1Sasha said:

I have brought up many times that I have thought there was a connection between Prince's death and the Grand Slam manager's death, and not just the fact that the opioid epidemic is massive in Minnesota.

He died in June, 2016

I am going to try and scan the second warrant and post it later on tonight.

disch said:

I agree with those theories about the bill; he may have had some sort of hospital-based care (the warrant repeated that he had had some treatment in a hospital on April 20; maybe he had other treatments like that in the past?) -- my main thing is, i don't believe the info we have aligns with him receiving ongoing care for any serious illness (other than addiction/withdrawal) around the time of his death.

Dibblekins said:

Re the $65K on 'medical bills' - for me, there are three possibilities:

1) He had an illness which could only be treated in a hospital. It didn't require a regular GP / doctor; it was in-patient treatment with a specialist, with no prescriptions required.

2) It was hospital / clinic-based treatment for addiction / withdrawal. This would tie in with comments regarding his having a 'recent history of withdrawal'. It would also tie in with pills cut into quarters / halves (he was attempting to reduce his dosage himself).

3) The medical bills were accrued by someone else.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:52am]

Wouldn't the illness have to be pretty serious if it aquired treatment in hospital?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I am going to try and scan the second warrant and post it later on tonight.

please don't post all the irrelevant parts, i couldn't get through all that crap.

I don't know -- something withdrawal- or addiction-related. Or there was something not in a hospital setting (a clinic of some sort). There are a lot of things that can rack up medical bills.

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My main thing is, I don't think what we know supports the theory that he had a serious chronic or terminal illness (other than addiction/withdrawal-related) that he was receiving ongoing treatment for. That's the conclusion that makes sense to me, based on what we know at this point, and others may have different ideas.

paulludvig said:

disch said:

I agree with those theories about the bill; he may have had some sort of hospital-based care (the warrant repeated that he had had some treatment in a hospital on April 20; maybe he had other treatments like that in the past?) -- my main thing is, i don't believe the info we have aligns with him receiving ongoing care for any serious illness (other than addiction/withdrawal) around the time of his death.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:52am]

Wouldn't the illness have to be pretty serious if it aquired treatment in hospital?

PeteSilas said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I am going to try and scan the second warrant and post it later on tonight.

please don't post all the irrelevant parts, i couldn't get through all that crap.

I wont.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PeteSilas said:

please don't post all the irrelevant parts, i couldn't get through all that crap.

I wont.

sincerely, thanks. I'm getting a super short attention span in my old age.

disch said:

laytonian said:

disch said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

precioux said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

...you are correct with he stayed at the hospital and DID NOT leave IMMEDIATELY It seemed he had concerns as to what happened with him on the plane.

WRONG! As per warrant (6/10/16) NOT from "google" or NBC news report...the WARRANT states "prince boarded a flight 4/15 returning to Minneapolis .while en route, Prince suffered a medical emergency and the flight had to make an emergency landing in Moline,IL. The doctor who treated prince documented that Prince as suffering from an opiate overdose, however Prince refused treatment at the hospital. Johnson told hospital staff that Prince may have taken Percocet. Prince was released from the hospital later that morning. I do not "make up shit" Laytonian, so maybe both you and Purplediamonds should take the time to actually READ the warrants. Prince REFUSED treatment, he may not have left until later that morning, as per flight logs in the media, but my point was exactly that, he got the hell out of dodge against medical advice which CONTRADICTS JH's statement in which she stated that Prince did everything the doctor asked him to. Refer to my reply #67 & #76 for my original statements [Edited 4/20/17 16:14pm] [Edited 4/20/17 16:24pm] [Edited 4/20/17 16:25pm] [Edited 4/20/17 16:26pm]

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And, interestingly, I've been reading a bit more about Narcan and how it works.

This was taken from thebody.com, a web resource manned by experienced medics:

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'Naloxone, commonly called Narcan®, is a drug used to counter the effects of an opiate (i.e. heroin or morphine) overdose. It has been the standard care for emergency departments and paramedics for the past few decades. Naloxone works by binding to the opioid receptor in the brain and reversing the depression of the central nervous and respiratory systems. It "tricks" the brain into thinking there are no opiates in the body. If someone is overdosing on an opiate, administering naloxone can speed up their breathing and temporarily bring them out of an overdose.

Naloxone sends people with a habit into immediate withdrawal, which can be really uncomfortable. That person may want to go and fix again because they can't feel the dope in their system, but using more can send them back into an overdose, since the opiates are still in their system. Reassure them that they will start to feel the dope again in about 45 minutes and their sick feeling will go away'.

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So, I think it's safe to say that after having two shots of Narcan administered, Prince was feeling fine again after an hour or so - and clearly felt he was back in control - hence no need to have treatment at the hospital.

