moonsister said:

moonsister said:

moonsister said:

petalthecat said:

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

UPDATE to my post from yesterday (see below):

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zenarose said:

cloveringold85 said:

I heard a rumor that Sheila E. had asked Tyka if she could view Prince's body, and Tyka refused. Have any of y'all heard anything like this, because this is the first time I heard about it.

No, where did you see this??

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Someone on YT made that statement. If they respond to me, I will post it here.

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UPDATE: I managed to go back and find that post I was referring to. Now, I don't know where this person is getting this information from or it is just her personal opinions. See comment below & link.

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Janet Huegerich said: Sheila E. said she requested to see Prince's body and Tyka refused to allow that. Now why would Sheila want to see Prince's body? Because she knew Prince too well and I believe she thought the same as me, he is not dead. And why would Tyka refuse to let someone that close to Prince view his body? Because there is no body to view. Sheila said in an interview she had made several attempts to get a hold of Prince recently before his supposed death and she could not get through to him, like people were trying to keep her away from him and prevent her from talking to him. Why would they do that? That I do not have an answer for, but I do not trust Kirk or Tyka and I am sure they had everything to do with it and they were taking full advantage of Prince in the state he was in.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...bVvh54dHLo

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laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said:

Stop right there. See the bolded above. NEVER have I said this is what happens when the addicted use street drugs. DO NOT put words in my mouth. I said You never know what you are going to get when you get street drugs. So just STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

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And don't bring race into it. This case has nothing to do with race.

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Usually when people bring race or Hitler into the convo, it's because they've already lost the arguement and the only thing left is to throw those words into it.

Laura is right and yes you have been saying that penny. When I was driving home tonight I was thinking how I wished you would eat a burger with three grains of salt worths of fentanyl and die. It would be all your fault penny, because you ate the burger

WOW. That's not nice. You want me to die? That's going a bit to far olivia.

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said:

Stop right there. See the bolded above. NEVER have I said this is what happens when the addicted use street drugs. DO NOT put words in my mouth. I said You never know what you are going to get when you get street drugs. So just STOP IT RIGHT THERE.

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And don't bring race into it. This case has nothing to do with race.

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Usually when people bring race or Hitler into the convo, it's because they've already lost the arguement and the only thing left is to throw those words into it.

Laura is right and yes you have been saying that penny. When I was driving home tonight I was thinking how I wished you would eat a burger with three grains of salt worths of fentanyl and die. It would be all your fault penny, because you ate the burger

Oliviacamron: Did you really say what i think I just read? You wished someone dead? ?????

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What Penny is saying (I think, and Penny will correct me if I'm wrong) is there comes a time where we have at least entertain the fact that P was regularly dong drugs and probably for a long time. And it was by his own choice to take that fatal pill, even knowing it was illicit, but not knowing the quality the batch.

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As for getting from the street corner dealer? Hogwash, however I do believe if he wanted to obtain illegal drugs he had the contacts and means to do so.

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As for Sheila wanting to see the body, I wouldn't have granted that either. She may have been a Friend years ago but at that point it was simply not Sheila's business. And for all we know, P and Tyka had had conversations pertaining to Shelia.

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People (some people) make these grandious statements of what they 'think' happened, then repeat those theories so many times (hundreds) that they expect everyone else to believe it as well...after all it's been repeated so many times. (The Fox news approach, tell a lie often enough and people start to believe it.)

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As for the length of time P took any drugs and for what reason. I believe off and on since the 90's. .

Many have gone on and on ... he preached clean living .... obviously an image presented to the public, and what went behind the paisley doors were probably a different story.

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Addiction, dependence, hip pain, grins and giggles..... words, I wonder if so me even know what they are saying.

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Now as for why... he started taking drugs and when we'll never know, some think as far back as the marriage to Mayte.

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(I hate when ppl share personal stories, but here I go....) There are times in your live where you are vonerable to sucoming to simply looking for relief. Simple as that. We are tested at times.

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Several years ago I was going through a messy divorce, had to sell my house fast,, my house was worth 1/3 less due to the market, I had to move and I lost my job so the $1800 mortgage per month was frightening. All that was manageable, want sent me over the edge was during all this my son was in Iraq! That was it, if someone handed me a percoet, oxy, vicodon... I would probably said yes one or two to get me through these tough days. I had no access to any of these drugs (good thing), went to see my doctor and ended up with Xanax, that got me through. All is well now.

