Considering all your 15 years of posting 24/7 non-stop on this site, L⁰, it's remarkable that you're unable to comprehend that your way of communicating is not the only way to contribute to a discussion.

Your way to communicate, L⁰, is to bludgeon people over the head with your specious theories — relentlessly harping on the same nonsense. Until by the sheer brute force of your overbearing personality, you manage to bully your posse of submissive, brown-nosing, "minions" into mindlessly parroting your tired old "bowel cancer" projections.

My way to communicate on the other hand, is more subtle. More sophisticated. Devoid of the intense emotional investment of your brute-force, bullying campaign. I'm communicating from a plane that is higher than the irrational, base emotions of hard-core fantacists like you and your "minions" L⁰.

That's why it seems to you I don't contribute, L⁰ old gal. The things that I contribute simply whoosh over your head faster than you can grasp them.

But just because something is lost on you, that doesn't mean everybody else can't see it. Even you can at least understand that. If you can't, then that's not my problem. Is it?

ufoclub said:

After reading the comments on Facebook, if I were Kirk, I wouldnt be anywhere

near the Celebration.

ufoclub said:

phatphuk said:

Considering all your 15 years of posting 24/7 non-stop on this site, L⁰, it's remarkable that you're unable to comprehend that your way of communicating is not the only way to contribute to a discussion.

Your way to communicate, L⁰, is to bludgeon people over the head with your specious theories — relentlessly harping on the same nonsense. Until by the sheer brute force of your overbearing personality, you manage to bully your posse of submissive, brown-nosing, "minions" into mindlessly parroting your tired old "bowel cancer" projections.

My way to communicate on the other hand, is more subtle. More sophisticated. Devoid of the intense emotional investment of your brute-force, bullying campaign. I'm communicating from a plane that is higher than the irrational, base emotions of hard-core fantacists like you and your "minions" L⁰.

That's why it seems to you I don't contribute, L⁰ old gal. The things that I contribute simply whoosh over your head faster than you can grasp them.

But just because something is lost on you, that doesn't mean everybody else can't see it. Even you can at least understand that. If you can't, then that's not my problem. Is it?

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said: It's much more complex than that Laura. You need to stop commenting on a subject you do not understand, and cannot understand. Opioid dependence is a complicated issue for everyone involved - the patient, the health care providers, friends, and family, law enforcement. You do not have the faintest idea what their struggles are and unless you can be rational and open minded you need to excuse yourself and take a seat.

You need to shut the hell up. I know plenty people even in my own family that have been on drugs as well as alcohol issues. I also know when federal laws are being broken.

The minute Kirk picked up that Rx which he knew was not for him he broke the law and he was not helping Prince. I never enabled anyone that I knew I had a problem because it is wrong and I would not be able to live with myself if they died if I helped them get the stuff.

I am talking about the crack years so I know what the fuck I am talking about.

It is not okay for him to get off scott free and he should help the investigation even if he has to cut a deal not lie and hinder.

I see he has had time to pick up a paycheck from Paisley Park but not time to tell Prince and Dr. S that he was not going to be involved.

Two points I'd make here:

- The warrants make it pretty clear that KAJ is being investigated as a suspect. One of the warrants is for his cell records. The affiant makes it clear that investigators believe KAJ lied to them in his statements. As you say, statements in the warrants on their face would paint KAJ as criminally exposed. I would urge patience though, as we don't know what evidence was obtained based on those warrants being granted. At this point, we know that prosecutors can likely prove some trivial charges again KAJ, but that's it. They are no doubt working to see if they build a more meaningful case, but to do that, they need to tie him to a lot of circumstantial evidence (i.e., the non-prescription meds they found), which the warrants do not show they can do yet.

- Second, regarding Dr. S writing the prescription in KAJ's name, it sounds like Dr. S admitted doing this. If so, then what KAJ did in that regard, especially if the doctor told him to do it, is substantially mitigated. In other words, Prince didn't die because Dr. S prescribed some oxycodone for Prince and put in KAJ's name. He died because, somehow, Prince ended up getting fentanyl, presumably from a street source. I would expect that that is the issue investigators are focused on in respect to KAJ, as it could make him a homicide suspect (if, for example, he obtained the fentanyl, which I have no basis to say he did), as opposed to giving him some misdemeanor or similar exposure related to picking up a prescription.

[Edited 4/17/17 10:11am]

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

'On April 20, 2016, Johnson went to a Minnetonka Walgreens to pick up Prince's medication. He later told police that was the first time he had done anything like that for Prince.

