Prince on April 21, 2016...what was going through his mind?

Reply #511 posted 03/29/17 7:03pm

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:
--They work for Graceland not the Nelson family or PRN estate or NPG LLC. Why would the Graceland not hire people already familiar with facilty.

How do you know they work for Graceland? Have you seen employment contracts? Quit pretending you have all the answers when you don't.

Because I have the ability to read. Per the court docs Paisley Park is being managed by Graceland Inc. not the Nelson family. The Nelson sibs have not been made heirs to the estate in fact they have a court date coming up in May were they are asking again to be made heirs. At this time they are not running anything. They are informed via meetings of what is going on with the estate by Comerica and I am sure the Graceland people provide a report as well. Since when do companies let outside people hire staff?

Sigh. As I said before there's no way Kirk and Trevor (and the chefs) are still involved with PP if the family wasn't ok with it. PP wouldn't be open to the public if the family didn't approve.

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Reply #512 posted 03/29/17 7:53pm

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muleFunk said:

People the JFK assassination is still an open case in Dallas.

This will remain open because they don't know where these meds came from.

With the DEA investigating they have checked mail order and prescriptions and found nothing. Finding no paper trail means that everyone that worked at PP is a suspect.

I am with ya Mulefunk.

Prince's case will remain an "active" investigation for years, or forever.

The investigation file will never be released.

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Reply #513 posted 03/29/17 7:54pm

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rogifan said:
Sigh. As I said before there's no way Kirk and Trevor (and the chefs) are still involved with PP if the family wasn't ok with it. PP wouldn't be open to the public if the family didn't approve.

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Reply #514 posted 03/29/17 7:55pm

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i always trust my instincts!

I've Often found-

where there's smoke there's fire.

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Reply #515 posted 03/29/17 9:56pm

fortuneandsere
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laurarichardson said:
fortuneandserendipity said:

You keep getting hung up over the word 'addiction' and you always think you're right...

You are the one that is hung on addiction. Not me. Oh and these pics you put up are really stupid. We all get it your are above these tired conversations yet you cannot stay away.

I try to see things from your point of view but it's really hard

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...

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Reply #516 posted 03/30/17 1:36am

paradise000

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rogifan said:

paradise000 said:

Seems like KJ was replaced as a drummer, don't know if it was only today or for the whole tour. Is this the same tour we're talking about?

This isn't the NPG group that is going on tour. Per Billboard, that group consists of:

Morris Hayes (keyboards), Andre Cymone (vocals), Kip Blackshire (vocals), Marva King (vocals), Tommy Barbarella (keyboards), Levi Seacer Jr (guitar), Kirk Johnson (Drums), Tony Mosley (guitar, vocals), Sonny Thompson (bassist) and Damon Dickson (dancer, vocals). Other members, including drummer Michael Bland and vocalist Shelby J will rotate in as needed and as their schedules permit.

Their first gig will be in London's Hyde Park.

Ah, thanks for answering, I wondered about that

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Reply #517 posted 03/30/17 4:39am

rogifan

paradise000 said:

rogifan said:

Ah, thanks for answering, I wondered about that

Yeah I think Shelby is a new add, perhaps Marva King too. Initially I had mixed feelings about this but the more I think about it the cooler I am with it it. It's another way to keep his legacy alive. And I think it's cool that so many of the people he worked with and brought together were able to maintain lasting friendships. That's one of his biggest legacies in my opinion.

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Reply #518 posted 03/30/17 5:07am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muleFunk said:

People the JFK assassination is still an open case in Dallas.

This will remain open because they don't know where these meds came from.

With the DEA investigating they have checked mail order and prescriptions and found nothing. Finding no paper trail means that everyone that worked at PP is a suspect.

I am with ya Mulefunk.

Prince's case will remain an "active" investigation for years, or forever.

The investigation file will never be released.

So you agree that Kirk and others who work at PP are suspects?

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Reply #519 posted 03/30/17 8:13am

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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I am with ya Mulefunk.

Prince's case will remain an "active" investigation for years, or forever.

The investigation file will never be released.