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What was p going through behind the scenes? What could cause stress? Anxiety?

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It's time to be open minded and accept that the Prince he presented to the world may have been only what he wanted you to see and believe.

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sorry for the rant.... peace to all.

~~DD55 (sorry for typos, it's late).

DD55 said:

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said: Laura is right and yes you have been saying that penny. When I was driving home tonight I was thinking how I wished you would eat a burger with three grains of salt worths of fentanyl and die. It would be all your fault penny, because you ate the burger

Oliviacamron: Did you really say what i think I just read? You wished someone dead? ?????

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What Penny is saying (I think, and Penny will correct me if I'm wrong) is there comes a time where we have at least entertain the fact that P was regularly doing drugs and probably for a long time. And it was by his own choice to take that fatal pill, even knowing it was illicit, but not knowing the quality the batch.

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As for getting from the street corner dealer? Hogwash, however I do believe if he wanted to obtain illegal drugs he had the contacts and means to do so.

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As for Sheila wanting to see the body, I wouldn't have granted that either. She may have been a Friend years ago but at that point it was simply not Sheila's business. And for all we know, P and Tyka had had conversations pertaining to Shelia.

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People (some people) make these grandious statements of what they 'think' happened, then repeat those theories so many times (hundreds) that they expect everyone else to believe it as well...after all it's been repeated so many times. (The Fox news approach, tell a lie often enough and people start to believe it.)

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As for the length of time P took any drugs and for what reason. I believe off and on since the 90's. .

Many have gone on and on ... he preached clean living .... obviously an image presented to the public, and what went behind the paisley doors were probably a different story.

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Addiction, dependence, hip pain, grins and giggles..... words, I wonder if so me even know what they are saying.

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Now as for why... he started taking drugs and when we'll never know, some think as far back as the marriage to Mayte.

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(I hate when ppl share personal stories, but here I go....) There are times in your live where you are vonerable to sucoming to simply looking for relief. Simple as that. We are tested at times.

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Several years ago I was going through a messy divorce, had to sell my house fast,, my house was worth 1/3 less due to the market, I had to move and I lost my job so the $1800 mortgage per month was frightening. All that was manageable, want sent me over the edge was during all this my son was in Iraq! That was it, if someone handed me a percoet, oxy, vicodon... I would probably said yes one or two to get me through these tough days. I had no access to any of these drugs (good thing), went to see my doctor and ended up with Xanax, that got me through. All is well now.

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What was p going through behind the scenes? What could cause stress? Anxiety?

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It's time to be open minded and accept that the Prince he presented to the world may have been only what he wanted you to see and believe.

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sorry for the rant.... peace to all.

~~DD55 (sorry for typos, it's late).

:\PS, one more thing Kirk was the President of L4OA, P was the director.

[Edited 5/11/17 22:35pm]

DD55 said:

DD55 said:

Oliviacamron: Did you really say what i think I just read? You wished someone dead? ?????

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What Penny is saying (I think, and Penny will correct me if I'm wrong) is there comes a time where we have at least entertain the fact that P was regularly doing drugs and probably for a long time. And it was by his own choice to take that fatal pill, even knowing it was illicit, but not knowing the quality the batch.

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As for getting from the street corner dealer? Hogwash, however I do believe if he wanted to obtain illegal drugs he had the contacts and means to do so.

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As for Sheila wanting to see the body, I wouldn't have granted that either. She may have been a Friend years ago but at that point it was simply not Sheila's business. And for all we know, P and Tyka had had conversations pertaining to Shelia.

.

People (some people) make these grandious statements of what they 'think' happened, then repeat those theories so many times (hundreds) that they expect everyone else to believe it as well...after all it's been repeated so many times. (The Fox news approach, tell a lie often enough and people start to believe it.)

.

As for the length of time P took any drugs and for what reason. I believe off and on since the 90's. .

Many have gone on and on ... he preached clean living .... obviously an image presented to the public, and what went behind the paisley doors were probably a different story.

.

Addiction, dependence, hip pain, grins and giggles..... words, I wonder if some even know what they are saying.

.

Now as for why... he started taking drugs and when we'll never know, some think as far back as the marriage to Mayte.

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(I hate when ppl share personal stories, but here I go....) There are times in your live where you are vonerable to sucoming to simply looking for relief. Simple as that. We are tested at times.

