disch said:

Laura, please don't manipulate or misstate what I've said.

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To be clear: I believe he had serious opioid-related health problems (withdrawal) the week prior to his death. I believe these problems were very concerning to those close to him. I believe he made a few minimal public appearances specifically to try to appear "fine" to the public, when he actually wasn't.

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What do you believe?

laurarichardson said:

No you are saying that. The only statement we have about Prince's health after Moline is the lawyer speaking for Dr. K who never examined Prince or saw him. Not one other person willing to have there name used has mentioned that he was gravely ill. Every report about his health came from the tabs with not one person who encourted him agreeing that he was gravely ill. It is not even mentioned in the search warrant only that he had recently been experiencing withdrawals and was prescribed meds that are usually given to people who are withdrawing. We have no other idea if his stituation was grave but apparently Dr. S felt prescribing him a rack of anti-anxiety meds was suitable enough for the night. I am sticking to the facts. You realize that if people around were not telling lies and being crytic we would not even be having this conversation. Kirk could have explained to the police actually what happened on the 20th instead of telling tales and going on vacation.

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My assessment exactly, based on what we do know so far. We was far from fine, but wanted to make sure nobody would realize there was something wrong, least of all that he was struggling with an addiction.

laurarichardson said:

It's not discrediting -- here are all his public appearances in that week:

- PP party: 15 minutes

- record store: 30 minutes (esimate)

- Dakota show: 90 minutes (estimate)

- bike ride: 15 minutes (esimate)

- drug-store parking lot: 15 minutes (esimate). The drug-store sighting occurred minutes before he was allegedly dropped off at PP; it wasn't a "separate outing." And there's a good chance that the dr's visit immediately preceded the drug-store (since he was likely picking up scripts from that Dr's visit).

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Sum total in public: 155 minutes. That represents less than 2% of all the time between OD #1 and OD #2. We have no real idea what he was experiencing/doing for the remaining 98% of the time, and franking we don't even really know what he was experiencing during that 2%.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

So it sounds now like you're arguing that he was in fine health the final week of his life? That's certainly a new point of view!

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Well, we'll just agree to disagree that the evidence we know points to that. I don't think that the minimal outings (such as "throwing a party" that he appeared at for 15 minutes, pacing around a drug-store parking lot, or shopping for a few minutes in a record store) prove that he was not suffering from health issues that week; everything else we've heard about that week says that his health problems were a real concern to those around him.

I agree with Laura...she pointed out what we have seen of Prince and have discussed for some time. He did more than I do in those days leading up to his death, and I am very healthy! Why discredit this? Is it because it shows he was not WD...

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Stop right there!! How in the world did you get out of my sentenance everything you said above? I did not say that. And AGAIN many people do not have those side effects.

I did not say you said it but go out on the internet and read people's comments many people think this. No one is going to abuse pain pills for 20 years and it does not effect their behavior, not side effects ever and no effect on their long term health. Ask yourself why he started looking bad in January?

I don't agree with that. When my mother in law had surgery she was on Vicodin and it turned her into a psycho witch, just totally not herself. My husband was on them for his back he was the sweetest man ever, a lot happier than my normal hubby would be. So they affect everybody differently.

disch said:

It's not discrediting -- here are all his public appearances in that week:

- PP party: 15 minutes

- record store: 30 minutes (esimate)

- Dakota show: 90 minutes (estimate)

- bike ride: 15 minutes (esimate)

- drug-store parking lot: 15 minutes (esimate). The drug-store sighting occurred minutes before he was allegedly dropped off at PP; it wasn't a "separate outing." And there's a good chance that the dr's visit immediately preceded the drug-store (since he was likely picking up scripts from that Dr's visit).

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Sum total in public: 155 minutes. That represents less than 2% of all the time between OD #1 and OD #2. We have no real idea what he was experiencing/doing for the remaining 98% of the time, and franking we don't even really know what he was experiencing during that 2%.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said: I agree with Laura...she pointed out what we have seen of Prince and have discussed for some time. He did more than I do in those days leading up to his death, and I am very healthy! Why discredit this? Is it because it shows he was not WD...

Thank you.

You are reaching. You have no way of knowing how long Prince was at the record store, dakota or bike ride. You are also not taking the drive time into town to get to the Dakota and record store. We also have no idea what time he went to the pharmacy as the pic show daylight and the police said he returned to PP at 8:00 pm. Oh we also have no idea what time he even went to the doctor's office.

