PennyPurple said:

Possibly the Dr's son brought the pamphlet with him to discuss treatment options, and laid it down while looking for Prince? (Where is the Purple Rain room?)IDK...all that crap the son brought with him in envelopes was not only highly suspicious, but highly illegal as well...his "help" appeared to be "under the table". It surely wasn't handled in a professional manner or "above board"

precioux said:

1Sasha said:

I have brought up many times that I have thought there was a connection between Prince's death and the Grand Slam manager's death, and not just the fact that the opioid epidemic is massive in Minnesota.

He died in June, 2016

June. that song has been driving me crazy trying to figure it out

muleFunk said:

MrNelson7 said:

I did not catch that when I read the warrants. That is a really interesting thought.

This is what people are missing!!!!

It looks like a "serious addiction" when all of these pills are found but they are under a legal prescription for Kirk Johnson BUT there is the Watson 865 counterfeit Vicodin in an unlabled asprin bottle.

Why would Prince need counterfeit meds off the street when the doctor gave him a prescription the night before?

I was accepting of this before thinking he OD on Percocet but the Vicodin is a curve ball. No crime scene was done on the 21st.

this shit is a brain twister, we need to hire the best pi money can buy.

cloveringold85 said:

Hey, Precioux, PurpleDiamonds1, PennyPurple, Zenarose, Dibble, Oliviamom: I saw the other thread got locked, but just wanted to say "thank you" for the warm welcome back! Sorry I've been away so long. Sending y'all some purple love!

We missed you.

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Sheila E just said again that she tried to call and talk to Prince a couple of days before he passed but was not put through. Appolonia had said the same thing back in June. Neither say who they spoke with while trying to get a hold of P. But that to me sounds odd as we saw Prince out on those days, he was able to talk. Just makes me wonder if whom ever it was not letting P talk to folks that were calling was also setting up to appear he was not well or able to talk. But luckily we have pics and witnesses of P being out.

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It is very strange, indeed. I'm assuming that Sheila E. did not have Prince's personal e-mail, because she could have communicated with him via e-mail. We still don't know who the person on the receiving end was. Was it KJ?

Or maybe Prince did not want to talk to certain people. Didn't he and Sheila have a falling out a few years before? I don't think that they were on the best of terms.

PeteSilas said:

muleFunk said:

This is what people are missing!!!!

It looks like a "serious addiction" when all of these pills are found but they are under a legal prescription for Kirk Johnson BUT there is the Watson 865 counterfeit Vicodin in an unlabled asprin bottle.

Why would Prince need counterfeit meds off the street when the doctor gave him a prescription the night before?

I was accepting of this before thinking he OD on Percocet but the Vicodin is a curve ball. No crime scene was done on the 21st.

this shit is a brain twister, we need to hire the best pi money can buy.

You have bottles with pills broke in half so it looks like he knew how to manage his dosages.

I'm thinking that someone could have either been stealing his meds and putting counterfeit meds to replace the ones stolen. It's also in the realm of possibility that the man could have been taking these pills and gotten worse in the dependency of those pills not being hydrocordone pills. Something happened to make him drop weight. So his problem is not an issue with me.

Then when he realizes what's happening and trying to get help he dies with his shoes on backward.

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

zenarose said: I agree, great point about the pamphlet, It makes sense that Andrew arrived the day before. Also if he was so addicted and could not get enough of the pills they would not be cut in half. [Edited 4/19/17 22:48pm]

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^^ ^^

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Another thing that I find incredibly strange is why would Prince have a bunch of pain pills stewn about his living quarters, yet have Kirk run to Walgreen's to pick up more pain pills? That does not make any sense!

I don't think that the pills were stewn about his living quarters. From what I gather there were some pills in his bedroom, laundry room, and dressing room - I believe these were in bottles, although not Rx bottles. There were pills spilled out in his duffle bag also.