Dibblekins said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

precioux said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Precioux...Prince refused treatment from the hospital. But he did stay until later that morning. He did not rush out as some have reported. He went back to Minnesota to most likely figure out what went wrong when he took the meds.

http://www.mncourts.gov/m...dex-17.pdf

Yes, I agree-he did not leave until later that morning, probably because (as Dibblekins stated above) he had to wait until the narcan wore off in order to feel normal again, and as soon as he was capable, he left..refusing medical advice. I hope you're right that he went back to figure out what went wrong, it just frustrates me so bad!! He could've gotten help...no, I wouldn't want to camp out in Moline, IL either. I hope he wasn't just being hard headed

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

precioux said:

Yes, I agree-he did not leave until later that morning, probably because (as Dibblekins stated above) he had to wait until the narcan wore off in order to feel normal again, and as soon as he was capable, he left..refusing medical advice. I hope you're right that he went back to figure out what went wrong, it just frustrates me so bad!! He could've gotten help...no, I wouldn't want to camp out in Moline, IL either. I hope he wasn't just being hard headed

I agree with Dibble too and geez I'd want to get out of a hospital too and go home and see a dr...so I don't blame him with hat at all.
It's not like he left the hospital then relapsed, He did go back to see Dr. so I want to believe he was on to something was off. I find it odd that he did not have another incident until a week later. You would think if it was a bad batch of pills he would have had another incident that same day or whenever he took his meds??

precioux said:

This thread is so wrong

precioux said:

1Sasha said:

I have brought up many times that I have thought there was a connection between Prince's death and the Grand Slam manager's death, and not just the fact that the opioid epidemic is massive in Minnesota.

He died in June, 2016

The police found no connection between the two at all.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

He died in June, 2016

The police found no connection between the two at all.

git down lorna, where'd you go?

paulludvig said:

disch said:

I agree with those theories about the bill; he may have had some sort of hospital-based care (the warrant repeated that he had had some treatment in a hospital on April 20; maybe he had other treatments like that in the past?) -- my main thing is, i don't believe the info we have aligns with him receiving ongoing care for any serious illness (other than addiction/withdrawal) around the time of his death.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:52am]

Wouldn't the illness have to be pretty serious if it aquired treatment in hospital?

According to one of the interviews in the warrent with Kirk. Prince was in the hospital in 2014 and 2015 for treatment.

65k has to be a serious illness or rehab. If he paid someone else's bill he would have just paid it. It would not become his debt and the inventory report was for tax purposes so it would have to be his bill. I know people want to discount the side effects of these pills but they can ruin your organs. We have no idea what health issues these meds caused or what the state of his overall was.

What we know.

He did not look bad back in the fall.

The chefs said he started to ask for juices and soups in January.

He looked bad in the Australia pics from January but managed to stay down their for a good while.

He traveled out of the county to Toronto and even if he was on a private plane you still need to check in so how was he flying around with bags of drugs?

How was he seen driving around his hometown, riding a bike and interacting with people if he was abusing these meds.

Questions

Even if he had tolerance how was he able to beat the side effects to perform and way was he withdrawaing and performing rather than going into a rehab on just being treated at home?

He seem to be find in 2015 so why the sudden cold turkey withdrawal?

Why would he have the Rxs written in Kirk's name. The drugs are used for withdrawals and their is nothing embarrassing about having them. He had been going to that Walgreen Pharmacy for sometime picking up his own meds so why worry about his privacy now.

Did he know someone was following him around and is that the reason he wanted the scripts filled out in Kirk's name? Why was Kirk getting Rx's for controlled substances and why did he lie about it to the police? What a coincidence that Kirk needs an Rx for pain pills and Prince is trying to withdraw from them. How come Dr S did not find this suspicious?

Is Kirk so stupid that he does not realize that the Dr. would have written notes about writting the RX for Prince under someone else's name. Why did he think he could lie about it and get away with it?

Why would Prince have all these bottles easily found by the police. Paisley Park is a huge facility why were things so out in the open?

Is it normal for Dr. to prescibe so many anxiety drugs to help with withdrawals and could some of the drugs be for other aliments since they all have other uses?

Romeo the bodyguard said up until that last week he packed Prince's bags and he never saw any drugs and he was never high. Was he off these drugs or withdrawing doing the early part of this tour. Is that the reason he did not seem high to anyone or is it because a lot of pills were found to be cut in half. Was he weening himself.?

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

The police found no connection between the two at all.

[Bait snip - luv4u]

No I actually posted an article that said the police did not find a connection between the two. I believe it was deleated

precioux said:

Dibblekins said:

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And, interestingly, I've been reading a bit more about Narcan and how it works.

This was taken from thebody.com, a web resource manned by experienced medics:

.

'Naloxone, commonly called Narcan®, is a drug used to counter the effects of an opiate (i.e. heroin or morphine) overdose. It has been the standard care for emergency departments and paramedics for the past few decades. Naloxone works by binding to the opioid receptor in the brain and reversing the depression of the central nervous and respiratory systems. It "tricks" the brain into thinking there are no opiates in the body. If someone is overdosing on an opiate, administering naloxone can speed up their breathing and temporarily bring them out of an overdose.