We have no time line for his last day and no real time line for that week. He could have been out more than reported and his staff obvisouly saw him. Remember people in his hometown saw him all the time and may not have thought anything about it at the time. In addtion, I remember reading after he passed that the tabs sent reporters to sniff around and no one would talk to them so if someone interacted with him that are not going to say anything about it.

disch said:

It's not discrediting -- here are all his public appearances in that week:

- PP party: 15 minutes

- record store: 30 minutes (esimate)

- Dakota show: 90 minutes (estimate)

- bike ride: 15 minutes (esimate)

- drug-store parking lot: 15 minutes (esimate). The drug-store sighting occurred minutes before he was allegedly dropped off at PP; it wasn't a "separate outing." And there's a good chance that the dr's visit immediately preceded the drug-store (since he was likely picking up scripts from that Dr's visit).

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Sum total in public: 155 minutes. That represents less than 2% of all the time between OD #1 and OD #2. We have no real idea what he was experiencing/doing for the remaining 98% of the time, and franking we don't even really know what he was experiencing during that 2%.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said: I agree with Laura...she pointed out what we have seen of Prince and have discussed for some time. He did more than I do in those days leading up to his death, and I am very healthy! Why discredit this? Is it because it shows he was not WD...

disch said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

Family and friends were in the building. When the DEA came back to pick up the computer it had been moved from Prince's bedroom to an office location. We have no way of knowing if that computer was tampered with and why anyone was in Prince' s living quarters after the police left.

In addtion, we have no idea what happened in the 45 minutes it took to call 911. The building should have been on a lockdown just based on the valuables in the building. I have watched people tear up steal stuff after a person had died. The computer should have been taken to out by the police on the 21st and no one should have gone into his personal living quarters.

We already know a church was stolen after he died and contracts he signed are being ignored or cannot be located who knows what else has happened because of the building was not secured. The police belived they had a simple o.d. which may have been based on what they were told by Kirk only to find out something else later.

You're correct Laura. Also we were questioning his Instagram was being tampered with as well as his other social media posts being removed by someone other than Prince...

Were changes made to his instagram that week or right after he died? We know he communicated via land line and e-mail and many people left messages with a male who said they would deliver the messages. I believe Sheila E said she did not recoginze the voice that told her he was sleeping. and she never got a call back. I know the first day she was carrying on about finding out who did this to him. Why would she automatically thing someone did something to him?

manabean84 said:

laurarichardson said:

I did not say you said it but go out on the internet and read people's comments many people think this. No one is going to abuse pain pills for 20 years and it does not effect their behavior, not side effects ever and no effect on their long term health. Ask yourself why he started looking bad in January?

I don't agree with that. When my mother in law had surgery she was on Vicodin and it turned her into a psycho witch, just totally not herself. My husband was on them for his back he was the sweetest man ever, a lot happier than my normal hubby would be. So they affect everybody differently.

You just described two people's who disposition changed when they took the pain pills. One in the negative and one in the positive I assume these people were taking a dosage prescribed for them and not abusing the meds.

Another thing: who was going in and out of PP between Tuesday night and the end? JH had hightailed it to LA. KJ had keys, apparently, for 24/7 access. Was Meron there - did she have keys? Who else? No security at all. The kid - the suitcase packer - I forget his name - went to visit family at Prince's behest. Who else was there who could have seen Prince? Was anyone allowed to speak with him? Did he call Will Smith, or did Will call him?

Laura, please read what I wrote before responding. I said time spent in public. We don't know what he was experiencing during non-public time he may have spent in a car or in a doctor's office, for example -- and frankly spending time in a doctor's office doesn't exactly speak to being in rip-roaring good health.

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And you are correct that I am basing this on facts we know. What else might have been occuring with him, for good or bad, we don't know, so we can all use our imagination but imagination is all it would be. I personally do believe there is enough info out there that his health situation was very concerning to those around him during his last week -- and especially his last day -- of life. But it sounds like you don't believe that others around him were legitimately concerned about this health at that time?

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So: It sounds like you're now saying you feel he was in fine physical health during his final week of life? Am I understanding your argument correctly?

laurarichardson said:

You are reaching. You have no way of knowing how long Prince was at the record store, dakota or bike ride. You are also not taking the drive time into town to get to the Dakota and record store. We also have no idea what time he went to the pharmacy as the pic show daylight and the police said he returned to PP at 8:00 pm. Oh we also have no idea what time he even went to the doctor's office.