It sounds to me like Prince was trying to detox himself, so he was trying to avoid the pills that he already had. The pills that Kirk got for him were probably to ease the withdrawal symptoms until he could get into a treatment program.

cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

Personally, if we're referencing the Rx for oxy (picked up on the 14th?) I think that was to "tide P over" until the others came in. I also think that P trying to detox himself, he may have "flushed" or got rid of what he originally had, changed his mind, then had KJ obtain oxy on the 14th until the illicit ones came in. Just my

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Yes, the Rx for the Oxycodone. What gets me upset is that his doctor's did not seem to be doing a good job at treating him. You don't keep prescribing more pain meds to someone who is going through withdrawals and clearly needs immediate medical attention, ya know? It breaks my heart because if Prince was in that much pain and didn't get the help he needed, just makes it even more hard to deal with. His death could have been prevented.

Sometimes when you go cold turkey from these pain meds it is very dangerous and life threatening. It's better to gradually decrease the meds.

muleFunk said:

PeteSilas said:

this shit is a brain twister, we need to hire the best pi money can buy.

You have bottles with pills broke in half so it looks like he knew how to manage his dosages.

I'm thinking that someone could have either been stealing his meds and putting counterfeit meds to replace the ones stolen. It's also in the realm of possibility that the man could have been taking these pills and gotten worse in the dependency of those pills not being hydrocordone pills. Something happened to make him drop weight. So his problem is not an issue with me.

Then when he realizes what's happening and trying to get help he dies with his shoes on backward.

LIGHTBULB

tmo1965 said:

Not sure about some of the 1/4-1/2 pills seems like he was being cautious about what he was taking. Prince was not aware of going into a treatment program. That was a thought from his assistants according to the warrant

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Had not thought of someone stealing and filling Ps meds with fakes. Seems very possible...
[Edited 4/20/17 19:44pm]

tmo1965 said:

Or could Kirk be getting prince pills to keep him from getting better

muleFunk said:

This is what people are missing!!!!

It looks like a "serious addiction" when all of these pills are found but they are under a legal prescription for Kirk Johnson BUT there is the Watson 865 counterfeit Vicodin in an unlabled asprin bottle.

Why would Prince need counterfeit meds off the street when the doctor gave him a prescription the night before?

I was accepting of this before thinking he OD on Percocet but the Vicodin is a curve ball. No crime scene was done on the 21st.

All the pills listed under Search Warrant #1 were not under a prescription for Kirk Johnson.

Why do you think there was no crime scene on the 21st?

The warrant signed by the Judge from 4-21-16 declared it a crime scene.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

OK, so why did CCSO not secure PP until their search warrant could be obtained. Instead there was so much traffic in and out contaminating the scene. They knew the circumstances and they knew they were preparing a search warrant to present to a Judge. This is something that I really don't understand. EVERYTHING was done way too fast.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muleFunk said:

This is what people are missing!!!!

It looks like a "serious addiction" when all of these pills are found but they are under a legal prescription for Kirk Johnson BUT there is the Watson 865 counterfeit Vicodin in an unlabled asprin bottle.

Why would Prince need counterfeit meds off the street when the doctor gave him a prescription the night before?

I was accepting of this before thinking he OD on Percocet but the Vicodin is a curve ball. No crime scene was done on the 21st.

All the pills listed under Search Warrant #1 were not under a prescription for Kirk Johnson.

Why do you think there was no crime scene on the 21st?

The warrant signed by the Judge from 4-21-16 declared it a crime scene.

That warrant could have been done for the body ... fingernails,fluid tests, swabbing.

PP was not searched until later when those pills were found in May after the toxicology tests came back.

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All the pills listed under Search Warrant #1 were not under a prescription for Kirk Johnson.

Why do you think there was no crime scene on the 21st?

The warrant signed by the Judge from 4-21-16 declared it a crime scene.