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Several years ago I was going through a messy divorce, had to sell my house fast,, my house was worth 1/3 less due to the market, I had to move and I lost my job so the $1800 mortgage per month was frightening. All that was manageable, want sent me over the edge was during all this my son was in Iraq! That was it, if someone handed me a percoet, oxy, vicodon... I would probably said yes one or two to get me through these tough days. I had no access to any of these drugs (good thing), went to see my doctor and ended up with Xanax, that got me through. All is well now.

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What was p going through behind the scenes? What could cause stress? Anxiety?

.

It's time to be open minded and accept that the Prince he presented to the world may have been only what he wanted you to see and believe.

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sorry for the rant.... peace to all.

~~DD55 (sorry for typos, it's late).

:\PS, one more thing Kirk was the President of L4OA, P was the director.

[Edited 5/11/17 22:35pm]

PennyPurple said:

oliviacamron said:

PennyPurple said:

WOW. That's not nice. You want me to die? That's going a bit to far olivia.

Not literally .

You went too far this time.

DD55 said:

oliviacamron said:

I can accept Prince just fine. I sick of penny saying the last week or more that it's Prince's own fault he is dead.

I'm sick of all the crap that you say too, but I don't wish you to die, because of your opinion differs from mine.

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My reply that Prince took those pills himself, was a reply to somebody, that said someone gave Prince those pills to poison him, that it didn't work the 1st time on the plane so they poisoned him again. That's what my comment was about. Nobody gave them to Prince and nobody poisoned Prince on purpose. See when someone like Laura twists my words around, this is what happens.

Laura, first, just because someone posts an idea you disagree with, they're not "spreading a narrative." They're talking about theories and you're simply colored by your own visceral disgust for people you classify as "recreational drug users." Again, that's a problem you need to address in yourself.

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This has been stated over and over and over, but once more for the cheap seats: If someone is dependent/addicted, they need the drugs to avoid debilitating withdrawal. I would not classify the avoidance withdrawal as "recreational," but I guess you do (you've always refused to define your terms, so I really couldn't say.") Additionally, if someone turns to substances as a coping mechanism for intensely stressful situations -- say, the loss of a child or issues coming from childhood trauma and the extrme pressures of fame, which none of us can even really imagine -- I don't think that "recreational" is a useful word there either.

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In other words, thowing that word around is frankly simplistic and childish and doesn't really tell us anything about real people living in the real world.

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As for Prince's physical pain: You, and the rest of us, have very few facts about that, one way or the other, and it's disingenuous to claim you do. The number of times Prince discussed pain publicly: ZERO. The statements we have are all from other people and mostly years old. And yes, seen the photo from 10 years ago of him sitting in a scooter, saw him talk about childhood seizures etc etc, saw Kevin Smith saying Prince said Prince knee was bothering him in 2002, that he had joint surgery, etc. so you can save time repeating that for the ten thousanth time.

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Saying this is not "discounting." It's called being factual and acknowledging what we don't actually know, espeically your assumption that he had unbearable, untreatable, crippling physical pain at the end of his life and was only trying to self-medicate that pain when conventional treatments had failed. That's a theory (a "narrative") but again, unless you've seen his medical records you don't know.

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And to Olivia: Wishing death on other posters, even if it's "not literal" is WAY beyond the pale. It's also not cool to call other posters BITCH who you disagree with. Some advice: If those posts are reflective of your true emotions, you need to log off and get real-world help.

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said:

Oliviacamron: Did you really say what i think I just read? You wished someone dead? ?????

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/-But here is the problem you are implying that he was recreational drug user since the 90s. KJ even said in the warrant that he took Prince to see Dr. S for hip problems now he could be telling another tall tale but stories about joint problems in media go back to 2002 per one told by Kevin Smith. We have heard about migraines and seizures. Notice that there are people on this board who are pushing the narrative of recreational drug use and totally discounting that he may have serious health issues possibly due to taking the pain meds. [Edited 5/12/17 3:04am]

disch said:

Laura, first, just because someone posts an idea you disagree with, they're not "spreading a narrative." They're talking about theories and you're simply colored by your own visceral disgust for people you classify as "recreational drug users." Again, that's a problem you need to address in yourself.