Naloxone sends people with a habit into immediate withdrawal, which can be really uncomfortable. That person may want to go and fix again because they can't feel the dope in their system, but using more can send them back into an overdose, since the opiates are still in their system. Reassure them that they will start to feel the dope again in about 45 minutes and their sick feeling will go away'.

.
So, I think it's safe to say that after having two shots of Narcan administered, Prince was feeling fine again after an hour or so - and clearly felt he was back in control - hence no need to have treatment at the hospital.

Yes, Dibblkens-I agree with you 100% (with a heavy heart)

He was already seeing Dr.S for treatment so why would he stay in Moline. This whole in left Moline has been blown out of portion.

Hey, Precioux, PurpleDiamonds1, PennyPurple, Zenarose, Dibble, Oliviamom: I saw the other thread got locked, but just wanted to say "thank you" for the warm welcome back! Sorry I've been away so long. Sending y'all some purple love!

disch said:

MrNelson7 said:

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: How did a pamphlet from the rehab get in the Purple Rain Room if Andrew had just arrived? The contact was made the day prior. No time for mail, ect. It is strange to me that there were 1/4 and 1/2 pills. If P's addiction was as bad as it is stated, he would not ( in my mind) be taking small amounts. Don't shoot me!! I can only go by what I know from dealing with someone addicted to script drugs. Also, was this the search warrant they were speaking of during the news conference when they stated that they would prepare the warrant and go back if need be?? Or did they find these items initially??

I did not catch that when I read the warrants. That is a really interesting thought.

This is what people are missing!!!!

It looks like a "serious addiction" when all of these pills are found but they are under a legal prescription for Kirk Johnson BUT there is the Watson 865 counterfeit Vicodin in an unlabled asprin bottle.

Why would Prince need counterfeit meds off the street when the doctor gave him a prescription the night before?

I was accepting of this before thinking he OD on Percocet but the Vicodin is a curve ball. No crime scene was done on the 21st.

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Search Warrant #1 requested on 4-21-16

Items taken into custody:

-15 Watson capsules number 852 found in 2nd floor dressing room.

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky said name Vitamin D2 containing 7 green capsules with #194

-8 orange oval pills located Mirror Room inside suitcase on 2nd floor.

-Bayer Bottle with 64 1/4 white pills with Watson 853

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky containing Ondasetron HCL 8 mg. Inside 10 white

pills inscription A-349, 8 mg. Inside 10 white round pills inscription A-349. I orange pill

with inscription #8 (?)

- Aleve bottle with 20 1/2 white pills Watson 853

-Recovery Without Walls pamphlet recovered from Purple Rain Room

-Hem 1, 2, & 3 from Hennepin Co. Swab of neck left and right hand and neck. (?)

.

The police requested a search warrant to

-Process the crime scene

-Collect documents

-Collect all illicit narcotics

-Collect medications

-Collect paraphernalia

-Collect notes, and other documentation that could explain source of medication.

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On 4-21-16 Sheriff's department was dispatched to a medical where a person

was not breathing. Deputy arrived on scene and located P and he was unresponsive

and was pronounced.

-Police were made aware by witnesses that P recently had a history of going through

withdrawal, which are believed to be a result of abuse of prescription medication.

-P's assistants arranged a meeting between P and medical professional to assess and

address P's medical concerns.

-The police asked the Judge for a search warrnat to process the scene surrounding

this unwitnessed death, and

- to collect all documentation that may include or describe information regarding Ps medical

condition, treatments, medical history, and prescriptions.

.

Sounds harsh.

Forgive me.

Lets discuss.

[Edited 4/19/17 21:24pm]

How did a pamphlet from the rehab get in the Purple Rain Room if Andrew had just arrived? The contact was made the day prior. No time for mail, ect. It is strange to me that there were 1/4 and 1/2 pills. If P's addiction was as bad as it is stated, he would not ( in my mind) be taking small amounts. Don't shoot me!! I can only go by what I know from dealing with someone addicted to script drugs. Also, was this the search warrant they were speaking of during the news conference when they stated that they would prepare the warrant and go back if need be?? Or did they find these items initially??

Maybe someone got him the pamphlet after the Moline incident. I don't think it is too unusual to see cut pills in these circumstances. The 8 orange oval pills sound like Xanax .5 to me.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Sheila E just said again that she tried to call and talk to Prince a couple of days before he passed but was not put through. Appolonia had said the same thing back in June. Neither say who they spoke with while trying to get a hold of P. But that to me sounds odd as we saw Prince out on those days, he was able to talk. Just makes me wonder if whom ever it was not letting P talk to folks that were calling was also setting up to appear he was not well or able to talk. But luckily we have pics and witnesses of P being out.

It just sounds to me like he just didn't want to talk to them.