TheEnglishGent said:

MIRvmn said:

That's not true -- thre are answers to many question (not all, of course; when in life is EVERY question answered?). It just depends on an individual's decision to accept or reject those answers.

morningsong said:

What else is there to say except to speculate just like we've been doing this whole year? Still no answers to any questions.

morningsong said:

MrNelson7 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Baby I will talk search warrants with you.

Do you want to start with Search Warrant #1?

LOL. This has such a seductive tone to it.

morningsong said:

disch said:

zenarose said:

morningsong said:

morningsong said:

zenarose said:

Not all the answers are new (I didn't catch that's what you meant)-- but, in my view, I have accepted these answers:

- His death was an accident. It was a fentanyl OD. He administered the fentanyl himself (ME's report). The fentanyl was contained in illicit opioids. Fentanyl contamination of illicit counterfeit opioids is a widespread, nationwide problem (DEA report from July 2016). It is not strange or unique to Prince. He likely had no idea he was consuming fentanyl.

- He ODed on opioids on the plane. He refused the suggestion of the medical staff for additional drug treatment. (was in the warrant). I've accepted he took these plane opioids knowingly, although he may not have known exactly what was in the pills (they might have been counterfeit).

- He was not undergoing treatment for any another serious chronic or terminal illness. I accept this because of the warrant that listed no medications at his home that would align with a doctor's treatment for something (all the drugs listed were illicit opioids and/or opioids and other medications prescribed to Kirk). Additionally the warrant included a claim from Kirk that Prince had no regular doctor than Dr. S (and Prince saw Dr. S only a few times). Also the ME's report had no other contributing or significant conditions listed.

- he was addicted to opioids and was struggling against this. I accept this answer because everything that has been reported -- his previous OD, his death by OD, the presence of illicit opioids along with opioids prescribed to someone else -- aligns with an addiction issue.

- At least one person near him recognized the gravity of the situation and contacted Dr. K. Dr. K and his son had nothing to do with Prince's death. I accept the timeline (from the warrant and from Dr. K's lawyer's interview last May) that said they were not contacted directly until hours before Prince's fatal OD and that Andrew didn't arrive at PP until the morning of April 21 (as in the warrant).

-

So for me, the questions at are outstanding, I guess, are:

- Why did the situation come to a head in April?

- Where did he get the illicit opioids?

- How were the people around him part of his relationship with opioids?

- How long was he taking opioids? Why did he start taking them?

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I'm personally am not consumed with a need to see all of these questions answers. I know they may never really be. I guess I'd be most personally curious about #1 above

morningsong said:

disch said:

That's not true -- thre are answers to many question (not all, of course; when in life is EVERY question answered?). It just depends on an individual's decision to accept or reject those answers.

Instead of calling yourself chastising a person why don't you share these new answers. Because for the life of me I don't see any, we already knew there were a bunch of different pills in a lot of different bottles.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:22am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Search Warrant #1 requested on 4-21-16

Items taken into custody:

-15 Watson capsules number 852 found in 2nd floor dressing room.

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky said name Vitamin D2 containing 7 green capsules with #194

-8 orange oval pills located Mirror Room inside suitcase on 2nd floor.

-Bayer Bottle with 64 1/4 white pills with Watson 853

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky containing Ondasetron HCL 8 mg. Inside 10 white

pills inscription A-349, 8 mg. Inside 10 white round pills inscription A-349. I orange pill

with inscription #8 (?)

- Aleve bottle with 20 1/2 white pills Watson 853

-Recovery Without Walls pamphlet recovered from Purple Rain Room

-Item 1, 2, & 3 from Hennepin Co. Swab of neck left and right hand and neck. (?)

.

The police requested a search warrant to

-Process the crime scene

-Collect documents

-Collect all illicit narcotics

-Collect medications

-Collect paraphernalia

-Collect notes, and other documentation that could explain source of medication.

.

On 4-21-16 Sheriff's department was dispatched to a medical where a person

was not breathing. Deputy arrived on scene and located P and he was unresponsive

and was pronounced.

-Police were made aware by witnesses that P recently had a history of going through

withdrawal, which are believed to be a result of abuse of prescription medication.

-P's assistants arranged a meeting between P and medical professional to assess and

address P's medical concerns.