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This has been stated over and over and over, but once more for the cheap seats: If someone is dependent/addicted, they need the drugs to avoid debilitating withdrawal. I would not classify the avoidance withdrawal as "recreational," but I guess you do (you've always refused to define your terms, so I really couldn't say.") Additionally, if someone turns to substances as a coping mechanism for intensely stressful situations -- say, the loss of a child or issues coming from childhood trauma and the extrme pressures of fame, which none of us can even really imagine -- I don't think that "recreational" is a useful word there either.

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In other words, thowing that word around is frankly simplistic and childish and doesn't really tell us anything about real people living in the real world.

-

As for Prince's physical pain: You, and the rest of us, have very few facts about that, one way or the other, and it's disingenuous to claim you do. The number of times Prince discussed pain publicly: ZERO. The statements we have are all from other people and mostly years old. And yes, seen the photo from 10 years ago of him sitting in a scooter, saw him talk about childhood seizures etc etc, saw Kevin Smith saying Prince said Prince knee was bothering him in 2002, that he had joint surgery, etc. so you can save time repeating that for the ten thousanth time.

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Saying this is not "discounting." It's called being factual and acknowledging what we don't actually know, espeically your assumption that he had unbearable, untreatable, crippling physical pain at the end of his life and was only trying to self-medicate that pain when conventional treatments had failed. That's a theory (a "narrative") but again, unless you've seen his medical records you don't know.

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And to Olivia: Wishing death on other posters, even if it's "not literal" is WAY beyond the pale. It's also not cool to call other posters BITCH who you disagree with. Some advice: If those posts are reflective of your true emotions, you need to log off and get real-world help.

laurarichardson said:

DD55 said: /-But here is the problem you are implying that he was recreational drug user since the 90s. KJ even said in the warrant that he took Prince to see Dr. S for hip problems now he could be telling another tall tale but stories about joint problems in media go back to 2002 per one told by Kevin Smith. We have heard about migraines and seizures. Notice that there are people on this board who are pushing the narrative of recreational drug use and totally discounting that he may have serious health issues possibly due to taking the pain meds. [Edited 5/12/17 3:04am]

This is going to be the last time I bother responding to you because you read what you want to read and you do have a narrative and nothing is going to change your mind. I suspect you are transferring your own issues on to Prince. I have theories and I have explained exactly why I have those theories numerous times. Not my fault you do not read them. So here we go again.

1) Recreational drug user- someone who is using drugs because they like to get high not because they have a real medical need for the drugs. They never had a medical issue or an Rx. The user is now addicted to the drugs and cannot stop using without medical help. In the past we usually saw this with drugs that were illegal anyway and no one had any possibility of ever having an Rx and you could include excessive alcohol and tobacco consumption. Now of course people are abusing drugs that were once administered by doctors for medical reasons but the point is they never had a legitimate issue for taking them in the first place.

2) Dependency – someone who is prescribed drugs by a medical professional for a real medical problem. The person is dependent on these drugs either to live or to have a decent quality of life. I include psychotropic drugs as well because they are supposed to improve your quality of life. The point is a medical professional has decided an individual needs these drugs for medical reasons

3) I do not believe that Prince was a recreational drug user for 30 or 40 years. The proof just does not exist. I am not saying he never smoked a joint, had a drink ( he even admitted in an interview that he had his time of too much drinking). I am not going to recap that literally dozens of people some of whom knew him as a child are saying repeatly that he was not a drug user and that all of this is coming out of nowhere. I believe he had joint problems that went unattended for a long period of time and that he had an RX for pain meds and at some point and got cut off. I believe he continued to take the meds at the same dosage but at some point something happened and he started to increase his dosage thus becoming addicted. I believe all of this is in recent years since we had the first long gap of no new music beginning in 2010. The big mystery is what happened to him. Did he just start to abuse because he did indeed just become addicted or did he have a medical problem that caused him significant pain which he choose to handle by taking more meds? What made he want to withdraw? Why did he do it on an outpatient basis while trying to work? Prince is supposed to have had hip surgery out of the country so why not go out of the country for rehab and check in under an assumed name. Once you withdraw it is over and done with and if you relapse you just go back to rehab. Something else was going on with him and all of the signs are there for people who are not just stuck on the same old tired narratives.

4) Drugged out rock star and emotional pain. We simply do not have enough information to support either of those theories and those theories are put out there by people who are transposing their problems.