OK, so why did CCSO not secure PP until their search warrant could be obtained. Instead there was so much traffic in and out contaminating the scene. They knew the circumstances and they knew they were preparing a search warrant to present to a Judge. This is something that I really don't understand. EVERYTHING was done way too fast.

The Detective request for the search warrant also described it as a crime scene.

Why do you think the police did not secure the scene?

muleFunk said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All the pills listed under Search Warrant #1 were not under a prescription for Kirk Johnson.

Why do you think there was no crime scene on the 21st?

The warrant signed by the Judge from 4-21-16 declared it a crime scene.

That warrant could have been done for the body ... fingernails,fluid tests, swabbing.

PP was not searched until later when those pills were found in May after the toxicology tests came back.

That is not what the inventory and request for a Search Warrant shows.

Look at the inventory on the Receipt, Inventory and Return from

4-21-16 signed by the Detective.

Have you read the paperwork from 4-21-16?

All the pills were taken into custody on 4-21-16.

[Edited 4/20/17 20:21pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muleFunk said:

This is what people are missing!!!!

It looks like a "serious addiction" when all of these pills are found but they are under a legal prescription for Kirk Johnson BUT there is the Watson 865 counterfeit Vicodin in an unlabled asprin bottle.

Why would Prince need counterfeit meds off the street when the doctor gave him a prescription the night before?

I was accepting of this before thinking he OD on Percocet but the Vicodin is a curve ball. No crime scene was done on the 21st.

All the pills listed under Search Warrant #1 were not under a prescription for Kirk Johnson.

Why do you think there was no crime scene on the 21st?

The warrant signed by the Judge from 4-21-16 declared it a crime scene.

The ones that weren't were in the aspirin bottles. That's the ones that had the fake Vicodin pills inside. The leak in August said that Prince only had the fatal amount of Fentanyl in his system.

64 pills doesn't sound like he had been popping them like candy.

muleFunk said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All the pills listed under Search Warrant #1 were not under a prescription for Kirk Johnson.

Why do you think there was no crime scene on the 21st?

The warrant signed by the Judge from 4-21-16 declared it a crime scene.

The ones that weren't were in the aspirin bottles. That's the ones that had the fake Vicodin pills inside. The leak in August said that Prince only had the fatal amount of Fentanyl in his system.

64 pills doesn't sound like he had been popping them like candy.

huh?

muleFunk said:

The search warrants we are viewing are from CCSO NOT the DEA. Those have not been released and the DEA search happened in May.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

The search warrants we are viewing are from CCSO NOT the DEA. Those have not been released and the DEA search happened in May.

Yep Purple.

oliviacamron said:

precioux said:

He died in June, 2016

June. that song has been driving me crazy trying to figure it out

June, released September 2015. There's no connection.

fortuneandserendipity said:

This thread is so wrong

is that your buddy jimmy saville?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

zenarose said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: OK, so why did CCSO not secure PP until their search warrant could be obtained. Instead there was so much traffic in and out contaminating the scene. They knew the circumstances and they knew they were preparing a search warrant to present to a Judge. This is something that I really don't understand. EVERYTHING was done way too fast.

The Detective request for the search warrant also described it as a crime scene.

Why do you think the police did not secure the scene?

Because people were in and out that day. Sheila E just did an interview were she said she walked around the whole place after he died. The had a funeral service at Paisely Park and they mention the lap being moved from its original location when the DEA/Carver county came back in May.

This place was not secured and the fact that the people that worked for him were busy texting and making phone calls right after he died so much so that the police did a data dump of their phones tells you something weird was going on.

I also thought it was strange that associates have given conflicted accounts to the police and Kirk just outright lied.

Has anyone wondered why Dr. S would prescribe pain pills for Kirk. What are the chances that Kirk needs pain meds and his boss is having a problem with them?

Why would Kirk lie when he must have known that Dr. S would have something in writing to say what drugs would go to Kirk and what drugs would go to Prince?