So you agree that Kirk and others who work at PP are suspects?

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

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Reply #520 posted 03/30/17 11:41am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

So you agree that Kirk and others who work at PP are suspects?

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

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Reply #521 posted 03/30/17 11:58am

precioux

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

So you agree that Kirk and others who work at PP are suspects?

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

1. As long as it is unsolved, it will more than likely remain open, especially being this is in reference to a world renowned icon

2. As long as it's open, the investigation file will not be released.

As you've stated, they only have what? One person on the case?

Another thing you've stated is when the investigation closes, the file will be released- possibly as early as 4/17? Where did you get that? I'm going from memory and what you've stated before

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Reply #522 posted 03/30/17 12:12pm

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precioux said:
laurarichardson said:

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

1. As long as it is unsolved, it will more than likely remain open, especially being this is in reference to a world renowned icon 2. As long as it's open, the investigation file will not be released. As you've stated, they only have what? One person on the case? Another thing you've stated is when the investigation closes, the file will be released- possibly as early as 4/17? Where did you get that? I'm going from memory and what you've stated before

Six months ago it was the media bombarding the Sheriff's office about the file. Apparently in Minnesota the public can have access to the police file after six months or if the file is closed.

The police department issues a press release saying that the case was on going and the file would not be made avalible. As another six months is approching they are going to have to make a decision on it. I am sure the Star Tribune will be making an inquiry. The next date it could be open to the public is April 17th. ( See the article below)

I see Prince as an important ICON in music but I know a lot of people just see another dead black man and I am extremly skeptical that this case will kept open and continuelly investigated.

http://www.fox9.com/news/213321412-story

CHASKA, Minn. (KMSP) - The search warrants and accompanying documents involved in the Prince death investigation will remain sealed until April 17, 2017. A court order filed Oct. 20 in Carver County extended the seal that was first requested just days after Prince’s death. That first order expired Monday.

Why the documents are sealed

According to the court order: “Both state and federal law enforcement agencies continue an active, multi-agency investigation into the death of Prince Rogers Nelson, most commonly referred to as Prince. There are reasonable grounds to believe that making this search warrant public could create a substantial risk of a search or a related search to become unsuccessful or severely hamper an ongoing investigation.”

The documents could be made public prior to April 17 in the event a criminal investigation is opened.

Still a very active investigation

The request filed in Carver County court listed several specific reasons to renew the search warrant seal:

“This is a very active homicide investigation regarding a high profile American celebrity, Prince Rogers Nelson, better known as Prince, who died of an opiate overdose.”

“Both the Carver County Sheriff and the United States Drug Enforcement Agency is actively investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of Prince. There are a number of potential witnesses who have yet to be interviewed. Information obtained as a result of this search warrant is not generally known to these potential witnesses or the public at large. This data is important ‘hold back’ information that cannot be released so as to protect the integrity of pending interviews and investigation. The data collected as part of this active and ongoing death investigation constitutes confidential data as classified by Minn. Stat. 13.82, Sub. 7 (criminal investigative data). In addition, law enforcement continues to seek records, documents and other data from across the United States.”

“Premature disclosure of data contained in this search warrant and the fruits of its search could cause potential suspects to flee; result in potential evidence being altered or destroyed; potentially provide an incentive for collusion of testimony between potential co-conspirators; give effective notice such that other suspects are on notice of a potential investigation, surveillance or search; may motivate witness tampering schemes; may compromise potential witness statements if media representatives interview witnesses before law enforcement investigators."

Prince Rogers Nelson, 57, died Thursday, April 21 of a fentanyl overdose at his Paisley Park estate in Chanhassen, Minnesota. He was last seen alive at 8 p.m. on Wednesday, April 20. He did not respond to calls that Thursday morning, which prompted his friends and staff to call in a welfare check around 9:30 a.m. on April 21. Prince was found unresponsive in an elevator at Paisley Park, according to the Carver County sheriff’s office. Deputies attempted CPR but efforts to revive him were unsuccessful.

