sonshine said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

They are never going to find the source of the fentanyl.

The trail is so cold its freezing.

This. I believe Kirk j worked with investigators as much as he could as they likely wanted to find the illegal source of the fentanyl more so than making a crime out of Kirk j and the doctors actions. But a lot of time has passed for that to be successful. The only reason something may come of this is to make an example which doesn't really change anything in the end. I hope they don't do that.

I believe KAJ's attorney has confirmed KAJ has not spoken to investigators since the day of the death, and before they issued a warrant for KAJ's phone records. (For the record, I have no problem with that, as it's what anyone should do facing criminal exposure.)

precioux said:

BanishedBrian said:

laurarichardson said:

tmo1965 said:

I wonder could this drug be given for nausea caused by drug withdrawal also? The April 27 search warrant states that witnesses told detectives that Prince was suffering from recent withdrawal symptoms.

Explain the doctor prescribing the oxy if he was helping with withdrawals. Explain the Diapham which is a generic for Vicodin. It can be used for seizures but why would you give that to a person trying to get off drugs.

He had a lot of medical issues going on either from the withdrawal or actual pain from something else

Remember he had $65k in medical expenses on his inventory sheet and had made two trips to the hospital back in 2014 and 2015 per Kirk. All I going to say if you see the pics of him in the fall of 2015 who looks puffy in the face and a few months later looks like death warmed over.

*Diazepam* is NOT generic for vicodin, it is generic for Xanax. And Xanax IS used to help calm those going through withdrawls, it is also prescribed in conjunction with pain pills most of the time. Look it up

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said:

The problem is, what he died from was an accidental overdose from STREET DRUGS, not from prescription meds. The prescriptions didn't kill him, but the illegal drugs that he or someone obtained for him, did.

Street drugs that Prince thought was prescription meds. Let's not make this look worse than it actually is.

To be clear, I think it's pretty obvious that Prince would have known he was getting prescription meds illegally. In other words, he knew they were coming from a source other than a pharmacy, but assumed (perhaps naively) that the street source was selling a prescription equivalent, rather than drugs laced with fantanyl.

laurarichardson said:

Reality Check, all you "Cancer" people. Your denial is showing ;د)

I'm telling you. Do yourselves a favor and make friends with reality while the gettin's good. You don't want to be left out of the sister's "two years to come to terms" E.T. forecast. Do you?

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

Explain the doctor prescribing the oxy if he was helping with withdrawals. Explain the Diapham which is a generic for Vicodin. It can be used for seizures but why would you give that to a person trying to get off drugs.

He had a lot of medical issues going on either from the withdrawal or actual pain from something else

Remember he had $65k in medical expenses on his inventory sheet and had made two trips to the hospital back in 2014 and 2015 per Kirk. All I going to say if you see the pics of him in the fall of 2015 who looks puffy in the face and a few months later looks like death warmed over.

*Diazepam* is NOT generic for vicodin, it is generic for Xanax. And Xanax IS used to help calm those going through withdrawls, it is also prescribed in conjunction with pain pills most of the time. Look it up

WRONG. The generic of Xanax is alprazolam. (I know - I have some at home.) As someone else noted, diazapam is the generic of Valium.

at you telling someone "look it up" when you're talking out of your own ass.

rogifan said:

If we assume the absolute worst about Kirk he wouldn't want Prince dead would he as Prince was his meal ticket. Unless a member of the family was involved and promised him inheritance $$?

I bet he used his access to percuring meds as a means of control over Prince. He was in charge of everything, inlcuding that. Wouldn't surprise me if Prince wasn't powerless after years of opioid use. He looked something terrible in Atlanta and Kirk knew the reason why.

K didn't even bother to grab up the pills and get them out the house.Cocky or stupid?Or did he figure it was so many hiding places that the investigators would find them anyway?

destinyc1 said:

K didn't even bother to grab up the pills and get them out the house.Cocky or stupid?Or did he figure it was so many hiding places that the investigators would find them anyway?

Or maybe someone else was controlling him by getting him drugs and not Kirk.

DD55 said:

destinyc1 said:

K didn't even bother to grab up the pills and get them out the house.Cocky or stupid?Or did he figure it was so many hiding places that the investigators would find them anyway?

Or maybe someone else was controlling him by getting him drugs and not Kirk.

But,who?K is the only one ever mentioned

destinyc1 said:

K didn't even bother to grab up the pills and get them out the house.Cocky or stupid?Or did he figure it was so many hiding places that the investigators would find them anyway?