5) We have plenty of people some of whom worked with him in the last years of his life who are telling you he was not a recreational drug user but that he had pain problems even the rehab he was suppose to go to Recovery Without Walls has a pain management component to their program. You have numerous associates telling us repeatedly that we do not know the whole story. Would common sense not dictate that something other than recreational drug use was occurring. Not one person that knew him has waviered from their original statements and estates cannot sue for defamation so how come we are not hearing the stories.

6) If you are not open to any other thoughts about his drugs issues other than recreational drug user than you have a narrative because you are ignoring other aspects of the situation.

[Edited 5/12/17 6:03am]

Good post, LR. Ditto.

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

Laura, first, just because someone posts an idea you disagree with, they're not "spreading a narrative." They're talking about theories and you're simply colored by your own visceral disgust for people you classify as "recreational drug users." Again, that's a problem you need to address in yourself.

-

This has been stated over and over and over, but once more for the cheap seats: If someone is dependent/addicted, they need the drugs to avoid debilitating withdrawal. I would not classify the avoidance withdrawal as "recreational," but I guess you do (you've always refused to define your terms, so I really couldn't say.") Additionally, if someone turns to substances as a coping mechanism for intensely stressful situations -- say, the loss of a child or issues coming from childhood trauma and the extrme pressures of fame, which none of us can even really imagine -- I don't think that "recreational" is a useful word there either.

-

In other words, thowing that word around is frankly simplistic and childish and doesn't really tell us anything about real people living in the real world.

-

As for Prince's physical pain: You, and the rest of us, have very few facts about that, one way or the other, and it's disingenuous to claim you do. The number of times Prince discussed pain publicly: ZERO. The statements we have are all from other people and mostly years old. And yes, seen the photo from 10 years ago of him sitting in a scooter, saw him talk about childhood seizures etc etc, saw Kevin Smith saying Prince said Prince knee was bothering him in 2002, that he had joint surgery, etc. so you can save time repeating that for the ten thousanth time.

-

Saying this is not "discounting." It's called being factual and acknowledging what we don't actually know, espeically your assumption that he had unbearable, untreatable, crippling physical pain at the end of his life and was only trying to self-medicate that pain when conventional treatments had failed. That's a theory (a "narrative") but again, unless you've seen his medical records you don't know.

-

And to Olivia: Wishing death on other posters, even if it's "not literal" is WAY beyond the pale. It's also not cool to call other posters BITCH who you disagree with. Some advice: If those posts are reflective of your true emotions, you need to log off and get real-world help.

This is going to be the last time I bother responding to you because you read what you want to read and you do have a narrative and nothing is going to change your mind. I suspect you are transferring your own issues on to Prince. I have theories and I have explained exactly why I have those theories numerous times. Not my fault you do not read them. So here we go again.

1) Recreational drug user- someone who is using drugs because they like to get high not because they have a real medical need for the drugs. They never had a medical issue or an Rx. The user is now addicted to the drugs and cannot stop using without medical help. In the past we usually saw this with drugs that were illegal anyway and no one had any possibility of ever having an Rx and you could include excessive alcohol and tobacco consumption. Now of course people are abusing drugs that were once administered by doctors for medical reasons but the point is they never had a legitimate issue for taking them in the first place.

2) Dependency – someone who is prescribed drugs by a medical professional for a real medical problem. The person is dependent on these drugs either to live or to have a decent quality of life. I include psychotropic drugs as well because they are supposed to improve your quality of life. The point is a medical professional has decided an individual needs these drugs for medical reasons

3) I do not believe that Prince was a recreational drug user for 30 or 40 years. The proof just does not exist. I am not saying he never smoked a joint, had a drink ( he even admitted in an interview that he had his time of too much drinking). I am not going to recap that literally dozens of people some of whom knew him as a child are saying repeatly that he was not a drug user and that all of this is coming out of nowhere. I believe he had joint problems that went unattended for a long period of time and that he had an RX for pain meds and at some point and got cut off. I believe he continued to take the meds at the same dosage but at some point something happened and he started to increase his dosage thus becoming addicted. I believe all of this is in recent years since we had the first long gap of no new music beginning in 2010. The big mystery is what happened to him. Did he just start to abuse because he did indeed just become addicted or did he have a medical problem that caused him significant pain which he choose to handle by taking more meds? What made he want to withdraw? Why did he do it on an outpatient basis while trying to work? Prince is supposed to have had hip surgery out of the country so why not go out of the country for rehab and check in under an assumed name. Once you withdraw it is over and done with and if you relapse you just go back to rehab. Something else was going on with him and all of the signs are there for people who are not just stuck on the same old tired narratives.