Doctor identified in search warrant

A Minnesota doctor who treated Prince was identified in a search warrant filed May 6, 2016 in Hennepin County. The search warrant for Prince’s medical records was served at North Memorial Medical Center in Robbinsdale, Minn.

According to the document, obtained by the Los Angeles Times, Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg saw Prince on April 7 and April 20 – the day before he died. Investigators learned Dr. Schulenberg performed some tests on Prince and was dropping the results off at Paisley Park “when he appeared on the death scene.”

According to the warrant, Dr. Schulenberg told investigators he prescribed medications to Prince, and the prescriptions were to be filled at Walgreens.

Paisley Park searches

Paisley Park has been searched at least twice since Prince’s death. The estate has since been transformed into a museum honoring the life and music of Prince, with the doors opening to public tours in October.

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Reply #523 posted 03/30/17 12:19pm

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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

Because the police dont want to release the investigative file because it most likely contains

sensitve information on a high profile public figure.

They will continue to say it is an active investigation and never release the file.

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Reply #524 posted 03/30/17 12:25pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

Because the police dont want to release the investigative file because it most likely contains

sensitve information on a high profile public figure.

They will continue to say it is an active investigation and never release the file.

We will see on the 17th.

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Reply #525 posted 03/30/17 1:39pm

rogifan

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

Because the police dont want to release the investigative file because it most likely contains

sensitve information on a high profile public figure.

They will continue to say it is an active investigation and never release the file.

I'm skeptical anything will ever be released. Which is fine with me. I've always said unless someone is charged with a crime and going to jail I don't ever need to know details.

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Reply #526 posted 03/30/17 1:56pm

disch

I have no factual knowledge of this, but it seems plausible that whatever investigation of Prince's death is happening is part of the broader law-enforcement efforts around the opioid epidemic. Prince was one of hundreds of people in Minnesota to die of opioid overdose last year (many from illegally acquired opioids), and one of 50k+ in the nation. It's possble law enforcement aren't tunnel-visioned on any one of these cases, but are focusing resources on the bigger picture. I mean, if Prince did use illegal/counterfeit pills, surely whoever supplied him (and i mean up the whole distro chain) supplied many other people too.

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Reply #527 posted 03/30/17 6:02pm

phatphuk

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

So you agree that Kirk and others who work at PP are suspects?

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

Because if Prince's death is indeed being treated as a "murder" case, then like in most U.S. states, there is no statute of limitation on "murder" in MN.

“Sometimes People Don't Want To Hear The Truth Because They Don't Want Their Illusions Destroyed” — Friedrich Nietzsche

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Reply #528 posted 03/30/17 6:41pm

DD55

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

muleFunk said:

People the JFK assassination is still an open case in Dallas.

This will remain open because they don't know where these meds came from.

With the DEA investigating they have checked mail order and prescriptions and found nothing. Finding no paper trail means that everyone that worked at PP is a suspect.

I am with ya Mulefunk.

Prince's case will remain an "active" investigation for years, or forever.

The investigation file will never be released.

Didn’t the Warren Commission issue a full report on the Kennedy Assassination with findings which was released 30 years later? I think you can access the full report at the National Archives, probably online. Please, someone correct me if I’m wrong.

On another semi related note, I was in 3rd grade in 1963, the school principal told all classes go home from school (Inner city neighborhood where we all walked to and from school). Remember P’s song line ‘have you ever seen your daddy cry?’ well that day every citizen in the nation was crying, including my father. And after the song's release, almost every time I heard P’s song throughout the years I think/thought of that awful day in November, even to this day. A song keeps these memories alive. Funny how selective events stick with you for years as vivid as the day they happened.

Sorry to stray so far off topic, mods clip if you feel necessary.

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Reply #529 posted 03/30/17 7:25pm

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DD55 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I am with ya Mulefunk.

Prince's case will remain an "active" investigation for years, or forever.

The investigation file will never be released.

Didn’t the Warren Commission issue a full report on the Kennedy Assassination with findings which was released 30 years later? I think you can access the full report at the National Archives, probably online. Please, someone correct me if I’m wrong.

