cloveringold85 said:

tmo1965 said:

Or maybe Prince did not want to talk to certain people. Didn't he and Sheila have a falling out a few years before? I don't think that they were on the best of terms.

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Sheila E. said they had not spoken in 8 months or so. I thought they had reconnected, but maybe not. However, you would think that Sheila E. could contact him, directly through e-mail. I know they had a falling out at one time, but I think they always had a genuine love and respect for one another.

I do not think Prince got a message from her, Andre or Jerome. Tamron said she spoke to him on Saturday for a few hours after contacting by e-mail.

laurarichardson said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

destinyc1 said: According to the search warrant per Kirk it was Percocet on the plane. ???

We cannot go on anything Kirk did or said. So we still do not know what he O.D on the plane.

See Kirk and his lies below.

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During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson. A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription. One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride. A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride. The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg. Johnson told Investigators he was unaware Prince was addicted to pain medication. Your Affiant is awar

Why would Dr. S prescribe this to Kirk? Was Kirk going thru withdrawals?

Ondansetron

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Kirk is not being truthful.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, that is very true. I just don't understand why the doc gave him Oxycondone the day before, when that is a very high-addictive drug. Like others have said here, maybe Prince was trying to ween himself off the pain pills and trying to manage it himself?

The doctor put out a statement that he never prescribed controlled substances for Prince. The controlled substances were for Kirk. Why was Kirk being prescribed pain pills and anti nausea meds.

Either something is wrong with Kirk or the Dr. was doing something slick.

No one finds this strange?

Yes, it's strange. During the inital reporting, the doctor said that he came to PP to bring Prince his test results. If he was treating Kirk, why bring the results to PP? If it was Kirk who was receiving treatment, I doubt that the doctor would have made the house call at all. The bottom line is that Kirk and Dr S are in cahoots together on this, however, it was not the pills that Dr. S prescribed that killed Prince. So Dr. S and Kirk may be charged with something, but it probably won't be anything all that significant. Afterall, Conrad Murray adminisitered the meds that directly killed MJ and only served 2 years in the penn. It really sounds to me like Dr. S and Kirk were only trying to get Prince through his withdrawals.

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

I'm convinced that Prince has had a long time drug problem. Before his death, I would not have believed it, but with all of the evidence that we know about, he obviously did have a problem.

1. He died from a fentanyl OD, although I don't believe that he knew that he was taking fentanyl. He thought it was the Watson 835s.

2. 6 days before he was found, his plane had an emergency landing and the released search warrants state that the reason for the emergency was that he OD'd on opiates.

3. Mayte has detailed in her book, several incidents that point to substance abuse:

a) The migraines and general not feeling well.

b) The alleged wine and aspirin incident where he had to be taken to the hospital and have his stomach pumped

c) The LA incident where he had severe stomach upset and asked Mayte to flush some pills down the toilet

d) There was one incident where Mayte says that he was acting "loopy".

I don't think that anyone framed Prince to make him look like a drug addict. I do believe that there were enablers around.

Nothing you stated is indication of long time drug use. No one could be abusing these pills for 20 years and live long and work at the pace he did.

I would not go on anything Mayte has said because her statements are inconsitent. In fact she is saying she never saw him take any pills.

Migraines do not come from taking pain pills but they can be prescribed for them althought it is not recommended.

If you have migraines and like to drink wine you are going to be loopy. In the podcast with Jerome he repeatly said Prince liked drinking wine and trust me if he was knocking back wine and pain pills he would have been out of here a long time ago.

I believe his problems with these pills were in his later years and I belived he even had an Rx at one time or another. No one is saying he was not abusing these meds but something is fishy with mislabled pills and Kirk's behavior.

There is a longer piece of Kirk's interview that was shown on CBS news and in that piece he is saying that if people have a problems with Prince's death that is not his worry.

Something is not right about this guy along with the fact that he had Rx for controled substances written for him by Dr. S which he lied about. Could Kirk be on drugs as well?

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Mayte, among many others who were in P's inner circle have made a lot of inconsistent statements.

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KJ is not being truthful, and I'm glad you mentioned what he said in that CBS interview because I was going to say something about that -- when the interviewer said to him "There are people who want someone to be prosecuted for the death of Prince", and KJ's response was "That is their problem.".........Woah....really now?

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Another thing that does not add up, imo, is why would Kirk need to pick up Rx for Prince under "Kirk Johnson", when the pharmacy stated that Prince, himself would come in to pick up his Rx? Why was their a need to have an alias or to have Kirk pick up his meds? The doctor said KJ used his name to protect Prince's privacy. KJ claims he only did that one time, but you have to wonder.