4) Drugged out rock star and emotional pain. We simply do not have enough information to support either of those theories and those theories are put out there by people who are transposing their problems.

5) We have plenty of people some of whom worked with him in the last years of his life who are telling you he was not a recreational drug user but that he had pain problems even the rehab he was suppose to go to Recovery Without Walls has a pain management component to their program. You have numerous associates telling us repeatedly that we do not know the whole story. Would common sense not dictate that something other than recreational drug use was occurring. Not one person that knew him has waviered from their original statements and estates cannot sue for defamation so how come we are not hearing the stories.

6) If you are not open to any other thoughts about his drugs issues other than recreational drug user than you have a narrative because you are ignoring other aspects of the situation.

[Edited 5/12/17 6:03am]

My opinion. The definition of recreational drug user is yours and yours alone. To me a recreational drug user is a bunch of friends smoking weed on the weekend with a bunch of friends. Self medicating for depression, stress, emotional pain, etc... is not recreational in my opinion. It's masking symptoms in the only way you know how, unfortunately doing so without medical help. Or maybe you don't realize there is medical help available to help you with your issues. We have to be open to all possibilities. Since no one on this board knows for sure, even though they've build a theroy and cannot or will not bend from that rigid statnce.

And to those of you... you know who you know who you are: name calling and wishing someone harm are just wrong in so many ways I don't even know where to begin.

Peace ~~DD55

1Sasha said:

None of us know what really happened. None of us know what Prince's reality was. I think he used drugs for decades to be able to function, both emotionally and physically. But, as I have said here before, information/facts/rumor are not adding up for me. I don't believe the family wants the autopsy report revealed because of what it would say. I do think their efforts to sweep his end under the carpet have contributed to the mystery and frustration which remain.

Agree 1000% Prince controlled every aspect of his image, rehearsed obsessively to control every impression of his performances, was reclusive, had a dearth of close relationships, was habituated to cutting people out of his life when they questioned, challenged or were no longer useful to him (even wives who he SWORE before his GOD to be loving and faithful to). Why do so many on this site find it hard to believe his public image may have had very little to do with the life he lived?

Letitgo lyrics: "All my life I've kept my feelings deep inside, never was a reason 2 let somebody know...all my life this heart's been under lock and key, my curtain's were drawn and there wasn't nobody home. Trigger here, trigger there...everybody's high except 4 me, better off dead if I couldn't be alone."

He was alone and lonely his entire life. 'Everyone's high except for me" doesn't refer to drugs. IMO, it means being able to fully connect with others, being able to give and receive love BC you believe you are worthy, living an authentic life (how does one do that behind a MASK of makeup), being fuly present in a healthy reality. You may be able to get flashes of that 'high' on stage, but there's nothing lonelier than a crowd.

Letitgo again: "I, I'm ready 4 the real, give me somethig I can feel." Written in 1994; so more than 20 years ago he was howling in emotional pain and fans applauded, entertained their secret P sexual fantasies, bought the t-shirt...And inside, he was dying.

DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

This is going to be the last time I bother responding to you because you read what you want to read and you do have a narrative and nothing is going to change your mind. I suspect you are transferring your own issues on to Prince. I have theories and I have explained exactly why I have those theories numerous times. Not my fault you do not read them. So here we go again.

1) Recreational drug user- someone who is using drugs because they like to get high not because they have a real medical need for the drugs. They never had a medical issue or an Rx. The user is now addicted to the drugs and cannot stop using without medical help. In the past we usually saw this with drugs that were illegal anyway and no one had any possibility of ever having an Rx and you could include excessive alcohol and tobacco consumption. Now of course people are abusing drugs that were once administered by doctors for medical reasons but the point is they never had a legitimate issue for taking them in the first place.