On another semi related note, I was in 3rd grade in 1963, the school principal told all classes go home from school (Inner city neighborhood where we all walked to and from school). Remember P’s song line ‘have you ever seen your daddy cry?’ well that day every citizen in the nation was crying, including my father. And after the song's release, almost every time I heard P’s song throughout the years I think/thought of that awful day in November, even to this day. A song keeps these memories alive. Funny how selective events stick with you for years as vivid as the day they happened.

Sorry to stray so far off topic, mods clip if you feel necessary.

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The JFK Files were opened in 1994-96 under the Assassination Records Review Board however there are about 1 million pages that were kept from the board.

There was a question about what I said about everyone being a suspect.

As long as they cannot find the origin of those pills anyone who was around him becomes a suspect.

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Reply #530 posted 03/30/17 7:40pm

phatphuk said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

So you agree that Kirk and others who work at PP are suspects?

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

Because if Prince's death is indeed being treated as a "murder" case, then like in most U.S. states, there is no statute of limitation on "murder" in MN.

--Murder cases are closed as unsolved but can be reopened as any case can.

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Reply #531 posted 03/30/17 7:43pm

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--I get an e-mail from the Star Tribune and I have yet to hear if a rash of people dying in the Minn area from mislabled pills. Also how many other cases do you think have been solved? Do you think law enforcement normally spends this much time on o.d.cases.

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Reply #532 posted 03/30/17 7:48pm

oliviacamron

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muleFunk said:

People the JFK assassination is still an open case in Dallas.

This will remain open because they don't know where these meds came from.

With the DEA investigating they have checked mail order and prescriptions and found nothing. Finding no paper trail means that everyone that worked at PP is a suspect.

If you tell fans to boycott the richest man in Europe, who might be a cold blooded Russian killer as well as being the owner of wb music, what are the chances you will not be killed?

I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.

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Reply #533 posted 03/30/17 9:20pm

phatphuk

laurarichardson said:

phatphuk said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

So you agree that Kirk and others who work at PP are suspects?

No, I dont agree everyone that works at PP are suspects.

I agree that the investigation file will remain open as an active investigation.

Why do you think the case will be kept open forever? What would be the purpose of that?

Police departments want to close cases not keep them open and the Carver County Sheriff already said they only had one person working the case. It is obviously not a priority so why keep it open?

Because if Prince's death is indeed being treated as a "murder" case, then like in most U.S. states, there is no statute of limitation on "murder" in MN.

--Murder cases are closed as unsolved but can be reopened as any case can.

Hmmmm. Is that right?

I think you'll find actually, that an as-yet-unsolved "murder" in MN would not be considered "offically closed" in the legal sense. I would expect that it would instead be filed as a "cold case".

I would bet money, that filing a case as "closed" in MN would mean that the D.A. has officially thrown in the towel and all concerned are resigned to the fact that no further attempt to try to solve it will ever be undertaken.

Case in point — The D.B. Cooper case. Even though it was not a murder case, it remained open as an unsolved cold case for almost half a century.

It wasn't officialy declared a closed case by the F.B.I. until 2015-16. Yeah if any new, actionable leads ever materialize, it would of course be "reopened".

“Sometimes People Don't Want To Hear The Truth Because They Don't Want Their Illusions Destroyed” — Friedrich Nietzsche

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Reply #534 posted 03/30/17 9:27pm

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Phatty, you have been missing from the org for several months.

Did you just get released from jail?

jester

phatphuk said:

Hmmmm. Is that right?

I think you'll find actually, that an as-yet-unsolved "murder" in MN would not be considered "offically closed" in the legal sense. I would expect that it would instead be filed as a "cold case".

I would bet money, that filing a case as "closed" in MN would mean that the D.A. has officially thrown in the towel and all concerned are resigned to the fact that no further attempt to try to solve it will ever be undertaken.

Case in point — The D.B. Cooper case. Even though it was not a murder case, it remained open as an unsolved cold case for almost half a century.

It wasn't officialy declared a closed case by the F.B.I. until 2015-16. Yeah if any new, actionable leads ever materialize, it would of course be "reopened".

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Reply #535 posted 03/30/17 9:56pm

phatphuk

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Phatty, you have been missing from the org for several months.