Disturbing a potential crime scene like that would be a criminal offense. I don't think it's cocky or stupid if someone chooses to refrain from doing that.

BanishedBrian said:

destinyc1 said:

K didn't even bother to grab up the pills and get them out the house.Cocky or stupid?Or did he figure it was so many hiding places that the investigators would find them anyway?

Disturbing a potential crime scene like that would be a criminal offense. I don't think it's cocky or stupid if someone chooses to refrain from doing that.

And who were they calling during the 21st? The phone records may be interesting details.

We all know that.The point was did k feel that the pills with his name on would be ok being left there

destinyc1 said:

DD55 said:

Or maybe someone else was controlling him by getting him drugs and not Kirk.

But,who?K is the only one ever mentioned

They never once mentioned Kirk getting P illegal drugs.

Menes said:

rogifan said:

If we assume the absolute worst about Kirk he wouldn't want Prince dead would he as Prince was his meal ticket. Unless a member of the family was involved and promised him inheritance $$?

I bet he used his access to percuring meds as a means of control over Prince. He was in charge of everything, inlcuding that. Wouldn't surprise me if Prince wasn't powerless after years of opioid use. He looked something terrible in Atlanta and Kirk knew the reason why.

Nothing in KAJ's history with Prince over 30 years suggests anything of that sort.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

destinyc1 said:

But,who?K is the only one ever mentioned

They never once mentioned Kirk getting P illegal drugs.

Prescription drugs not illegal drugs at cvs

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rogifan said:

"

The Star Tribune reported last year that some of those pills later tested for synthetic fentanyl. A source familiar with the case said investigators have been working on the theory that Prince did not know the pills he ingested contained fentanyl.

According to the source, an autopsy revealed so much fentanyl in the singer’s system that the dosage would have been fatal for anyone."

Please stop repeating the claim that because you were alive during the "crack years" you some elevated expertise about the opioid crisis, or about Prince's condition. Anyone over the age of 40 remembers the "crack years" just as well as you do.

laurarichardson said:

I am talking about the crack years so I know what the fuck I am talking about.

Menes said:

80tomato said:

precioux said:

Like I replied to Laura, the name brand is Zofran...it is for severe nausea. My son is prescribed this for stomach issues not having to do with that. My father is a pharmacist as well.

If you read carefully ,it says ondansetron was on the label but NOT in the bottle

Yes - it says there was ondansetron - but it wasn't in the bottle bearing that label.

laytonian said:

BanishedBrian said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not saying Prince was not addicted to these meds. I have never said that in fact it was never hidden from the very beginning that he was seeing Dr. S from withdrawals which I said was weird since he was so private and this infor was thrown out almost immediatly.

I am saying that a lot of things do not add for just pain med addictions.

Why was he taking them in the first place?

How long has he been taking them?

Why the sudden need to get off of them which is very dangerous?

How was even able to travel and work while going thru withdrawals?

Why was he seeing Dr. S when he had no background for addictions and withdrawals.

Why was doctor S continuing to prescirbe pain meds to someone who is suppose to be withdrawing and how come Dr. S has not been charged with the crime of writing an Rx for someone who did not need the Rx. Why is Dr. S off the hook?

Why are associates being evasive when we knew from the begining what he was seeing Dr. S for?

Does anyone realize what these pain meds can do to your organs? Why was Prince crying at the Jazz fest concert and talking about I got to go.?

How much withdrawal can you through for two years?

And what does his sister mean she knew two years ago? Why is Tidal saying he gave POA to someone ( not saying Tidal could not be telling a tell)? Why would every album have different terms in the WB deal some giving WB licensing rights forever?

What was going on with the black clothes?

A lot of questions.

I'll take a crack at these with my own views based on what we know:

- Over the course of a 30 year career of performing, Prince did a lot of damage to his body, and that damage cumulates over time, even when you stop doing the demaning stuff. It's similar to how NBA players often look at the same age - they are often in need of hip/knee replacements because of all the wear and tear. I think it's indisputable that, whether or not Prince ever had a hip replacement, he had a lot of pain from the cumulative effects of performing. The pain doesn't stop when you start taking it easy - it just sticks with you and gets worse with age as your body less flexible.

- It seems pretty obvious that, at some point, Prince began taking opiates in prescription form. When that began, and whether it was off and on or consistent, seems unclear at this point. But it seems pretty obvious that by the time of this death, it was something he was reliant on. I have a family member who takes different, but similarly addictive medicines to function daily (begrudgingly prescribed by doctors), and it's the nature of these meds that you build up resistance over time and become dependent.

- There are a lot of reasons you might want to get off them (protect your liver from long-term damage; just want to break out of the lethargic cycle it puts you in; progressive addiction where you start needing more dangerous levels, or resort to street drugs; etc.). In short, it's not a fun state to live in taking prescription meds on a permanent basis.

- In terms of the sudden need, it would seem like Prince's dependence had recently peaked, which is likely evidenced by the plane scare. I'm sure that incident made him and his inner circle concerned, and probably elevated his desire to do something. The brochure and KAJ's actions calling the treatment center are all consistent with that.

- In terms of working while in withdrawal... it's actually pretty normal. Prince just needed to be in form for short spurts of time. You can do that while hooked to meds.

- I think you're assuming that Dr. S is "off the hook," when he clearly is not. It just takes time to build a case. Given the fact that he admitted prescribing Prince medicine in KAJ's name, I think he's clearly under exposure, as that act alone is one that will likely have consequences for him. IMO the question at this point is his level of exposure (and what prosecutors can prove), not whether he has any.

- Re the medical reasons for Dr. S making that prescription... it's possible (and likely) that Prince and KAJ gave him selective facts when they visited him. That's quite normal for patients to do. Even if Dr. S knew Prince was in withdrawal, the oxycodone level he prescribed may have been a low enough dose to have been deemed safe/appropriate under the circumstances. In fact, we have no reason to believe otherwise, since that isn't what killed Prince.

- Why are associates being evasive? Because that's what people do at crime scenes (and in the aftermath), especially when there are aware of (and may have participated) in illegal conduct. I say this as someone who has worked both in a prosecutors' and public defenders' office... nothing about how the associates have behaved in the aftermath surprises me if the media narrative turns out to be true (i.e., Prince developed an opiate addiction that progressed and was enabled by his inner circle, eventually leading to OD).

- Re Tyka and Prince's actions... I never saw anything unusual. Prince was getting older. As you get older, you often get more introspective and your priorities change. He's been getting emotional in concert for 30 years. If he'd died in 1986 there'd be a bunch of people pointing to PR concerts and saying "why was he so emotional singing about the Ladder?!? He knew he was terminal!"

- The black clothes? Probably because he got to a point where he wanted to dress comfortably and chill. You could see he craved a normal life; that's why he stayed in MN all these years. The black clothes are easy to match and looked good with his new "embrace your age and natural beauty/hair" look.

I just don't see a lot of smoke here.

[Edited 4/17/17 9:59am]

Over the course of a 30 year career of performing, Prince did a lot of damage to his body, and that damage cumulates over time, even when you stop doing the demaning stuff. It's similar to how NBA players often look at the same age - they are often in need of hip/knee replacements because of all the wear and tear. I think it's indisputable that, whether or not Prince ever had a hip replacement, he had a lot of pain from the cumulative effects of performing. The pain doesn't stop when you start taking it easy - it just sticks with you and gets worse with age as your body less flexible.

Never said none of this was not possible but it is overlooked by a lot of people.

- It seems pretty obvious that, at some point, Prince began taking opiates in prescription form. When that began, and whether it was off and on or consistent, seems unclear at this point. But it seems pretty obvious that by the time of this death, it was something he was reliant on. I have a family member who takes different, but similarly addictive medicines to function daily (begrudgingly prescribed by doctors), and it's the nature of these meds that you build up resistance over time and become dependent.

Obvious to you and I but not to a lot of other people.

- There are a lot of reasons you might want to get off them (protect your liver from long-term damage; just want to break out of the lethargic cycle it puts you in; progressive addiction where you start needing more dangerous levels, or resort to street drugs; etc.). In short, it's not a fun state to live in taking prescription meds on a permanent basis.

Could want to get off because they have already damaged your liver and or organs. He would have to stop taking them immediately.

- In terms of the sudden need, it would seem like Prince's dependence had recently peaked, which is likely evidenced by the plane scare. I'm sure that incident made him and his inner circle concerned, and probably elevated his desire to do something. The brochure and KAJ's actions calling the treatment center are all consistent with that.

Judging by the way he looked from January I do not believe the plane scare was the beginning of anything. Even the chefs said he started to refuse solid food in January.

- In terms of working while in withdrawal... it's actually pretty normal. Prince just needed to be in form for short spurts of time. You can do that while hooked to meds.