2) Dependency – someone who is prescribed drugs by a medical professional for a real medical problem. The person is dependent on these drugs either to live or to have a decent quality of life. I include psychotropic drugs as well because they are supposed to improve your quality of life. The point is a medical professional has decided an individual needs these drugs for medical reasons

3) I do not believe that Prince was a recreational drug user for 30 or 40 years. The proof just does not exist. I am not saying he never smoked a joint, had a drink ( he even admitted in an interview that he had his time of too much drinking). I am not going to recap that literally dozens of people some of whom knew him as a child are saying repeatly that he was not a drug user and that all of this is coming out of nowhere. I believe he had joint problems that went unattended for a long period of time and that he had an RX for pain meds and at some point and got cut off. I believe he continued to take the meds at the same dosage but at some point something happened and he started to increase his dosage thus becoming addicted. I believe all of this is in recent years since we had the first long gap of no new music beginning in 2010. The big mystery is what happened to him. Did he just start to abuse because he did indeed just become addicted or did he have a medical problem that caused him significant pain which he choose to handle by taking more meds? What made he want to withdraw? Why did he do it on an outpatient basis while trying to work? Prince is supposed to have had hip surgery out of the country so why not go out of the country for rehab and check in under an assumed name. Once you withdraw it is over and done with and if you relapse you just go back to rehab. Something else was going on with him and all of the signs are there for people who are not just stuck on the same old tired narratives.

4) Drugged out rock star and emotional pain. We simply do not have enough information to support either of those theories and those theories are put out there by people who are transposing their problems.

5) We have plenty of people some of whom worked with him in the last years of his life who are telling you he was not a recreational drug user but that he had pain problems even the rehab he was suppose to go to Recovery Without Walls has a pain management component to their program. You have numerous associates telling us repeatedly that we do not know the whole story. Would common sense not dictate that something other than recreational drug use was occurring. Not one person that knew him has waviered from their original statements and estates cannot sue for defamation so how come we are not hearing the stories.

6) If you are not open to any other thoughts about his drugs issues other than recreational drug user than you have a narrative because you are ignoring other aspects of the situation.

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My opinion. The definition of recreational drug user is yours and yours alone. To me a recreational drug user is a bunch of friends smoking weed on the weekend with a bunch of friends. Self medicating for depression, stress, emotional pain, etc... is not recreational in my opinion. It's masking symptoms in the only way you know how, unfortunately doing so without medical help. Or maybe you don't realize there is medical help available to help you with your issues. We have to be open to all possibilities. Since no one on this board knows for sure, even though they've build a theroy and cannot or will not bend from that rigid statnce.

And to those of you... you know who you know who you are: name calling and wishing someone harm are just wrong in so many ways I don't even know where to begin.

Peace ~~DD55

Your definition is correct= People using drugs without a medical reason or Rx. If you feel depressed there are medications and therepy for you. If you choose to do something else and become addicted you are a recreational drug user. Please see the definition from a medical dictionary this is not me making up something.

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

None of us know what really happened. None of us know what Prince's reality was. I think he used drugs for decades to be able to function, both emotionally and physically. But, as I have said here before, information/facts/rumor are not adding up for me. I don't believe the family wants the autopsy report revealed because of what it would say. I do think their efforts to sweep his end under the carpet have contributed to the mystery and frustration which remain.

Agree 1000% Prince controlled every aspect of his image, rehearsed obsessively to control every impression of his performances, was reclusive, had a dearth of close relationships, was habituated to cutting people out of his life when they questioned, challenged or were no longer useful to him (even wives who he SWORE before his GOD to be loving and faithful to). Why do so many on this site find it hard to believe his public image may have had very little to do with the life he lived?

Letitgo lyrics: "All my life I've kept my feelings deep inside, never was a reason 2 let somebody know...all my life this heart's been under lock and key, my curtain's were drawn and there wasn't nobody home. Trigger here, trigger there...everybody's high except 4 me, better off dead if I couldn't be alone."

He was alone and lonely his entire life. 'Everyone's high except for me" doesn't refer to drugs. IMO, it means being able to fully connect with others, being able to give and receive love BC you believe you are worthy, living an authentic life (how does one do that behind a MASK of makeup), being fuly present in a healthy reality. You may be able to get flashes of that 'high' on stage, but there's nothing lonelier than a crowd.

Letitgo again: "I, I'm ready 4 the real, give me somethig I can feel." Written in 1994; so more than 20 years ago he was howling in emotional pain and fans applauded, entertained their secret P sexual fantasies, bought the t-shirt...And inside, he was dying.

If he used drugs without a medical reason for decades he would not have been fuctioning at the same level for decades. Sly Stone is a perfect example.

No reason he could not have been using meds for joint pain, seziures or migraines. I do not think the family wants the full report release because it will show he was not in good health outside of pain pills. I also think they may not have been aware of all the details of his health until after he passed.