disch said:

babynoz said:

paulludvig said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

The cancer theory needs. To be laid to rest.

Agree. There's really nothing in the warrants to suggest he had cancer. Or any other terminal illnes for that matter.

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Then, WHY OH WHY are the toxicology reports going to remain sealed? Nothing to hide right?

And why doesn't anyone ask what "results" the doctor was going to drop off at Paisley Park. That keeps popping up yet there is no answer as to what test those results are from.

babynoz said:

206Michelle said:

Yes, I find this circumstance to be odd, also.

Not really. He could have simply been making a change to the setlist for the next show.

maybe but along with being found in the elevator, dying of pills which relates to lets go crazy it's all a bit too coincidental. I think he just took initiative and left when he wanted to. could be wrong i'll admit, i don't think any of us know.

babynoz said:

babynoz said:

disch said:

I don't know what we can know about his physical pain situation in 2016 based on him having surgery six years earlier. I'm not saying he didn't have physical pain, but we have literally no real information about that (and yes, I've read all the associates statements about this. Unless the associate was having direct, regular contact in the last several months of his life, I just don't know that they can shed a ton of light on what was going on at the very end).

If you have never dealt with chronic pain issues then be thankful but you can't know what it's like if it hasn't happened to you.

I have lower back pain daily from an injury I sustained in 2007. Last year this time I could barely get out of bed.

I'm really crestfallen at the way people are minimizing chronic pain sufferers legitimate challenges. There are times that I've sat on the bed and literally cried because I was so tired of being in pain, but afraid to take meds because I don't want to become dependent.

I am in some degree of pain every single day and have to decide every morning if I can get along without meds that day. Most days Excedrin suffices but I have percs for the worst days.

As I have already pointed out. Prince has scarring consistent with having a hip procedure done according to the ME, so I can't imagine what kind of proof you are looking for? I don't know what else to say except that there is even less basis to say that he was medicating for any other reason.

What are you getting at and on what basis do you present an alternative scenario???

i think it's hard to say, i can say i've known plenty of people firsthand who just use the excuse of a bad back or whatever to get out of work, to take pills, to not be responsible for anything. I've known them and a lot of them are either mentally screwed up or just lazy. Then, on the other hand, I've known people who I'm positive could not do anything without being loaded on stuff. and I asked a question last april 21, why do americans need this shit, people all over the world live in misery, why are the drug problems so pervasive with us? That's not to minimize pain, anyone who's had pain bad enough to wish for death has learned humility from it. but, people are nasty and judgemental creatures, you give any ammo, someone is going to run with it.

Spanky said:

PeteSilas said:

Anyone questioned for even one minute if there were pills found all over PP and the notion that Kirk is responsible for what happened to P, then why would someone who has had open access to PP for YEARS not have gone around and cleaned up all the pill evidence before the police arrived? He bought bad shit for P, planted it in pill bottles, and then just LEFT it all there so the cops would find it and look at him????

Sorry but nope, not buying that bs for one minute. If he was that devious, the evidence wouldn't have been left there

revolution75 said:
Prince would still be here if it wasn't for that one mislabeled pill with enough poison to surely kill him.

Well, counterfeit pills carry an inherent risk of something going wrong.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

i think it's hard to say, i can say i've known plenty of people firsthand who just use the excuse of a bad back or whatever to get out of work, to take pills, to not be responsible for anything. I've known them and a lot of them are either mentally screwed up or just lazy. Then, on the other hand, I've known people who I'm positive could not do anything without being loaded on stuff. and I asked a question last april 21, why do americans need this shit, people all over the world live in misery, why are the drug problems so pervasive with us? That's not to minimize pain, anyone who's had pain bad enough to wish for death has learned humility from it. but, people are nasty and judgemental creatures, you give any ammo, someone is going to run with it.

--So walk around in pain and be miserable. The thing is we are all going to get old and have aches and pain. Some people on this board not all are living in a fantasy world if they immune to having this happen to them. I have arthritis in my back I did sit back and plan for that fucking happen.

i'm aware of that, i've had pain before, i understand what it's like. I think just living with it like people have to do everywhere else and in times past is the only thing we can do sometimes. i think taking pain pills can be living in a "fantasy world" pain is a part of life and i think americans don't deal very well with it for whatever reason. Maybe because we think things are suppossed to be perfect like on tv or something. Fact is, all over the world and all throughout history, horrible pain is a price of living. Emotional pain because parents do terrible things to their children, and physical pain from age/injury not to mention just the randomness things that happen in life that none of us controls. I think a lot of our pain is just histrionics, pure hysteria, i've known a lot of people that have something wrong in their fucking brain and they project on their neck or whatever, it's like they know they are really fucked up but they can't handle it being them as a person so they convince themselves it's their back. Yes, I've known them. I know lots of foreigners too and they don't seem to have such a high incidence of that crap and neither have some of the older people I've known, or rather, they don't complain, they just keep right on pushing.

Mumio said:

Anyone questioned for even one minute if there were pills found all over PP and the notion that Kirk is responsible for what happened to P, then why would someone who has had open access to PP for YEARS not have gone around and cleaned up all the pill evidence before the police arrived? He bought bad shit for P, planted it in pill bottles, and then just LEFT it all there so the cops would find it and look at him????

Sorry but nope, not buying that bs for one minute. If he was that devious, the evidence wouldn't have been left there

i don't know if he did that but he could just be a fucking dummy too, no shortage of those you know.

206Michelle said:

Don't kill me, but what if those scripts the dr wrote for Kirk were really for Kirk and Prince was copping them from Kirk? That would mean that Kirk really had nothing to do with this.

PeteSilas said:

I'm sorry to hear about your pain. That sounds really tough.

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As for P, what I'm saying is what I said: We don't have facts, one way or the other, about the role that chronic pain played in his life at the end of his life. To me, having had previous surgery doesn't necessarily prove that he was incapacitated by chronic pain 6 years later. I mean, the purpose of surgery is to alleviate the pain (and I certainly know that surgery isn't always succesful in that; my point is, we don't have facts about what the outcome of his surgery was).

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That's not the same as saying chronic pain was not an issue for him, and that certainly doesn't minimize the affect that chronic pain has on many other people. That's basically the extent of what I'm getting at on this, and I've pretty extensively shared my other related thoughts in previous posts.

babynoz said:

disch said:

I don't know what we can know about his physical pain situation in 2016 based on him having surgery six years earlier. I'm not saying he didn't have physical pain, but we have literally no real information about that (and yes, I've read all the associates statements about this. Unless the associate was having direct, regular contact in the last several months of his life, I just don't know that they can shed a ton of light on what was going on at the very end).

If you have never dealt with chronic pain issues then be thankful but you can't know what it's like if it hasn't happened to you.

I have lower back pain daily from an injury I sustained in 2007. Last year this time I could barely get out of bed.

I'm really crestfallen at the way people are minimizing chronic pain sufferers legitimate challenges. There are times that I've sat on the bed and literally cried because I was so tired of being in pain, but afraid to take meds because I don't want to become dependent.

I am in some degree of pain every single day and have to decide every morning if I can get along without meds that day. Most days Excedrin suffices but I have percs for the worst days.

As I have already pointed out. Prince has scarring consistent with having a hip procedure done according to the ME, so I can't imagine what kind of proof you are looking for? I don't know what else to say except that there is even less basis to say that he was medicating for any other reason.

What are you getting at and on what basis do you present an alternative scenario???

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I'm a she.

laurarichardson said:

He has no basis for anything.

babynoz said:

PennyPurple said:

laytonian said:

moonsister said:

babynoz said:

If you have never dealt with chronic pain issues then be thankful but you can't know what it's like if it hasn't happened to you.

I have lower back pain daily from an injury I sustained in 2007. Last year this time I could barely get out of bed.

I'm really crestfallen at the way people are minimizing chronic pain sufferers legitimate challenges. There are times that I've sat on the bed and literally cried because I was so tired of being in pain, but afraid to take meds because I don't want to become dependent.

I am in some degree of pain every single day and have to decide every morning if I can get along without meds that day. Most days Excedrin suffices but I have percs for the worst days.

As I have already pointed out. Prince has scarring consistent with having a hip procedure done according to the ME, so I can't imagine what kind of proof you are looking for? I don't know what else to say except that there is even less basis to say that he was medicating for any other reason.

What are you getting at and on what basis do you present an alternative scenario???

Sorry to hear about your pain. Really.

Thank you.

rogifan said:

purplepoppy said:

Including the innocent who died from an accidental overdose of pills laced with fentanyl. Is that not sad enough?

I don't know what one has to do with the other. Lock Kirk up in jail if it makes you feel better. It isn't going to bring Prince back and it isn't going to stop the opioid crisis.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was agreeing with you really. Meant Prince as an innocent as defined - free from moral wrong, not corrupted.

I see Kirk as a "good soldier", Prince's 1st lieutenant and confidante of many years. He put his ass on the line letting scripts be filled in his name. He did it for his friend, right or wrong. A friend of mine OD'd accidentally by mixing drugs. She was 45 years old and not a known addict. Her man was sleeping beside her in bed when she drifted away. He woke up in the morning, she didn't. He had been doing drugs too but was never charged with anything. What for? It was a terrible accident.

Even with what we learned today I personally don't see any reason to put Kirk in jail at all.

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BillieBalloon said:

Neal Karlen, journalist and friend CONFIRMED Prince had hip surgery around 2010. The pain was real, there's no projection

So, in spite of what was said that Prince wasn't seeing any doctors, he apparently did so. Would you know if this surgery was done in the US? Why doesn't anyone think he may have been receiving health care outside of the US to maintain his privacy? After all, he had access to a plane and he did have the Turks/Caicos home. He could have very easily had a physician elsewhere. It's not uncommon for celebrities to have care provided in other countries.

Mumio said:

Anyone questioned for even one minute if there were pills found all over PP and the notion that Kirk is responsible for what happened to P, then why would someone who has had open access to PP for YEARS not have gone around and cleaned up all the pill evidence before the police arrived? He bought bad shit for P, planted it in pill bottles, and then just LEFT it all there so the cops would find it and look at him????

Sorry but nope, not buying that bs for one minute. If he was that devious, the evidence wouldn't have been left there

I'm not saying Kirk is or isn't responsible because I still don't know what the hell happened yet. But to answer your question of why would the rest of the pills have been left? I'd say for the plausibility of making it look like Prince was just another pill popping junkie super star that OD'd.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Mumio said:

Anyone questioned for even one minute if there were pills found all over PP and the notion that Kirk is responsible for what happened to P, then why would someone who has had open access to PP for YEARS not have gone around and cleaned up all the pill evidence before the police arrived? He bought bad shit for P, planted it in pill bottles, and then just LEFT it all there so the cops would find it and look at him????

Sorry but nope, not buying that bs for one minute. If he was that devious, the evidence wouldn't have been left there

I'm not saying Kirk is or isn't responsible because I still don't know what the hell happened yet. But to answer your question of why would the rest of the pills have been left? I'd say for the plausibility of making it look like Prince was just another pill popping junkie super star that OD'd.

Prince was a master manipulator, he created image his whole life that probably bore little resemblance to the truth. I could easily see him being calculated enough to make it look accidental. Easily.

PeteSilas said:

babynoz said:

If you have never dealt with chronic pain issues then be thankful but you can't know what it's like if it hasn't happened to you.

I have lower back pain daily from an injury I sustained in 2007. Last year this time I could barely get out of bed.

I'm really crestfallen at the way people are minimizing chronic pain sufferers legitimate challenges. There are times that I've sat on the bed and literally cried because I was so tired of being in pain, but afraid to take meds because I don't want to become dependent.

I am in some degree of pain every single day and have to decide every morning if I can get along without meds that day. Most days Excedrin suffices but I have percs for the worst days.

As I have already pointed out. Prince has scarring consistent with having a hip procedure done according to the ME, so I can't imagine what kind of proof you are looking for? I don't know what else to say except that there is even less basis to say that he was medicating for any other reason.

What are you getting at and on what basis do you present an alternative scenario???

i think it's hard to say, i can say i've known plenty of people firsthand who just use the excuse of a bad back or whatever to get out of work, to take pills, to not be responsible for anything. I've known them and a lot of them are either mentally screwed up or just lazy. Then, on the other hand, I've known people who I'm positive could not do anything without being loaded on stuff. and I asked a question last april 21, why do americans need this shit, people all over the world live in misery, why are the drug problems so pervasive with us? That's not to minimize pain, anyone who's had pain bad enough to wish for death has learned humility from it. but, people are nasty and judgemental creatures, you give any ammo, someone is going to run with it.

Philosophical questions aside, we are talking about Prince here, therefore I think that the bolded is most certainly irrelevant to this discussion.

The man literally WORKED himself to death!

Other than that, I'm not really in the mood for an essay on why Americans or anybody else is doing whatever......sorry bro.

PeteSilas said:

i don't know if he did that but he could just be a fucking dummy too, no shortage of those you know.

Well, I have to say I disagree. From all we've heard, Prince had him handling quite a bit at PP and he'd been relying on him for years. I don't think he is lacking in intelligence at all. But I do think he could make himself appear that way.

purplepoppy said:

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

Well, I have to say I disagree. From all we've heard, Prince had him handling quite a bit at PP and he'd been relying on him for years. I don't think he is lacking in intelligence at all. But I do think he could make himself appear that way.

I know there is an entire different thread dedicated to this ... but why did he go on TV for that interview?

I'll delete if the q shouldn't be here.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Mumio said:

Anyone questioned for even one minute if there were pills found all over PP and the notion that Kirk is responsible for what happened to P, then why would someone who has had open access to PP for YEARS not have gone around and cleaned up all the pill evidence before the police arrived? He bought bad shit for P, planted it in pill bottles, and then just LEFT it all there so the cops would find it and look at him????

Sorry but nope, not buying that bs for one minute. If he was that devious, the evidence wouldn't have been left there

I'm not saying Kirk is or isn't responsible because I still don't know what the hell happened yet. But to answer your question of why would the rest of the pills have been left? I'd say for the plausibility of making it look like Prince was just another pill popping junkie super star that OD'd.

Hi Hatrina, good to see you. Except that we are also being told that Prince went to great lengths to hide this addiction for many years. The person who packed for him said he'd never seen anything. Associates, etc...claim never to have seen anything. P leaving pills all over the place like that doesn't fit at all. Kirk would know that of course.

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