What about vomiting and constipation. I had an experience with this from taking too many percocets I can only imagine what it would be like in a withdrawal mode. I am sorry he was getting around good for someone who should have been spending a lot of time in the bathroom from withdrawing from pain meds outside of a rehab.

- I think you're assuming that Dr. S is "off the hook," when he clearly is not. It just takes time to build a case. Given the fact that he admitted prescribing Prince medicine in KAJ's name, I think he's clearly under exposure, as that act alone is one that will likely have consequences for him. IMO the question at this point is his level of exposure (and what prosecutors can prove), not whether he has any.

He admitted what he did nothing to prove and yet he is still practicing medicine at another clinic.

He either had some medical justification for doing what he did because I find it hard to believe someone else would even hire him with this over his head What he did violates Federal laws and he could lose his medical license.

I actually had a doctor who I really liked who had her license taken a way for overprescribing pain meds to patient with criminal charges being brought against her. What he did is not a joke it is very serious.

- Re the medical reasons for Dr. S making that prescription... it's possible (and likely) that Prince and KAJ gave him selective facts when they visited him. That's quite normal for patients to do. Even if Dr. S knew Prince was in withdrawal, the oxycodone level he prescribed may have been a low enough dose to have been deemed safe/appropriate under the circumstances. In fact, we have no reason to believe otherwise, since that isn't what killed Prince.

So they doctor that was treating him for withdrawals is writing him scripts for pain meds which we have no idea what the dosage was so that is not really relevant at this point. He also prescribed at least 3 different types of anti-anxiety meds which seems like a lot of anxiety and even thought this did not kill him he appears to have been over prescribing meds and working out of his area of expertise.

- Why are associates being evasive? Because that's what people do at crime scenes (and in the aftermath), especially when there are aware of (and may have participated) in illegal conduct. I say this as someone who has worked both in a prosecutors' and public defenders' office... nothing about how the associates have behaved in the aftermath surprises me if the media narrative turns out to be true (i.e., Prince developed an opiate addiction that progressed and was enabled by his inner circle, eventually leading to OD).

No I mean evasive about the use of drugs in the first place and not assisting the police by giving conflicting accounts. The whole we do not know the whole story business when I believe it may have been KJ that put out that he was seeing Dr. S for withdrawals because someone was running their mouth to TMZ and the tabloids. This narrative was out in the media immediately after he died like the same exact day. No reason to be evasive if he was really being treated legit and you only know about that part of it. What is the whole story we do not know?

- Re Tyka and Prince's actions... I never saw anything unusual. Prince was getting older. As you get older, you often get more introspective and your priorities change. He's been getting emotional in concert for 30 years. If he'd died in 1986 there'd be a bunch of people pointing to PR concerts and saying "why was he so emotional singing about the Ladder?!? He knew he was terminal!"

Jesus dude he was wearing black clothes all the time and not good looking clothes. His hair even for a fro was a hot ass mess, I have seen Prince in concert 10 times and watched numerous live shows since when was he ever fucking crying saying I got to go, I got to go. I tell you never. I do not see the emotionalism of a gospel song being the same as crying about having to go somewhere. I have never seen him cry doing the ladder and we only have one clip of him even performing the song.

He even bragged that he stopped crying after his dad threw him out and Mayte is complaining about his coldness and lack of emotionalism when their son died so all of sudden he is having a cry fest for no reason.

- The black clothes? Probably because he got to a point where he wanted to dress comfortably and chill. You could see he craved a normal life; that's why he stayed in MN all these years. The black clothes are easy to match and looked good with his new "embrace your age and natural beauty/hair" look.

Black clothes also mean grief, mourning and death it is very significant in the black community. I cannot see someone who did not even want his employees dressing down going this route for no reason.

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

Street drugs that Prince thought was prescription meds. Let's not make this look worse than it actually is.

Uuummmm I don't agree with that. They were in all sorts of mislabled bottles. If they came from a pharmacy they wouldn't be in an aleve bottle. I think Prince knew they were off the streets.

He knew that it had been obtained illegally, but he thought they were ligit meds.

[Edited 4/17/17 11:15am]

GoldenParachute said:

precioux said:

Like I replied to Laura, the name brand is Zofran...it is for severe nausea. My son is prescribed this for stomach issues not having to do with that. My father is a pharmacist as well.

Laura is starting rumors. Per usual.

I got the name from the warrant. I am not starting rumors. Go read it for yourself. It does not say

what it was prescribed for in the warrent.