-The police asked the Judge for a search warrnat to process the scene surrounding

this unwitnessed death, and

- to collect all documentation that may include or describe information regarding Ps medical

condition, treatments, medical history, and prescriptions.

.

Sounds harsh.

Forgive me.

Lets discuss.

[Edited 4/20/17 7:21am]

I think this is an excellent idea - it's how PennyPurple organised the Mayte's Book Club thread - chapter (or search warrant) by chapter / search warrant.

If we discuss each one individually and then move on to the next one (in chronological order) it might help make sense of things a bit more..?

That could be the case.

FROM Dish

Dibblekins said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Search Warrant #1 requested on 4-21-16

Items taken into custody:

-15 Watson capsules number 852 found in 2nd floor dressing room.

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky said name Vitamin D2 containing 7 green capsules with #194

-8 orange oval pills located Mirror Room inside suitcase on 2nd floor.

-Bayer Bottle with 64 1/4 white pills with Watson 853

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky containing Ondasetron HCL 8 mg. Inside 10 white

pills inscription A-349, 8 mg. Inside 10 white round pills inscription A-349. I orange pill

with inscription #8 (?)

- Aleve bottle with 20 1/2 white pills Watson 853

-Recovery Without Walls pamphlet recovered from Purple Rain Room

-Item 1, 2, & 3 from Hennepin Co. Swab of neck left and right hand and neck. (?)

.

The police requested a search warrant to

-Process the crime scene

-Collect documents

-Collect all illicit narcotics

-Collect medications

-Collect paraphernalia

-Collect notes, and other documentation that could explain source of medication.

.

On 4-21-16 Sheriff's department was dispatched to a medical where a person

was not breathing. Deputy arrived on scene and located P and he was unresponsive

and was pronounced.

-Police were made aware by witnesses that P recently had a history of going through

withdrawal, which are believed to be a result of abuse of prescription medication.

-P's assistants arranged a meeting between P and medical professional to assess and

address P's medical concerns.

-The police asked the Judge for a search warrnat to process the scene surrounding

this unwitnessed death, and

- to collect all documentation that may include or describe information regarding Ps medical

condition, treatments, medical history, and prescriptions.

.

Sounds harsh.

Forgive me.

Lets discuss.

[Edited 4/20/17 7:21am]

I think this is an excellent idea - it's how PennyPurple organised the Mayte's Book Club thread - chapter (or search warrant) by chapter / search warrant.

If we discuss each one individually and then move on to the next one (in chronological order) it might help make sense of things a bit more..?

disch said:

Not all the answers are new (I didn't catch that's what you meant)-- but, in my view, I have accepted these answers:

- His death was an accident. It was a fentanyl OD. He administered the fentanyl himself (ME's report). The fentanyl was contained in illicit opioids. Fentanyl contamination of illicit counterfeit opioids is a widespread, nationwide problem (DEA report from July 2016). It is not strange or unique to Prince. He likely had no idea he was consuming fentanyl.

- He ODed on opioids on the plane. He refused the suggestion of the medical staff for additional drug treatment. (was in the warrant). I've accepted he took these plane opioids knowingly, although he may not have known exactly what was in the pills (they might have been counterfeit).

- He was not undergoing treatment for any another serious chronic or terminal illness. I accept this because of the warrant that listed no medications at his home that would align with a doctor's treatment for something (all the drugs listed were illicit opioids and/or opioids and other medications prescribed to Kirk). Additionally the warrant included a claim from Kirk that Prince had no regular doctor than Dr. S (and Prince saw Dr. S only a few times). Also the ME's report had no other contributing or significant conditions listed.

- he was addicted to opioids and was struggling against this. I accept this answer because everything that has been reported -- his previous OD, his death by OD, the presence of illicit opioids along with opioids prescribed to someone else -- aligns with an addiction issue.

- At least one person near him recognized the gravity of the situation and contacted Dr. K. Dr. K and his son had nothing to do with Prince's death. I accept the timeline (from the warrant and from Dr. K's lawyer's interview last May) that said they were not contacted directly until hours before Prince's fatal OD and that Andrew didn't arrive at PP until the morning of April 21 (as in the warrant).

-

[Edited 4/20/17 10:22am]

How does your conclusion here, Disch, tally with the $65K spent on medical bills by / on Prince during his last year of life?

He spent that money on something medical - but perhaps it wasn't something for which one would have a prescription or medicine which could be taken at home - therefore not requiring a 'regular doctor / primary care practitioner'. My suggestion is that it was for hospital or clinic-based treatment with a specialist, as opposed to a 'regular doctor'.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:34am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Search Warrant #1 requested on 4-21-16

Items taken into custody:

-15 Watson capsules number 852 found in 2nd floor dressing room.

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky said name Vitamin D2 containing 7 green capsules with #194

-8 orange oval pills located Mirror Room inside suitcase on 2nd floor.

-Bayer Bottle with 64 1/4 white pills with Watson 853

-CVS Bottle under the name of Kirky containing Ondasetron HCL 8 mg. Inside 10 white

pills inscription A-349, 8 mg. Inside 10 white round pills inscription A-349. I orange pill

with inscription #8 (?)

- Aleve bottle with 20 1/2 white pills Watson 853

-Recovery Without Walls pamphlet recovered from Purple Rain Room

-Item 1, 2, & 3 from Hennepin Co. Swab of neck left and right hand and neck. (?)

.

The police requested a search warrant to

-Process the crime scene

-Collect documents

-Collect all illicit narcotics

-Collect medications

-Collect paraphernalia

-Collect notes, and other documentation that could explain source of medication.

.

On 4-21-16 Sheriff's department was dispatched to a medical where a person

was not breathing. Deputy arrived on scene and located P and he was unresponsive

and was pronounced.

-Police were made aware by witnesses that P recently had a history of going through

withdrawal, which are believed to be a result of abuse of prescription medication.

-P's assistants arranged a meeting between P and medical professional to assess and

address P's medical concerns.

-The police asked the Judge for a search warrnat to process the scene surrounding

this unwitnessed death, and

- to collect all documentation that may include or describe information regarding Ps medical

condition, treatments, medical history, and prescriptions.

.

Sounds harsh.

Forgive me.

Lets discuss.

[Edited 4/20/17 7:21am]

The bolded REALLy distrurbs me...I've asked (on the closed thread) before what this could be in reference to, as I've never known medics to "swab" for drugs unless it was cocaine or heroin...I'm NOT implying that...just confused. If the fentanyl was in "pill form", why swab the hands and neck..something doesn't sit right with me in regards to this.

Dibblekins said:

disch said:

Not all the answers are new (I didn't catch that's what you meant)-- but, in my view, I have accepted these answers:

- His death was an accident. It was a fentanyl OD. He administered the fentanyl himself (ME's report). The fentanyl was contained in illicit opioids. Fentanyl contamination of illicit counterfeit opioids is a widespread, nationwide problem (DEA report from July 2016). It is not strange or unique to Prince. He likely had no idea he was consuming fentanyl.

- He ODed on opioids on the plane. He refused the suggestion of the medical staff for additional drug treatment. (was in the warrant). I've accepted he took these plane opioids knowingly, although he may not have known exactly what was in the pills (they might have been counterfeit).

- He was not undergoing treatment for any another serious chronic or terminal illness. I accept this because of the warrant that listed no medications at his home that would align with a doctor's treatment for something (all the drugs listed were illicit opioids and/or opioids and other medications prescribed to Kirk). Additionally the warrant included a claim from Kirk that Prince had no regular doctor than Dr. S (and Prince saw Dr. S only a few times). Also the ME's report had no other contributing or significant conditions listed.

- he was addicted to opioids and was struggling against this. I accept this answer because everything that has been reported -- his previous OD, his death by OD, the presence of illicit opioids along with opioids prescribed to someone else -- aligns with an addiction issue.

- At least one person near him recognized the gravity of the situation and contacted Dr. K. Dr. K and his son had nothing to do with Prince's death. I accept the timeline (from the warrant and from Dr. K's lawyer's interview last May) that said they were not contacted directly until hours before Prince's fatal OD and that Andrew didn't arrive at PP until the morning of April 21 (as in the warrant).

-

[Edited 4/20/17 10:22am]

How does your conclusion here, Disch, tally with the $65K spent on medical bills by / on Prince during his last year of life?