We have no time line for his last day and no real time line for that week. He could have been out more than reported and his staff obvisouly saw him. Remember people in his hometown saw him all the time and may not have thought anything about it at the time. In addtion, I remember reading after he passed that the tabs sent reporters to sniff around and no one would talk to them so if someone interacted with him that are not going to say anything about it.

disch said:

It's not discrediting -- here are all his public appearances in that week:

- PP party: 15 minutes

- record store: 30 minutes (esimate)

- Dakota show: 90 minutes (estimate)

- bike ride: 15 minutes (esimate)

- drug-store parking lot: 15 minutes (esimate). The drug-store sighting occurred minutes before he was allegedly dropped off at PP; it wasn't a "separate outing." And there's a good chance that the dr's visit immediately preceded the drug-store (since he was likely picking up scripts from that Dr's visit).

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Sum total in public: 155 minutes. That represents less than 2% of all the time between OD #1 and OD #2. We have no real idea what he was experiencing/doing for the remaining 98% of the time, and franking we don't even really know what he was experiencing during that 2%.

[Edited 4/24/17 10:52am]

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

1Sasha said:

Another thing: who was going in and out of PP between Tuesday night and the end? JH had hightailed it to LA. KJ had keys, apparently, for 24/7 access. Was Meron there - did she have keys? Who else? No security at all. The kid - the suitcase packer - I forget his name - went to visit family at Prince's behest. Who else was there who could have seen Prince? Was anyone allowed to speak with him? Did he call Will Smith, or did Will call him?

True...do not know who had been given keys to PP. Thinking out loud here...if JH had a key she could have given it to DrKs son as the warrant showed a single key.

I doubt too many people had keys.

PennyPurple said:

In the link I gave in post 532 did anyone catch the fact that Prince had the script from Dr. S filled 4 times the week before his death?

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What?! I did not catch that. No doctor would allow a refill 4 times in one week!!

I read some of the comments here and I really cannot understand how some people could possibly think that Prince was "stable" in the last week of his life. He overdosed 5 days before his death. That does not sound like someone who is in "stable" condition, imo.

laurarichardson said:

manabean84 said:

I don't agree with that. When my mother in law had surgery she was on Vicodin and it turned her into a psycho witch, just totally not herself. My husband was on them for his back he was the sweetest man ever, a lot happier than my normal hubby would be. So they affect everybody differently.

You just described two people's who disposition changed when they took the pain pills. One in the negative and one in the positive I assume these people were taking a dosage prescribed for them and not abusing the meds. Imagine if they were abusing.

Not sure if any of you saw this on YT, but a lot of stuff is being said about KJ.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...WapRYu8Ct8

Article from People magazine, dated April 18, 2017:

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Dr. S said:

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“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

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“Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka … and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince,” one document states.

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Really? First time you ever did that for Prince? Hmmm

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http://people.com/music/p...er-claims/

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cloveringold85 said:

I read some of the comments here and I really cannot understand how some people could possibly think that Prince was "stable" in the last week of his life. He overdosed 5 days before his death. That does not sound like someone who is in "stable" condition, imo.

I never said he was in stable condition. I just think it is weird that he was getting around if he was gravely ill. I have actually been gravely ill and was not getting around anywhere but in an ambulance. In fact if he was really ill no one had to listen to one word he was saying. What was he going to do about it?

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

In the link I gave in post 532 did anyone catch the fact that Prince had the script from Dr. S filled 4 times the week before his death?

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What?! I did not catch that. No doctor would allow a refill 4 times in one week!!

I think we all know something was going on with Dr. S but I believe he followed the protocals for writing these scripts under Kirk's name so he is in the clear for any illegal. Just to me was not being ethical and should have sent Prince to another physician.

cloveringold85 said:

Article from People magazine, dated April 18, 2017:

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Dr. S said:

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“Dr. Schulenberg has been and remains committed to providing full transparency regarding his practice as it relates to the Prince investigation. Dr. Schulenberg has previously disclosed all information regarding his care and treatment of Prince to his former employer, law enforcement authorities and regulatory authorities in the course of his complete cooperation with the investigation of Prince’s death. There are no restrictions on Dr. Schulenberg’s medical license, and contrary to headlines and media reports published in the wake of [Monday]’s unsealing of search warrants relating to the investigation, Dr. Schulenberg never directly prescribed opioids to Prince, nor did he ever prescribe opioids to any other person with the intent that they would be given to Prince.”