He lied he did it more than once and if Prince had been picking up withdrawal meds before the only reason he may have wanted privacy is because he knew someone was talking to the media.

After TMZ was the first to report the plane incident and say it was percocet and we now know Kirk told the doctors it was percocet. Someone was snitching maybe he thought someone at the pharmacy was talking because there is nothing embarrassing about the drugs he was prescribed

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Now, isn't lying to authorities considered a crime? I know KJ has a criminal defense attorney, because he is in deep doo-doo. He has a lot to answer to. Yea, he is a vault up in his head, alright!

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, that is very true. I just don't understand why the doc gave him Oxycondone the day before, when that is a very high-addictive drug. Like others have said here, maybe Prince was trying to ween himself off the pain pills and trying to manage it himself?

The doctor put out a statement that he never prescribed controlled substances for Prince. The controlled substances were for Kirk. Why was Kirk being prescribed pain pills and anti nausea meds.

Either something is wrong with Kirk or the Dr. was doing something slick.

No one finds this strange?

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Oh, yes, I most definitely find that behavior strange!! KJ was getting the pills and giving them to Prince, and the doctor most likely knew it too!!

what is everyone's interpretation of prince mention of kirk in the piano show on use me? it's odd, i think it might have just been a friendly jibe, either way it's odd and out of place. Prince was the boss, i can't imagine no one running his life.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

He lied he did it more than once and if Prince had been picking up withdrawal meds before the only reason he may have wanted privacy is because he knew someone was talking to the media.

After TMZ was the first to report the plane incident and say it was percocet and we now know Kirk told the doctors it was percocet. Someone was snitching maybe he thought someone at the pharmacy was talking because there is nothing embarrassing about the drugs he was prescribed

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Now, isn't lying to authorities considered a crime? I know KJ has a criminal defense attorney, because he is in deep doo-doo. He has a lot to answer to. Yea, he is a vault up in his head, alright!

The fact that meds with his name on them were in Prince's things is a crime. You can not give people your meds. We do not have the long report of the autopsy so we do not know if the stuff prescribed to Kurt was found in P's system or not but if it was Kirk could be in a lot of trouble.

The attorney that he has specializes in these types of enabler cases. People are living in a fantasy world if they do not see that Kirk is a suspect in this case and may be more than just an enabler.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Zena: Excellent points you make. The search warrant should have been done IMMEDIATELY. It was not, so therefore, the crime scene was CONTAMINATED. I've said this a dozen times before -- we don't know who was walking in and out of PP, and KJ had the "keys", so he could come and go as he pleased (didn't mean to make that rhyme), but just saying.

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I agree, everything was done half-assed (excuse my french). Perhaps the CCSO could not handle such a large investigation, so they brought in more help.

They saw the laptop but did not come and get it until later and when they came back it was in the office. So someone went up to his bedroom and got the laptop. Why did they not take it after the first search? Especially when they found all of his communciation was done on that computer.

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I agree. That was some shady B.S.

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It's pretty common that during a crime scene/search, they will immediately remove all communication devices (phone/laptop/pc).

PeteSilas said:

what is everyone's interpretation of prince mention of kirk in the piano show on use me? it's odd, i think it might have just been a friendly jibe, either way it's odd and out of place. Prince was the boss, i can't imagine no one running his life.

Not if Prince was not well or suffering from joint pain or just the side effects of these drugs.

I also am not ruling out that Kirk may be on something as well.

PeteSilas said:

i really hope they charge everyone they can, them fuckers will sing like pavoratti once jail time is over their heads and all the beans will get spilled.

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^^I agree^^

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I think the reason no arrests have been made yet (or maybe never will be) is because they cannot trace the lethal Fentanyl pill(s) to anyone. They can't arrest KJ because he did not give the lethal pills to Prince. They have to have a concrete connection, and that's not an easy task to prove.

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I just want peace and justice for Prince. If someone is responsible, then they need to be held accountable. Simple as that.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

The doctor put out a statement that he never prescribed controlled substances for Prince. The controlled substances were for Kirk. Why was Kirk being prescribed pain pills and anti nausea meds.

Either something is wrong with Kirk or the Dr. was doing something slick.

No one finds this strange?