Did you just get released from jail?

phatphuk said:

Hmmmm. Is that right?

I think you'll find actually, that an as-yet-unsolved "murder" in MN would not be considered "offically closed" in the legal sense. I would expect that it would instead be filed as a "cold case".

I would bet money, that filing a case as "closed" in MN would mean that the D.A. has officially thrown in the towel and all concerned are resigned to the fact that no further attempt to try to solve it will ever be undertaken.

Case in point — The D.B. Cooper case. Even though it was not a murder case, it remained open as an unsolved cold case for almost half a century.

It wasn't officialy declared a closed case by the F.B.I. until 2015-16. Yeah if any new, actionable leads ever materialize, it would of course be "reopened".

Thanks for asking ISaidLifeIsJustAGame thumbs up!

Nah. It was just that I was spending so much time here in Princedom, that my eyeballs started turning all purple ;د)

Now that I've recovered my eyesight, I'm back in the Prince b'nezz.

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Reply #536 posted 03/30/17 10:01pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Phatty, you have been missing from the org for several months.

Did you just get released from jail?

lol lol

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod

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Reply #537 posted 03/30/17 11:02pm

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:
disch said:

I have no factual knowledge of this, but it seems plausible that whatever investigation of Prince's death is happening is part of the broader law-enforcement efforts around the opioid epidemic. Prince was one of hundreds of people in Minnesota to die of opioid overdose last year (many from illegally acquired opioids), and one of 50k+ in the nation. It's possble law enforcement aren't tunnel-visioned on any one of these cases, but are focusing resources on the bigger picture. I mean, if Prince did use illegal/counterfeit pills, surely whoever supplied him (and i mean up the whole distro chain) supplied many other people too.

--I get an e-mail from the Star Tribune and I have yet to hear if a rash of people dying in the Minn area from mislabled pills. Also how many other cases do you think have been solved? Do you think law enforcement normally spends this much time on o.d.cases.

someone was on here a few months ago claiming that there was a lot of fentanyl pills that came up from mexico, they sounded like they'd studied the problem but i don't know if they were full of shit or not.

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Reply #538 posted 03/30/17 11:48pm

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There was something on our local news (mpls) tonight about a bust that yielded heroin and fentanyl and they believe dealers are ordering it online from China. I was only half listening but I think I also heard there were another five deaths recently in the twin cities area due to fentanyl overdoses. Last week there was a bust in a nearby city that yielded fentanyl and heroin as well. Authorities say no matter how much they preach about the danger of fentanyl it doesn't detract users. They want it and the dealers are giving them what they want.

It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN

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Reply #539 posted 03/31/17 6:28am

Mkilpatrick74

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

MMJas said:

jayseajay said:

Why on earth would there be drug binges? People with maintanence addictions don't necessarily go on binges...they take what they need to keep things going and then get on with it. They don't take so much that they get fucked up and fall down on stage, they take what they need to be able to do what they want to be able to do...and in all likelihood, for most of the time, Prince was taking it for exactly that purpose, to keep going, through whatever physical and possibly also emotional pain he was dealing with. It's still an addiction, in that he had to take it to be able to carry on - as I was trying to say, not all addictions conform to the stereotype of an addiction. And no one is suggesting he used Vicodin for 30 years straight, or that it's likely he had a very long term addicition (although there is some evidence that he used it in patches previously, and had likely given up until the last period began)...but how long is likely something we will never know. This idea that people think he was 'an out of control pill head'... where is it coming from? As Sonshine suggested above, in this whole horrible time, the harshest language I have heard to describe it has come from you...when you are trying to describe what he was not, or what people mistakenly think he was. But people I know who don't care that much but enough to have found out the general story seem to think 1. He took pain pills for pain caused from performance injuries 2. At some point he got addicted (possibly quite late on) and 3. At some point it got out of control (possibly really late on) insofar as by the end he was clearly making decisions which weren't safe....And that might be close to the whole story as far as we will ever understand it. I haven't heard anyone call him a 'junkie' or a 'druggie' or wotnot...and I know you want to defend his honor and his dignity, we all do...but I don't think it's in danger unless we don't allow that people can have addictions and still be good decent people.

