Laura, we don't have evidence that people were "allowed to come and go as they pleased" (you mean the general public was just wandering in and out, anywhere in the building)?

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But also, the police had essentially concluded their building search on April 21. The only time they returned was to retrieve the laptop. So if they're done searching, why should the building remain on lockdown?

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Search Warrant #3.

To recap:

PP was declared a crime scene on 4-21-16.

The Detectives confiscated Andrew's backpack an inventoried.

All drugs found at PP were confiscated and inventoried.

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Search Warrant #3 requested Ridgeview Medical Records on 4-27-16 (in Chaka, MN).

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The Detective that requested the records states under oath:

1. On 4-21-16 at 9043 Deptuties and Paramedics were dispathched to PP for a reported unconscious and not breathing male. Rescue units repsonded and CPR was started.
2. Rescue units responded and CPR was started. CPR was started and the male was determined to be deceased at 1007.
3. The individuals at the death scene were taken back to the Carver County District Office in the city of Chanhassen to be interviwed.
4. Dr. Schulenberg was interviewed on 4-21-16 at 1057. It was learned Prince was seen by Dr. S on 4-7-16 and 4-20-16.
5. Tests were performed by Dr. S on Prince and Dr. S was dropping off the test results to Prince at PP when he appeared at the death scene. Dr. S said he did prescribe Prince medications and the scripts were to be filled at Walgreens.
6. It was also learned on 4-21-16 (wrong date) Prince was a passenger on a plane that had to make an emergency landing because of health concerns. The flight landed in Moline, IL and Prince was taken away by ambulance to the hospital.
7. Another detective stated she had interviewed Kirk who said Prince had gone to Ridgeview Hospital for an illness in 2014 or 2015. Kirk said Prince received fluids during this visit.

.The Search Warrant was signed by the Judge on the same date.

Right after that people were allowed to come and go as they pleased.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

He could have went back because the withdrawals were killing him. Also apparently I lot of the pills were cut in half so I think he was trying to get off these meds but I cannot figure out why he was touring while doing this. He could have taken sometime off and tried this outpatient approch or gone out of the country to a rehab. ( rumor he had the hip surgery out of the country) I really feel he worked himself death and I still am wondering were the money from the P&M shows went and where the 3 million from Tidal went? Did Prince really give someone POA?

I am begining to question his state of mind and if people around him were not taking advantage and I would not be so quick to look at his family members like a lot of people are doing. I think Prince had a helper mentality but you cannot help everyone.

I really think if the Tidal case goes to trial we are going to find out a little bit more about what was going on behind the sceans and it is not going to be rosy.

[Edited 4/24/17 4:20am]

Interesting point, Laura. While everyone (not inappropriatly) is focusing on the last hours, if we pull back and look at a broader picture we may note a chaos and disorder in his business dealings, daily routines, performances, personal interactions, musical hints ('Kirky...use me, 'til you use me up') that point to a growing disintegration of Prince's chosen lifestyle of image control. He was losing control. He was out of control. The pills (whether whole, half, legit or poison) were controllig him and until the last breath he appeared to fight ceding the last shreds of control to any entity that might have helped him. Except he made a fatal miscalculation...he wasn't in control anymore.

In the link I gave in post 532 did anyone catch the fact that Prince had the script from Dr. S filled 4 times the week before his death?

PennyPurple said:

DD55 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Interesting point, Laura. While everyone (not inappropriatly) is focusing on the last hours, if we pull back and look at a broader picture we may note a chaos and disorder in his business dealings, daily routines, performances, personal interactions, musical hints ('Kirky...use me, 'til you use me up') that point to a growing disintegration of Prince's chosen lifestyle of image control. He was losing control. He was out of control. The pills (whether whole, half, legit or poison) were controllig him and until the last breath he appeared to fight ceding the last shreds of control to any entity that might have helped him. Except he made a fatal miscalculation...he wasn't in control anymore.

I agree, things were probably getting out of control. On other threads, a lot was made of his mention of Vanity/Denise at his P&M shows. Eternal love, soul mates yada yada yada, I think what really hit hm was he saw how drugs destroyed her life and ultimately caused her death, and now it was hitting him that he was indeed in a similar situation and it frightened him, which why she ( and drug situation) was on his mind. IMHO

Excellent observation. Prince knew how the trajectory of how Vanity's story ended...and it wasn't in a pulpit extolling Jesus...it was in a hospital bed with her organs failing because of what she did to her body. I think you nailed it.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PeteSilas said:

i've said jokingly that we should pool our money and hire a pi, but honestly, i'd be down for the cause.

+1

He was barely out and about the week after his plane OD -- the total number of hours he was seen in public at all was probably 3, out of 150 total hours. And his only public sighting on the 20th was the paparazzi shot of him pacing around the Walgreens parking lot, presumably waiting for his scripts to get filled.

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We certainly can't make any judgment about his overall health status that week based on the incredibly limited sightings.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said:

You never know what you are gonna get when you buy street drugs.

Or have a drs son fly in with some. Benni, I agree with you and the bolded above, it was that one pill that was made to look hydrocodone that killed him. I doubt he needed to be made stable, he was fine until he took that pill... he was seen out and about on the 20th and days prior not having WD issues. Luckily he kept busy and was seen to back this up.

Certain audience members from the Saturday PP event said he looked very frail; there were others who said he looked fine. My feeling was that if he was fine, he would have played that custom-made purple guitar. I don't think he was.

I agree with Disch - with the exception of the Tuesday night show and I think a visit to Electric Fetus, he wasn't seen. I might be wrong here, but that is what I recall reading. He was not in good shape and some people who were trying to reach him could not connect with him. Did he not want to speak with them, or were his employees keeping him away from others because of his state?

Here is my 2 cents on all this;

The arrival at PP 0900 and the 43 minutes to call 911. The time could be a rough and rounded time. But to be simple, say 0900 is the exact time, for all we know, they could have met in the parking lot (we do not know if Kirk, Meron and Andrew travelled in the same car). Kirk and Meron could have expalined the scenario to Andew eating away at the 43 minutes. They look for Prince. Andrew stays on the lower floor, wondering around. Kirk and Meron, more knowledge of PP and Prince, look in the obvious places. Prince is found, the call is made. For me, not a big deal.

The "holistic appointment". I think this was PR and damage control. My opinion, Andrew was the hollistic appointment. Someone from P's camp called Kornfield on the 20th. The grave story is a 2 fold story, 1 to get Kornfield on board to help Prince and the second, again damage/image control.

Dr. S may have not known about Prince's stash and therefore did not think Prince was in grave condition. Perhaps after the test results, Dr S. knew the extent of Prince's opiod problem.

Andrew could have lied to the police about him obtaining the pills to protect Recovery Without Walls. Not really important. The police could easily check out Andrew and clear him. The have flight records, hotel records (and more than likely video). That establishes the timelines for the case.

The pamphlet. Perhaps Kirk printed it out and left it or Andrew was looking around and left it when he heard the scream. I often wondered, if Kirk had left it, did Prince find it the night before? We will never know, but that could have alarmed Prince on the situation and plans. I am inclined to believe that Prince was not aware of the "intervention". Which makes me conflicted. I read remarks about Prince being stubborn and having yes people around. Why of all days in the last year of Prince's life, did his inner circle try an invervention?

I think Dr S was part of the intervention. I am inclined to believe that he was there, not only with test results, but to explain or even administer the drugs to show Prince recovery was possible. Pure speculation on my end.

I do believe the investigators suspected OD from the beginnng. I do not think they expected it to be fentanyl. Once the ME notified them on 05-09-16, then they pursued that aspect via the DEA.

The hiding of pills in other bottles indicate to me Prince hid this basically in plain site. People thought he was taking vitamins or OTC remedies, when in fact it was not.

As for Kirk using Prince, perhaps Kirk was keeping the secret to his advantage? If that was the case, then Kirk would unlock his vault. I do not think Kirk was using Prince, at least not anymore than the rest of people in Prince's circle.

I do believe that over time, Prince purchased street pills.Those pills were mixed up and as we now know were laced. Prince never had an inclination to that.

Whether Prince was addict to opiods, a long time abuser, and the reason why he was hooked or taking pain meds doesn't justify or excuse Prince's actions. It is tragic and heartbreaking. It does not lessen him as a person or artist.

In the end, and many may get upset with me or angry, Prince is ultimately at fault. He is responsible. My heart goes out to him and I have compassion. I just feel like many absolve him of his actions. He could have gotten help and recovery. Perhaps his pride was the reason why not, who knows.

He went to a jazz concert at the Dakota with a bunch of people with owner speaking to him after, he was riding his bike and there is footage of him, he threw a party, went to the doctor and the pharmacy and apparently was dropped off at PP at 8:00pm meaning he was somewhere other than Paisley Park. I am pretty sure he was seen by more than a few people the last week of his life.

disch said:

He was barely out and about the week after his plane OD -- the total number of hours he was seen in public at all was probably 3, out of 150 total hours. And his only public sighting on the 20th was the paparazzi shot of him pacing around the Walgreens parking lot, presumably waiting for his scripts to get filled.

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We certainly can't make any judgment about his overall health status that week based on the incredibly limited sightings.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said: Or have a drs son fly in with some. Benni, I agree with you and the bolded above, it was that one pill that was made to look hydrocodone that killed him. I doubt he needed to be made stable, he was fine until he took that pill... he was seen out and about on the 20th and days prior not having WD issues. Luckily he kept busy and was seen to back this up.

nelcp777 said:

Here is my 2 cents on all this;

The arrival at PP 0900 and the 43 minutes to call 911. The time could be a rough and rounded time. But to be simple, say 0900 is the exact time, for all we know, they could have met in the parking lot (we do not know if Kirk, Meron and Andrew travelled in the same car). Kirk and Meron could have expalined the scenario to Andew eating away at the 43 minutes. They look for Prince. Andrew stays on the lower floor, wondering around. Kirk and Meron, more knowledge of PP and Prince, look in the obvious places. Prince is found, the call is made. For me, not a big deal.

The "holistic appointment". I think this was PR and damage control. My opinion, Andrew was the hollistic appointment. Someone from P's camp called Kornfield on the 20th. The grave story is a 2 fold story, 1 to get Kornfield on board to help Prince and the second, again damage/image control.

Dr. S may have not known about Prince's stash and therefore did not think Prince was in grave condition. Perhaps after the test results, Dr S. knew the extent of Prince's opiod problem.

Andrew could have lied to the police about him obtaining the pills to protect Recovery Without Walls. Not really important. The police could easily check out Andrew and clear him. The have flight records, hotel records (and more than likely video). That establishes the timelines for the case.

The pamphlet. Perhaps Kirk printed it out and left it or Andrew was looking around and left it when he heard the scream. I often wondered, if Kirk had left it, did Prince find it the night before? We will never know, but that could have alarmed Prince on the situation and plans. I am inclined to believe that Prince was not aware of the "intervention". Which makes me conflicted. I read remarks about Prince being stubborn and having yes people around. Why of all days in the last year of Prince's life, did his inner circle try an invervention?

I think Dr S was part of the intervention. I am inclined to believe that he was there, not only with test results, but to explain or even administer the drugs to show Prince recovery was possible. Pure speculation on my end.

I do believe the investigators suspected OD from the beginnng. I do not think they expected it to be fentanyl. Once the ME notified them on 05-09-16, then they pursued that aspect via the DEA.

The hiding of pills in other bottles indicate to me Prince hid this basically in plain site. People thought he was taking vitamins or OTC remedies, when in fact it was not.

As for Kirk using Prince, perhaps Kirk was keeping the secret to his advantage? If that was the case, then Kirk would unlock his vault. I do not think Kirk was using Prince, at least not anymore than the rest of people in Prince's circle.

I do believe that over time, Prince purchased street pills.Those pills were mixed up and as we now know were laced. Prince never had an inclination to that.

Whether Prince was addict to opiods, a long time abuser, and the reason why he was hooked or taking pain meds doesn't justify or excuse Prince's actions. It is tragic and heartbreaking. It does not lessen him as a person or artist.

In the end, and many may get upset with me or angry, Prince is ultimately at fault. He is responsible. My heart goes out to him and I have compassion. I just feel like many absolve him of his actions. He could have gotten help and recovery. Perhaps his pride was the reason why not, who knows.

" I do not think Kirk was using Prince, at least not anymore than the rest of people in Prince's circle."

Then why was he caught telling tall tales to the police. Very serious tall tales and I am not going to go into his attitude on CBS this morning. He made himself suspect. Remember there was a time when people on this board were championing Londell McMillian and look how that turned out.

So it sounds now like you're arguing that he was in fine health the final week of his life? That's certainly a new point of view!

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Well, we'll just agree to disagree that the evidence we know points to that. I don't think that the minimal outings (such as "throwing a party" that he appeared at for 15 minutes, pacing around a drug-store parking lot, or shopping for a few minutes in a record store) prove that he was not suffering from health issues that week; everything else we've heard about that week says that his health problems were a real concern to those around him.

laurarichardson said:

He went to a jazz concert at the Dakota with a bunch of people with owner speaking to him after, he was riding his bike and there is footage of him, he threw a party, went to the doctor and the pharmacy and apparently was dropped off at PP at 8:00pm meaning he was somewhere other than Paisley Park. I am pretty sure he was seen by more than a few people the last week of his life.

disch said:

He was barely out and about the week after his plane OD -- the total number of hours he was seen in public at all was probably 3, out of 150 total hours. And his only public sighting on the 20th was the paparazzi shot of him pacing around the Walgreens parking lot, presumably waiting for his scripts to get filled.

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We certainly can't make any judgment about his overall health status that week based on the incredibly limited sightings.

Family and friends were in the building. When the DEA came back to pick up the computer it had been moved from Prince's bedroom to an office location. We have no way of knowing if that computer was tampered with and why anyone was in Prince' s living quarters after the police left.

In addtion, we have no idea what happened in the 45 minutes it took to call 911. The building should have been on a lockdown just based on the valuables in the building. I have watched people tear up steal stuff after a person had died. The computer should have been taken to out by the police on the 21st and no one should have gone into his personal living quarters.

We already know a church was stolen after he died and contracts he signed are being ignored or cannot be located who knows what else has happened because of the building was not secured. The police belived they had a simple o.d. which may have been based on what they were told by Kirk only to find out something else later.

disch said:

Laura, we don't have evidence that people were "allowed to come and go as they pleased" (you mean the general public was just wandering in and out, anywhere in the building)?

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But also, the police had essentially concluded their building search on April 21. The only time they returned was to retrieve the laptop. So if they're done searching, why should the building remain on lockdown?

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: Right after that people were allowed to come and go as they pleased.

nelcp777 said:

disch said:

He was barely out and about the week after his plane OD -- the total number of hours he was seen in public at all was probably 3, out of 150 total hours. And his only public sighting on the 20th was the paparazzi shot of him pacing around the Walgreens parking lot, presumably waiting for his scripts to get filled.

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We certainly can't make any judgment about his overall health status that week based on the incredibly limited sightings.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said: Or have a drs son fly in with some. Benni, I agree with you and the bolded above, it was that one pill that was made to look hydrocodone that killed him. I doubt he needed to be made stable, he was fine until he took that pill... he was seen out and about on the 20th and days prior not having WD issues. Luckily he kept busy and was seen to back this up.

Absolutely agree. The same way we cannot make assumptions regarding Prince's addiction to pain medication based on the concerts and interviews he did. That was a part of his life, not his life 24/7.

No you are saying that. The only statement we have about Prince's health after Moline is the lawyer speaking for Dr. K who never examined Prince or saw him. Not one other person willing to have there name used has mentioned that he was gravely ill. Every report about his health came from the tabs with not one person who encourted him agreeing that he was gravely ill. It is not even mentioned in the search warrant only that he had recently been experiencing withdrawals and was prescribed meds that are usually given to people who are withdrawing. We have no other idea if his stituation was grave but apparently Dr. S felt prescribing him a rack of anti-anxiety meds was suitable enough for the night. I am sticking to the facts. You realize that if people around were not telling lies and being crytic we would not even be having this conversation. Kirk could have explained to the police actually what happened on the 20th instead of telling tales and going on vacation.

disch said:

So it sounds now like you're arguing that he was in fine health the final week of his life? That's certainly a new point of view!

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Well, we'll just agree to disagree that the evidence we know points to that. I don't think that the minimal outings (such as "throwing a party" that he appeared at for 15 minutes, pacing around a drug-store parking lot, or shopping for a few minutes in a record store) prove that he was not suffering from health issues that week; everything else we've heard about that week says that his health problems were a real concern to those around him.

laurarichardson said:

He went to a jazz concert at the Dakota with a bunch of people with owner speaking to him after, he was riding his bike and there is footage of him, he threw a party, went to the doctor and the pharmacy and apparently was dropped off at PP at 8:00pm meaning he was somewhere other than Paisley Park. I am pretty sure he was seen by more than a few people the last week of his life.

[Edited 4/24/17 9:45am]

zenarose said:

nelcp777 said:

Here is my 2 cents on all this;

The arrival at PP 0900 and the 43 minutes to call 911. The time could be a rough and rounded time. But to be simple, say 0900 is the exact time, for all we know, they could have met in the parking lot (we do not know if Kirk, Meron and Andrew travelled in the same car). Kirk and Meron could have expalined the scenario to Andew eating away at the 43 minutes. They look for Prince. Andrew stays on the lower floor, wondering around. Kirk and Meron, more knowledge of PP and Prince, look in the obvious places. Prince is found, the call is made. For me, not a big deal.

The "holistic appointment". I think this was PR and damage control. My opinion, Andrew was the hollistic appointment. Someone from P's camp called Kornfield on the 20th. The grave story is a 2 fold story, 1 to get Kornfield on board to help Prince and the second, again damage/image control.

Dr. S may have not known about Prince's stash and therefore did not think Prince was in grave condition. Perhaps after the test results, Dr S. knew the extent of Prince's opiod problem.

Andrew could have lied to the police about him obtaining the pills to protect Recovery Without Walls. Not really important. The police could easily check out Andrew and clear him. The have flight records, hotel records (and more than likely video). That establishes the timelines for the case.

The pamphlet. Perhaps Kirk printed it out and left it or Andrew was looking around and left it when he heard the scream. I often wondered, if Kirk had left it, did Prince find it the night before? We will never know, but that could have alarmed Prince on the situation and plans. I am inclined to believe that Prince was not aware of the "intervention". Which makes me conflicted. I read remarks about Prince being stubborn and having yes people around. Why of all days in the last year of Prince's life, did his inner circle try an invervention?

I think Dr S was part of the intervention. I am inclined to believe that he was there, not only with test results, but to explain or even administer the drugs to show Prince recovery was possible. Pure speculation on my end.

I do believe the investigators suspected OD from the beginnng. I do not think they expected it to be fentanyl. Once the ME notified them on 05-09-16, then they pursued that aspect via the DEA.

The hiding of pills in other bottles indicate to me Prince hid this basically in plain site. People thought he was taking vitamins or OTC remedies, when in fact it was not.

As for Kirk using Prince, perhaps Kirk was keeping the secret to his advantage? If that was the case, then Kirk would unlock his vault. I do not think Kirk was using Prince, at least not anymore than the rest of people in Prince's circle.

I do believe that over time, Prince purchased street pills.Those pills were mixed up and as we now know were laced. Prince never had an inclination to that.

Whether Prince was addict to opiods, a long time abuser, and the reason why he was hooked or taking pain meds doesn't justify or excuse Prince's actions. It is tragic and heartbreaking. It does not lessen him as a person or artist.

In the end, and many may get upset with me or angry, Prince is ultimately at fault. He is responsible. My heart goes out to him and I have compassion. I just feel like many absolve him of his actions. He could have gotten help and recovery. Perhaps his pride was the reason why not, who knows.

Dr S could not have legally administered the suboxone to P. There is a special license that a Dr must have in order to prescribe and or administer it.

So who was going to do the administering. Andrew?

1Sasha said:

Certain audience members from the Saturday PP event said he looked very frail; there were others who said he looked fine. My feeling was that if he was fine, he would have played that custom-made purple guitar. I don't think he was.

I agree with Disch - with the exception of the Tuesday night show and I think a visit to Electric Fetus, he wasn't seen. I might be wrong here, but that is what I recall reading. He was not in good shape and some people who were trying to reach him could not connect with him. Did he not want to speak with them, or were his employees keeping him away from others because of his state?

Him making sure people saw him, that's what that was. Hence the "don't believe the papers", worrying that soon the media would start their usual speculations after the Moline incident. Just a few sightings, the concert he went to, the riding the bike, the party at PP, etc. He wanted to show the world that all was good, when in fact it was in a turmoil. Like Sasha said, he did not even play that new guitar, which probably he would have done on normal circumstances.

MMJas said:

1Sasha said:

Certain audience members from the Saturday PP event said he looked very frail; there were others who said he looked fine. My feeling was that if he was fine, he would have played that custom-made purple guitar. I don't think he was.

I agree with Disch - with the exception of the Tuesday night show and I think a visit to Electric Fetus, he wasn't seen. I might be wrong here, but that is what I recall reading. He was not in good shape and some people who were trying to reach him could not connect with him. Did he not want to speak with them, or were his employees keeping him away from others because of his state?

Him making sure people saw him, that's what that was. Hence the "don't believe the papers", worrying that soon the media would start their usual speculations after the Moline incident. Just a few sightings, the concert he went to, the riding the bike, the party at PP, etc. He wanted to show the world that all was good, when in fact it was in a turmoil. Like Sasha said, he did not even play that new guitar, which probably he would have done on normal circumstances.

Because he said he had been practicing the piano

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Him making sure people saw him, that's what that was. Hence the "don't believe the papers", worrying that soon the media would start their usual speculations after the Moline incident. Just a few sightings, the concert he went to, the riding the bike, the party at PP, etc. He wanted to show the world that all was good, when in fact it was in a turmoil. Like Sasha said, he did not even play that new guitar, which probably he would have done on normal circumstances.

Because he said he had been practicing the piano

I know what he said.

Laura, please don't manipulate or misstate what I've said.

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To be clear: I believe he had serious opioid-related health problems (withdrawal) the week prior to his death. I believe these problems were very concerning to those close to him. I believe he made a few minimal public appearances specifically to try to appear "fine" to the public, when he actually wasn't.

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What do you believe?

laurarichardson said:

No you are saying that. The only statement we have about Prince's health after Moline is the lawyer speaking for Dr. K who never examined Prince or saw him. Not one other person willing to have there name used has mentioned that he was gravely ill. Every report about his health came from the tabs with not one person who encourted him agreeing that he was gravely ill. It is not even mentioned in the search warrant only that he had recently been experiencing withdrawals and was prescribed meds that are usually given to people who are withdrawing. We have no other idea if his stituation was grave but apparently Dr. S felt prescribing him a rack of anti-anxiety meds was suitable enough for the night. I am sticking to the facts. You realize that if people around were not telling lies and being crytic we would not even be having this conversation. Kirk could have explained to the police actually what happened on the 20th instead of telling tales and going on vacation.

disch said:

So it sounds now like you're arguing that he was in fine health the final week of his life? That's certainly a new point of view!

-

Well, we'll just agree to disagree that the evidence we know points to that. I don't think that the minimal outings (such as "throwing a party" that he appeared at for 15 minutes, pacing around a drug-store parking lot, or shopping for a few minutes in a record store) prove that he was not suffering from health issues that week; everything else we've heard about that week says that his health problems were a real concern to those around him.