Yes, it's strange. During the inital reporting, the doctor said that he came to PP to bring Prince his test results. If he was treating Kirk, why bring the results to PP? If it was Kirk who was receiving treatment, I doubt that the doctor would have made the house call at all. The bottom line is that Kirk and Dr S are in cahoots together on this, however, it was not the pills that Dr. S prescribed that killed Prince. So Dr. S and Kirk may be charged with something, but it probably won't be anything all that significant. Afterall, Conrad Murray adminisitered the meds that directly killed MJ and only served 2 years in the penn. It really sounds to me like Dr. S and Kirk were only trying to get Prince through his withdrawals.

Murray got off due a technicality is his trial. He lucked out.

Dr S will not get into any trouble because he is going to have the paperwork to back up his assertion that he wrote no pain pills for Prince. Kirk is the one that is going to be in trouble.

I hope they were just trying to help but Kirk's attutide is weird.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Sheila E. said they had not spoken in 8 months or so. I thought they had reconnected, but maybe not. However, you would think that Sheila E. could contact him, directly through e-mail. I know they had a falling out at one time, but I think they always had a genuine love and respect for one another.

I do not think Prince got a message from her, Andre or Jerome. Tamron said she spoke to him on Saturday for a few hours after contacting by e-mail.

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Sheila E. said she didn't know who answered the phone (she didn't recognize the voice), because you would think she would know who is answering Prince's phone, right?

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

I'm convinced that Prince has had a long time drug problem. Before his death, I would not have believed it, but with all of the evidence that we know about, he obviously did have a problem.

1. He died from a fentanyl OD, although I don't believe that he knew that he was taking fentanyl. He thought it was the Watson 835s.

2. 6 days before he was found, his plane had an emergency landing and the released search warrants state that the reason for the emergency was that he OD'd on opiates.

3. Mayte has detailed in her book, several incidents that point to substance abuse:

a) The migraines and general not feeling well.

b) The alleged wine and aspirin incident where he had to be taken to the hospital and have his stomach pumped

c) The LA incident where he had severe stomach upset and asked Mayte to flush some pills down the toilet

d) There was one incident where Mayte says that he was acting "loopy".

I don't think that anyone framed Prince to make him look like a drug addict. I do believe that there were enablers around.

Nothing you stated is indication of long time drug use. No one could be abusing these pills for 20 years and live long and work at the pace he did.

I would not go on anything Mayte has said because her statements are inconsitent. In fact she is saying she never saw him take any pills.

Migraines do not come from taking pain pills but they can be prescribed for them althought it is not recommended.

If you have migraines and like to drink wine you are going to be loopy. In the podcast with Jerome he repeatly said Prince liked drinking wine and trust me if he was knocking back wine and pain pills he would have been out of here a long time ago.

I believe his problems with these pills were in his later years and I belived he even had an Rx at one time or another. No one is saying he was not abusing these meds but something is fishy with mislabled pills and Kirk's behavior.

There is a longer piece of Kirk's interview that was shown on CBS news and in that piece he is saying that if people have a problems with Prince's death that is not his worry.

Something is not right about this guy along with the fact that he had Rx for controled substances written for him by Dr. S which he lied about. Could Kirk be on drugs as well?

I don't think that Mayte made up the wine and aspirin incident nor the flushing of the pills down the toilet incident. I believe in Alex Hahn's original book "The Rise and Fall of Prince" or was it "Possessed"?, he stated a similar incident with the wine and aspirin. These incidents happenned about 20 years ago.

People with substance abuse issues do in fact try to hide their addiction from their loved ones. It's entirely possible that Prince never took any pills in front of her.

I have been on narcotic pain pills in the past and they will cause migraines when you stop them. I was only on the pain meds for about a week and got migraines.

Perhaps both Kirk and Prince had an opiate problem. Who knows? Right now, I'm leaning towards believing that the Rx's were for Prince in Kirk's name, which is illegal to do and that's why they are lying. Kirk may be the one who was getting the street drugs for Prince, but right now we don't have enough info to determine that.

cloveringold85 said:

tmo1965 said:

I don't think that the pills were stewn about his living quarters. From what I gather there were some pills in his bedroom, laundry room, and dressing room - I believe these were in bottles, although not Rx bottles. There were pills spilled out in his duffle bag also.

It sounds to me like Prince was trying to detox himself, so he was trying to avoid the pills that he already had. The pills that Kirk got for him were probably to ease the withdrawal symptoms until he could get into a treatment program.

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Yes, but the warrant and reports suggest there were pills "everywhere", in bags, suitcases, drawers, envelopes, etc. Another thing I found strange is that the report said there were written lyrics to "You got the look" in the bag/suitcase by his bed.