He spent that money on something medical - but perhaps it wasn't something for which one would have a prescription or medicine which could be taken at home - therefore not requiring a 'regular doctor / primary care practitioner'. My suggestion is that it was for hospital or clinic-based treatment with a specialist, as opposed to a 'regular doctor'.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:34am]

Re the $65K on 'medical bills' - for me, there are three possibilities:

1) He had an illness which could only be treated in a hospital. It didn't require a regular GP / doctor; it was in-patient treatment with a specialist, with no prescriptions required.

2) It was hospital / clinic-based treatment for addiction / withdrawal. This would tie in with comments regarding his having a 'recent history of withdrawal'. It would also tie in with pills cut into quarters / halves (he was attempting to reduce his dosage himself).

3) The medical bills were accrued by someone else.

I agree with those theories about the bill; he may have had some sort of hospital-based care (the warrant repeated that he had had some treatment in a hospital on April 20; maybe he had other treatments like that in the past?) -- my main thing is, i don't believe the info we have aligns with him receiving ongoing care for any serious illness (other than addiction/withdrawal) around the time of his death.

Dibblekins said:

Dibblekins said:

How does your conclusion here, Disch, tally with the $65K spent on medical bills by / on Prince during his last year of life?

He spent that money on something medical - but perhaps it wasn't something for which one would have a prescription or medicine which could be taken at home - therefore not requiring a 'regular doctor / primary care practitioner'. My suggestion is that it was for hospital or clinic-based treatment with a specialist, as opposed to a 'regular doctor'.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:34am]

Re the $65K on 'medical bills' - for me, there are three possibilities:

1) He had an illness which could only be treated in a hospital. It didn't require a regular GP / doctor; it was in-patient treatment with a specialist, with no prescriptions required.

2) It was hospital / clinic-based treatment for addiction / withdrawal. This would tie in with comments regarding his having a 'recent history of withdrawal'. It would also tie in with pills cut into quarters / halves (he was attempting to reduce his dosage himself).

3) The medical bills were accrued by someone else.

[Edited 4/20/17 10:52am]

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Dibblekins said:

disch said:

I agree with those theories about the bill; he may have had some sort of hospital-based care (the warrant repeated that he had had some treatment in a hospital on April 20; maybe he had other treatments like that in the past?) -- my main thing is, i don't believe the info we have aligns with him receiving ongoing care for any serious illness (other than addiction/withdrawal) around the

[Edited 4/20/17 10:52am]

It very well could be that P declined further ongoing medical treatment for an illness.

Hey, Precioux, PurpleDiamonds1, PennyPurple, Zenarose, Dibble, Oliviamom: I saw the other thread got locked, but just wanted to say "thank you" for the warm welcome back! Sorry I've been away so long. Sending y'all some purple love!

it's possible he refused care (that's why I specified that the evidence shows that he wasn't getting ongoing care, not that he was never diagnosed). But in all honesty, that seems unlikely. Clearly the idea of taking medication/drugs wasn't an obstacle for him, and even people who have terminal conditions and refuse life-extending treatment normally accept medical palliative care to ease pain and suffering.

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It's hard for me to wrap my head around him being diagnosed with a severe or terminal condition, refusing any legit medical care, yet buying and taking illegal opioids? (And as a side note, this condition not even mentioned anywhere by the ME as a signficant condition on her death report?)

-

For me, I feel like I have enough info to exclude that possibility; I know have different thresholds for excluding possibilities.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

I agree with those theories about the bill; he may have had some sort of hospital-based care (the warrant repeated that he had had some treatment in a hospital on April 20; maybe he had other treatments like that in the past?) -- my main thing is, i don't believe the info we have aligns with him receiving ongoing care for any serious illness (other than addiction/withdrawal) around the

[Edited 4/20/17 10:52am]

It very well could be that P declined further ongoing medical treatment for an illness.

cloveringold85 said:

Hey, Precioux, PurpleDiamonds1, PennyPurple, Zenarose, Dibble, Oliviamom: I saw the other thread got locked, but just wanted to say "thank you" for the warm welcome back! Sorry I've been away so long. Sending y'all some purple love!

Right back atcha, sweetie!!