[Edited 4/24/17 9:45am]

laurarichardson said:

nelcp777 said:

Here is my 2 cents on all this;

The arrival at PP 0900 and the 43 minutes to call 911. The time could be a rough and rounded time. But to be simple, say 0900 is the exact time, for all we know, they could have met in the parking lot (we do not know if Kirk, Meron and Andrew travelled in the same car). Kirk and Meron could have expalined the scenario to Andew eating away at the 43 minutes. They look for Prince. Andrew stays on the lower floor, wondering around. Kirk and Meron, more knowledge of PP and Prince, look in the obvious places. Prince is found, the call is made. For me, not a big deal.

The "holistic appointment". I think this was PR and damage control. My opinion, Andrew was the hollistic appointment. Someone from P's camp called Kornfield on the 20th. The grave story is a 2 fold story, 1 to get Kornfield on board to help Prince and the second, again damage/image control.

Dr. S may have not known about Prince's stash and therefore did not think Prince was in grave condition. Perhaps after the test results, Dr S. knew the extent of Prince's opiod problem.

Andrew could have lied to the police about him obtaining the pills to protect Recovery Without Walls. Not really important. The police could easily check out Andrew and clear him. The have flight records, hotel records (and more than likely video). That establishes the timelines for the case.

The pamphlet. Perhaps Kirk printed it out and left it or Andrew was looking around and left it when he heard the scream. I often wondered, if Kirk had left it, did Prince find it the night before? We will never know, but that could have alarmed Prince on the situation and plans. I am inclined to believe that Prince was not aware of the "intervention". Which makes me conflicted. I read remarks about Prince being stubborn and having yes people around. Why of all days in the last year of Prince's life, did his inner circle try an invervention?

I think Dr S was part of the intervention. I am inclined to believe that he was there, not only with test results, but to explain or even administer the drugs to show Prince recovery was possible. Pure speculation on my end.

I do believe the investigators suspected OD from the beginnng. I do not think they expected it to be fentanyl. Once the ME notified them on 05-09-16, then they pursued that aspect via the DEA.

The hiding of pills in other bottles indicate to me Prince hid this basically in plain site. People thought he was taking vitamins or OTC remedies, when in fact it was not.

As for Kirk using Prince, perhaps Kirk was keeping the secret to his advantage? If that was the case, then Kirk would unlock his vault. I do not think Kirk was using Prince, at least not anymore than the rest of people in Prince's circle.

I do believe that over time, Prince purchased street pills.Those pills were mixed up and as we now know were laced. Prince never had an inclination to that.

Whether Prince was addict to opiods, a long time abuser, and the reason why he was hooked or taking pain meds doesn't justify or excuse Prince's actions. It is tragic and heartbreaking. It does not lessen him as a person or artist.

In the end, and many may get upset with me or angry, Prince is ultimately at fault. He is responsible. My heart goes out to him and I have compassion. I just feel like many absolve him of his actions. He could have gotten help and recovery. Perhaps his pride was the reason why not, who knows.

" I do not think Kirk was using Prince, at least not anymore than the rest of people in Prince's circle."

Then why was he caught telling tall tales to the police. Very serious tall tales and I am not going to go into his attitude on CBS this morning. He made himself suspect. Remember there was a time when people on this board were championing Londell McMillian and look how that turned out.

I think Kirk was lying to protect Kirk and the possible involvement of procurring pills. At the very least, the implications of the facts that were in the search warrants.

zenarose said:

nelcp777 said:

Here is my 2 cents on all this;

The arrival at PP 0900 and the 43 minutes to call 911. The time could be a rough and rounded time. But to be simple, say 0900 is the exact time, for all we know, they could have met in the parking lot (we do not know if Kirk, Meron and Andrew travelled in the same car). Kirk and Meron could have expalined the scenario to Andew eating away at the 43 minutes. They look for Prince. Andrew stays on the lower floor, wondering around. Kirk and Meron, more knowledge of PP and Prince, look in the obvious places. Prince is found, the call is made. For me, not a big deal.