The ziploc bags and envelopes with pills were found in Andrew Kornfield's bag, not amongst Prince's stuff.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

The doctor put out a statement that he never prescribed controlled substances for Prince. The controlled substances were for Kirk. Why was Kirk being prescribed pain pills and anti nausea meds.

Either something is wrong with Kirk or the Dr. was doing something slick.

No one finds this strange?

Yes, it's strange. During the inital reporting, the doctor said that he came to PP to bring Prince his test results. If he was treating Kirk, why bring the results to PP? If it was Kirk who was receiving treatment, I doubt that the doctor would have made the house call at all. The bottom line is that Kirk and Dr S are in cahoots together on this, however, it was not the pills that Dr. S prescribed that killed Prince. So Dr. S and Kirk may be charged with something, but it probably won't be anything all that significant. Afterall, Conrad Murray adminisitered the meds that directly killed MJ and only served 2 years in the penn. It really sounds to me like Dr. S and Kirk were only trying to get Prince through his withdrawals.

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Perhaps Dr. S. and Kirk were only trying to help Prince, but they went about it the wrong way. The doctor, of all people should know better.

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Conrad Murray claims his innocence, to this day, which is even more bizarre!!

PeteSilas said:

what is everyone's interpretation of prince mention of kirk in the piano show on use me? it's odd, i think it might have just been a friendly jibe, either way it's odd and out of place. Prince was the boss, i can't imagine no one running his life.

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Yes, someone else just mentioned that as well. Obviously something was going on between P and KJ. Prince needed to get something off his chest, so he did it in the song. I agree with you, Prince was not the type of person to let another overpower or control him. No way, not happening!

PeteSilas said:

what is everyone's interpretation of prince mention of kirk in the piano show on use me? it's odd, i think it might have just been a friendly jibe, either way it's odd and out of place. Prince was the boss, i can't imagine no one running his life.

I don't think that it was a jibe at all. In the song, Prince says that "Kirk sat me down and he talked to me", referring to Kirk talking to him about the woman using Prince. The song does not say that Kirk was using Prince.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Now, isn't lying to authorities considered a crime? I know KJ has a criminal defense attorney, because he is in deep doo-doo. He has a lot to answer to. Yea, he is a vault up in his head, alright!

The fact that meds with his name on them were in Prince's things is a crime. You can not give people your meds. We do not have the long report of the autopsy so we do not know if the stuff prescribed to Kurt was found in P's system or not but if it was Kirk could be in a lot of trouble.

The attorney that he has specializes in these types of enabler cases. People are living in a fantasy world if they do not see that Kirk is a suspect in this case and may be more than just an enabler.

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I agree. If KJ was giving Prince controlled substances that were in his name, then why haven't they charged him with anything -- that is what I find strange. I'm guessing they still haven't compiled all the evidence they need. It's still an open homicide investigation, as you know.

tmo1965 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, but the warrant and reports suggest there were pills "everywhere", in bags, suitcases, drawers, envelopes, etc. Another thing I found strange is that the report said there were written lyrics to "You got the look" in the bag/suitcase by his bed.

The ziploc bags and envelopes with pills were found in Andrew Kornfield's bag, not amongst Prince's stuff.

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Right, thanks for reminding me. Yea, and AK, another guy that got away with committing a crime.

tmo1965 said:

PeteSilas said:

what is everyone's interpretation of prince mention of kirk in the piano show on use me? it's odd, i think it might have just been a friendly jibe, either way it's odd and out of place. Prince was the boss, i can't imagine no one running his life.

I don't think that it was a jibe at all. In the song, Prince says that "Kirk sat me down and he talked to me", referring to Kirk talking to him about the woman using Prince. The song does not say that Kirk was using Prince.

did he, i couldn't really hear that.

tmo1965 said:

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

tmo1965 said:

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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KJ is not being truthful, and I'm glad you mentioned what he said in that CBS interview because I was going to say something about that -- when the interviewer said to him "There are people who want someone to be prosecuted for the death of Prince", and KJ's response was "That is their problem.".........Woah....really now?

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I'm sorry but I really don't like that...(And, yes, OK - that's 'my problem').
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At the very least, surely everyone would want the manufacturers / distributors / suppliers of the fake Watson, fentanyl-tainted, pills found and brought to justice ('prosecuted') - not only did those pills result in the death of Prince, they could, potentially, end up in the demise of many other people too!

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It isn't just 'our problem' - drugs like these doing the rounds is the problem of an entire nation!

laurarichardson said: