive early to get himself settled and have his stuff ready to go for whatever meeting was supposed to happen that morning. Obviously everyone underestimated the danger and uregency of Prince's situation, or Prince wouldn't have been alone at PP that night at all.
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precioux said: In ISLIJAG reply #233, #5 (of search warrant inventory #2 -backpack) states "key on single ring"-returned to backpack". One.single.key. Most hotels have a swipe card, so I don't think that's it. Could this be the key to PP? Did he let himself in (to be the fall guy-knowing if he called 911, he would have immunity from charges)? Was he told he could find the key somewhere at PP to get in? Where was he from 6 am(time his flight came in) to 9 am? Thoughts? Yes, that does seem likely. Good catch...that would also mean someone else gave him the key prior to him entering PP. | |
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It is strange that the cali doc's kid was there at all, and a super bad call on the part of his father. And no I would not expect a stranger to be poking around looking for prince, I am saying it is a stretch that his super good close friends did not check on him immediately | |
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huh? It doesn't say anywhere that was a key to PP. It could have been a key to his car (did he pick up a rental in Minn.? or evn a car back home. Or some old key his gym locker that he forgot in his backpack). I know i won't persuade whose imagination takes every innocuous detail to the most sinister place, but this one seem REALLY a stretch.
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