The "holistic appointment". I think this was PR and damage control. My opinion, Andrew was the hollistic appointment. Someone from P's camp called Kornfield on the 20th. The grave story is a 2 fold story, 1 to get Kornfield on board to help Prince and the second, again damage/image control.

Dr. S may have not known about Prince's stash and therefore did not think Prince was in grave condition. Perhaps after the test results, Dr S. knew the extent of Prince's opiod problem.

Andrew could have lied to the police about him obtaining the pills to protect Recovery Without Walls. Not really important. The police could easily check out Andrew and clear him. The have flight records, hotel records (and more than likely video). That establishes the timelines for the case.

The pamphlet. Perhaps Kirk printed it out and left it or Andrew was looking around and left it when he heard the scream. I often wondered, if Kirk had left it, did Prince find it the night before? We will never know, but that could have alarmed Prince on the situation and plans. I am inclined to believe that Prince was not aware of the "intervention". Which makes me conflicted. I read remarks about Prince being stubborn and having yes people around. Why of all days in the last year of Prince's life, did his inner circle try an invervention?

I think Dr S was part of the intervention. I am inclined to believe that he was there, not only with test results, but to explain or even administer the drugs to show Prince recovery was possible. Pure speculation on my end.

I do believe the investigators suspected OD from the beginnng. I do not think they expected it to be fentanyl. Once the ME notified them on 05-09-16, then they pursued that aspect via the DEA.

The hiding of pills in other bottles indicate to me Prince hid this basically in plain site. People thought he was taking vitamins or OTC remedies, when in fact it was not.

As for Kirk using Prince, perhaps Kirk was keeping the secret to his advantage? If that was the case, then Kirk would unlock his vault. I do not think Kirk was using Prince, at least not anymore than the rest of people in Prince's circle.

I do believe that over time, Prince purchased street pills.Those pills were mixed up and as we now know were laced. Prince never had an inclination to that.

Whether Prince was addict to opiods, a long time abuser, and the reason why he was hooked or taking pain meds doesn't justify or excuse Prince's actions. It is tragic and heartbreaking. It does not lessen him as a person or artist.

In the end, and many may get upset with me or angry, Prince is ultimately at fault. He is responsible. My heart goes out to him and I have compassion. I just feel like many absolve him of his actions. He could have gotten help and recovery. Perhaps his pride was the reason why not, who knows.

Dr S could not have legally administered the suboxone to P. There is a special license that a Dr must have in order to prescribe and or administer it.

I totally agree with your point. But beind closed doors? Again, speculation and nothing else on my end.

nelcp777 said:

zenarose said:

nelcp777 said:

I totally agree with your point. But beind closed doors? Again, speculation and nothing else on my end.

Agree. There were a lot of things going on behind closed doors. 😋

Thanks. It is a small possibility that Dr S may have been aware of the intervention. If he was contacted by Dr. K the night before (the 20th). Dr S could have brought the results to show Prince, dude, here is where you are and you need help to beat it. Andrew could have given his pitch, dude, we can treat you help you and we have this pills that will ease the withdrawal. Dr S could have administered them, even though he was not allowed to. But then again, Andrew was not allowed to have them on his person. Kinda ties together.

Dr S actually shows up, and the chaos he walked into. He will not admit to the cops the speculation, just I was here to deliver results. Why did he deliver results that day? The times before, Prince would visit him, not vice versa.

disch said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

disch said:

So it sounds now like you're arguing that he was in fine health the final week of his life? That's certainly a new point of view!

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Well, we'll just agree to disagree that the evidence we know points to that. I don't think that the minimal outings (such as "throwing a party" that he appeared at for 15 minutes, pacing around a drug-store parking lot, or shopping for a few minutes in a record store) prove that he was not suffering from health issues that week; everything else we've heard about that week says that his health problems were a real concern to those around him.

I agree with Laura...she pointed out what we have seen of Prince and have discussed for some time. He did more than I do in those days leading up to his death, and I am very healthy! Why discredit this? Is it because it shows he was not WD...

What did he do, exactly? Let's do a timeline. Perhaps that way some people will realize that he was in fact just trying to appear fine, imo.