A suitcase was discovered next to Prince's bed on April 21, 2016 (the day of Prince's death) and among the items inside, there were prescription pill bottles in Johnson's name -- none of which were the medication prescribed by Schulenberg.

One pill bottle, which was labeled Vitamin D, instead had the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride inside. Another, labeled Ondansetron, contained the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.

The date those pills were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was April 7. The prescribing doctor was listed as Schulenberg'.

.

So, if I am reading this correctly, KJ lied to the police?

I am curious therefore as to why authorities are not taking this further..?

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-833/ondansetron-hcl-oral/details

Ondanselron Hydrochloride used for cancer treatment/radiation treatment.

Just tears today

Laura, the brand name of this is Zofran. It is used for severe nausea, and CAN be used in the event of cancer. My son is prescribed this monthly due to stomach issues not related to C. In Prince's situation it was probably prescribed for the nausea due to withdrawl symptoms-just hoping to try to make you feel better, without jumping to conclusions.

Brian you make a good point: The specific drug that killed Prince -- fentanyl -- wasn't among the drugs prescribed under Kirk's name. The fentanyl came to him from another source (most likely via tainted black-market opioids).

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In other words, Prince had another, more dangerous, source of drugs (something black-market) in addition to the Kirk prescriptions.

BanishedBrian said:

laurarichardson said:

You need to shut the hell up. I know plenty people even in my own family that have been on drugs as well as alcohol issues. I also know when federal laws are being broken.

The minute Kirk picked up that Rx which he knew was not for him he broke the law and he was not helping Prince. I never enabled anyone that I knew I had a problem because it is wrong and I would not be able to live with myself if they died if I helped them get the stuff.

I am talking about the crack years so I know what the fuck I am talking about.

It is not okay for him to get off scott free and he should help the investigation even if he has to cut a deal not lie and hinder.

I see he has had time to pick up a paycheck from Paisley Park but not time to tell Prince and Dr. S that he was not going to be involved.

Two points I'd make here:

- The warrants make it pretty clear that KAJ is being investigated as a suspect. One of the warrants is for his cell records. The affiant makes it clear that investigators believe KAJ lied to them in his statements. As you say, statements in the warrants on their face would paint KAJ as criminally exposed. I would urge patience though, as we don't know what evidence was obtained based on those warrants being granted. At this point, we know that prosecutors can likely prove some trivial charges again KAJ, but that's it. They are no doubt working to see if they build a more meaningful case, but to do that, they need to tie him to a lot of circumstantial evidence (i.e., the non-prescription meds they found), which the warrants do not show they can do yet.

- Second, regarding Dr. S writing the prescription in KAJ's name, it sounds like Dr. S admitted doing this. If so, then what KAJ did in that regard, especially if the doctor told him to do it, is substantially mitigated. In other words, Prince didn't die because Dr. S prescribed some oxycodone for Prince and put in KAJ's name. He died because, somehow, Prince ended up getting fentanyl, presumably from a street source. I would expect that that is the issue investigators are focused on in respect to KAJ, as it could make him a homicide suspect, as opposed to giving him some misdemeanor or similar exposure related to picking up a prescription.

BanishedBrian said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not saying Prince was not addicted to these meds. I have never said that in fact it was never hidden from the very beginning that he was seeing Dr. S from withdrawals which I said was weird since he was so private and this infor was thrown out almost immediatly.

I am saying that a lot of things do not add for just pain med addictions.

Why was he taking them in the first place?

How long has he been taking them?

Why the sudden need to get off of them which is very dangerous?

How was even able to travel and work while going thru withdrawals?

Why was he seeing Dr. S when he had no background for addictions and withdrawals.

Why was doctor S continuing to prescirbe pain meds to someone who is suppose to be withdrawing and how come Dr. S has not been charged with the crime of writing an Rx for someone who did not need the Rx. Why is Dr. S off the hook?

Why are associates being evasive when we knew from the begining what he was seeing Dr. S for?

Does anyone realize what these pain meds can do to your organs? Why was Prince crying at the Jazz fest concert and talking about I got to go.?

How much withdrawal can you through for two years?

And what does his sister mean she knew two years ago? Why is Tidal saying he gave POA to someone ( not saying Tidal could not be telling a tell)? Why would every album have different terms in the WB deal some giving WB licensing rights forever?

What was going on with the black clothes?

A lot of questions.

I'll take a crack at these with my own views based on what we know:

- Over the course of a 30 year career of performing, Prince did a lot of damage to his body, and that damage cumulates over time, even when you stop doing the demaning stuff. It's similar to how NBA players often look at the same age - they are often in need of hip/knee replacements because of all the wear and tear. I think it's indisputable that, whether or not Prince ever had a hip replacement, he had a lot of pain from the cumulative effects of performing. The pain doesn't stop when you start taking it easy - it just sticks with you and gets worse with age as your body less flexible.

- It seems pretty obvious that, at some point, Prince began taking opiates in prescription form. When that began, and whether it was off and on or consistent, seems unclear at this point. But it seems pretty obvious that by the time of this death, it was something he was reliant on. I have a family member who takes different, but similarly addictive medicines to function daily (begrudgingly prescribed by doctors), and it's the nature of these meds that you build up resistance over time and become dependent.

- There are a lot of reasons you might want to get off them (protect your liver from long-term damage; just want to break out of the lethargic cycle it puts you in; progressive addiction where you start needing more dangerous levels, or resort to street drugs; etc.). In short, it's not a fun state to live in taking prescription meds on a permanent basis.

- In terms of the sudden need, it would seem like Prince's dependence had recently peaked, which is likely evidenced by the plane scare. I'm sure that incident made him and his inner circle concerned, and probably elevated his desire to do something. The brochure and KAJ's actions calling the treatment center are all consistent with that.

- In terms of working while in withdrawal... it's actually pretty normal. Prince just needed to be in form for short spurts of time. You can do that while hooked to meds.

- I think you're assuming that Dr. S is "off the hook," when he clearly is not. It just takes time to build a case. Given the fact that he admitted prescribing Prince medicine in KAJ's name, I think he's clearly under exposure, as that act alone is one that will likely have consequences for him. IMO the question at this point is his level of exposure (and what prosecutors can prove), not whether he has any.

- Re the medical reasons for Dr. S making that prescription... it's possible (and likely) that Prince and KAJ gave him selective facts when they visited him. That's quite normal for patients to do. Even if Dr. S knew Prince was in withdrawal, the oxycodone level he prescribed may have been a low enough dose to have been deemed safe/appropriate under the circumstances. In fact, we have no reason to believe otherwise, since that isn't what killed Prince.

- Why are associates being evasive? Because that's what people do at crime scenes (and in the aftermath), especially when there are aware of (and may have participated) in illegal conduct. I say this as someone who has worked both in a prosecutors' and public defenders' office... nothing about how the associates have behaved in the aftermath surprises me if the media narrative turns out to be true (i.e., Prince developed an opiate addiction that progressed and was enabled by his inner circle, eventually leading to OD).

- Re Tyka and Prince's actions... I never saw anything unusual. Prince was getting older. As you get older, you often get more introspective and your priorities change. He's been getting emotional in concert for 30 years. If he'd died in 1986 there'd be a bunch of people pointing to PR concerts and saying "why was he so emotional singing about the Ladder?!? He knew he was terminal!"

- The black clothes? Probably because he got to a point where he wanted to dress comfortably and chill. You could see he craved a normal life; that's why he stayed in MN all these years. The black clothes are easy to match and looked good with his new "embrace your age and natural beauty/hair" look.

I just don't see a lot of smoke here.

[Edited 4/17/17 9:59am]

Plus, perhaps that introspection we witnessed from 2014 onwards, with the mandalas, the budhha beads, the tunics and loose clothes, the third eye, the afro... all that came in line with wanting to tackle his manageable addiction and tolerance once and for all and that's why it happened now. He was trying to ween himself off alone and realizing he could not, he sought the doctor's help.

laurarichardson said:

BanishedBrian said:

laurarichardson said:

You need to shut the hell up. I know plenty people even in my own family that have been on drugs as well as alcohol issues. I also know when federal laws are being broken.

The minute Kirk picked up that Rx which he knew was not for him he broke the law and he was not helping Prince. I never enabled anyone that I knew I had a problem because it is wrong and I would not be able to live with myself if they died if I helped them get the stuff.

I am talking about the crack years so I know what the fuck I am talking about.

It is not okay for him to get off scott free and he should help the investigation even if he has to cut a deal not lie and hinder.

I see he has had time to pick up a paycheck from Paisley Park but not time to tell Prince and Dr. S that he was not going to be involved.

Two points I'd make here:

- The warrants make it pretty clear that KAJ is being investigated as a suspect. One of the warrants is for his cell records. The affiant makes it clear that investigators believe KAJ lied to them in his statements. As you say, statements in the warrants on their face would paint KAJ as criminally exposed. I would urge patience though, as we don't know what evidence was obtained based on those warrants being granted. At this point, we know that prosecutors can likely prove some trivial charges again KAJ, but that's it. They are no doubt working to see if they build a more meaningful case, but to do that, they need to tie him to a lot of circumstantial evidence (i.e., the non-prescription meds they found), which the warrants do not show they can do yet.

- Second, regarding Dr. S writing the prescription in KAJ's name, it sounds like Dr. S admitted doing this. If so, then what KAJ did in that regard, especially if the doctor told him to do it, is substantially mitigated. In other words, Prince didn't die because Dr. S prescribed some oxycodone for Prince and put in KAJ's name. He died because, somehow, Prince ended up getting fentanyl, presumably from a street source. I would expect that that is the issue investigators are focused on in respect to KAJ, as it could make him a homicide suspect (if, for example, he obtained the fentanyl, which I have no basis to say he did), as opposed to giving him some misdemeanor or similar exposure related to picking up a prescription.

[Edited 4/17/17 10:11am]

Great points

[Edited 4/17/17 10:32am]

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

He lied and Dr. S said he wrote those Rxs for Kirk to protect P's privacy.

So Prince may have needed these Rxs and the doc was doing the right thing but going about it the wrong manner. Or the doc was being paid to do it but the Dr. is still working at another clinic and if he could show their was a medical reason to prescribe he would be in the clear some what.

Not sure why Kirk lied he would have to know about April 7th because I doubt the pharmacy would have given Prince the Rxs if they were in Kirk's name. Someone had to sign for them.

What is ondansetron?

Ondansetron blocks the actions of chemicals in the body that can trigger nausea and vomiting.

Ondansetron is used to prevent nausea and vomiting that may be caused by surgery, cancer chemotherapy, or radiation treatment.

DAMN !

My heart is in my mouth...Cancer ?

Like I replied to Laura, the name brand is Zofran...it is for severe nausea. My son is prescribed this for stomach issues not having to do with that. My father is a pharmacist as well.

destinyc1 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Neither Kirk nor the Doctor will be charged with a crime.

If they were going to be charged it would have happened long ago.

I disagree with you on that. From reading the warrants, I think it's fairly likely that prosecutors could prove one or both of them committed a crime, but it would be a fairly minor crime. By bringing the case now, they would eliminate their ability to bring a more substantial case at a later date. In those circumstances, it would not be unusual for investigators to be very patient, even if there is a likelihood of some sort of prosecution at some point.

Dibblekins said:

babynoz said:

Yes it does matter because mislabeled pills means that he was not aware of what he was taking. It also matters because it could help the investigators trace which pill mill they came from.

I think you mis-read me. I agree - it is the mislabelled / bootleg pills which really matter and which need to be the continuing focus of the investigation.

No prob. I think your use of the words "no matter" threw me off.

precioux said:

Lovejunky said:

What is ondansetron?

Ondansetron blocks the actions of chemicals in the body that can trigger nausea and vomiting.

Ondansetron is used to prevent nausea and vomiting that may be caused by surgery, cancer chemotherapy, or radiation treatment.

DAMN !

My heart is in my mouth...Cancer ?

Like I replied to Laura, the name brand is Zofran...it is for severe nausea. My son is prescribed this for stomach issues not having to do with that. My father is a pharmacist as well.

Thank you for the clarification.

The problem is, what he died from was an accidental overdose from STREET DRUGS, not from prescription meds. The prescriptions didn't kill him, but the illegal drugs that he or someone obtained for him, did.

BanishedBrian said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Neither Kirk nor the Doctor will be charged with a crime.

If they were going to be charged it would have happened long ago.

I disagree with you on that. From reading the warrants, I think it's fairly likely that prosecutors could prove one or both of them committed a crime, but it would be a fairly minor crime. By bringing the case now, they would eliminate their ability to bring a more substantial case at a later date. In those circumstances, it would not be unusual for investigators to be very patient, even if there is a likelihood of some sort of prosecution at some point.

They are never going to find the source of the fentanyl.

The trail is so cold its freezing.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

BanishedBrian said:

I disagree with you on that. From reading the warrants, I think it's fairly likely that prosecutors could prove one or both of them committed a crime, but it would be a fairly minor crime. By bringing the case now, they would eliminate their ability to bring a more substantial case at a later date. In those circumstances, it would not be unusual for investigators to be very patient, even if there is a likelihood of some sort of prosecution at some point.

They are never going to find the source of the fentanyl.

The trail is so cold its freezing.

I tend to agree with you on that part, but there may be some different crimes they might be able to prove here with further evidence that go beyond Dr. S writing an oxycodone prescription in a name other than the patient (and KAJ going along). However, when it's all said and done, I would be surprised if they really are going to let that one slide in the end.

PennyPurple said:

The problem is, what he died from was an accidental overdose from STREET DRUGS, not from prescription meds. The prescriptions didn't kill him, but the illegal drugs that he or someone obtained for him, did.

Street drugs that Prince thought was prescription meds. Let's not make this look worse than it actually is.

precioux said:

Lovejunky said:

What is ondansetron?

Ondansetron blocks the actions of chemicals in the body that can trigger nausea and vomiting.

Ondansetron is used to prevent nausea and vomiting that may be caused by surgery, cancer chemotherapy, or radiation treatment.

DAMN !

My heart is in my mouth...Cancer ?

Like I replied to Laura, the name brand is Zofran...it is for severe nausea. My son is prescribed this for stomach issues not having to do with that. My father is a pharmacist as well.

If you read carefully ,it says ondansetron was on the label but NOT in the bottle

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

morningsong said: . [Edited 4/17/17 7:58am]

He could have had Rxs in the past. The following Rxs were written by Dr. S

Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.

Diazepam can be used as an anti-seizure drug and the did find this in his system.

Clonidine- Uses as blood pressure med and they found a blood pressure mointor in one of his bags but it can also be used for ADD

Hydroxyzine- anxiety

Pamoate - anxiety

Why did he need two meds for anxiety.

[Edited 4/17/17 8:10am]

CLoidine CAN be used for blood pressure, as well as migraines....9 times out of 10 it is used for severe nausea/vomiting like Zofran, which is probably why Prince was using it if he was going through withdrawls.

no matter what he thought the counterfeit drugs were, the point is, he didn't get them from a CVS or Walgreens. So again, he had ANOTHER source of drugs, not just Kirk or Dr. S.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

The problem is, what he died from was an accidental overdose from STREET DRUGS, not from prescription meds. The prescriptions didn't kill him, but the illegal drugs that he or someone obtained for him, did.

Street drugs that Prince thought was prescription meds. Let's not make this look worse than it actually is.

PennyPurple said:

The problem is, what he died from was an accidental overdose from STREET DRUGS, not from prescription meds. The prescriptions didn't kill him, but the illegal drugs that he or someone obtained for him, did.

Exactly. People are missing the point. And all across the country, dealers are facing third-degree murder charges for suppling drugs that lead to fatal overdoses (like Prince's).

rogifan said:

destinyc1 said:

The addiction part isn't surprising dwayne reported that 25 years ago.The meds in other peoples name celebs do it everyday.Pills put in other containers/labeled as something else thats how drug dealers do it.Pills all over the house yes,this is what you would expect in a persons house thats addicted.Take prince's name off the report and put bob smith its still the same except prince was a rich celeb.It all lines up like the others that have died from overdosing.BUT,usually when its a celeb the fans demand the truth and demand arrests be made.So this dr D or whomever the dealer was/is that will prob be the ONLY arrest we hear about i think.Its been a damn year

Yeah because Duane is a credible source.

I remember reading the article and saying wtf he is saying this because he was fired.Dwayne had his issues but,he did say it at the time.And so did other family members.After all those are the ones that know him....We tend to dismiss things we dislike or dont want to hear.I think the world learned that when janice d said bill cosby raped her.No one cared for janice so they dismissed it.My friends daughter died a month ago liz lorenza another fen death.Her looks changed she was depressed.We as a nation have got to get control of this.We are enablers of sorts.

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

The problem is, what he died from was an accidental overdose from STREET DRUGS, not from prescription meds. The prescriptions didn't kill him, but the illegal drugs that he or someone obtained for him, did.

Street drugs that Prince thought was prescription meds. Let's not make this look worse than it actually is.

Uuummmm I don't agree with that. They were in all sorts of mislabled bottles. If they came from a pharmacy they wouldn't be in an aleve bottle. I think Prince knew they were off the streets.