We know the drugs prescribed to Prince can be used to assist with withdrawals but they do have other uses but there is nothing embarrassing about them and Prince has been picking up meds from the pharmacy for a while. Why the sudden need for privacy? Did he suspect someone on his team or even the pharmacy was snitching to the media? Because someone was following him around and taking pictures.

Many questions and many things that do not add up.

muleFunk said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All the pills listed under Search Warrant #1 were not under a prescription for Kirk Johnson.

Why do you think there was no crime scene on the 21st?

The warrant signed by the Judge from 4-21-16 declared it a crime scene.

The ones that weren't were in the aspirin bottles. That's the ones that had the fake Vicodin pills inside. The leak in August said that Prince only had the fatal amount of Fentanyl in his system.

64 pills doesn't sound like he had been popping them like candy.

He had a lot of pills that he had not eaten obvisouly and it has been discussed before that people do not usually die from pill overdoses because they throw them up. Usually it is the pills being mixed with other substances or alcohol.

No way was he popping pills like candy. Some of the pills they found were cut in half. I think he was trying to ween himself and Dr. S prescribed drugs to help with the withdrawals but I think that bad batch was making him ill and I do not think he was aware of it at all.

Just the fact that is staff was being evasive makes me think they know something about where these pills came from.

Or, our meticulous Prince placed the pill stashes/ left them where they were
knowingly
as taking the 1 pill does not appear intentional.
Unless it was/ aware of counterfeit deadly pill.
Anyway you look at it judge, judge and shame.
End of life decision shame.
Love ❤️ forever Prince. Thank you for all of it.

petalthecat said:

disch said:

it's possible he refused care (that's why I specified that the evidence shows that he wasn't getting ongoing care, not that he was never diagnosed). But in all honesty, that seems unlikely. Clearly the idea of taking medication/drugs wasn't an obstacle for him, and even people who have terminal conditions and refuse life-extending treatment normally accept medical palliative care to ease pain and suffering.

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It's hard for me to wrap my head around him being diagnosed with a severe or terminal condition, refusing any legit medical care, yet buying and taking illegal opioids? (And as a side note, this condition not even mentioned anywhere by the ME as a signficant condition on her death report?)

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For me, I feel like I have enough info to exclude that possibility; I know have different thresholds for excluding possibilities.

Nothing can be ruled out but I agree, and I really do think any underlying illness contributing to his death would have been revealed by now.

It would not be revelved because of HIPPA and if had a an illness that did not contribute to his death the police would not be interested. Joint pain is a health issue and these pills cause health problems.

muleFunk said:

MrNelson7 said:

I did not catch that when I read the warrants. That is a really interesting thought.

This is what people are missing!!!!

It looks like a "serious addiction" when all of these pills are found but they are under a legal prescription for Kirk Johnson BUT there is the Watson 865 counterfeit Vicodin in an unlabled asprin bottle.

Why would Prince need counterfeit meds off the street when the doctor gave him a prescription the night before?

I was accepting of this before thinking he OD on Percocet but the Vicodin is a curve ball. No crime scene was done on the 21st.

It is weird that the doctor is saying he did not prescribe pain pills for Prince but only for Kirk.

GTFOH that Kirk just happens to need pain pills!!! while his boss is going thru withdrawals.

I do not believe the coincedence of this at all. I think the doctor wrote those pain pills for Prince maybe to help with the withdrawals or maybe some slick way of getting him pills but he also wrote meds to help with the withdrawals. Confusing!!!

The whole thing throws a curve ball into everything but the writing the Rx under Kirk's name and following the protocols does get the Dr off the hook and puts Kirk on the hook unless he unlocks that Vault in his head.

Thought...Kirk may have been the one with the problem and he used Prince...

This has been mentioned before and P did that song at one of his last concerts and said pretty much said Kirk was using him.
Some felt it was about a woman...I disagree and feel P was telling us what was going on.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I'm going to go back and research the news conference with the CC Sheriff. Maybe I missed heard him.