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“Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam. On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka … and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince,” one document states.

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Really? First time you ever did that for Prince? Hmmm

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http://people.com/music/p...er-claims/

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[Edited 4/24/17 11:38am]

No he got caught lying about this in the search warrant he went on the 7th as well and the pain pills were prescribed for him. Making me ask why does Kirk need pain pills?

This is just messy enough that no one may be charged.

1Sasha said:

This is just messy enough that no one may be charged.

I do not think anyone will be charged because the police cannot prove anything I think they have suspects but they are not going to move forward with out solid evidence. Even the little things like bringing drugs across state lines, giving your friend your meds or prescribing too meds could be ignored althought I think a message should be sent but we will see.

1Sasha said:

PennyPurple said:

I would imagine PP was not accessible to many. I am sure Kirk did and maybe the techs and facilities people and that is it.

What is interesting is that Kirk and Dr. S have been very quiet since 4/21. Since the warrants have been released (or close to it), they both have spoken in public. And it is almost as Dr. S is changing his story ever slightly. Perhaps LE (law enforcement) planned this all along. Keep the warrants sealed, and then when they are opened, they hoped for them to slip up or contradict each other on the "record".

The only 1 that has been silent is Meron. But then she is not in the circle of Prince, Dr. S and Kirk. I am sure the investigators have a lot more information than what we have been told, read or that has been "leaked". Not to mention, the DEA is still sealed. Supposedly, the DEA turned the files to the AG (attorney general) but nothing has been released publicly on that. I think I read it on in the Star Tribune.

I will be surprised if anyone is ever charged with a crime. I believe the DEA is more interested in the supplier and chain of the fentanyl pills than who provided them or obtained them for Prince. Maybe that is holding up Carver County from charges. The DEA does not want the federal case compromised by charging someone. Who knows.

nelcp777 said:

disch said:

We have no idea what total time he spent in public none whatsoever. We have no idea how ill he was and no I do not think he was doing jumping jacks down the street however, f he was has gravely ill as Dr. K stated who never even saw him he would not have been getting around at all.

I guess I have a different definition of gravely ill then you do. I had a pancreatis and was puking and sceaming in pain. Someone called 911 for me and even if I did not want to go I was going to stop the pain they made me want to run my head into a wall. That is gravely ill. You go to the hospital because you are in extreme pain and have no choice and no strenght to resist.

In my mind that is what gravely ill means it means bed ridden and someone with half a brain calling 911 if someone had done that the paramedics would have came out to PP and would have a written record of what was going on and it would appear someone cared. Because right now no one is helping with the investigation and telling lies, making calls and texting while best friend has gone into rigor mortis, and still collecting a paycheck is not showing fucking concern. It is called CYA.

I do not think these associates were his friends at all. Friends do not give a fuck if you get mad and fire them they pick up the phone and call 911/even the cops or they walk away and do not enable. These idiots did not have enought sense to even clean up his room before the cops came if that shit was even up in his room at all. Some friends.

disch said:

Laura, please read what I wrote before responding. I said time spent in public. We don't know what he was experiencing during non-public time he may have spent in a car or in a doctor's office, for example -- and frankly spending time in a doctor's office doesn't exactly speak to being in rip-roaring good health.

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And you are correct that I am basing this on facts we know. What else might have been occuring with him, for good or bad, we don't know, so we can all use our imagination but imagination is all it would be. I personally do believe there is enough info out there that his health situation was very concerning to those around him during his last week -- and especially his last day -- of life. But it sounds like you don't believe that others around him were legitimately concerned about this health at that time?

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So: It sounds like you're now saying you feel he was in fine physical health during his final week of life? Am I understanding your argument correctly?

laurarichardson said:

You are reaching. You have no way of knowing how long Prince was at the record store, dakota or bike ride. You are also not taking the drive time into town to get to the Dakota and record store. We also have no idea what time he went to the pharmacy as the pic show daylight and the police said he returned to PP at 8:00 pm. Oh we also have no idea what time he even went to the doctor's office.

We have no time line for his last day and no real time line for that week. He could have been out more than reported and his staff obvisouly saw him. Remember people in his hometown saw him all the time and may not have thought anything about it at the time. In addtion, I remember reading after he passed that the tabs sent reporters to sniff around and no one would talk to them so if someone interacted with him that are not going to say anything about it.

[Edited 4/24/17 10:52am]