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I agree with the bolded statement. Many people have maintenance addictions. They don't overdo it, they just take what they need to perform well in whatever job they do. And this can go on for years and years.
I have said this many months ago: the P&M was most likely to reduce expenses but also to allow him some privacy because his addiction was getting out of hand as of late, either because he became seriously ill as a result of it or because he began to need stronger medication/dosage and it was no longer as manageable as before. And in true Prince fashion he was keeping it all to himself, not asking for help, just pretending everything was good. That public appearance at the PP party right after the plane incident was his typical MO (see Oprah's show after the death of his child).
He could have had come to the conclusion that something was not right in the later months, hence the doctor appointments, the complaining about stomach pain, etc. Perhaps his tolerance to the meds was changing, therefore the need for stronger stuff. And maybe there was no way a doctor would have prescribed the quantity that he had become accostumed to and Prince resorted to illegal stuff knowing no doctor would have given him what he needed. In short, he was self medicating, perhaps even from the very start. And if you go by Mayte's words, he was taking other people's medication too, a clear sign of self medication. Being the control freak that he was, he probably feared that word would get out about his need of anxiety/insomnia/joint pain or whatever medication if he had his own prescriptions.

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1. My thoughts on his "illness" as well, hence the family not wanting to disclose what the "illness" was...as some think it could have been cancer, so why not just reveal that? If his organs shut down bc of long term use..I can see where this would be possible..which leads to .

2. If P thought something was "going wrong" , i.e. the damage done to his organs as a result of long term use, no, he doesn't need a Dr. to run tests to tell him he is on drugs, but rather, possibly what the extent of the damage has been done as a result.

3. Yes, if you take Mayte's words, he was self medicating as well by using others Rx, as documented in the AP article stating that an Rx was found in somone else's name for 10 pills of oxycodone.

I think it would be good to re-read the AP article, I know I forgot alot of the details in it. It not oly states that he had 2 dozen "Watson 385" mislabeled pills in one Aleeve bottle (the actual Watson 385 was discontinued in 2012), and in another aspirin bottle an excess of 60 counterfeit tablets. Also,"Prince had many of these pills with him on April 15" in Moline

article below:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6ea0a330a6fa442990

And before anyone "jumps the gun" on this article being told by "sources", realize this is the same story that has been vetted as "true" because it is from a reliable source (AP) as well as the fact that some here have used this exact story to repeat ad nauseum that "tests show before P's death, Fentanyl was not in his system, therefore he was not a long time user of the drug".

--Well we are not going to be able to take her word for anything because she never saw him use drugs remember. As far as his family the investigation by the police had not concluded so I doubt they can say anything or should say anything. I know his cousin Charles has started promoting the hashtag JusticeForPrince and from his Facebook page is upset about recent lies. The family has also brought in a attorney who specializes in wrongful death suits so we shall see. The additional drugs in Paisley Park may not mean anything if they did not find them in his system we just do not have the full report so we will never know if he was taking OxyContin which I find hard to believe since it had been known to put people on cloud nine as it is given to terminal patients.
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Just a little perspective on how dependency works....ive had now 12 spine surgeries and am in debilitating pain every day. Thank God for ny pain mgt dr because without my meds, i cannot function. I literally cannot walk. When i take my meds i am able to live a pretty normal life. People would never ever know i take the kinds of meds i do. I take time released morhine with oxy (30mg) for breakthru pain. That is some strong meds. Lol. But ive been on some sort of pain meds since 2007. They eventually stop working bc your body becomes tolerant. Then u have to increase. Its a cycle. Never ending. If u met me you wouldnnt have q xlue i am on those meds. Im just like any other normal person. The perocet destoys your organs and it dont take lomg. One dr had me on a high dose post surgery one time and in a matter of 6 weeks my kidneys almost were failing. My mother is in stage 3 kidney failure bc of lomg term exposure to the tylenol in lorotab bc of her chronic paon. So it happens when u do not even suspspect it.

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